I see what you mean. But even though it was difficult, by telling your brother the truth, you saved him a lot more potential pain if he continued to think he had a chance with that girl. Sometimes it would be nice to spare someone's feelings, but by being honest, it's more like ripping a band-aid off as opposed to constant pain. Get it all out in the open before it accumulates y'know?
You make a good point.
Sometimes though, I have to wonder about which is worse, being brutally honest, or a kind liar.
For instance, one t… moreime my cousin; who was 14 at the time, had this major crush on this girl at school.
I mean he was in a real funk over her!
Anyway, I happened to know this girl, she was 16.
And one day we were just talking and I brought up that my cousin had a crush on her.
And when she started talking about it, it was obvious that she didn't care a thing about him, and she was just toying with him.
I felt very bad for him, and dreaded the thought of telling him.
But I knew it was the right thing to do.
When I told him, I tried to be as kind as I could about it, but he was still devastated.
It took him quite a while to get over it, but it was a life lesson he needed to learn.
And sometimes I wish there was a way I could have spared him that pain.
The point is, even though being honest with others is important, it doesn't always mean it's easy, especially if it's with ones you care for.
How so? I am saying that what they're doing, in my honest opinion, isn't natural. I was raised to believe that, and I still do. I then say that I hope one day they realize this and gain the strength to overcome it. I don't claim to have never done anything wrong, or aren't doing anything wrong currently etc. I know I'm not perfect, far from it. The difference is that I am not denying the things that I'm doing aren't beyond my control, and I'm trying to fix them. Being in denial, or not being aware of a problem is pretty dangerous to a person's peace of mind, and I believe that acknowledging it is the first step to overcoming it. However, I can't force them to change, and I don't desire to force them to, because they have the right to be in control of their life and decisions. Nor will I treat someone differently just because I disagree with their sexual lifestyle, for I don't believe a sexual preference defines a person. We're both human beings, so we're equals. You can disagree with the choices someone is making and still love them. This is my personal opinion.
But what good does it really do to keep talking about this? Does it promote peace? No.
I would assume for the same reasons you are still arguing your points more than a week after this topic of discussion was started. Controversial topics tend to lead to never ending discussion, which is all I was really trying to say.
The way I feel about it, if someone is homosexual, don't advertise it, like with parades and things like that. We straight people don't need to resort to such measures. So if homosexuality is so natural, than why do homosexuals seem to want to flaunt it in everyone's face? To me, it reminds of something a rebellious teenager would do.
I don't believe it's them flaunting just to flaunt (though perhaps in some cases this is the case). I would imagine the parades and whatnot are all part of their cause for what they consider to be equality.
But what good does it really do to keep talking about this?
Does it promote peace?
No.
The way I feel about it, if someone is homosexua… morel, don't advertise it, like with parades and things like that.
We straight people don't need to resort to such measures.
So if homosexuality is so natural, than why do homosexuals seem to want to flaunt it in everyone's face?
To me, it reminds of something a rebellious teenager would do.
I see what you're saying.
Even though my cousin was hurt, it was still a lesson he needed to learn.
StIll, telling a kid that this girl he likes is just using him is never easy.
Thank you for your kind advice.
I see what you mean. But even though it was difficult, by telling your brother the truth, you saved him a lot more potential pain if he cont… moreinued to think he had a chance with that girl. Sometimes it would be nice to spare someone's feelings, but by being honest, it's more like ripping a band-aid off as opposed to constant pain. Get it all out in the open before it accumulates y'know?
Are you serious Flog? I have not once said that homosexuality is immoral, only that it isn't a natural inclination and that I don't support it. Refresh your memory, go back and look at the thread where the argument took place and you'll see that there is no evidence of me ever saying that, all you'll find is you claiming that I did and me defending myself. You are putting words in my mouth and making false accusations again. Don't bring my name into a conversation if you're just going to twist a past argument that you started btw, and spread lies to fit your silly "I'm always the victim" agenda.
Tinni told me that homosexuality is immoral, numerous people on this thread have expressed that sentiment...enough people for me to make one… more thread about, I think.
No, I'm not forcing anyone to think a different way. But by debating we can achieve a society in which less harm is done.
