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  • No it's not. If a person is happier and has a more worthwhile life from using drugs and does not wish to stop using them then they are good for that person. Saying otherwise is asinine. Saying I would rather my friends and family die happy is not a stupid statement to make, saying you would rather them die old and sad is.

    I've already explained the relation between drugs and cars before. Can you please pay attention?

    No, saying drugs are good because it makes people feel a temporary buzz of happiness is a childish statement to make. Saying it's okay to al

  • Well this thread went off track quickly.

  • I would rather live a long life.

    Can you pay attention, I just explained how they aren't alike.

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    No it's not. If a person is happier and has a more worthwhile life from using drugs and does not wish to stop using them then they are good

  • You keep saying things as if drugs cause definite death, which is obviously not true. And even if it were it's not your choice to make. If a man wants to be happy before he dies, and does this through using drugs, and dies 5 years earlier than he otherwise would have then he made the choice that those 5 years were a worthy cost for happiness. You choosing for him is tyrannical.

    J-Master posted: »

    Um, no. You can't simply let someone kill themselves.

  • Uh yes, I know what I'm arguing about. And apparently I'm arguing with folks who seem to support suicide.

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    So you're against using them unless prescribed by a doctor, even when they make you happy. So yes, banning them as weed is banned, as lsd is banned, as shrooms are banned, banned. Do you even know what you're arguing anymore?

  • Pro suicide & Pro Drugs...That's our future.

    J-Master posted: »

    Uh yes, I know what I'm arguing about. And apparently I'm arguing with folks who seem to support suicide.

  • Someone hasn't been paying attention.

    Yes I have.

    Nope.Nope.Nope.I'm done talking to you.

    I've heard that before, and whether or not it's true this time is rather unimportant to me. Good bye, maybe.

    It's bad in your eyes. It ruins all lives in your eyes. See the common denominator here? Someone hasn't been paying attention.

  • I'm supporting people doing what makes them happy. Yes, there are plenty of times where suicide is not the solution. But it's heartless and cruel to stop people from living a life that makes them unhappy. It's like smoking, for example. If I enjoyed doing (even though I don't intend to smoke ever), then I would gladly choose doing what I enjoy over living a bit longer, and I think people should be allowed that same right.

    What I support is people actually being happy in life and not doing what others think should make them happy.

    J-Master posted: »

    And if they decide it's worth it. Then I shouldn't do anything while they're killing themselves, when they KNOW it's killing them? You're basically supporting suicide.

  • Nope.

    I've heard that from you, I never said it till now but i'm not talking suicide with you because that's a serious subject and it disgusts me to hear you saying suicide is okay.

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    Someone hasn't been paying attention. Yes I have. Nope.Nope.Nope.I'm done talking to you. I've heard that before, and whether or not it's true this time is rather unimportant to me. Good bye, maybe.

  • Um, not really, you kind of need cars in order to get to a destination

    You don't need a car to live. You need a car to live the life you so choose to live.

    and it's only dangerous if you either don't know how to drive or don't understand the rules of the road or have a medical condition that keeps you from driving properly

    So no accidents are ever caused by other drivers?

    because there are MANY cases where drugs and alcohol cause car accidents, so......

    That was covered very early in the discussion. I ventured all the way to the top just to get it for you, feel obliged.

    "So long as he doesn't endanger others a man deserves sovereignty over his own body."

    J-Master posted: »

    Um, not really, you kind of need cars in order to get to a destination and it's only dangerous if you either don't know how to drive or don'

  • Neither me nor Lee stated that people should kill themselves and do drugs. It's about not forcing people to live a long life if it makes them unhappy.

    Pro suicide & Pro Drugs...That's our future.

  • Honestly you both have missed our entire point on this.

    J-Master posted: »

    Uh yes, I know what I'm arguing about. And apparently I'm arguing with folks who seem to support suicide.

  • ...Someone hasn't been reading.

    You all are saying people should be able to ruin their lives through drugs and Lee said suicide is okay.

    Neither me nor Lee stated that people should kill themselves and do drugs. It's about not forcing people to live a long life if it makes them unhappy.

  • Some people would rather live a short life. You are plainly intolerant of other people's desires.

    I would rather live a long life. Can you pay attention, I just explained how they aren't alike.

  • Sure, K.

    You know how I said I had respect for you two earlier...yeah, I lost that.

    Some people would rather live a short life. You are plainly intolerant of other people's desires.

  • edited January 2015

    Do you not realize that taking excessive amounts of drugs leaves some harmful side effects that hurt your body and drugs CAN cause definite death, oh but that doesn't matter, because it makes YOU happy, while your family and friends are crying over your bloated disgusting corpse.

    Yes, trying to help this man find an alternative that won't kill him and make himself miserable afterwards is bad.

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    You keep saying things as if drugs cause definite death, which is obviously not true. And even if it were it's not your choice to make. If a

  • Lee and I have both said that it's wrong to force people to live when it makes them unhappy. Jesus, I'd have better luck explaining this to my dog!

    ...Someone hasn't been reading. You all are saying people should be able to ruin their lives through drugs and Lee said suicide is okay.

  • I'd say the same to you.

    Sure, K. You know how I said I had respect for you two earlier...yeah, I lost that.

