Although I would still go through hell and back to prevent them from ending their life. But in no way do I think its selfish for them to end their life.
Life can be anything the sky is the limit with life. However there can be no limit as to how bad it can get either. I think if people want t… moreo end it I'm sure they have their reasons for wanting to die and its their right. We're too hard on some people without knowing how they take it. Life can be nice for one person but an endless hell for another. Some people can't stand simply existing.
Sucide...it's a scary and deep subject. It's sad to see people having this mentality because even though i don't think suicide is selfsih, I do think that sucide is never and will not be the answer. I know it's not the simple for people to think like that though...
As a few comments before have said, I really dislike it when people say it's selfish. If someone has been through enough pain to where they don't think life is worth living anymore, their reason to keep going shouldn't be because they don't want people to be sad. They should have reasons to keep going that isn't focused around other people's interest; it should be goals that they themselves want to live to see or do.
When a person commits suicide I see it from there perspective. I do not look down on suicide, it is simply a means to an end. I do not suggest people commit suicide, I simply understand it.
Suicide is a okay in my book. If someone wants to die so desperately, let them. If they are serious enough to actually go and do it, its probably for the best, think of how miserable and how much they must be suffering.
Also, don't you think its a lot more selfish to respect someone to live a life of misery just because you don't want to be a little sad someone you knew died?
Suicide is a okay in my book. If someone wants to die so desperately, let them. If they are serious enough to actually go and do it, its pro… morebably for the best, think of how miserable and how much they must be suffering.
Also, don't you think its a lot more selfish to respect someone to live a life of misery just because you don't want to be a little sad someone you knew died?
I'm going to tell a personal story. This happened just recently.
This week hasn't been going so well in my life. Relationships haven't worked out, feeling a little depressed about myself, about the way my life has ended up. I asked a friend out, and was horribly rejected. Like it was probably one of the worst rejections i've had in a entire life. I didn't take it well, and Friday i decided to get blast drunk because of it. I got soooooooooooooooo drunk to the point i blacked out, i awoke in my kitchen leaning against the cabinet. My boarder collie woke me up. My head was throbbing, i haven't eaten since Thursday, now today is Saturday.
I decide to make a trip to Tim Hortons to get a cup of coffee, so i put on my coat and head out the door. Looking like 3 day old vomit i decided to venture to Tim Hortons to grab a cup of coffee, i pull up and order my coffee. I pull up and see the girl who took my order, she is a ninteen year old redhead girl who looks so cute, you want to take a picture, whereas i look like Nick Nolte.
FOr some reason, she still thought i looked cute and she actually initiated flirtation with me, at that point. Everything that i was feeling down about in my life was gone. I'm going to go back to see her next Saturday, and try to score them digits.
Think about all the pain they suffered they're in no position to think. After so many people and the world have hurt them I think they have the right to think about themselves
I'm going to tell a personal story. This happened just recently.
This week hasn't been going so well in my life. Relationships haven't w… moreorked out, feeling a little depressed about myself, about the way my life has ended up. I asked a friend out, and was horribly rejected. Like it was probably one of the worst rejections i've had in a entire life. I didn't take it well, and Friday i decided to get blast drunk because of it. I got soooooooooooooooo drunk to the point i blacked out, i awoke in my kitchen leaning against the cabinet. My boarder collie woke me up. My head was throbbing, i haven't eaten since Thursday, now today is Saturday.
I decide to make a trip to Tim Hortons to get a cup of coffee, so i put on my coat and head out the door. Looking like 3 day old vomit i decided to venture to Tim Hortons to grab a cup of coffee, i pull up and order my coffee. I pull up and see the girl who took my order, she is a ninteen year old re… [view original content]
I'd normally say to be careful of those who are paid to be nice to you, but you know what? I read an article today about how rejection is actually good for you. It's no fun when it happens, but it helps you learn that it's not the end of the world. Otherwise, if you're scared of rejection, you miss opportunities that might have otherwise led to a happier place. So, hey, go for it, and if she rejects you, it was good for you!
