I completely respect that you have your right to your opinion, however unpopular that may be. I'm sorry that I may have come across as harsh, looking back on my post I can see that I could have came across as quite abrasive. I was wrong to marginalize you and assume that you would or had previously forced your opinion to anyone.
I've never forced my beliefs on anyone.
I'm not the one who created this thread, but like any other user on here, I have the right to throw… more my two-cents in on the subject.
This thread was originally very confrontational; as Flog himself has admited to.
I was the first user to respond to this thread, back when it was higly confrontational, and yet in spite of that I stated my beliefs as respectfully as possible, a policy I still maintain.
All I've done is share my beliefs on the subject of homosexuality, and have done so respectfully, but I will not compromise my beliefs by lying about them, just to appease other people.
I completely respect that you have your right to your opinion, however unpopular that may be. I'm sorry that I may have come across as harsh… more, looking back on my post I can see that I could have came across as quite abrasive. I was wrong to marginalize you and assume that you would or had previously forced your opinion to anyone.
Do you believe everything you hear?
No offense, but don't you think that's a bit far-fetched, even for Russia, especially in this day and age?
If such a thing was indeed going on, don't you think the Court of Human Rights would've stepped in?
Because the Bible tells people it's wrong lol. To be honest I don't care about people's sexuality. As long as your a great friend and causing no harm, then no need to discriminate.
Amen to that, if people just believe a historic book that has been rewritten several times that's their choice but a book shouldn't speak for peoples' opinions.
Because the Bible tells people it's wrong lol. To be honest I don't care about people's sexuality. As long as your a great friend and causing no harm, then no need to discriminate.
Amen to that, if people just believe a historic book that has been rewritten several times that's their choice but a book shouldn't speak for peoples' opinions.
Yeah, of course I did. I thought it sounded horrid, but untrue, which is why I said, "I've heard" instead of "this happens". I'm a bit of a naive person anyway, but... Yeah, I definitly agree with you.
Do you believe everything you hear?
No offense, but don't you think that's a bit far-fetched, even for Russia, especially in this day and age?
If such a thing was indeed going on, don't you think the Court of Human Rights would've stepped in?
Do you believe everything you hear?
No offense, but don't you think that's a bit far-fetched, even for Russia, especially in this day and age?
If such a thing was indeed going on, don't you think the Court of Human Rights would've stepped in?
There was a documentary on a channel here in the UK which followed a group of 'Gay hunters' in Russia. They create fake profiles on dating websites, meet with actual homosexuals, tie them up and torture them to death.
Do you believe everything you hear?
No offense, but don't you think that's a bit far-fetched, even for Russia, especially in this day and age?
If such a thing was indeed going on, don't you think the Court of Human Rights would've stepped in?
A lot of people in this thread are arguing it's wrong because the Bible, etc etc, but if you were to pick apart the Bible piece by piece, you'd find a lot of things wrong that people don't bother condemning others over. It's nothing but an excuse to villainize otherness, and if the Bible wasn't there to justify that hatred, then I'm sure people would find a different excuse. At the end of the day, it's just cruelty. Plain and simple. If you won't accept someone over a harmless aspect of themselves (be it sexuality, race, gender identity, disability, etc), you're cruel. No amount of excuses will ever hide that.
That being said, I love Hozier. He's one of my favorite musicians. It's such a damn good song.
Honestly I don't actually see how people have the right to dislike someone for their sexuality, it's an aspect of a person that should only mean something to that person, if people constantly worry about someone else's life because they like someone that some people aren't comfortable with them liking just because of similarities such as gender, then I think those people should worry about their own lives, that is if they have one to worry about.
Since the subject of transsexuals was brought up, I gotta say that I don't understand why anyone would want to change their sex?
Why would anyone want to mutilate their body like that?
That makes no sense to me, whatsoever.
And another thing, when people claim they don't have a choice; as far as how their lives go, that to me just sounds like a cop-out, an excuse for them not taking control of their lives.
The element of personal choice, can never be taken away from a person.
Case and point, people who go to prison, have the choice to either better their lives or not.
They can either work to become productive members of society again, or they can choose to become even worse then when they first set foot in prison.
And there are many who are released from prison, and have chosen to live honest-hardworking lives, instead of going back to a life of crime, and they do so in-spite of whatever may have happened to them while in prison.
And for guys who are serving life sentences, they to can better their lives, by getting involved in work programs, and education programs that are designed to try to help keep young people from pursuing a life of crime.
