That's not just Idaho...
The roads are broken, the schools are going to hell, and the goveror of Massachusetts is concerned about whether… more to legalize gambling or not.
Actually, there's a new governor now, but I don't know anything about him, other than that he's a banker. I don't know if he's Wall Street or State Street though. Menino is gone now too, so I really don't know who to blame things on.
I'm sure google is good for one-sided smokescreen experiments and anecdotal suggestion which I have no interest in sifting through. I'm sure there is "evidence" akin to this supporting the theory that it is indeed a conscious choice also. While I have spent some time traversing this thread there are a lot of conversations going on, many of which have no relevance to the topic supposedly at hand. I was just hoping you could lend a hand in finding definite science behind your statement.
It only applies to people making ritualistic acts to worship a false God (since, as I said, it's clear in his letter that those people are who Paul is referring to when looking at the entire letter (since the first part of the passage speaks about worshiping false idols, and the second part speaks about the sexual acts committed to worship those idols), the original Greek, and the context of the time). So, yeah. For the people who still do commit sexual acts for idolatry, it indeed still applies.
It doesn't apply to anything else though, as Paul is specifically writing about those acts. People have been separating the two parts of the letter for discrimination for years, but that's taking the letter completely out of context, and not adhering to the actual meaning of Paul's letter.
It's possible to take text from anything and take it totally out of context to discriminate, but doing so is definitely not the right thing to do, and it's certainly not the right thing to do with a religious text. The important thing in any writing is to look at the context of the letter. From the context, it's clear that he's specifically addressing those who perform ritualistic sexual acts while committing Idolatry. Those who don't commit sexual acts for Idolatry are not the people that Paul is addressing in his letter.
And people don't participate in orgies today?
Or don't commit other acts of perversion today, like rape, and other disgusting things like t… morehat?
If you ask my opinion, that scripture doesn't only apply to just homosexuality, and it is still just as applicable now as it was when Paul wrote it, some 2000 years ago.
So I checked on the status here in Denmark where it seems that homosexuals have all the same rights as everyone else and gets treated the same, heh.
With me I have a nice map.
Dark blue = Same-sex marriage
Blue = Other type of partnership
Light blue = Unregistered cohabitation
Grey = Unrecognized
Red = Constitution limits marriage to opposite-sex couples
Well whatever you want to believe about the Bible, there is still a lot to be said against homosexuality.
Like the fact, that homosexual men, are at a much higher risk for AIDS, as posed to straight men.
For example according to a report by the CDC in 2010, of the 40,950 people who acquired HIV in the USA that year: 29, 800 were homosexual and bisexual men.
In other words, homosexual and bisexual men made up over a 3rd of the statistic.
I've seen what AIDS does to people, and it is both sickening and heartbreaking.
It's not something I would wish on anyone, homosexual or straight.
But my point is; and I say it respectfully, that perhaps those who practice homosexuality should either consider changing their lifestyle, or take responsibility for their health, like using protection.
As the consequences for not doing either one could be disastrous.
Not to mention, that homosexual couples can never have children by natural means.
Children are very precious, and I would say that's it's a safe assumption that most people would love to have children.
Not to be rude, bt that last time I checked, a man cannot get another man pregnant, nor can a woman get another woman pregnant.
That only happens between straight couples.
Now I know there are some who will call me a hillbilly, or a redneck; and I expect to see other users say this about me in responding comments.
But I honestly don't care anymore, as to if people call me that or not.
I've tried to be nothing but polite and respectful in giving my thoughts on this subject, as well as offering facts; like that 2010 report by the CDC, to show why I believe the things I do.
And I've done so, in an effort to show that I am both an intelligent and reasonable man.
And not some damned redneck, like some have accused me of being.
And if others want to hate me for that or whatever, well then respectfully that's their deal.
It only applies to people making ritualistic acts to worship a false God (since, as I said, it's clear in his letter that those people are w… moreho Paul is referring to when looking at the entire letter (since the first part of the passage speaks about worshiping false idols, and the second part speaks about the sexual acts committed to worship those idols), the original Greek, and the context of the time). So, yeah. For the people who still do commit sexual acts for idolatry, it indeed still applies.
It doesn't apply to anything else though, as Paul is specifically writing about those acts. People have been separating the two parts of the letter for discrimination for years, but that's taking the letter completely out of context, and not adhering to the actual meaning of Paul's letter.
It's possible to take text from anything and take it totally out of context to discriminate, but doing so is definitely not the right thing to do, and it'… [view original content]
I have to ask, Flog, why did you bring this whole discussion up?