Bullying? Really? Do you think it'd be bullying to argue with a racist about why they think black people are inferior? How would that be different, when homosexuality and race aren't a choice, as shown by science?
Yes, I'm not pretending that I'm being hunted. But people saying this shit makes people feel crap, and when posting a thread about it takes 2 minutes and could change some people's opinions, I don't think it's pointless to try.
It bothers me because people thinking I'm abhorrent when I can't change it sucks.
The video is symbolism.
It hurts me because it's an insult based on something I can't change.
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Being in denial, or not being aware of a problem is pretty dangerous to a person's peace of mind, and I believe that acknowledging it is the first step to overcoming it.
Yep that's kind of rude and a little snobbish.
Yeah it's your opinion, but you're coming off as someone who thinks homosexuals are lost people doing harm into the world, that's not respectful or polite in any fashion, that's kind of insulting to them, especially to the ones who killed themselves because the world hated them for who they were and the fact there's this disgusting Russian hate mob that does everything in its power to destroy gay people, one example is forcing said gay person to FUCK HIMSELF.
How so? I am saying that what they're doing, in my honest opinion, isn't natural. I was raised to believe that, and I still do. I then say t… morehat I hope one day they realize this and gain the strength to overcome it. I don't claim to have never done anything wrong, or aren't doing anything wrong currently etc. I know I'm not perfect, far from it. The difference is that I am not denying the things that I'm doing aren't beyond my control, and I'm trying to fix them. Being in denial, or not being aware of a problem is pretty dangerous to a person's peace of mind, and I believe that acknowledging it is the first step to overcoming it. However, I can't force them to change, and I don't desire to force them to, because they have the right to be in control of their life and decisions. Nor will I treat someone differently just because I disagree with their sexual lifestyle, for I don't believe a sexual preference defines a person. We're both human bein… [view original content]
Everyone is allowed to express their opinion under the 1st amendment.
Tinni does not hold homosexuality in high regard, and neither do I.
… moreIn fact, there are many people the world-over who do not support homosexuality, nor those who practice it.
That's just the way it is.
I didn't say they were doing harm to the world, I think if anyone's being hurt by their actions, it's themselves. I'm aware that many will take it as an insult, but that's not my intention. I genuinely believe this, and I would say the same thing to anyone I cared about who I felt was doing anything that is harmful to their well being. If you want to say that I'm disrespectful and rude for disagreeing with homosexuality, then go on ahead. I can't make you understand it from my pov. I can't control the way you interpret a controversial opinion.
especially to the ones who killed themselves because the world hated them for who they were and the fact there's this disgusting Russian hate mob that does everything in its power to destroy gay people, one example is forcing said gay person to FUCK HIMSELF.
This doesn't have anything to do with my view on the lifestyle. Nobody in their right mind would condone such heinous treatment of innocent human beings. My not supporting their lifestyle is not the equivalent to hating and demonizing the person for their lifestyle.
Being in denial, or not being aware of a problem is pretty dangerous to a person's peace of mind, and I believe that acknowledging it is the… more first step to overcoming it.
Yep that's kind of rude and a little snobbish.
Yeah it's your opinion, but you're coming off as someone who thinks homosexuals are lost people doing harm into the world, that's not respectful or polite in any fashion, that's kind of insulting to them, especially to the ones who killed themselves because the world hated them for who they were and the fact there's this disgusting Russian hate mob that does everything in its power to destroy gay people, one example is forcing said gay person to FUCK HIMSELF.
Because being called "Gay" is used as an insult, and gay people are constantly being shit on by people at church or at school, JUST for being who they are, it's disgusting.
But what good does it really do to keep talking about this?
Does it promote peace?
No.
The way I feel about it, if someone is homosexua… morel, don't advertise it, like with parades and things like that.
We straight people don't need to resort to such measures.
So if homosexuality is so natural, than why do homosexuals seem to want to flaunt it in everyone's face?
To me, it reminds of something a rebellious teenager would do.
He's talking about Leviticus 19:19, which isn't even a binding law for Christians today. The Bible also says "the weaving of two kinds of material (wool and linen in Deuteronomy:22:11) may be a rule that would prevent loss by unequal shrinkage." This doesn't apply because most Christians don't make their own clothing nowadays, and clothing manufacturers don't mix these materials last time I checked.