And these guys who are in prison for life, and involved in these education programs, can give these kids the benefit of their experience; and help them to see that there's nothing to be gained from living a life of crime.
So not only do the kids they try to educate have a chance to better their lives, but also these inmates get that same chance, even if they never get released.
The point is, there is always a choice.
We are responsible for what we do with our lives, and largely for how are lives turn out.
We can either make our lives good, or bad, based on the choices we make.
Transexual people do not have a choice, yes they have a choice on whether or not to get the surgery, voice therapy, and other things that ca… moren help them be seen as their true gender by society but being transgender is not a choice nor is it a mental disorder. Gay people can only change their sexual conduct, orientation stays the same. I'm not sure if you are referring to this or to people who are merely questioning their sexual identity. If you are referencing people who question their sexual identity and then realize they are straight, they were never gay because you cannot decide to or to not be gay.
Case and point, people who go to prison, have the choice to either better their lives or not. They can either work to become productive members of society again, or they can choose to become even worse then when they first set foot in prison. And there are many who are released from prison, and have chosen to live honest-hardworking lives, instead of going back to a life of crime, and they do so in-spite of whatever may have happened to them while in prison.
To be honest most research shows prison if anything just instigates more crime, the person is surrounded by criminals and as such younger learn from the older or each other how to become more accomplished, you have to be violent etc to stay alive, there is an evern more open access to drugs and other things. The mundane repitition and high level of constant fear leads to many mental health problems
Not that I have all that much sympathy for people in there but its a cycle once you start
Since the subject of transsexuals was brought up, I gotta say that I don't understand why anyone would want to change their sex?
Why would … moreanyone want to mutilate their body like that?
That makes no sense to me, whatsoever.
And another thing, when people claim they don't have a choice; as far as how their lives go, that to me just sounds like a cop-out, an excuse for them not taking control of their lives.
The element of personal choice, can never be taken away from a person.
Case and point, people who go to prison, have the choice to either better their lives or not.
They can either work to become productive members of society again, or they can choose to become even worse then when they first set foot in prison.
And there are many who are released from prison, and have chosen to live honest-hardworking lives, instead of going back to a life of crime, and they do so in-spite of whatever may have happened to them while in prison.
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Trans people don't have a choice either. None of these people have choices. The only "choice" involved is whether or not to be out
True yes they dont have a choice in there sexuality. and all people have the second one
it's never a self-imposed choice. It's a choice forced by society.
I dont know about that, I'm not that open about it because it my private life I see no reason to tell others im gay unless its really relevant and even then I dont see why it matters
Trans people don't have a choice either. None of these people have choices.
The only "choice" involved is whether or not to be out, or to hide who you are, and it's never a self-imposed choice. It's a choice forced by society.
I dont know about that, I'm not that open about it because it my private life I see no reason to tell others im gay unless its really relevant and even then I dont see why it matters
That's fair. I apologize for making assumptions. I guess my point is more, like... whether or not you'd feel SAFE being out, you know?
Trans people don't have a choice either. None of these people have choices. The only "choice" involved is whether or not to be out
T… morerue yes they dont have a choice in there sexuality. and all people have the second one
it's never a self-imposed choice. It's a choice forced by society.
I dont know about that, I'm not that open about it because it my private life I see no reason to tell others im gay unless its really relevant and even then I dont see why it matters
People very much do support gay people because they thinking being homosexual is as fine as being heterosexual.
In fact none of your argu… morement actually makes sense so I'm not sure it's worth debating with you.
But what I don't understand is why you feel sorry for me. I'm married to an awesome guy, we've got kids on the way due in spring next year...why would someone feel sorry for me because of that? I'm very happy.
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Since the subject of transsexuals was brought up, I gotta say that I don't understand why anyone would want to change their sex? Why would anyone want to mutilate their body like that? That makes no sense to me, whatsoever.
Science has shown that being transsexual is actually an intersex condition (where people are born with both male and female organs). In the case of transsexual people, the brain is the organ in question, as the brain structure has been shown in many different studies to be biologically that of the opposite gender (from birth, as even transsexual people who have not had hormone therapy had the brain structure of the opposite gender in those studies).
So, like how we now wait for babies born with ambiguous genitalia to grow up to the point when they realize which gender is identified by their brain (since we know gender identity is determined by the brain of an individual, as in the case of intersex individuals genitals do not always give an accurate determination), the transgender people are identified by the gender of their brain as well, as they have a biological intersex condition of the brain.