Others have brought this same subject up at one time or another, and all it did was stir up contention.
So why have you brought it up, after seeing what it accomplished when others did so before?
The fact is, that there will always be those who don't support homosexuality.
No matter what you, nor anyone else says about it.
I would think the best thing to do would be just to accept it and move on, for the sake of peace.
Why keep stirring the pot?
To keep doing so, quite frankly, is childish, and shows a real lack of maturity.
Tinni told me that homosexuality is immoral, numerous people on this thread have expressed that sentiment...enough people for me to make one… more thread about, I think.
No, I'm not forcing anyone to think a different way. But by debating we can achieve a society in which less harm is done.
Bullying? Really? Do you think it'd be bullying to argue with a racist about why they think black people are inferior? How would that be different, when homosexuality and race aren't a choice, as shown by science?
Yes, I'm not pretending that I'm being hunted. But people saying this shit makes people feel crap, and when posting a thread about it takes 2 minutes and could change some people's opinions, I don't think it's pointless to try.
It bothers me because people thinking I'm abhorrent when I can't change it sucks.
The video is symbolism.
It hurts me because it's an insult based on something I can't change.
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Dark blue = Same-sex marriage
Blue = Other type of partnership
Light blue = Unregistered cohabitation
Grey = Unrecognized
Red = Constitution limits marriage to opposite-sex couples
Am I the only one who only sees dark blue and light blue? (or are Germany and the others just blue?)
Also, what's the difference between "Unregistered cohabitation" and "Roommate" (legally I mean).
I have to ask, Flog, why did you bring this whole discussion up?
Others have brought this same subject up at one time or another, and all i… moret did was stir up contention.
So why have you brought it up, after seeing what it accomplished when others did so before?
The fact is, that there will always be those who don't support homosexuality.
No matter what you, nor anyone else says about it.
I would think the best thing to do would be just to accept it and move on, for the sake of peace.
Why keep stirring the pot?
To keep doing so, quite frankly, is childish, and shows a real lack of maturity.
flog's not going to give us any proof. He'll just send Livort to be the proof while denying the truth. lol. He says science proves being gay isn't a choice, but won't give us a source to prove his point which means being gay is a choice. Homosexuality started in Europe then spread throughout the world. Greeks Europeans were the first to create homosexuality. Just watch The Game of Thrones if you want to find out, or any Roman movie. As the world learned about the homosexual lifestyle of the Roman's they started to adapt to it and teach their cultures how to do it.
So, yes all homosexuality began with the Romans, and it spread throughtout the world like a wild fire.
I'm gonna be honest, I'm sick and tired of seeing these types of discussions, particularly this one that deals with homosexuals.
All they do is cause arguments.
And quite frankly, it makes being on this whole website a very un-enjoyable experience.
If I wanna to fight with people, I'll go to a boxing gym.
But I don't want to do that.
As I said before, there will always be those who don't support homosexuality.
Accept it, and move on.
And here's something to think about.
Homosexuals claim that we straight people are close-minded?
Than why the hell do homosexuals resort to name calling and other sorts of of verbal bigotry and abuse when someone disagrees with their lifestyle?
Not only is that type of behavior close-minded, but it's also very hypocritical.
It's a fact that if you're a homosexual or possess any stereotypical attributes of homosexuality, you will most likely get beaten up on the street just for assumption over your sexuality. There are videos on YouTube about it and many cases are the same, they get beaten up and tell the authorities but they act as though it's alright for them to be beaten to a pulp because they're homosexuals, authorities in Russia let these awful beatings slide from everything I've heard.
He'll just send Livort to be the proof while denying the truth.
Lol.
Not only you got my nickname wrong, but you also seem to think that I'm somehow in league with Flog. I'm simply against using the Bible and religious reasoning when it comes to such debates. If you're so keen on using the Bible as your evidence and reasoning, as well as some TV shows, which are usually the last place one would take their evidence from, feel free.
flog's not going to give us any proof. He'll just send Livort to be the proof while denying the truth. lol. He says science proves being gay… more isn't a choice, but won't give us a source to prove his point which means being gay is a choice. Homosexuality started in Europe then spread throughout the world. Greeks Europeans were the first to create homosexuality. Just watch The Game of Thrones if you want to find out, or any Roman movie. As the world learned about the homosexual lifestyle of the Roman's they started to adapt to it and teach their cultures how to do it.
So, yes all homosexuality began with the Romans, and it spread throughtout the world like a wild fire.
I'm gonna be honest, I'm sick and tired of seeing these types of discussions, particularly this one that deals with homosexuals. All they do is cause arguments. And quite frankly, it makes being on this whole website a very un-enjoyable experience.