As for suicide, everybody's thought of it at some point in their lives, but the thing is, life always throws surprises at you. Even when you think things are hopeless, life has this funny way of proving it's not so bad after all. I'd always encourage those who consider it to keep trying to get through life, because things aren't always as bed as they seem.
I'm going to tell a personal story. This happened just recently.
This week hasn't been going so well in my life. Relationships haven't w… moreorked out, feeling a little depressed about myself, about the way my life has ended up. I asked a friend out, and was horribly rejected. Like it was probably one of the worst rejections i've had in a entire life. I didn't take it well, and Friday i decided to get blast drunk because of it. I got soooooooooooooooo drunk to the point i blacked out, i awoke in my kitchen leaning against the cabinet. My boarder collie woke me up. My head was throbbing, i haven't eaten since Thursday, now today is Saturday.
I decide to make a trip to Tim Hortons to get a cup of coffee, so i put on my coat and head out the door. Looking like 3 day old vomit i decided to venture to Tim Hortons to grab a cup of coffee, i pull up and order my coffee. I pull up and see the girl who took my order, she is a ninteen year old re… [view original content]
I've heard this argument a lot, and though it's kind of true, I disagree.
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Death is a big thing. When someone you know dies, it hurts. I get that they're in a lot of pain, but when you die it passes the pain to other people. No matter what the person thinks, there is someone out there who cares for them, someone who shares the same suffering, someone that cares even if they don't know who that person is. That's just how I see it. Good answer though, at least you're not afraid to voice an unpopular opinion.
Suicide is a okay in my book. If someone wants to die so desperately, let them. If they are serious enough to actually go and do it, its pro… morebably for the best, think of how miserable and how much they must be suffering.
Also, don't you think its a lot more selfish to respect someone to live a life of misery just because you don't want to be a little sad someone you knew died?
I'm going to tell a personal story. This happened just recently.
This week hasn't been going so well in my life. Relationships haven't w… moreorked out, feeling a little depressed about myself, about the way my life has ended up. I asked a friend out, and was horribly rejected. Like it was probably one of the worst rejections i've had in a entire life. I didn't take it well, and Friday i decided to get blast drunk because of it. I got soooooooooooooooo drunk to the point i blacked out, i awoke in my kitchen leaning against the cabinet. My boarder collie woke me up. My head was throbbing, i haven't eaten since Thursday, now today is Saturday.
I decide to make a trip to Tim Hortons to get a cup of coffee, so i put on my coat and head out the door. Looking like 3 day old vomit i decided to venture to Tim Hortons to grab a cup of coffee, i pull up and order my coffee. I pull up and see the girl who took my order, she is a ninteen year old re… [view original content]
I'm going to tell a personal story. This happened just recently.
This week hasn't been going so well in my life. Relationships haven't w… moreorked out, feeling a little depressed about myself, about the way my life has ended up. I asked a friend out, and was horribly rejected. Like it was probably one of the worst rejections i've had in a entire life. I didn't take it well, and Friday i decided to get blast drunk because of it. I got soooooooooooooooo drunk to the point i blacked out, i awoke in my kitchen leaning against the cabinet. My boarder collie woke me up. My head was throbbing, i haven't eaten since Thursday, now today is Saturday.
I decide to make a trip to Tim Hortons to get a cup of coffee, so i put on my coat and head out the door. Looking like 3 day old vomit i decided to venture to Tim Hortons to grab a cup of coffee, i pull up and order my coffee. I pull up and see the girl who took my order, she is a ninteen year old re… [view original content]
Man, there are some very dark conversation going on here at the Telltale community threads.
Anyway, I would never do it. I'm not entirely convinced on what happens when you die and I'd rather not find out. So I'll just keep enjoying life and do my best to make sure those around me enjoy it as well because you won't truly know what happens, if anything does, after death until it happens to you.
