Honestly, what could have changed Carver?
I was just thinking about what was said about Carver in one of those episodes. Somebody, I cannot recall right now, said that Carver might've been once an okay guy. If that were even remotely true, what do you think set him off to become a heartless maniac?
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Yeah, I think he was a nice guy once but some people break easier than others or he went through something really bad, I think it was probably the deaths of people he knew that drove him to being Governor 2.0
Cause he realized, or thought he realized, he needed a do what has to be done mentality, and he just took it to the extreme.
I think Carver had good intentions initially but he turned into a controlling dictator (Governor?) kind of guy when he started enforcing all his rules and how he had tocut out the weak for the strong to survive That's where he crossed the line.
It was Bonnie who said that Carver wasn't always so horrible to his people. It's when they were back at Carver's camp. Jane also says in the finale that he was probably a good guy at one point.
It was discussed a little bit in a Playing Dead interview. Carver was probably a decent guy at the beginning of everything, but it went downhill when the cruelty of the world got to him. The stress and paranoia of having to survive and protect yourself got to him, and those kind of emotions overtook him and influenced his decisions. The cruel choices he continually made shaped him into something of a dictator.
He's probably seen a lot since the outbreak, and being a leader of a large community doesn't help that. Carver, wanting to protect his people probably drove him to how he is today, and only cares about his community and not others. Also, when Rebecca ran from his camp, with his possible unborn child probably drove him mad.
"Probably had a job, a nice pretty wife, then he realized he could cave a kid's face in and sleep at night."
It was Jane who said that.
And...I´m not sure I believe Carver was ever "nice" but he probably wasn´t a psycho back then. Probably when shit started happening he snapped.
Yup. He did it once and realised it was like "he pulled up a weed or something". Done deal.
Not how the quote went but close .I believe it was along the lines of "realized he could cave a kids face in and sleep at night"
Let's see.
You live in the ZA where every minute is filled with the risk of dying
Your friends and family are all dead
I think that made him that way
Yeah I know, tried to remember off the top of my head... :P
Maybe his wife and child died, that's why he's so deadtset on finding Rebecca and the cabin group. And to make everyone "strong" so they don't die.
Honestly, I don't think there's anything sympathetic to it.
He ticked pretty much every box in the sociopath criteria. And apparently, he was an engineer or something pre-apocalypse. I think he was just always that way deep down even then, but couldn't really practice it as a simple labourer. When power fell into his lap, that part of him slowly took over.
Power corrupts, as they say.
His ego. Power. His line to Rebecca... "I'll put a bullet in you and that baby, before I let you leave again with my child," pretty much summed up Carver to me.
Or he just lost his family & friends, and eventually his humanity? He became a leader who does what ever it takes to ensure that the strongest and most capable people survive.
Carver was always a screwed up sadist.
An apocalypse just gave him his opportunity to let it all out.
Jane said he was probably a good guy while comparing him to Kenny (If my memory is accurate. I could be wrong). Can people be pushed to be violent? Sure but he seemed to relish it. He tossed a guy off of a roof for nothing, and didn't show the slightest guilt. Pretty sure in life he was a closet psycho, and the situation allowed someone like him to thrive.
His community wouldn't pick the berries on time :^)
Wasn't the governor(comic) decent at one point? so carver wouldn't be a surprise
My guess is that it's a "power corrupts" type of dealio. He wanted to help folks but over time realized that the power their trust in him gave him made him able to make the community more.. "efficient..?" by removing the weaker links.
At some point he must have steered into selfishness too, seeing how he wasted a whole lot of resources on bringing back Rebecca and Carlos simply because he wanted his baby. Honestly when I realized that, all his "advice" lost meaning to me.
Not every villain has some sympathetic motivation or backstory.
Some are just enormous arseholes.
I'm sure he started out as a nice guy. Offering supplies and shelter.. But then he let the idea of having the perfect society get to him.
What doesn't make sense though, is why does he take EVERYONE? He literally just needs Rebecca for the baby.
Rebecca could have played a role in it, he could've become aggressive because Alvin was winning her over.
Luke could have played a role in it, he could've become aggressive because Luke kept trying to take over his community.
People can break from the smallest things.
'Cause he believes in strength in numbers and the second chance for everybody.
He meant "bullet of love." He's obviously the nicest character ever.
DUUUUH! GAAWWWD!
He undoubtedly saw a lot of bad things happen, and as a leader he was probably faced with making unpleasant decisions. That could have chipped away at his humanity, nice people have been known to commit warcrimes for example.
Well the game doesnt give enough information about this, so we can only speculate.
I read that in Randy Marsh's voice. I don't know why.
Nothing. Nothing could change Carver. He was to far gone.
He really had nobody he cared about that we know of, so we can assume they are all dead. Now, all he is focused on is leading in the direction he thinks is correct. Nothing can convince him otherwise, because he thought all the group members escaping were going to die without his help (and in a small sense he was right).
He "cared" about rasing the kid properly, if it was his.
Did we ever get a full picture of what happened with Carver and Rebecca and how that played out?
Carver strikes me as a guy who in his mundane civilian live he was the sort who was always being ordered what to do, and perhaps throw in some hostile domestic issues at home then bingo.. there is your potent and dangerous cocktail. A man released from futility realises he has the world at his knees to be shaped and moulded as he see's fit, He probably fantasises engineering a world of strong capable people and not weaklings. He is nothing but a pure calculative psychopath.
I don't know if a man like you describe could have become the leader of that group. You've got to remember that Carver had to get where he was and he needed the support of everyone there to do it. I think he had to have been a good, strong leader who people believed in at one point. Somebody would have punched his lights out or put a bullet in his head right at the start if he had always been so crazy.
So I think it must have been a slow transition and people began realising it at different times, hitting their own breaking point. Luke's group got out early. Bonnie realised it later. Others would have hit their breaking point eventually. Carver wasn't going to last and I suspect what people write here about the power corrupting is probably the biggest factor.
Although I'd like to know more about what happened with Rebecca. That does seem to have been a factor.
I was thinking Napoleon Dynamite
GAAAWWWWD! FREEKEN IDIOT!
The only thing that can cause such nihilism is either an insurmountable loss or just a general imbalance of mental health/personality problems. In Carver's case, I'd bet on both.
I never saw Carver as a heartless maniac, i saw him as a guy who had a bad temper, so if your smart you won't piss him off.
No one knows the truth but I think some people's true traits and personality would evolve into something rather grotesque and vile in such a transition of reality and you don't necessarily have to of been a strong leader before to become one now. Carver probably witnessed alot of weakness during his time before the apocalyspe and he knew what was required of him and others to flourish in this new harsh world. Eventually his leadership qualities emerged and he would become this ruthless but efficient leader.
I had also thought about that maybe he built the community with good intentions, but he lost someone that he loved or was betrayed by someone close to him, i wish they would have had told more about his story on S2
A nice cup of coffee.
Don't know what changed him but a crow bar to the face fixed him.