  • I would have better luck explaining this to a wall because i'm talking to two of them.

    Lee and I have both said that it's wrong to force people to live when it makes them unhappy. Jesus, I'd have better luck explaining this to my dog!

  • You're constant, non-based accusations are tiresome. I guess this is yet another incident of you not understanding. Like calling me a hypocrite or not understanding that would is a referencing word.

    I don't care if it disgusts you. What disgusts me is that people would make a person live in a world in which they are miserable all their live. My God that's on par with what the Christian boogyman Satan does, and he is supposed to be the ultimate evil.

    Nope. I've heard that from you, I never said it till now but i'm not talking suicide with you because that's a serious subject and it disgusts me to hear you saying suicide is okay.

  • What makes me sick is allowing someone to waste their one life because they're temporally sad.

    You're constant, non-based accusations are tiresome.

    Hypocrite.

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    You're constant, non-based accusations are tiresome. I guess this is yet another incident of you not understanding. Like calling me a hypocr

  • No. I get your position on this issue. You think people should not do what they want because it denies them a long life. A short life where people are happy is better than a long life where they are unhappy.

    I would have better luck explaining this to a wall because i'm talking to two of them.

  • Support suicide? I guess that depends on if you are a black and white moral person. How primitive. In fact I had the detrimental points to that subject in the same section as I had the supportive points. You probably skipped those in order to hastily peg me as an "everyone kill yourself" supporter.

    J-Master posted: »

    Uh yes, I know what I'm arguing about. And apparently I'm arguing with folks who seem to support suicide.

  • Sure...

    No. I get your position on this issue. You think people should not do what they want because it denies them a long life. A short life where people are happy is better than a long life where they are unhappy.

  • Telling them they can't do it, because it can kill them is part of trying to help them, you know, keeping them from dying.

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    Exactly my point, you would make it (them) illegal, or banned. So "That's what I'm saying," isn't true. (In reference to (Now offering help

  • Or you are missing ours?

    Honestly you both have missed our entire point on this.

  • I never said that though, plus suicide is terrible, it's not black and white but it's still bad.

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    Support suicide? I guess that depends on if you are a black and white moral person. How primitive. In fact I had the detrimental points to t

  • No. I get your point, and I've allowed this thread to be derailed in order for you to argue it and me to explain why I think you're wrong.

    Or you are missing ours?

  • No, that was Lee.

    Remember what I said?

    Yeah probably, if Lee agrees to end it then i'll stop too.

    and Lee said he didn't want to stop.

    No. I get your point, and I've allowed this thread to be derailed in order for you to argue it and me to explain why I think you're wrong.

  • edited January 2015

    And he's welcome to continue. As are you, until you apparently get banned.

    No, that was Lee. Remember what I said? Yeah probably, if Lee agrees to end it then i'll stop too. and Lee said he didn't want to stop.

  • Yet i'm the only one derailing. lol

    And he's welcome to continue. As are you, until you apparently get banned.

  • At least I'm not insulting other members and making a big deal over this on other threads.

    Yet i'm the only one derailing. lol

  • Drug use and suicide are very important issues to me.

    At least I'm not insulting other members and making a big deal over this on other threads.

  • Well I know you have a strong opinion about that. And that's fine. But what isn't is accusing Lee and I of being things that we aren't.

    Drug use and suicide are very important issues to me.

  • I'm sure you would (in fact I noted you as such a person much earlier), but this entire conversation has been about what other people want.

    They are applicable references to each other, whether you agree or not. You need neither, some want both (in accordance with the person), and they are both hazardous to your health. They are applicable.

    I would rather live a long life. Can you pay attention, I just explained how they aren't alike.

  • edited January 2015

    I don't think I have.

    Apparently what I've learned is that you two literally don't give a shit about people's lives if they say they're fine and happy, when they could actually be lying to themselves, and if they die a horrible death, then it's okay, because they said it was okay and it made them happy.

    You both think using excessive amounts drugs actually makes people happy and thinks it's okay because it makes THAT person happy, but screw everyone else who cries about afterwards.

    and one of you thinks suicide is perfectly fine if the person wants to do it and is happy, even though it's an awful thing to do, even though suicide isn't happy.

    I've learned: Suicide is a good thing if ONE PERSON is happy, and taking drugs and killing your body is a good, only if it makes you happy.

    You fucking people.

    Honestly you both have missed our entire point on this.

  • Lee is being a hypocrite in his posts but what did I accuse you of?

    Supporting suicide and drug use? Well...You are.

    Well I know you have a strong opinion about that. And that's fine. But what isn't is accusing Lee and I of being things that we aren't.

  • No they aren't.

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    I'm sure you would (in fact I noted you as such a person much earlier), but this entire conversation has been about what other people want.

  • I'm supporting people making their own choices. If you think I'm not, post a screen cap of the posts I made that led you to that conclusion and tell me why. Don't just say it like it's fact and then neglect evidence.

    Lee is being a hypocrite in his posts but what did I accuse you of? Supporting suicide and drug use? Well...You are.

  • People making choices that end their life.

    I'm supporting people making their own choices. If you think I'm not, post a screen cap of the posts I made that led you to that conclusion and tell me why. Don't just say it like it's fact and then neglect evidence.

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