I think suicide in general is an extremely bad thing , but in some cases , it is More Merciful than life for some people , would you rather someone to live and become crazy or die a rational man ? and the part about being selfish , it's actually the opposite , people who want to commit suicide aren't selfish , BUT the people who don't want their loved one to commit suicide just because they will miss him , they are the selfish because they didn't really understand the pain and misery they're going through .. BUT if family and friends understand their loved one's true pain , and understand that death will be More Merciful than Life for him/her , they should agree on suicide ..
agree a lot with you. and ill go farther. i dont feel bad for some of them. look lets say if it was an soldier or a veteran, or someone that has ptsd because they've seen some fucked up shit, i can understand. but people like amanda todd and others like that i could less. and im not apologizing for that. that is super selfish and honestly pathetic. they do it for attention. there was a kid that killed himself and he left a note and he put that he hoped that his death started a change. he was gay and bullied and all of that, but that was just egotistical. MY death should bring change?? please theres being better people, people that actually done far more and after their passing it was very short lived that their death changed much. and they do it by social media, like ok?? why put it on social media? they just seek attention. now again there is certain cases where mental illness comes into play, now there, there's more sympathy.
well my point is that there is certain people that do it for attention. those are the ones that i have a problem with. and again feeling alone and bullied and shit is also no excuse for it. trust me ive been bullied most my life and i did think about sucide, not committing the act but how would it change things if i did... and guess what it just made me want to keep living more. fuck people and fuck everyone that belittles you they arent worth your time.
Not everyone is as tough as you. Everybody has different limits and different ways of reacting to things, so don't say they have no excuse. You don't have the fucking right to decide what people should be able to go through.
Honestly, I hate people like you who think that it's selfish to try and escape so much pain and suffering. Amanda Todd was tormented and abused by people for simply making a mistake. She moved schools and still couldn't escape it. So don't you dare say that she was being selfish by trying to escape the hell she had endured.
agree a lot with you. and ill go farther. i dont feel bad for some of them. look lets say if it was an soldier or a veteran, or someone that… more has ptsd because they've seen some fucked up shit, i can understand. but people like amanda todd and others like that i could less. and im not apologizing for that. that is super selfish and honestly pathetic. they do it for attention. there was a kid that killed himself and he left a note and he put that he hoped that his death started a change. he was gay and bullied and all of that, but that was just egotistical. MY death should bring change?? please theres being better people, people that actually done far more and after their passing it was very short lived that their death changed much. and they do it by social media, like ok?? why put it on social media? they just seek attention. now again there is certain cases where mental illness comes into play, now there, there's more sympathy.
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Yeah, but people eventually get over deaths of loved ones, their lives move on. People with depression or other mental illnesses, they are miserable for life.
I've heard this argument a lot, and though it's kind of true, I disagree.
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Death is a big thing. When someone you kn… moreow dies, it hurts. I get that they're in a lot of pain, but when you die it passes the pain to other people. No matter what the person thinks, there is someone out there who cares for them, someone who shares the same suffering, someone that cares even if they don't know who that person is. That's just how I see it. Good answer though, at least you're not afraid to voice an unpopular opinion.
The point of the story was that even though things are dark now, you never know how your life will change in five minutes. I been rejected by females my entire life, nothing new. I have a feeling i'm gonna get this one, when you been doing this as long as i have, you know when to go in for that kill.
I just thought i'd try to be a little inspiration, in case someone was a little depressed.
I'd normally say to be careful of those who are paid to be nice to you, but you know what? I read an article today about how rejection is a… morectually good for you. It's no fun when it happens, but it helps you learn that it's not the end of the world. Otherwise, if you're scared of rejection, you miss opportunities that might have otherwise led to a happier place. So, hey, go for it, and if she rejects you, it was good for you!
As for suicide, everybody's thought of it at some point in their lives, but the thing is, life always throws surprises at you. Even when you think things are hopeless, life has this funny way of proving it's not so bad after all. I'd always encourage those who consider it to keep trying to get through life, because things aren't always as bed as they seem.
Not everyone is as tough as you. Everybody has different limits and different ways of reacting to things, so don't say they have no excuse. … moreYou don't have the fucking right to decide what people should be able to go through.
Honestly, I hate people like you who think that it's selfish to try and escape so much pain and suffering. Amanda Todd was tormented and abused by people for simply making a mistake. She moved schools and still couldn't escape it. So don't you dare say that she was being selfish by trying to escape the hell she had endured.