Also, this verse can be interpreted in two ways. The broader principle of the several statutes that forbid "mixing" in various ways is that God wanted His people to pursue purity and quality. Similarly, Christians are to pursue pure and Godly character.
The Jamieson, Fausset and Brown Commentary offers the following explanation for Leviticus 19:19:
"Neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woolen come upon thee—Although this precept, like the other two with which it is associated, was in all probability designed to root out some superstition, it seems to have had a farther meaning. The law, it is to be observed, did not prohibit the Israelites wearing many different kinds of cloths together, but only the two specified; and the observations and researches of modern science have proved that 'wool, when combined with linen, increases its power of passing off the electricity from the body. In hot climates, it brings on malignant fevers and exhausts the strength; and when passing off from the body, it meets with the heated air, inflames and excoriates like a blister'. (See Ezekiel:44:17, 18.)"
I have read the entire Bible.
That is why I'm able to quote it.
And did you know the Bible says that God is not the cause of our problems… more?
"Let no-one, when he is being tempted say "I am being tempted by God"; for God feels no temptations of evil, and himself tempts nobody. But each one is being tempted by being enticed and allured by his own desire; then desire becomes pregnant and gives birth to sin, and sin grows up and brings forth it's offspring, death." - James 1: 13-15. ( Byington translation.)
That's not even what I said. Instead of misconstruing my comment, why don't you just say you have a problem with me being against the lifestyle and be done with it. It's not as though I'm actively impeding upon the privileges of gay people, fighting against gay marriage, spreading hate, or attacking anyone for their sexuality. All I ever do when this subject is brought up is state my opinion/reasoning on the matter, and defend it or clarify if it's being severely misinterpreted(which nowadays it always is), but that's it.
My point is, there are people like myself who don't approve of homosexuals, and the best thing to do is accept it.
And then move on.
And incidentally, as I stated in an earlier post, though I don't approve of homosexuality; nor accept homosexuals, I've never told one that they are evil; or anything like that.
I will show them respect and courtesy, even though I support the Bible's view that homosexuality is unnatural, and very wrong.
The Bible states that in the book of Genesis; with the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, as well as in the book of Exodus, Leviticus, and so on.
And in the Greek Septuagint, homosexuality is also frowned uhe book of Romans, and 1 Corinthians.
Anyway, that is my viewpoint, and if people don't like it, then frankly that's their problem.
People don't generally make their own clothes today, so if my clothing is a sin, explain to me how that's my fault?
But people do make a choice when it comes to homosexuality.
Even if people have homosexual urges, doesn't mean they have to act on them.
For example, married people, though they may find others attractive, that doesn't mean they are destined to cheat.
No, they have to willingly make that choice.
Same thing if say a single guy finds himself attracted to a married woman, and if she makes an offer to sleep with him, he's not destined to accept her offer.
No, he has to make that choice to do so.
There's always a choice.
No-one is predestined to do anything.
We choose are own paths in life, either by our actions or our inactions.
And it's the choices we make everyday, that define who and what we are as people.
Whether we are good people, or not.
I didn't specifically ask for their opinions, I asked them to watch the video.
Can you please respond to my comment about why you're sinning against god by wearing elastic?
My point is, there are people like myself who don't approve of homosexuals, and the best thing to do is accept it.
And then move on.
And… more incidentally, as I stated in an earlier post, though I don't approve of homosexuality; nor accept homosexuals, I've never told one that they are evil; or anything like that.
I will show them respect and courtesy, even though I support the Bible's view that homosexuality is unnatural, and very wrong.
The Bible states that in the book of Genesis; with the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, as well as in the book of Exodus, Leviticus, and so on.
And in the Greek Septuagint, homosexuality is also frowned uhe book of Romans, and 1 Corinthians.
Anyway, that is my viewpoint, and if people don't like it, then frankly that's their problem.
I know I can't speak for all Christians or persons with faith in which homosexuality is considered a sin, but I will speak for the Christian family I have been raised in and in general is how we feel and I feel about homosexuality and society etc.