Since the subject of transsexuals was brought up, I gotta say that I don't understand why anyone would want to change their sex?
Why would … moreanyone want to mutilate their body like that?
That makes no sense to me, whatsoever.
And another thing, when people claim they don't have a choice; as far as how their lives go, that to me just sounds like a cop-out, an excuse for them not taking control of their lives.
The element of personal choice, can never be taken away from a person.
Case and point, people who go to prison, have the choice to either better their lives or not.
They can either work to become productive members of society again, or they can choose to become even worse then when they first set foot in prison.
And there are many who are released from prison, and have chosen to live honest-hardworking lives, instead of going back to a life of crime, and they do so in-spite of whatever may have happened to them while in prison.
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That's not just Idaho...
The roads are broken, the schools are going to hell, and the goveror of Massachusetts is concerned about whether… more to legalize gambling or not.
Actually, there's a new governor now, but I don't know anything about him, other than that he's a banker. I don't know if he's Wall Street or State Street though. Menino is gone now too, so I really don't know who to blame things on.
Why are you spouting hate? JetLee was just saying that pedophiles and zoophiles are born that way and are most often not molesters, same as gay people are born that way and are most often not molesters. Yet pedophiles and zoophiles don't get the support that gay people get. It appears from your comment that the situation is even worse than that. It appears that the same people that support the gays also hate the pedophiles and the zoophiles and consider them "completely fucking disgusting." That's got to make them feel good about themselves [sarc]. Come on. They were born that way and literally can't help being that way any more than the gay people can. Don't make them feel bad about themselves for something like that. If they actually acted on their urges, there might be legal cause to give them a hard time, but if they don't (and you can't just assume that they do), they're just people who happen to be attracted to kids and animals. Be nice.
This is completely fucking disgusting.
Homosexuality is between two consenting adults.
Animals and children can't consent by definitio… moren.
Is this an honest comparison, or are you just trying to rile people up.
Also J-Master, a relationship with someone in his 20 year old is NOT pedophillia.
Who says pedophiles are even searching for images of children like that? They may not be. All that's certain about a pedophile is that he or she is attracted to children. That's it. And you might think that's inherently wrong, even if they don't act on those feelings in any conceivable way, and you have the right to your opinion, same as anyone else has the right to the opinion that being attracted to the same sex is inherently wrong. But no one has the right to persecute anyone merely because they are attracted to the same sex or to children.
Yeah, and they're wrong.
homosexuality is between two consenting adults.
And second of all, even if you don't assault a child, just si… moremply searching for images of children like that, helps an underground industry of abuse. Those pictures come from somewhere.
Yes people with those urges who come forward for help should be helped. But that doesn't mean pedophillia shouldn't be condemned. The reason we would be giving them help is so they are less likely to hurt someone. It is not the equivalent of homosexuality, and the comparison to it is distasteful to be putting it extremely mildly.
The only parallels that have been drawn so far are that both homosexuals and pedophiles/zoophiles are born that way and can't help it and both receive hate for something they can't help and that hate is wrong in both cases, but pedophiles and zoophiles get much more hate and much less support than gays do these days.
Perhaps, but this entire time you've predicated your argument on the idea that:
Regardless of whether zoophilia and pedophilia are leg… moreal or not, that doesn't change the fact that some people seem to be born with it. These people have to hide themselves and resist their urges (sometimes for their entire life). **At least homosexuals can embrace the massive support they're getting from mainstream media nowadays. The zoophilic and pedophilic community are constantly being demonised by media today.
If you were suggesting 'perhaps we shouldn't employ witch hunting tactics', as in this article, that might be one thing. 'or the way psychologists and health care providers deal with those who come forward in confidence needs to be revised'
But you are deliberately drawing a parallel between the struggles of homosexuality and pedophilia. In a thread specifically about LGBT issues. You're even using terms like 'community', and taci… [view original content]
Paedophilia and zoophilia always lack consent. Homosexuality only lacks consent as much as heterosexuality.
There's your answer.
if yo… moreu're saying what about the people who are paedophiles and don't act on their desires, I think it's extremely admirable. But they are not denied any rights, as there are moral issues with non consentual marriage, so there's no specific legal change that would fight for.
