No it's not. If a person is happier and has a more worthwhile life from using drugs and does not wish to stop using them then they are good for that person. Saying otherwise is asinine. Saying I would rather my friends and family die happy is not a stupid statement to make, saying you would rather them die old and sad is.
I've already explained the relation between drugs and cars before. Can you please pay attention?
No, saying drugs are good because it makes people feel a temporary buzz of happiness is a childish statement to make. Saying it's okay to al… morelow a loved one to commit suicide when you can get them help is a stupid statement to make.
It's not...It's really not...We are talking about drugs...Which are things that release unnormal amounts of chemicals in your brain which even once provides a lot of damage to it. It is a falsified happiness which lasts a little and because of the decrease in chemicals you then get depressed much harder than normal. Which you then think a form of transportation is the same thing.
No it's not. If a person is happier and has a more worthwhile life from using drugs and does not wish to stop using them then they are good … morefor that person. Saying otherwise is asinine. Saying I would rather my friends and family die happy is not a stupid statement to make, saying you would rather them die old and sad is.
I've already explained the relation between drugs and cars before. Can you please pay attention?
You keep saying things as if drugs cause definite death, which is obviously not true. And even if it were it's not your choice to make. If a man wants to be happy before he dies, and does this through using drugs, and dies 5 years earlier than he otherwise would have then he made the choice that those 5 years were a worthy cost for happiness. You choosing for him is tyrannical.
So you're against using them unless prescribed by a doctor, even when they make you happy. So yes, banning them as weed is banned, as lsd is banned, as shrooms are banned, banned. Do you even know what you're arguing anymore?
It's bad in your eyes. It ruins all lives in your eyes. See the common denominator here?
Someone hasn't been paying attention.
… more I completely support assisted suicide. I believe that's another choice that should be in a person's hands. It's their life and if the chemical processes in their brain prohibit them from being happy then I would absolutely never force them to live in misery for their brief time on Earth, that is extremely cruel and sadistic. I feel it should never be a spring of the moment thing. More often than not it is a permanent answer to a temporary problem, but there comes a time when death is better than life.
Nope.Nope.Nope.I'm done talking to you.
I'm supporting people doing what makes them happy. Yes, there are plenty of times where suicide is not the solution. But it's heartless and cruel to stop people from living a life that makes them unhappy. It's like smoking, for example. If I enjoyed doing (even though I don't intend to smoke ever), then I would gladly choose doing what I enjoy over living a bit longer, and I think people should be allowed that same right.
What I support is people actually being happy in life and not doing what others think should make them happy.
And if they decide it's worth it. Then I shouldn't do anything while they're killing themselves, when they KNOW it's killing them? You're basically supporting suicide.
I've heard that from you, I never said it till now but i'm not talking suicide with you because that's a serious subject and it disgusts me to hear you saying suicide is okay.
Someone hasn't been paying attention.
Yes I have.
Nope.Nope.Nope.I'm done talking to you.
I've heard that before, and whether or not it's true this time is rather unimportant to me. Good bye, maybe.
Um, not really, you kind of need cars in order to get to a destination
You don't need a car to live. You need a car to live the life you so choose to live.
and it's only dangerous if you either don't know how to drive or don't understand the rules of the road or have a medical condition that keeps you from driving properly
So no accidents are ever caused by other drivers?
because there are MANY cases where drugs and alcohol cause car accidents, so......
That was covered very early in the discussion. I ventured all the way to the top just to get it for you, feel obliged.
"So long as he doesn't endanger others a man deserves sovereignty over his own body."
Um, not really, you kind of need cars in order to get to a destination and it's only dangerous if you either don't know how to drive or don'… moret understand the rules of the road or have a medical condition that keeps you from driving properly, and you have MANY options to practice driving, and it's funny, because there are MANY cases where drugs and alcohol cause car accidents, so......
Do you not realize that taking excessive amounts of drugs leaves some harmful side effects that hurt your body and drugs CAN cause definite death, oh but that doesn't matter, because it makes YOU happy, while your family and friends are crying over your bloated disgusting corpse.
Yes, trying to help this man find an alternative that won't kill him and make himself miserable afterwards is bad.
You keep saying things as if drugs cause definite death, which is obviously not true. And even if it were it's not your choice to make. If a… more man wants to be happy before he dies, and does this through using drugs, and dies 5 years earlier than he otherwise would have then he made the choice that those 5 years were a worthy cost for happiness. You choosing for him is tyrannical.