Personally, I was raised to be nice to everyone. No matter what color, race, sexual orientation. We need to quit treating people by their label or title society gives them, white privileged kid, black thug, homosexual, transgender. ETC.
We need to treat people like people, because when I see someone who is gay, I make it my goal to make sure I can treat them as a person, not a homosexual male or lesbian. Because when we treat someone based off of what label society gives them, we don't treat people like what they really are, a human. I can't tell you how many homosexual friends I've had that have been treated as a homosexual first, and a person second. When I treated them as a person, a friend, despite my own views and opinions, I think they appreciated it far more than how some people treated them. Always talking about their sexual orientation, instead of them as a person.
So, in my opinion, the issue we have in society isn't just about labels, it's about humans being decent humans to one another. Every group, every race, every label is treated like crap at times by other groups because of preconceived motions. Why just deal with the homophobia or racism? Why not deal with the fact that we need to treat people like what they are, human.
As for on a religious standpoint, it's a sin. I won't say what exactly is a sin, but it is a sin like so many other things. I was taught that sin is sin, and every sin carries the same weight in God's eyes. Homosexuality might as well be the same thing as telling a lie. And telling a lie could equate to the same value or murder. So, in essence, all sin is the same and the only sin that is considered the worst of all is the sin of disbelief or conscious rejection of God and Jesus. I am going off, and I know that what I'm saying won't be accepted by everyone and may be hated. But I won't be forcing me religious views on anyone, that's not my job. My job is to be a good person, and to me, a good person is someone who is kind and treats people the way they want to be treated.
Point is, anyone can be a bully. A homosexual person could bully a Christian, (which has happened to me.) A Christian could bully a homosexual, (which happens as well.) So, the bullying problem goes for every group, not just homosexuality and we should treat the bullying problem in whole as not just something that pertains to one group of people, it's literally a people problem.
Maybe everything I just typed won't make sense, but I just think bullying goes to everyone, regardless of race, or sexual orientation. In the end, I am just going to try and be nice to anyone who is nice to me. It doesn't matter what you are. But if you're mean to me and bully me, I will generally ignore that person. No matte who, or what they are. Hope that helps you get the opinion and mindset from someone who may well be from the group of bullies whom are considered to be homophobic. Again, hopefully I didn't just destroy my case, I'm not the best with my words at times. XD
Ms. Bonnie, please understand I'm not against you, or homosexuals okay? I'm just saying it is a choice. You probably became bisexual after experiencing your first kiss with a girl during your teen years. You thought it was weird at first then figured that's what you wanted to be in life. You dated a guy, but feel more attached to girls. Media and society influenced your choice because as a baby you don't know about that stuff.
Example: Watch the movie ''A Haunted House 2'' There's this ghost in the house trying to turn this little boy gay and it kind of works. The kid was masculine at first, but when the ghost influenced him to be that way he became feminine lol.
So yes, I backed up my claim with proof being gay is a choice and has nothing to do with genetics. The only people who doesn't have a choice is the hermaphrodites because, it wasn't their fault they were born that way and must choose who to be.
What you're saying contradicts another sentence. You're saying that being gay is a mental disorder (I'm mentally ill, with God only knows wh… moreat, according to my therapist), and then you're saying that kids are being influenced to be gay by TV or books. And then you're saying that violent video games cause real life violence.
All I have to say, is that is: This. This is for the video game thing, not the being gay thing.
Don't let the hate get to you. We all have limits as people, and lot's of people need to understand that sometimes it gets harder than anyone can imagine. I honestly think you're one of the nicest people on the forums. I hope things get better for you soon, because it sounds like it's most people against you, and I know how hard that can be. There's a lot of times where I feel like nobody's standing by me and that everyone's out to gang up on me. It's a comfort to know that people here are much more accepting.
I'm the same way. Half of the people I know regard me as a snooty, selfish girl. I don't think I am, but I take pride in my accomplishments,… more because God knows no one else will. Apparently, that's hurts people's feelings. I'm a selfish person, according to many people, because I've attempted suicide. I try not to be selfish, but some attempts to not be selfish just don't work.