Alright, I'm just gonna say what everyone's thinking. It is ONLY by legal definition that statutory rape is rape. What, you think people just wake up on the morning of their 18th birthday and magically have good judgement? No. So what is it that makes an 18-year-old's consent different from a 15-year-old's, or a 10-year-old's? Nothing really. Just the laws surrounding them. And laws can be changed. Just look at the laws about gay marriage.
I can see the picket signs for the pedo rights movement now: My Consent has been Valid Since the Moment I was Thoroughly Educated about Sex. Okay, fine, that's too long and unwieldy to ever be anyone's picket sign, but still, I think that would definitely be one of the arguments used by the pedo rights movement: you can be thoroughly educated about sex at most any age. And I think the only reason some of you people in the gay community have such a visceral response to the idea of pedophilia is because you don't want to admit that the gay rights movement has paved the way for something you personally find gross, just like most people used to find gay sex gross.
Now, I am definitely FOR the laws against having any sex before the age of 18 because I think that increases the CHANCE of people developing good judgement before they start having sex, but it's a small chance anyhow. Most people remain completely immature about such things all throughout their lives. I mean, honestly, how immature is it to choose a life partner based on whether you are sexually attracted to them? I think the truly enlightened thing to do would be to choose a life partner based entirely on their interests, values, and personality. But whatever. We're obviously centuries away from that as a society if it's considered progress to be able to marry someone just because you are turned on by them.
But no it isn't.
The way that paedophilies and bestiaphiles are fine is if they never act on their urges because if they did the sex woul… mored be by definition non consensual and hence by definition rape.
Paedophiles are only denied rights if they act on these urges by raping a child. If a paedophiles suppresses the urges for the whole of his or her life, they are given exactly the same amount of rights as anyone else.
Homosexuals on the other hand ARE capable of consensual sex, and hence should be given full rights as heterosexuals have e.g. gay marriage.
Furthermore, this is why bullying someone for having gay sex is horrible and bullying someone for paedophilic sex is not: paedophilic sex ALWAYS includes abuse.
(The lgbt community faces just as bad stuff as these people in other countries, I might add.)
Alright, I'm just gonna say what everyone's thinking. It is ONLY by legal definition that statutory rape is rape. What, you think people jus… moret wake up on the morning of their 18th birthday and magically have good judgement? No. So what is it that makes an 18-year-old's consent different from a 15-year-old's, or a 10-year-old's? Nothing really. Just the laws surrounding them. And laws can be changed. Just look at the laws about gay marriage.
I can see the picket signs for the pedo rights movement now: My Consent has been Valid Since the Moment I was Thoroughly Educated about Sex. Okay, fine, that's too long and unwieldy to ever be anyone's picket sign, but still, I think that would definitely be one of the arguments used by the pedo rights movement: you can be thoroughly educated about sex at most any age. And I think the only reason some of you people in the gay community have such a visceral response to the idea of pedophilia is because yo… [view original content]
You missed my point.
The point is, that no matter what happens, people always have a choice, as to either how there lives go, or as to what kind of people they are.
Case and point, people who go to prison, have the choice to either better their lives or not. They can either work to become productive memb… moreers of society again, or they can choose to become even worse then when they first set foot in prison. And there are many who are released from prison, and have chosen to live honest-hardworking lives, instead of going back to a life of crime, and they do so in-spite of whatever may have happened to them while in prison.
To be honest most research shows prison if anything just instigates more crime, the person is surrounded by criminals and as such younger learn from the older or each other how to become more accomplished, you have to be violent etc to stay alive, there is an evern more open access to drugs and other things. The mundane repitition and high level of constant fear leads to many mental health problems
Not that I have all that much sympathy for people in there but its a cycle once you start
being transgender is not a choice nor is it a mental disorder.
..It is a disorder, it's called Gender Identity Disorder. People who have this experience an extreme amount of dysphoria. Honestly, they do need help and support, but not enabling.
Transexual people do not have a choice, yes they have a choice on whether or not to get the surgery, voice therapy, and other things that ca… moren help them be seen as their true gender by society but being transgender is not a choice nor is it a mental disorder. Gay people can only change their sexual conduct, orientation stays the same. I'm not sure if you are referring to this or to people who are merely questioning their sexual identity. If you are referencing people who question their sexual identity and then realize they are straight, they were never gay because you cannot decide to or to not be gay.
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I completely respect that you have your right to your opinion, however unpopular that may be. I'm sorry that I may have come across as harsh, looking back on my post I can see that I could have came across as quite abrasive. I was wrong to marginalize you and assume that you would or had previously forced your opinion to anyone.