Oh without a doubt it was a bad choice, but selfish? I wouldn't go that far. She was physically abuses and tormented over Facebook for months all because she flashed a guy online. If only someone had been their for her, then I doubt she would have taken her own life. But I think that she thought life wasn't going to get better and that she would be reminded of her mistake for the rest of her life. And I can't even imagine how it must have felt thinking that.
All she needed was someone to trust, and nobody was there for her. And the idea that this shit happens daily makes my blood boil.
I think because it's kinda selfish to say suicide is selfish and then force someone to live so that you don't feel sad. That's the impression I got at least.
I was in pretty deep shit couple of months ago, so when I one day read about Robin Williams hanging himself with a belt attached to a closet door, I actually tried to kill myself like that...though, it didn't work out and I backed out.. there I was, alone in my room, no one even knew I just tried to kill myself... until now you guys when I just told you it.
It's easy to say suicide is stupid and idiotic when you don't know how it really feels to be awfully depressed and everythings just falling apart.
I was in pretty deep shit couple of months ago, so when I one day read about Robin Williams hanging himself with a belt attached to a closet… more door, I actually tried to kill myself like that...though, it didn't work out and I backed out.. there I was, alone in my room, no one even knew I just tried to kill myself... until now you guys when I just told you it.
It's easy to say suicide is stupid and idiotic when you don't know how it really feels to be awfully depressed and everythings just falling apart.
I think because it's kinda selfish to say suicide is selfish and then force someone to live so that you don't feel sad. That's the impression I got at least.
Oh without a doubt it was a bad choice, but selfish? I wouldn't go that far. She was physically abuses and tormented over Facebook for month… mores all because she flashed a guy online. If only someone had been their for her, then I doubt she would have taken her own life. But I think that she thought life wasn't going to get better and that she would be reminded of her mistake for the rest of her life. And I can't even imagine how it must have felt thinking that.
All she needed was someone to trust, and nobody was there for her. And the idea that this shit happens daily makes my blood boil.
Yeah, but people eventually get over deaths of loved ones, their lives move on. People with depression or other mental illnesses, they are miserable for life.
I was in pretty deep shit couple of months ago, so when I one day read about Robin Williams hanging himself with a belt attached to a closet… more door, I actually tried to kill myself like that...though, it didn't work out and I backed out.. there I was, alone in my room, no one even knew I just tried to kill myself... until now you guys when I just told you it.
It's easy to say suicide is stupid and idiotic when you don't know how it really feels to be awfully depressed and everythings just falling apart.
I think because it's kinda selfish to say suicide is selfish and then force someone to live so that you don't feel sad. That's the impression I got at least.
The point of the story was that even though things are dark now, you never know how your life will change in five minutes. I been rejected … moreby females my entire life, nothing new. I have a feeling i'm gonna get this one, when you been doing this as long as i have, you know when to go in for that kill.
I just thought i'd try to be a little inspiration, in case someone was a little depressed.
It's rather irritating when normal people try to empathize by telling you that it isn't that bad, or that it isn't worth it, or what have you. Like they think they understand because they've been sad before. I wish nothing but the best for you Vince
I was in pretty deep shit couple of months ago, so when I one day read about Robin Williams hanging himself with a belt attached to a closet… more door, I actually tried to kill myself like that...though, it didn't work out and I backed out.. there I was, alone in my room, no one even knew I just tried to kill myself... until now you guys when I just told you it.
It's easy to say suicide is stupid and idiotic when you don't know how it really feels to be awfully depressed and everythings just falling apart.
Most all people do get over it, they may recall it and it may make them sad, but that's nothing in comparison to living in a suicidal depression. Depression and mental illness isn't a spring of the moment thing, one event doesn't cause you to be all of a sudden suicidal. (It could be argued that the event would be the starting point for depression, but correlation does not equal causation.)
No I don't think it's the number one mentality, but it was a response to the "suicide is selfish because you inflict pain on others" argument. People like that would ask their loved ones to stick it out for them no matter how hard it gets. That's the selfish part.
"then force someone to live so that you don't feel sad"
Do you seriously think that's the number one mentality?
It's not that simple, you're trying to save someone's life here.
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Honestly... I agree with this.
Although I would still go through hell and back to prevent them from ending their life. But in no way do I think its selfish for them to end their life.