I'm growing up in a household where I'm getting called retarded and dumbass half of the time, and I eventually getting that mindset that it's okay. I try not to, but I wish we could have one day where no one was rude to someone else, or complained. That would be amazing.
Hah, you seem to be pretty ignorant. I'm 13, and I have never kissed a girl. I've never kissed a boy, either. I'm bisexual because I have an attraction to girls and boys. And the Haunted House example is a stereotype that all gay boys are feminine. What the do intersex people have to do with this? That's about their genitalia, not their sexuality. Your logic is very confusing.
Anyway, I'm not going to argue with a pretentious person. Good day, goodbye.
Edit: And my name is not "Ms. Bonnie"... as much as I may wish it was, because it's a hell of a lot better and unique than my actual name.
Ms. Bonnie, please understand I'm not against you, or homosexuals okay? I'm just saying it is a choice. You probably became bisexual after e… morexperiencing your first kiss with a girl during your teen years. You thought it was weird at first then figured that's what you wanted to be in life. You dated a guy, but feel more attached to girls. Media and society influenced your choice because as a baby you don't know about that stuff.
Example: Watch the movie ''A Haunted House 2'' There's this ghost in the house trying to turn this little boy gay and it kind of works. The kid was masculine at first, but when the ghost influenced him to be that way he became feminine lol.
So yes, I backed up my claim with proof being gay is a choice and has nothing to do with genetics. The only people who doesn't have a choice is the hermaphrodites because, it wasn't their fault they were born that way and must choose who to be.
Just been sent this and figured I shoudl post it here instead of making a new thread.
I had no idea that marriage equality was happening … moreso quickly, last time I actually counted it was only in 10 states, and now 2/3 of americans live in states with it!
The roads are broken, the schools are going to hell, and the goveror of Massachusetts is concerned about whether to legalize gambling or not.
Actually, there's a new governor now, but I don't know anything about him, other than that he's a banker. I don't know if he's Wall Street or State Street though. Menino is gone now too, so I really don't know who to blame things on.
While I don't agree with jillV I do find her request interesting. What proof has science given to support the theory that homosexuality and bisexuality are not conscious decisions? My personal belief doesn't snuggly fit in either theory (it is a conscious choice or it is predetermined) so I'm eager to hear the defense of both positions.
some of my friends are homo or bisexual. I respect them either way, its their choice. I have never held a grudge against someone for their c… morehoices, and I don't intend to. I love all people, races, genders, and nationalitys equally.
Where you've come from and where your going don't defined you, its how you get there that dose.
People can be different, diverse, strange. But that's good, we shouldn't fault people because they were brave enough to step out of line when the rest just fall in and fallow orders. A little respect can go a long way.
People may be homosexual, they may be from a different land, and have a different skin tone. They may be live something you don't, they may speak different, but that doesn't make them and less than you.
And yes, I'm covering more than just homosexual bullying. I don't really have an account with that, I have to deal more with racism in my life.
I never understood gay people. Take for example a gay man. He sees a beautiful woman with a great body talking to an ordirnary man and he th… moreinks how the man is hot. I feel sorry for them instead of hating them. And people don't really support gays because they think it's right. They support them because everyone else does and they just tag along.
And if this means that people will hate me for it I'm sorry. I'm sorry because of you, not me.
Surely not. Bloody hell I knew it was bad, but that's disgusting. Then again they still would get to be with who they wanted, regardless of how they look on the outside, so it's better the hate people spread in countries like Uganda.
Surely not. Bloody hell I knew it was bad, but that's disgusting. Then again they still would get to be with who they wanted, regardless of how they look on the outside, so it's better the hate people spread in countries like Uganda.
While I don't agree with jillV I do find her request interesting. What proof has science given to support the theory that homosexuality and … morebisexuality are not conscious decisions? My personal belief doesn't snuggly fit in either theory (it is a conscious choice or it is predetermined) so I'm eager to hear the defense of both positions.
Surely not. Bloody hell I knew it was bad, but that's disgusting. Then again they still would get to be with who they wanted, regardless of how they look on the outside, so it's better the hate people spread in countries like Uganda.