If you don't like the discussion, you can ignore it. No one's forcing you to participate in every topic, or even to read every topic. And the whole point of an internet forum is to generate debate. The forum would be a boring place if everyone just agreed about everything.
Homosexuals claim that we straight people are close-minded?
You don't speak for all straight people. I'm as straight as they come, and I'm accepting of gay people. In this day and age, it's unacceptable for anyone to openly disapprove of gays. Science has shown that it's not a choice, and its obvious that they're not hurting anyone. I would put homophobia on the same level as racism: something to not be tolerated. In both situations, you're condemning someone for something that's not their choice, and is an innocuous difference in the first place.
I'm gonna be honest, I'm sick and tired of seeing these types of discussions, particularly this one that deals with homosexuals.
All they d… moreo is cause arguments.
And quite frankly, it makes being on this whole website a very un-enjoyable experience.
If I wanna to fight with people, I'll go to a boxing gym.
But I don't want to do that.
As I said before, there will always be those who don't support homosexuality.
Accept it, and move on.
And here's something to think about.
Homosexuals claim that we straight people are close-minded?
Than why the hell do homosexuals resort to name calling and other sorts of of verbal bigotry and abuse when someone disagrees with their lifestyle?
Not only is that type of behavior close-minded, but it's also very hypocritical.
Imagine living with Combat PTSD, you tell anyone about yourself, they immediately think your some sort of crazy psychopath, that is going on a shooting spree. People avoid you, people judge you, and treat you like there is something wrong with you. If people treat you like the bad man, you might as well be the bad man. That was my truth for a long time, then one day i realized that i needed to change.
People say insensitive things to me all the time. I guess i am immune to it at this point, even though some times it still cuts like a razor through my wrists. Ever since i got back, i been living my own personal war, there is no ceasefire, there is no day i wake up and smile. It doesn't happen.
What do people want/expect from me, you know. I just don't have anything left to give them.
I don't understand exactly how you feel but i can empathize.
I'm the same way. Half of the people I know regard me as a snooty, selfish girl. I don't think I am, but I take pride in my accomplishments,… more because God knows no one else will. Apparently, that's hurts people's feelings. I'm a selfish person, according to many people, because I've attempted suicide. I try not to be selfish, but some attempts to not be selfish just don't work.
I'm growing up in a household where I'm getting called retarded and dumbass half of the time, and I eventually getting that mindset that it's okay. I try not to, but I wish we could have one day where no one was rude to someone else, or complained. That would be amazing.
Imagine living with Combat PTSD, you tell anyone about yourself, they immediately think your some sort of crazy psychopath, that is going on… more a shooting spree. People avoid you, people judge you, and treat you like there is something wrong with you. If people treat you like the bad man, you might as well be the bad man. That was my truth for a long time, then one day i realized that i needed to change.
People say insensitive things to me all the time. I guess i am immune to it at this point, even though some times it still cuts like a razor through my wrists. Ever since i got back, i been living my own personal war, there is no ceasefire, there is no day i wake up and smile. It doesn't happen.
What do people want/expect from me, you know. I just don't have anything left to give them.
I don't understand exactly how you feel but i can empathize.
Kenny/Lee:
For example according to a report by the CDC in 2010, of the 40,950 people who acquired HIV in the USA that year: 29, 800 were homosexual and bisexual men. In other words, homosexual and bisexual men made up over a 3rd of the statistic.
But my point is; and I say it respectfully, that perhaps those who practice homosexuality should either consider changing their lifestyle, or take responsibility for their health, like using protection. As the consequences for not doing either one could be disastrous.
There are also 11,150 other people in that statistic as well who have AIDS. Those practicing heterosexual sex also need to change their lifestyle, or take responsibility for their health, like using protection. The consequences for not doing either one could be disastrous for them (and their potential future partners) as well. AIDS is something that everyone has to be vigilant to protect themselves against.
Kenny/Lee wrote:
Not to mention, that homosexual couples can never have children by natural means. Children are very precious, and I would say that's it's a safe assumption that most people would love to have children. Not to be rude, bt that last time I checked, a man cannot get another man pregnant, nor can a woman get another woman pregnant. That only happens between straight couples.
There are also heterosexual women and men who are infertile and can't give birth to children. My cousin and her husband couldn't have children and had to adopt. They adopted two children from Chile, and they have grown up to lead fulfilling lives which might have not been possible without their adoption. There are a lot of children out there who are orphans, so any loving home that can adopt them, whether they're straight, bisexual, gay, single, or asexual, is a good thing. Studies have shown that gay parents are as good as straight ones. All that matters is that the home the children go to is a loving one.