It's alright, JP.
We all make mistakes.
I don't understand why people dislike homosexuality? You don't see me Hulk-smashing someone for being heterosexual or asexual.
Do you believe everything you hear?
No offense, but don't you think that's a bit far-fetched, even for Russia, especially in this day and age?
If such a thing was indeed going on, don't you think the Court of Human Rights would've stepped in?
Because the Bible tells people it's wrong lol. To be honest I don't care about people's sexuality. As long as your a great friend and causing no harm, then no need to discriminate.
Amen to that, if people just believe a historic book that has been rewritten several times that's their choice but a book shouldn't speak for peoples' opinions.
Respect each others preferences...
lol
is that Shia Labeouf
Respect each others opinions too...
Yeah, of course I did. I thought it sounded horrid, but untrue, which is why I said, "I've heard" instead of "this happens". I'm a bit of a naive person anyway, but... Yeah, I definitly agree with you.
It's not far-fetched to remove a memorial to Steve Jobs because Tim Cook came out as gay, though.
There was a documentary on a channel here in the UK which followed a group of 'Gay hunters' in Russia. They create fake profiles on dating websites, meet with actual homosexuals, tie them up and torture them to death.
And the government ignores it.
Trans people don't have a choice either. None of these people have choices.
The only "choice" involved is whether or not to be out, or to hide who you are, and it's never a self-imposed choice. It's a choice forced by society.
A lot of people in this thread are arguing it's wrong because the Bible, etc etc, but if you were to pick apart the Bible piece by piece, you'd find a lot of things wrong that people don't bother condemning others over. It's nothing but an excuse to villainize otherness, and if the Bible wasn't there to justify that hatred, then I'm sure people would find a different excuse. At the end of the day, it's just cruelty. Plain and simple. If you won't accept someone over a harmless aspect of themselves (be it sexuality, race, gender identity, disability, etc), you're cruel. No amount of excuses will ever hide that.
That being said, I love Hozier. He's one of my favorite musicians. It's such a damn good song.
Honestly I don't actually see how people have the right to dislike someone for their sexuality, it's an aspect of a person that should only mean something to that person, if people constantly worry about someone else's life because they like someone that some people aren't comfortable with them liking just because of similarities such as gender, then I think those people should worry about their own lives, that is if they have one to worry about.
Since the subject of transsexuals was brought up, I gotta say that I don't understand why anyone would want to change their sex?
Why would anyone want to mutilate their body like that?
That makes no sense to me, whatsoever.
And another thing, when people claim they don't have a choice; as far as how their lives go, that to me just sounds like a cop-out, an excuse for them not taking control of their lives.
The element of personal choice, can never be taken away from a person.
Case and point, people who go to prison, have the choice to either better their lives or not.
They can either work to become productive members of society again, or they can choose to become even worse then when they first set foot in prison.
And there are many who are released from prison, and have chosen to live honest-hardworking lives, instead of going back to a life of crime, and they do so in-spite of whatever may have happened to them while in prison.
And for guys who are serving life sentences, they to can better their lives, by getting involved in work programs, and education programs that are designed to try to help keep young people from pursuing a life of crime.
And these guys who are in prison for life, and involved in these education programs, can give these kids the benefit of their experience; and help them to see that there's nothing to be gained from living a life of crime.
So not only do the kids they try to educate have a chance to better their lives, but also these inmates get that same chance, even if they never get released.
The point is, there is always a choice.
We are responsible for what we do with our lives, and largely for how are lives turn out.
We can either make our lives good, or bad, based on the choices we make.
To be honest most research shows prison if anything just instigates more crime, the person is surrounded by criminals and as such younger learn from the older or each other how to become more accomplished, you have to be violent etc to stay alive, there is an evern more open access to drugs and other things. The mundane repitition and high level of constant fear leads to many mental health problems
Not that I have all that much sympathy for people in there but its a cycle once you start
True yes they dont have a choice in there sexuality. and all people have the second one
I dont know about that, I'm not that open about it because it my private life I see no reason to tell others im gay unless its really relevant and even then I dont see why it matters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJfMZcKNByc
The sniper approves of homosexuality. You don't want to get rekt, do you?!
That's fair. I apologize for making assumptions. I guess my point is more, like... whether or not you'd feel SAFE being out, you know?