You're constant, non-based accusations are tiresome. I guess this is yet another incident of you not understanding. Like calling me a hypocrite or not understanding that would is a referencing word.
I don't care if it disgusts you. What disgusts me is that people would make a person live in a world in which they are miserable all their live. My God that's on par with what the Christian boogyman Satan does, and he is supposed to be the ultimate evil.
Nope.
I've heard that from you, I never said it till now but i'm not talking suicide with you because that's a serious subject and it disgusts me to hear you saying suicide is okay.
You're constant, non-based accusations are tiresome. I guess this is yet another incident of you not understanding. Like calling me a hypocr… moreite or not understanding that would is a referencing word.
I don't care if it disgusts you. What disgusts me is that people would make a person live in a world in which they are miserable all their live. My God that's on par with what the Christian boogyman Satan does, and he is supposed to be the ultimate evil.
No. I get your position on this issue. You think people should not do what they want because it denies them a long life. A short life where people are happy is better than a long life where they are unhappy.
Support suicide? I guess that depends on if you are a black and white moral person. How primitive. In fact I had the detrimental points to that subject in the same section as I had the supportive points. You probably skipped those in order to hastily peg me as an "everyone kill yourself" supporter.
No. I get your position on this issue. You think people should not do what they want because it denies them a long life. A short life where people are happy is better than a long life where they are unhappy.
Exactly my point, you would make it (them) illegal, or banned. So "That's what I'm saying," isn't true. (In reference to (Now offering help … moreis another situation completely".) This brings us back to "Offering help and telling them they cannot are not the same thing."
Support suicide? I guess that depends on if you are a black and white moral person. How primitive. In fact I had the detrimental points to t… morehat subject in the same section as I had the supportive points. You probably skipped those in order to hastily peg me as an "everyone kill yourself" supporter.
I'm sure you would (in fact I noted you as such a person much earlier), but this entire conversation has been about what other people want.
They are applicable references to each other, whether you agree or not. You need neither, some want both (in accordance with the person), and they are both hazardous to your health. They are applicable.
Apparently what I've learned is that you two literally don't give a shit about people's lives if they say they're fine and happy, when they could actually be lying to themselves, and if they die a horrible death, then it's okay, because they said it was okay and it made them happy.
You both think using excessive amounts drugs actually makes people happy and thinks it's okay because it makes THAT person happy, but screw everyone else who cries about afterwards.
and one of you thinks suicide is perfectly fine if the person wants to do it and is happy, even though it's an awful thing to do, even though suicide isn't happy.
I've learned: Suicide is a good thing if ONE PERSON is happy, and taking drugs and killing your body is a good, only if it makes you happy.
I'm sure you would (in fact I noted you as such a person much earlier), but this entire conversation has been about what other people want.
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They are applicable references to each other, whether you agree or not. You need neither, some want both (in accordance with the person), and they are both hazardous to your health. They are applicable.
I'm supporting people making their own choices. If you think I'm not, post a screen cap of the posts I made that led you to that conclusion and tell me why. Don't just say it like it's fact and then neglect evidence.
I'm supporting people making their own choices. If you think I'm not, post a screen cap of the posts I made that led you to that conclusion and tell me why. Don't just say it like it's fact and then neglect evidence.
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No it's not. If a person is happier and has a more worthwhile life from using drugs and does not wish to stop using them then they are good for that person. Saying otherwise is asinine. Saying I would rather my friends and family die happy is not a stupid statement to make, saying you would rather them die old and sad is.
I've already explained the relation between drugs and cars before. Can you please pay attention?
Well this thread went off track quickly.
I would rather live a long life.
Can you pay attention, I just explained how they aren't alike.
You keep saying things as if drugs cause definite death, which is obviously not true. And even if it were it's not your choice to make. If a man wants to be happy before he dies, and does this through using drugs, and dies 5 years earlier than he otherwise would have then he made the choice that those 5 years were a worthy cost for happiness. You choosing for him is tyrannical.
Uh yes, I know what I'm arguing about. And apparently I'm arguing with folks who seem to support suicide.
Pro suicide & Pro Drugs...That's our future.
Yes I have.
I've heard that before, and whether or not it's true this time is rather unimportant to me. Good bye, maybe.