Also, it's not impossible for them to have children of their own. There are couples, both same sex and opposite sex couples, who have children from donor eggs or donor sperm. A lot of people become donors because they don't want children of their own, or don't want more, and want to help people who can't give birth by themselves for whatever reason have children.
Well whatever you want to believe about the Bible, there is still a lot to be said against homosexuality.
Like the fact, that homosexual me… moren, are at a much higher risk for AIDS, as posed to straight men.
For example according to a report by the CDC in 2010, of the 40,950 people who acquired HIV in the USA that year: 29, 800 were homosexual and bisexual men.
In other words, homosexual and bisexual men made up over a 3rd of the statistic.
I've seen what AIDS does to people, and it is both sickening and heartbreaking.
It's not something I would wish on anyone, homosexual or straight.
But my point is; and I say it respectfully, that perhaps those who practice homosexuality should either consider changing their lifestyle, or take responsibility for their health, like using protection.
As the consequences for not doing either one could be disastrous.
Not to mention, that homosexual couples can never have children by natural means.
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Also, it's not impossible for them to have children of their own. There are couples, both same sex and opposite sex couples, who have children from donor eggs or donor sperm. A lot of people become donors because they don't want children of their own, or don't want more, and want to help people who can't give birth by themselves for whatever reason have children.
Kinda budding in here, but people getting children from this disappoints me, when like you said there are so many orphans who could be adopted. It's kinda like people getting dogs from a breeder when there is some in an animal shelter who need a loving home.
Kenny/Lee:
For example according to a report by the CDC in 2010, of the 40,950 people who acquired HIV in the USA that year: 29, 800 were… more homosexual and bisexual men. In other words, homosexual and bisexual men made up over a 3rd of the statistic.
But my point is; and I say it respectfully, that perhaps those who practice homosexuality should either consider changing their lifestyle, or take responsibility for their health, like using protection. As the consequences for not doing either one could be disastrous.
There are also 11,150 other people in that statistic as well who have AIDS. Those practicing heterosexual sex also need to change their lifestyle, or take responsibility for their health, like using protection. The consequences for not doing either one could be disastrous for them (and their potential future partners) as well. AIDS is something that everyone has to be vigilant to protect themselves against.
Ke… [view original content]
Well it just seemed like you were his right hand man in debates lol. And I used facts from Scientific sources. It stated Scientists have proven that genetics have nothing to do with being homo and it's society that makes people that way, so it's a choice.
We just want to have healthy discussions not insult each other. I never said I hated homosexuals and it's not only me bringing the bible up. I hope you have a great new year and please cheer up.
He'll just send Livort to be the proof while denying the truth.
Lol.
Not only you got my nickname wrong, but you also seem to thi… morenk that I'm somehow in league with Flog. I'm simply against using the Bible and religious reasoning when it comes to such debates. If you're so keen on using the Bible as your evidence and reasoning, as well as some TV shows, which are usually the last place one would take their evidence from, feel free.
flog's not going to give us any proof. He'll just send Livort to be the proof while denying the truth. lol. He says science proves being gay… more isn't a choice, but won't give us a source to prove his point which means being gay is a choice. Homosexuality started in Europe then spread throughout the world. Greeks Europeans were the first to create homosexuality. Just watch The Game of Thrones if you want to find out, or any Roman movie. As the world learned about the homosexual lifestyle of the Roman's they started to adapt to it and teach their cultures how to do it.
So, yes all homosexuality began with the Romans, and it spread throughtout the world like a wild fire.
Well it just seemed like you were his right hand man in debates lol.
And that is incorrect. But, feel free to think so, if it suits you.
And I used facts from Scientific sources. It stated Scientists have proven that genetics have nothing to do with being homo and it's society that makes people that way, so it's a choice.
Yeah, you've linked no sources, and most of your "scientific" claims and explanations come from various movies and TV shows, which are either staged or based on fiction 80% of the time, with little basis in actual history, science, or even reality as a whole.
We just want to have healthy discussions not insult each other. I never said I hated homosexuals and it's not only me bringing the bible up. I hope you have a great new year and please cheer up.
Well, if that is directed at me, link me a post of mine where I insult you. Also, I know it's not only you bringing the Bible up, you just happen to be the one who uses TV shows and movies as evidence to support your point.
Have a great New Year, even if it has already occurred for you.
Well it just seemed like you were his right hand man in debates lol. And I used facts from Scientific sources. It stated Scientists have pro… moreven that genetics have nothing to do with being homo and it's society that makes people that way, so it's a choice.