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I see what you mean. But even though it was difficult, by telling your brother the truth, you saved him a lot more potential pain if he continued to think he had a chance with that girl. Sometimes it would be nice to spare someone's feelings, but by being honest, it's more like ripping a band-aid off as opposed to constant pain. Get it all out in the open before it accumulates y'know?
How so? I am saying that what they're doing, in my honest opinion, isn't natural. I was raised to believe that, and I still do. I then say that I hope one day they realize this and gain the strength to overcome it. I don't claim to have never done anything wrong, or aren't doing anything wrong currently etc. I know I'm not perfect, far from it. The difference is that I am not denying the things that I'm doing aren't beyond my control, and I'm trying to fix them. Being in denial, or not being aware of a problem is pretty dangerous to a person's peace of mind, and I believe that acknowledging it is the first step to overcoming it. However, I can't force them to change, and I don't desire to force them to, because they have the right to be in control of their life and decisions. Nor will I treat someone differently just because I disagree with their sexual lifestyle, for I don't believe a sexual preference defines a person. We're both human beings, so we're equals. You can disagree with the choices someone is making and still love them. This is my personal opinion.
I would assume for the same reasons you are still arguing your points more than a week after this topic of discussion was started. Controversial topics tend to lead to never ending discussion, which is all I was really trying to say.
I don't believe it's them flaunting just to flaunt (though perhaps in some cases this is the case). I would imagine the parades and whatnot are all part of their cause for what they consider to be equality.
I see what you're saying.
Even though my cousin was hurt, it was still a lesson he needed to learn.
StIll, telling a kid that this girl he likes is just using him is never easy.
Thank you for your kind advice.
Are you serious Flog? I have not once said that homosexuality is immoral, only that it isn't a natural inclination and that I don't support it. Refresh your memory, go back and look at the thread where the argument took place and you'll see that there is no evidence of me ever saying that, all you'll find is you claiming that I did and me defending myself. You are putting words in my mouth and making false accusations again. Don't bring my name into a conversation if you're just going to twist a past argument that you started btw, and spread lies to fit your silly "I'm always the victim" agenda.
I think this video will effectively change everyone's opinion on the matter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK_O8CzX-VY
Yep that's kind of rude and a little snobbish.
Yeah it's your opinion, but you're coming off as someone who thinks homosexuals are lost people doing harm into the world, that's not respectful or polite in any fashion, that's kind of insulting to them, especially to the ones who killed themselves because the world hated them for who they were and the fact there's this disgusting Russian hate mob that does everything in its power to destroy gay people, one example is forcing said gay person to FUCK HIMSELF.
Yeah, sure but when you start acting like a snob about it, and claiming homosexuals are making problems, that's when I'll call you out.
I didn't say they were doing harm to the world, I think if anyone's being hurt by their actions, it's themselves. I'm aware that many will take it as an insult, but that's not my intention. I genuinely believe this, and I would say the same thing to anyone I cared about who I felt was doing anything that is harmful to their well being. If you want to say that I'm disrespectful and rude for disagreeing with homosexuality, then go on ahead. I can't make you understand it from my pov. I can't control the way you interpret a controversial opinion.
This doesn't have anything to do with my view on the lifestyle. Nobody in their right mind would condone such heinous treatment of innocent human beings. My not supporting their lifestyle is not the equivalent to hating and demonizing the person for their lifestyle.
Because being called "Gay" is used as an insult, and gay people are constantly being shit on by people at church or at school, JUST for being who they are, it's disgusting.
He's talking about Leviticus 19:19, which isn't even a binding law for Christians today. The Bible also says "the weaving of two kinds of material (wool and linen in Deuteronomy:22:11) may be a rule that would prevent loss by unequal shrinkage." This doesn't apply because most Christians don't make their own clothing nowadays, and clothing manufacturers don't mix these materials last time I checked.
Also, this verse can be interpreted in two ways. The broader principle of the several statutes that forbid "mixing" in various ways is that God wanted His people to pursue purity and quality. Similarly, Christians are to pursue pure and Godly character.