Sucide...it's a scary and deep subject. It's sad to see people having this mentality because even though i don't think suicide is selfsih, I do think that sucide is never and will not be the answer. I know it's not the simple for people to think like that though...
As a few comments before have said, I really dislike it when people say it's selfish. If someone has been through enough pain to where they don't think life is worth living anymore, their reason to keep going shouldn't be because they don't want people to be sad. They should have reasons to keep going that isn't focused around other people's interest; it should be goals that they themselves want to live to see or do.
When a person commits suicide I see it from there perspective. I do not look down on suicide, it is simply a means to an end. I do not suggest people commit suicide, I simply understand it.
Suicide is a okay in my book. If someone wants to die so desperately, let them. If they are serious enough to actually go and do it, its probably for the best, think of how miserable and how much they must be suffering.
Also, don't you think its a lot more selfish to respect someone to live a life of misery just because you don't want to be a little sad someone you knew died?
"Suicide is a okay"
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I'm going to tell a personal story. This happened just recently.
This week hasn't been going so well in my life. Relationships haven't worked out, feeling a little depressed about myself, about the way my life has ended up. I asked a friend out, and was horribly rejected. Like it was probably one of the worst rejections i've had in a entire life. I didn't take it well, and Friday i decided to get blast drunk because of it. I got soooooooooooooooo drunk to the point i blacked out, i awoke in my kitchen leaning against the cabinet. My boarder collie woke me up. My head was throbbing, i haven't eaten since Thursday, now today is Saturday.
I decide to make a trip to Tim Hortons to get a cup of coffee, so i put on my coat and head out the door. Looking like 3 day old vomit i decided to venture to Tim Hortons to grab a cup of coffee, i pull up and order my coffee. I pull up and see the girl who took my order, she is a ninteen year old redhead girl who looks so cute, you want to take a picture, whereas i look like Nick Nolte.
FOr some reason, she still thought i looked cute and she actually initiated flirtation with me, at that point. Everything that i was feeling down about in my life was gone. I'm going to go back to see her next Saturday, and try to score them digits.
Certainly they have a right, but that doesn't excuse them for being a little selfish.
What an excellent refutation, my good sir.
Good for ya
I'd normally say to be careful of those who are paid to be nice to you, but you know what? I read an article today about how rejection is actually good for you. It's no fun when it happens, but it helps you learn that it's not the end of the world. Otherwise, if you're scared of rejection, you miss opportunities that might have otherwise led to a happier place. So, hey, go for it, and if she rejects you, it was good for you!
As for suicide, everybody's thought of it at some point in their lives, but the thing is, life always throws surprises at you. Even when you think things are hopeless, life has this funny way of proving it's not so bad after all. I'd always encourage those who consider it to keep trying to get through life, because things aren't always as bed as they seem.
I've heard this argument a lot, and though it's kind of true, I disagree.
Death is a big thing. When someone you know dies, it hurts. I get that they're in a lot of pain, but when you die it passes the pain to other people. No matter what the person thinks, there is someone out there who cares for them, someone who shares the same suffering, someone that cares even if they don't know who that person is. That's just how I see it. Good answer though, at least you're not afraid to voice an unpopular opinion.
GL
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Man, there are some very dark conversation going on here at the Telltale community threads.
Anyway, I would never do it. I'm not entirely convinced on what happens when you die and I'd rather not find out. So I'll just keep enjoying life and do my best to make sure those around me enjoy it as well because you won't truly know what happens, if anything does, after death until it happens to you.
I think suicide in general is an extremely bad thing , but in some cases , it is More Merciful than life for some people , would you rather someone to live and become crazy or die a rational man ? and the part about being selfish , it's actually the opposite , people who want to commit suicide aren't selfish , BUT the people who don't want their loved one to commit suicide just because they will miss him , they are the selfish because they didn't really understand the pain and misery they're going through .. BUT if family and friends understand their loved one's true pain , and understand that death will be More Merciful than Life for him/her , they should agree on suicide ..