We just want to have healthy discussions not insult each other. I never said I hated homosexuals and it's not only me bringing the bible up. I hope you have a great new year and please cheer up.
Well it just seemed like you were his right hand man in debates lol.
And that is incorrect. But, feel free to think so, if it suits … moreyou.
And I used facts from Scientific sources. It stated Scientists have proven that genetics have nothing to do with being homo and it's society that makes people that way, so it's a choice.
Yeah, you've linked no sources, and most of your "scientific" claims and explanations come from various movies and TV shows, which are either staged or based on fiction 80% of the time, with little basis in actual history, science, or even reality as a whole.
We just want to have healthy discussions not insult each other. I never said I hated homosexuals and it's not only me bringing the bible up. I hope you have a great new year and please cheer up.
Well, if that is directed at me, link me a post of mine where I insult you. Also, I know it's not only you bringing the Bible up, you just ha… [view original content]
Adoption is definitely a very worthy avenue to go for people who can't have biological children of their own, but I can also see why people go the donor route. I'm infertile myself, and it does bother me that I can't have biological children of my own since it's very human to want to have your biological family line continue. If I find a partner one day that wants a child, adoption would be my first choice. But if that parter wants to go the donor route as I can't produce a child, but that partner wants to have a biological baby to carry on a biological family line then I'd definitely be open to it, even if the other half of the baby's genetic makeup could never be my own (since I understand the desire to have your biological family line continue).
Also, it's not impossible for them to have children of their own. There are couples, both same sex and opposite sex couples, who have childr… moreen from donor eggs or donor sperm. A lot of people become donors because they don't want children of their own, or don't want more, and want to help people who can't give birth by themselves for whatever reason have children.
Kinda budding in here, but people getting children from this disappoints me, when like you said there are so many orphans who could be adopted. It's kinda like people getting dogs from a breeder when there is some in an animal shelter who need a loving home.
Also, it's not impossible for them to have children of their own. There are couples, both same sex and opposite sex couples, who have childr… moreen from donor eggs or donor sperm. A lot of people become donors because they don't want children of their own, or don't want more, and want to help people who can't give birth by themselves for whatever reason have children.
Kinda budding in here, but people getting children from this disappoints me, when like you said there are so many orphans who could be adopted. It's kinda like people getting dogs from a breeder when there is some in an animal shelter who need a loving home.
There are many different versions of the bible, who is to say which one is right? As well as the fact that there are many other things in the bible which do not hold true today. Do you believe that you deserve to burn in hell eternally because you have worn to different types of cloth? Do you believe that women should not be allowed to be able to voice their opinion? Do you believe that when a women is raped she should have to marry her rapists because it is HIS punishment? Do you believe that one person should be able to have another as their slave? Do you believe that it is wrong for two people of different races to get married. Do you believe that any of things I should listed are true and that for the "sins" listed someone should have to burn in hell and suffer eternal torture and pain beyond what is imaginable or even possible in our world? I'm fine with you having that opinion and you are free to believe whatever you want I doubt I nor anyone else could change your mind, but PLEASE don't force your opinion on anyone else. Please don't use God as a reason for why someone else should not have the same rights as someone who your God would approve of. We are all human beings and we do not deserve rights because everybody approves of how we live our lives but because of that simple fact that we are all human beings.
With all due respect, even if I were to watch the video, it would not change my mind how I feel about homosexuality, and those who practice … moreit.
As long as the Bible continues to condemn homosexuality, I will continue to hold to that viewpoint.
And that is my personal right, and under the 1st amendment of the constitution, I'm allowed to express my belief.
And when you think about it, I myself am not condemning homosexuality.
Rather, God; through his word The Bible, does.
And I agree with what he says on the subject.
So in reality, and I say this respectfully, your disagreement is not with your fellow man, but rather with almighty God himself.
Transexual people do not have a choice, yes they have a choice on whether or not to get the surgery, voice therapy, and other things that can help them be seen as their true gender by society but being transgender is not a choice nor is it a mental disorder. Gay people can only change their sexual conduct, orientation stays the same. I'm not sure if you are referring to this or to people who are merely questioning their sexual identity. If you are referencing people who question their sexual identity and then realize they are straight, they were never gay because you cannot decide to or to not be gay.
Majority of homosexuals stay homosexual and same with heterosexuals. Their nature is something that's very hard to go aganist successfully. You know what I mean? Changing who you are is impossible for some people.
Bad phrasing on my part.
I've never forced my beliefs on anyone.