The Jamieson, Fausset and Brown Commentary offers the following explanation for Leviticus 19:19:
"Neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woolen come upon thee—Although this precept, like the other two with which it is associated, was in all probability designed to root out some superstition, it seems to have had a farther meaning. The law, it is to be observed, did not prohibit the Israelites wearing many different kinds of cloths together, but only the two specified; and the observations and researches of modern science have proved that 'wool, when combined with linen, increases its power of passing off the electricity from the body. In hot climates, it brings on malignant fevers and exhausts the strength; and when passing off from the body, it meets with the heated air, inflames and excoriates like a blister'. (See Ezekiel:44:17, 18.)"
That's not even what I said. Instead of misconstruing my comment, why don't you just say you have a problem with me being against the lifestyle and be done with it. It's not as though I'm actively impeding upon the privileges of gay people, fighting against gay marriage, spreading hate, or attacking anyone for their sexuality. All I ever do when this subject is brought up is state my opinion/reasoning on the matter, and defend it or clarify if it's being severely misinterpreted(which nowadays it always is), but that's it.
My point is, there are people like myself who don't approve of homosexuals, and the best thing to do is accept it.
And then move on.
And incidentally, as I stated in an earlier post, though I don't approve of homosexuality; nor accept homosexuals, I've never told one that they are evil; or anything like that.
I will show them respect and courtesy, even though I support the Bible's view that homosexuality is unnatural, and very wrong.
The Bible states that in the book of Genesis; with the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, as well as in the book of Exodus, Leviticus, and so on.
And in the Greek Septuagint, homosexuality is also frowned uhe book of Romans, and 1 Corinthians.
Anyway, that is my viewpoint, and if people don't like it, then frankly that's their problem.
So tell me, gay seal, how does it feel, to be so wise?
People don't generally make their own clothes today, so if my clothing is a sin, explain to me how that's my fault?
But people do make a choice when it comes to homosexuality.
Even if people have homosexual urges, doesn't mean they have to act on them.
For example, married people, though they may find others attractive, that doesn't mean they are destined to cheat.
No, they have to willingly make that choice.
Same thing if say a single guy finds himself attracted to a married woman, and if she makes an offer to sleep with him, he's not destined to accept her offer.
No, he has to make that choice to do so.
There's always a choice.
No-one is predestined to do anything.
We choose are own paths in life, either by our actions or our inactions.
And it's the choices we make everyday, that define who and what we are as people.
Whether we are good people, or not.
What?
I know I can't speak for all Christians or persons with faith in which homosexuality is considered a sin, but I will speak for the Christian family I have been raised in and in general is how we feel and I feel about homosexuality and society etc.
Personally, I was raised to be nice to everyone. No matter what color, race, sexual orientation. We need to quit treating people by their label or title society gives them, white privileged kid, black thug, homosexual, transgender. ETC.
We need to treat people like people, because when I see someone who is gay, I make it my goal to make sure I can treat them as a person, not a homosexual male or lesbian. Because when we treat someone based off of what label society gives them, we don't treat people like what they really are, a human. I can't tell you how many homosexual friends I've had that have been treated as a homosexual first, and a person second. When I treated them as a person, a friend, despite my own views and opinions, I think they appreciated it far more than how some people treated them. Always talking about their sexual orientation, instead of them as a person.
So, in my opinion, the issue we have in society isn't just about labels, it's about humans being decent humans to one another. Every group, every race, every label is treated like crap at times by other groups because of preconceived motions. Why just deal with the homophobia or racism? Why not deal with the fact that we need to treat people like what they are, human.
As for on a religious standpoint, it's a sin. I won't say what exactly is a sin, but it is a sin like so many other things. I was taught that sin is sin, and every sin carries the same weight in God's eyes. Homosexuality might as well be the same thing as telling a lie. And telling a lie could equate to the same value or murder. So, in essence, all sin is the same and the only sin that is considered the worst of all is the sin of disbelief or conscious rejection of God and Jesus. I am going off, and I know that what I'm saying won't be accepted by everyone and may be hated. But I won't be forcing me religious views on anyone, that's not my job. My job is to be a good person, and to me, a good person is someone who is kind and treats people the way they want to be treated.
Point is, anyone can be a bully. A homosexual person could bully a Christian, (which has happened to me.) A Christian could bully a homosexual, (which happens as well.) So, the bullying problem goes for every group, not just homosexuality and we should treat the bullying problem in whole as not just something that pertains to one group of people, it's literally a people problem.