I'm supporting people doing what makes them happy. Yes, there are plenty of times where suicide is not the solution. But it's heartless and cruel to stop people from living a life that makes them unhappy. It's like smoking, for example. If I enjoyed doing (even though I don't intend to smoke ever), then I would gladly choose doing what I enjoy over living a bit longer, and I think people should be allowed that same right.
What I support is people actually being happy in life and not doing what others think should make them happy.
Nope.
I've heard that from you, I never said it till now but i'm not talking suicide with you because that's a serious subject and it disgusts me to hear you saying suicide is okay.
You don't need a car to live. You need a car to live the life you so choose to live.
So no accidents are ever caused by other drivers?
That was covered very early in the discussion. I ventured all the way to the top just to get it for you, feel obliged.
"So long as he doesn't endanger others a man deserves sovereignty over his own body."
Neither me nor Lee stated that people should kill themselves and do drugs. It's about not forcing people to live a long life if it makes them unhappy.
Honestly you both have missed our entire point on this.
...Someone hasn't been reading.
You all are saying people should be able to ruin their lives through drugs and Lee said suicide is okay.
Some people would rather live a short life. You are plainly intolerant of other people's desires.
Sure, K.
You know how I said I had respect for you two earlier...yeah, I lost that.
Do you not realize that taking excessive amounts of drugs leaves some harmful side effects that hurt your body and drugs CAN cause definite death, oh but that doesn't matter, because it makes YOU happy, while your family and friends are crying over your bloated disgusting corpse.
Yes, trying to help this man find an alternative that won't kill him and make himself miserable afterwards is bad.
Lee and I have both said that it's wrong to force people to live when it makes them unhappy. Jesus, I'd have better luck explaining this to my dog!
I'd say the same to you.
I would have better luck explaining this to a wall because i'm talking to two of them.
You're constant, non-based accusations are tiresome. I guess this is yet another incident of you not understanding. Like calling me a hypocrite or not understanding that would is a referencing word.
I don't care if it disgusts you. What disgusts me is that people would make a person live in a world in which they are miserable all their live. My God that's on par with what the Christian boogyman Satan does, and he is supposed to be the ultimate evil.
What makes me sick is allowing someone to waste their one life because they're temporally sad.
Hypocrite.
No. I get your position on this issue. You think people should not do what they want because it denies them a long life. A short life where people are happy is better than a long life where they are unhappy.
Support suicide? I guess that depends on if you are a black and white moral person. How primitive. In fact I had the detrimental points to that subject in the same section as I had the supportive points. You probably skipped those in order to hastily peg me as an "everyone kill yourself" supporter.
Sure...
Telling them they can't do it, because it can kill them is part of trying to help them, you know, keeping them from dying.
Or you are missing ours?
I never said that though, plus suicide is terrible, it's not black and white but it's still bad.
No. I get your point, and I've allowed this thread to be derailed in order for you to argue it and me to explain why I think you're wrong.
No, that was Lee.
Remember what I said?
and Lee said he didn't want to stop.
And he's welcome to continue. As are you, until you apparently get banned.
Yet i'm the only one derailing. lol
At least I'm not insulting other members and making a big deal over this on other threads.
Drug use and suicide are very important issues to me.
Well I know you have a strong opinion about that. And that's fine. But what isn't is accusing Lee and I of being things that we aren't.
I'm sure you would (in fact I noted you as such a person much earlier), but this entire conversation has been about what other people want.
They are applicable references to each other, whether you agree or not. You need neither, some want both (in accordance with the person), and they are both hazardous to your health. They are applicable.
I don't think I have.
Apparently what I've learned is that you two literally don't give a shit about people's lives if they say they're fine and happy, when they could actually be lying to themselves, and if they die a horrible death, then it's okay, because they said it was okay and it made them happy.
You both think using excessive amounts drugs actually makes people happy and thinks it's okay because it makes THAT person happy, but screw everyone else who cries about afterwards.
and one of you thinks suicide is perfectly fine if the person wants to do it and is happy, even though it's an awful thing to do, even though suicide isn't happy.
I've learned: Suicide is a good thing if ONE PERSON is happy, and taking drugs and killing your body is a good, only if it makes you happy.
You fucking people.
Lee is being a hypocrite in his posts but what did I accuse you of?
Supporting suicide and drug use? Well...You are.
No they aren't.
I'm supporting people making their own choices. If you think I'm not, post a screen cap of the posts I made that led you to that conclusion and tell me why. Don't just say it like it's fact and then neglect evidence.
People making choices that end their life.