I'm not the one who created this thread, but like any other user on here, I have the right to throw my two-cents in on the subject.
This thread was originally very confrontational; as Flog himself has admited to.
I was the first user to respond to this thread, back when it was higly confrontational, and yet in spite of that I stated my beliefs as respectfully as possible, a policy I still maintain.
All I've done is share my beliefs on the subject of homosexuality, and have done so respectfully, but I will not compromise my beliefs by lying about them, just to appease other people.
There are many different versions of the bible, who is to say which one is right? As well as the fact that there are many other things in th… moree bible which do not hold true today. Do you believe that you deserve to burn in hell eternally because you have worn to different types of cloth? Do you believe that women should not be allowed to be able to voice their opinion? Do you believe that when a women is raped she should have to marry her rapists because it is HIS punishment? Do you believe that one person should be able to have another as their slave? Do you believe that it is wrong for two people of different races to get married. Do you believe that any of things I should listed are true and that for the "sins" listed someone should have to burn in hell and suffer eternal torture and pain beyond what is imaginable or even possible in our world? I'm fine with you having that opinion and you are free to believe whatever you want I doubt I nor… [view original content]
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Well obviously that's not just Idaho, there's more that's wrong with it but I didn't feel like making a list.
I'm sure google is good for one-sided smokescreen experiments and anecdotal suggestion which I have no interest in sifting through. I'm sure there is "evidence" akin to this supporting the theory that it is indeed a conscious choice also. While I have spent some time traversing this thread there are a lot of conversations going on, many of which have no relevance to the topic supposedly at hand. I was just hoping you could lend a hand in finding definite science behind your statement.
It only applies to people making ritualistic acts to worship a false God (since, as I said, it's clear in his letter that those people are who Paul is referring to when looking at the entire letter (since the first part of the passage speaks about worshiping false idols, and the second part speaks about the sexual acts committed to worship those idols), the original Greek, and the context of the time). So, yeah. For the people who still do commit sexual acts for idolatry, it indeed still applies.
It doesn't apply to anything else though, as Paul is specifically writing about those acts. People have been separating the two parts of the letter for discrimination for years, but that's taking the letter completely out of context, and not adhering to the actual meaning of Paul's letter.
It's possible to take text from anything and take it totally out of context to discriminate, but doing so is definitely not the right thing to do, and it's certainly not the right thing to do with a religious text. The important thing in any writing is to look at the context of the letter. From the context, it's clear that he's specifically addressing those who perform ritualistic sexual acts while committing Idolatry. Those who don't commit sexual acts for Idolatry are not the people that Paul is addressing in his letter.
So I checked on the status here in Denmark where it seems that homosexuals have all the same rights as everyone else and gets treated the same, heh.
With me I have a nice map.
Give us captions man! What is dark blue, blue or red?
Dark blue = Same-sex marriage
Blue = Other type of partnership
Light blue = Unregistered cohabitation
Grey = Unrecognized
Red = Constitution limits marriage to opposite-sex couples
I see now, Denmark is a pretty good place!
Yes, no?
Re-read my comment.
Well whatever you want to believe about the Bible, there is still a lot to be said against homosexuality.
Like the fact, that homosexual men, are at a much higher risk for AIDS, as posed to straight men.
For example according to a report by the CDC in 2010, of the 40,950 people who acquired HIV in the USA that year: 29, 800 were homosexual and bisexual men.
In other words, homosexual and bisexual men made up over a 3rd of the statistic.
I've seen what AIDS does to people, and it is both sickening and heartbreaking.
It's not something I would wish on anyone, homosexual or straight.
But my point is; and I say it respectfully, that perhaps those who practice homosexuality should either consider changing their lifestyle, or take responsibility for their health, like using protection.
As the consequences for not doing either one could be disastrous.
Not to mention, that homosexual couples can never have children by natural means.
Children are very precious, and I would say that's it's a safe assumption that most people would love to have children.
Not to be rude, bt that last time I checked, a man cannot get another man pregnant, nor can a woman get another woman pregnant.
That only happens between straight couples.
Now I know there are some who will call me a hillbilly, or a redneck; and I expect to see other users say this about me in responding comments.
But I honestly don't care anymore, as to if people call me that or not.
I've tried to be nothing but polite and respectful in giving my thoughts on this subject, as well as offering facts; like that 2010 report by the CDC, to show why I believe the things I do.
And I've done so, in an effort to show that I am both an intelligent and reasonable man.
And not some damned redneck, like some have accused me of being.
And if others want to hate me for that or whatever, well then respectfully that's their deal.
I have to ask, Flog, why did you bring this whole discussion up?