agree a lot with you. and ill go farther. i dont feel bad for some of them. look lets say if it was an soldier or a veteran, or someone that has ptsd because they've seen some fucked up shit, i can understand. but people like amanda todd and others like that i could less. and im not apologizing for that. that is super selfish and honestly pathetic. they do it for attention. there was a kid that killed himself and he left a note and he put that he hoped that his death started a change. he was gay and bullied and all of that, but that was just egotistical. MY death should bring change?? please theres being better people, people that actually done far more and after their passing it was very short lived that their death changed much. and they do it by social media, like ok?? why put it on social media? they just seek attention. now again there is certain cases where mental illness comes into play, now there, there's more sympathy.
well my point is that there is certain people that do it for attention. those are the ones that i have a problem with. and again feeling alone and bullied and shit is also no excuse for it. trust me ive been bullied most my life and i did think about sucide, not committing the act but how would it change things if i did... and guess what it just made me want to keep living more. fuck people and fuck everyone that belittles you they arent worth your time.
Not everyone is as tough as you. Everybody has different limits and different ways of reacting to things, so don't say they have no excuse. You don't have the fucking right to decide what people should be able to go through.
Honestly, I hate people like you who think that it's selfish to try and escape so much pain and suffering. Amanda Todd was tormented and abused by people for simply making a mistake. She moved schools and still couldn't escape it. So don't you dare say that she was being selfish by trying to escape the hell she had endured.
Isn't saying suicide is selfish kinda hypocritical?
Yeah, but people eventually get over deaths of loved ones, their lives move on. People with depression or other mental illnesses, they are miserable for life.
The point of the story was that even though things are dark now, you never know how your life will change in five minutes. I been rejected by females my entire life, nothing new. I have a feeling i'm gonna get this one, when you been doing this as long as i have, you know when to go in for that kill.
I just thought i'd try to be a little inspiration, in case someone was a little depressed.
I would say she made a bad choice,
how so?
Oh without a doubt it was a bad choice, but selfish? I wouldn't go that far. She was physically abuses and tormented over Facebook for months all because she flashed a guy online. If only someone had been their for her, then I doubt she would have taken her own life. But I think that she thought life wasn't going to get better and that she would be reminded of her mistake for the rest of her life. And I can't even imagine how it must have felt thinking that.
All she needed was someone to trust, and nobody was there for her. And the idea that this shit happens daily makes my blood boil.
I think because it's kinda selfish to say suicide is selfish and then force someone to live so that you don't feel sad. That's the impression I got at least.
More hypocritical than ironic I believe.
I was in pretty deep shit couple of months ago, so when I one day read about Robin Williams hanging himself with a belt attached to a closet door, I actually tried to kill myself like that...though, it didn't work out and I backed out.. there I was, alone in my room, no one even knew I just tried to kill myself... until now you guys when I just told you it.
It's easy to say suicide is stupid and idiotic when you don't know how it really feels to be awfully depressed and everythings just falling apart.
Hopefully things are better.
That sounds better, I'll change it.
Suicide is a permanent choice for a temporary solution.
A lot of people are abused, 1 / 6 children are sexually abused in their lifetime. Its no wonder there is a huge drug problem in our culture.
Not everyone gets over death you know. If anything depression and mental illness can come from death of people you love.
That's up to the person to decide.
This is why I cringe whenever the press reports on a high-profile suicide.
Glad you made it through that.
"then force someone to live so that you don't feel sad"
Do you seriously think that's the number one mentality?
It's not that simple, you're trying to save someone's life here.
Wat?
It's actually a rather permanent choice and solution.
Hope everything works out for ya.
It's rather irritating when normal people try to empathize by telling you that it isn't that bad, or that it isn't worth it, or what have you. Like they think they understand because they've been sad before. I wish nothing but the best for you Vince
Most all people do get over it, they may recall it and it may make them sad, but that's nothing in comparison to living in a suicidal depression. Depression and mental illness isn't a spring of the moment thing, one event doesn't cause you to be all of a sudden suicidal. (It could be argued that the event would be the starting point for depression, but correlation does not equal causation.)
No I don't think it's the number one mentality, but it was a response to the "suicide is selfish because you inflict pain on others" argument. People like that would ask their loved ones to stick it out for them no matter how hard it gets. That's the selfish part.