Completely off-topic but whoah you're older than I assumed you were.
Granted, I sort of tend to assume people on this forum are all younger than me.
Uh thanks I guess? :P
Science has shown that being transsexual is actually an intersex condition (where people are born with both male and female organs). In the case of transsexual people, the brain is the organ in question, as the brain structure has been shown in many different studies to be biologically that of the opposite gender (from birth, as even transsexual people who have not had hormone therapy had the brain structure of the opposite gender in those studies).
So, like how we now wait for babies born with ambiguous genitalia to grow up to the point when they realize which gender is identified by their brain (since we know gender identity is determined by the brain of an individual, as in the case of intersex individuals genitals do not always give an accurate determination), the transgender people are identified by the gender of their brain as well, as they have a biological intersex condition of the brain.
Oh my God, now I remember why I loved this guy so much growing up.
I honestly don't care if someone is gay or not. All i care about is whether or not they are a douchebag.
Nope. I watched the episode the other day and she actually said, "Because I'm happy."
You're bashing God and Christians on a game forum?
Nope I been called Old man before.
I live ten minutes from a Casino, you know how Great it is?
You're*
Why are you spouting hate? JetLee was just saying that pedophiles and zoophiles are born that way and are most often not molesters, same as gay people are born that way and are most often not molesters. Yet pedophiles and zoophiles don't get the support that gay people get. It appears from your comment that the situation is even worse than that. It appears that the same people that support the gays also hate the pedophiles and the zoophiles and consider them "completely fucking disgusting." That's got to make them feel good about themselves [sarc]. Come on. They were born that way and literally can't help being that way any more than the gay people can. Don't make them feel bad about themselves for something like that. If they actually acted on their urges, there might be legal cause to give them a hard time, but if they don't (and you can't just assume that they do), they're just people who happen to be attracted to kids and animals. Be nice.
Who says pedophiles are even searching for images of children like that? They may not be. All that's certain about a pedophile is that he or she is attracted to children. That's it. And you might think that's inherently wrong, even if they don't act on those feelings in any conceivable way, and you have the right to your opinion, same as anyone else has the right to the opinion that being attracted to the same sex is inherently wrong. But no one has the right to persecute anyone merely because they are attracted to the same sex or to children.
The only parallels that have been drawn so far are that both homosexuals and pedophiles/zoophiles are born that way and can't help it and both receive hate for something they can't help and that hate is wrong in both cases, but pedophiles and zoophiles get much more hate and much less support than gays do these days.
How about the right to live their lives without being called "disgusting" for something they were born with and can't help?
Alright, I'm just gonna say what everyone's thinking. It is ONLY by legal definition that statutory rape is rape. What, you think people just wake up on the morning of their 18th birthday and magically have good judgement? No. So what is it that makes an 18-year-old's consent different from a 15-year-old's, or a 10-year-old's? Nothing really. Just the laws surrounding them. And laws can be changed. Just look at the laws about gay marriage.
I can see the picket signs for the pedo rights movement now: My Consent has been Valid Since the Moment I was Thoroughly Educated about Sex. Okay, fine, that's too long and unwieldy to ever be anyone's picket sign, but still, I think that would definitely be one of the arguments used by the pedo rights movement: you can be thoroughly educated about sex at most any age. And I think the only reason some of you people in the gay community have such a visceral response to the idea of pedophilia is because you don't want to admit that the gay rights movement has paved the way for something you personally find gross, just like most people used to find gay sex gross.
Now, I am definitely FOR the laws against having any sex before the age of 18 because I think that increases the CHANCE of people developing good judgement before they start having sex, but it's a small chance anyhow. Most people remain completely immature about such things all throughout their lives. I mean, honestly, how immature is it to choose a life partner based on whether you are sexually attracted to them? I think the truly enlightened thing to do would be to choose a life partner based entirely on their interests, values, and personality. But whatever. We're obviously centuries away from that as a society if it's considered progress to be able to marry someone just because you are turned on by them.
Hey, Flog's banned, he can't respond to you.
By the way, Welcome to the Forums.
Yeah, I know, but maybe he'll see it when he's unbanned.
And thanks.
You missed my point.
The point is, that no matter what happens, people always have a choice, as to either how there lives go, or as to what kind of people they are.
..It is a disorder, it's called Gender Identity Disorder. People who have this experience an extreme amount of dysphoria. Honestly, they do need help and support, but not enabling.