Others have brought this same subject up at one time or another, and all it did was stir up contention.
So why have you brought it up, after seeing what it accomplished when others did so before?
The fact is, that there will always be those who don't support homosexuality.
No matter what you, nor anyone else says about it.
I would think the best thing to do would be just to accept it and move on, for the sake of peace.
Why keep stirring the pot?
To keep doing so, quite frankly, is childish, and shows a real lack of maturity.
Am I the only one who only sees dark blue and light blue? (or are Germany and the others just blue?)
Also, what's the difference between "Unregistered cohabitation" and "Roommate" (legally I mean).
Germany and the others are blue.
I think some of small blobs are light blue.
Because bringing up controversial arguments brings different opinions, or he just wants attention and playing the victim card. I don't know lol.
flog's not going to give us any proof. He'll just send Livort to be the proof while denying the truth. lol. He says science proves being gay isn't a choice, but won't give us a source to prove his point which means being gay is a choice. Homosexuality started in Europe then spread throughout the world. Greeks Europeans were the first to create homosexuality. Just watch The Game of Thrones if you want to find out, or any Roman movie. As the world learned about the homosexual lifestyle of the Roman's they started to adapt to it and teach their cultures how to do it.
So, yes all homosexuality began with the Romans, and it spread throughtout the world like a wild fire.
I'm gonna be honest, I'm sick and tired of seeing these types of discussions, particularly this one that deals with homosexuals.
All they do is cause arguments.
And quite frankly, it makes being on this whole website a very un-enjoyable experience.
If I wanna to fight with people, I'll go to a boxing gym.
But I don't want to do that.
As I said before, there will always be those who don't support homosexuality.
Accept it, and move on.
And here's something to think about.
Homosexuals claim that we straight people are close-minded?
Than why the hell do homosexuals resort to name calling and other sorts of of verbal bigotry and abuse when someone disagrees with their lifestyle?
Not only is that type of behavior close-minded, but it's also very hypocritical.
Cranked it up to 400% - San Marino is light blue. It's the little speck in Italy that isn't the Vatican. Well, now I found out that country exists.
Not everyone has full control of their rainbows.
It's a fact that if you're a homosexual or possess any stereotypical attributes of homosexuality, you will most likely get beaten up on the street just for assumption over your sexuality. There are videos on YouTube about it and many cases are the same, they get beaten up and tell the authorities but they act as though it's alright for them to be beaten to a pulp because they're homosexuals, authorities in Russia let these awful beatings slide from everything I've heard.
Lol.
Not only you got my nickname wrong, but you also seem to think that I'm somehow in league with Flog. I'm simply against using the Bible and religious reasoning when it comes to such debates. If you're so keen on using the Bible as your evidence and reasoning, as well as some TV shows, which are usually the last place one would take their evidence from, feel free.
If you don't like the discussion, you can ignore it. No one's forcing you to participate in every topic, or even to read every topic. And the whole point of an internet forum is to generate debate. The forum would be a boring place if everyone just agreed about everything.
You don't speak for all straight people. I'm as straight as they come, and I'm accepting of gay people. In this day and age, it's unacceptable for anyone to openly disapprove of gays. Science has shown that it's not a choice, and its obvious that they're not hurting anyone. I would put homophobia on the same level as racism: something to not be tolerated. In both situations, you're condemning someone for something that's not their choice, and is an innocuous difference in the first place.
Imagine living with Combat PTSD, you tell anyone about yourself, they immediately think your some sort of crazy psychopath, that is going on a shooting spree. People avoid you, people judge you, and treat you like there is something wrong with you. If people treat you like the bad man, you might as well be the bad man. That was my truth for a long time, then one day i realized that i needed to change.
People say insensitive things to me all the time. I guess i am immune to it at this point, even though some times it still cuts like a razor through my wrists. Ever since i got back, i been living my own personal war, there is no ceasefire, there is no day i wake up and smile. It doesn't happen.
What do people want/expect from me, you know. I just don't have anything left to give them.
I don't understand exactly how you feel but i can empathize.
I'm sorry.
I just visited that thread...DAMN IT...I'll never escape from this...
There are also 11,150 other people in that statistic as well who have AIDS. Those practicing heterosexual sex also need to change their lifestyle, or take responsibility for their health, like using protection. The consequences for not doing either one could be disastrous for them (and their potential future partners) as well. AIDS is something that everyone has to be vigilant to protect themselves against.