Maybe everything I just typed won't make sense, but I just think bullying goes to everyone, regardless of race, or sexual orientation. In the end, I am just going to try and be nice to anyone who is nice to me. It doesn't matter what you are. But if you're mean to me and bully me, I will generally ignore that person. No matte who, or what they are. Hope that helps you get the opinion and mindset from someone who may well be from the group of bullies whom are considered to be homophobic. Again, hopefully I didn't just destroy my case, I'm not the best with my words at times. XD
First of all, you're throwing way too many commas at me, so I'm gonna take that as a sign of disrespect.
Secondly,
Haha our meme is leaving the thread!
Ms. Bonnie, please understand I'm not against you, or homosexuals okay? I'm just saying it is a choice. You probably became bisexual after experiencing your first kiss with a girl during your teen years. You thought it was weird at first then figured that's what you wanted to be in life. You dated a guy, but feel more attached to girls. Media and society influenced your choice because as a baby you don't know about that stuff.
Example: Watch the movie ''A Haunted House 2'' There's this ghost in the house trying to turn this little boy gay and it kind of works. The kid was masculine at first, but when the ghost influenced him to be that way he became feminine lol.
So yes, I backed up my claim with proof being gay is a choice and has nothing to do with genetics. The only people who doesn't have a choice is the hermaphrodites because, it wasn't their fault they were born that way and must choose who to be.
Lol did she really say that in the show?
Yeah, totes. Tyrion got rekt so hard.
Don't let the hate get to you. We all have limits as people, and lot's of people need to understand that sometimes it gets harder than anyone can imagine. I honestly think you're one of the nicest people on the forums. I hope things get better for you soon, because it sounds like it's most people against you, and I know how hard that can be. There's a lot of times where I feel like nobody's standing by me and that everyone's out to gang up on me. It's a comfort to know that people here are much more accepting.
I wish Australia could be more accepting of gay people, but I honestly think we're one of the most homophobic countries around right now.
Hah, you seem to be pretty ignorant. I'm 13, and I have never kissed a girl. I've never kissed a boy, either. I'm bisexual because I have an attraction to girls and boys. And the Haunted House example is a stereotype that all gay boys are feminine. What the do intersex people have to do with this? That's about their genitalia, not their sexuality. Your logic is very confusing.
Anyway, I'm not going to argue with a pretentious person. Good day, goodbye.
Edit: And my name is not "Ms. Bonnie"... as much as I may wish it was, because it's a hell of a lot better and unique than my actual name.
Virginia actually only got marriage equality a month or two ago. :P
I've heard that Russia can force gay people into getting sex changes.
(The commas were because it was a sneaky Elton John reference. I wondered if anyone would get it.)
Thanks for that website. It's very interesting and I'm going to spend a lot of time on there in the near future.
That's not just Idaho...
The roads are broken, the schools are going to hell, and the goveror of Massachusetts is concerned about whether to legalize gambling or not.
Actually, there's a new governor now, but I don't know anything about him, other than that he's a banker. I don't know if he's Wall Street or State Street though. Menino is gone now too, so I really don't know who to blame things on.
While I don't agree with jillV I do find her request interesting. What proof has science given to support the theory that homosexuality and bisexuality are not conscious decisions? My personal belief doesn't snuggly fit in either theory (it is a conscious choice or it is predetermined) so I'm eager to hear the defense of both positions.
Compare the current standing on homosexuality and bisexuality to the standing a couple hundred years ago and you'd be amazed. Blazing a path
It's not anyones choise to be a gay or bi, you just are like that, nothing you can do 'boat it.
Well that's a load of shit.
Surely not. Bloody hell I knew it was bad, but that's disgusting. Then again they still would get to be with who they wanted, regardless of how they look on the outside, so it's better the hate people spread in countries like Uganda.
Kony2015
BandwagonLegend
I've linked them in other parts of the thread.
Also, google is good.
There's literally no evidence to suggest that it's a choice.
Eh, I heard from an Irish friend, so he probably got it wrong. Never said I was right, but if he was telling the truth, it is disgusting.