There are also heterosexual women and men who are infertile and can't give birth to children. My cousin and her husband couldn't have children and had to adopt. They adopted two children from Chile, and they have grown up to lead fulfilling lives which might have not been possible without their adoption. There are a lot of children out there who are orphans, so any loving home that can adopt them, whether they're straight, bisexual, gay, single, or asexual, is a good thing. Studies have shown that gay parents are as good as straight ones. All that matters is that the home the children go to is a loving one.
Also, it's not impossible for them to have children of their own. There are couples, both same sex and opposite sex couples, who have children from donor eggs or donor sperm. A lot of people become donors because they don't want children of their own, or don't want more, and want to help people who can't give birth by themselves for whatever reason have children.
Kinda budding in here, but people getting children from this disappoints me, when like you said there are so many orphans who could be adopted. It's kinda like people getting dogs from a breeder when there is some in an animal shelter who need a loving home.
Its cool, i'm just trying to say your not alone. Stay strong, and don't let the haters bring you down.
Beautiful...
Well it just seemed like you were his right hand man in debates lol. And I used facts from Scientific sources. It stated Scientists have proven that genetics have nothing to do with being homo and it's society that makes people that way, so it's a choice.
We just want to have healthy discussions not insult each other. I never said I hated homosexuals and it's not only me bringing the bible up. I hope you have a great new year and please cheer up.
I don't think that fictional tv shows can be used as evidence for whether or not homosexuality is a choice...
And that is incorrect. But, feel free to think so, if it suits you.
Yeah, you've linked no sources, and most of your "scientific" claims and explanations come from various movies and TV shows, which are either staged or based on fiction 80% of the time, with little basis in actual history, science, or even reality as a whole.
Well, if that is directed at me, link me a post of mine where I insult you. Also, I know it's not only you bringing the Bible up, you just happen to be the one who uses TV shows and movies as evidence to support your point.
Have a great New Year, even if it has already occurred for you.
I didn't say you insulted me. I said we're trying to have a healthy discussion without insulting each other.
Right back at you. I can tell that you're a brave, smart person. You deserve to be treated with the respect that you deserve.
(That sentence sounded redundant...)
big hugs because you're awesome
Adoption is definitely a very worthy avenue to go for people who can't have biological children of their own, but I can also see why people go the donor route. I'm infertile myself, and it does bother me that I can't have biological children of my own since it's very human to want to have your biological family line continue. If I find a partner one day that wants a child, adoption would be my first choice. But if that parter wants to go the donor route as I can't produce a child, but that partner wants to have a biological baby to carry on a biological family line then I'd definitely be open to it, even if the other half of the baby's genetic makeup could never be my own (since I understand the desire to have your biological family line continue).
If you are a banana... I interested in how you type...
By that logic any couple, gay or straight, who has children outside of adoption are immoral unless a baby is accidental.
Which is silly.
There are many different versions of the bible, who is to say which one is right? As well as the fact that there are many other things in the bible which do not hold true today. Do you believe that you deserve to burn in hell eternally because you have worn to different types of cloth? Do you believe that women should not be allowed to be able to voice their opinion? Do you believe that when a women is raped she should have to marry her rapists because it is HIS punishment? Do you believe that one person should be able to have another as their slave? Do you believe that it is wrong for two people of different races to get married. Do you believe that any of things I should listed are true and that for the "sins" listed someone should have to burn in hell and suffer eternal torture and pain beyond what is imaginable or even possible in our world? I'm fine with you having that opinion and you are free to believe whatever you want I doubt I nor anyone else could change your mind, but PLEASE don't force your opinion on anyone else. Please don't use God as a reason for why someone else should not have the same rights as someone who your God would approve of. We are all human beings and we do not deserve rights because everybody approves of how we live our lives but because of that simple fact that we are all human beings.
Transexual people do not have a choice, yes they have a choice on whether or not to get the surgery, voice therapy, and other things that can help them be seen as their true gender by society but being transgender is not a choice nor is it a mental disorder. Gay people can only change their sexual conduct, orientation stays the same. I'm not sure if you are referring to this or to people who are merely questioning their sexual identity. If you are referencing people who question their sexual identity and then realize they are straight, they were never gay because you cannot decide to or to not be gay.
I've never forced my beliefs on anyone.
I'm not the one who created this thread, but like any other user on here, I have the right to throw my two-cents in on the subject.
This thread was originally very confrontational; as Flog himself has admited to.
I was the first user to respond to this thread, back when it was higly confrontational, and yet in spite of that I stated my beliefs as respectfully as possible, a policy I still maintain.
All I've done is share my beliefs on the subject of homosexuality, and have done so respectfully, but I will not compromise my beliefs by lying about them, just to appease other people.