My favourite part of it is the slow realisation near the end that you're actually playing as a villain, and the last minute perspective shift to Ellie in the last 2 minutes really hit that home for me.
If there is a sequel I'd bet a lot of money that we won't play as Joel.
I agree.
Liam Neeson would be a good choice.
He can do a southern accent fairly well, as the film Seraphim Falls demonstrates admirably.
… morePlus, not only is good in an on-screen fight, but he also a big guy, so his being able to fight like we saw Joel do in the game, would be believable.
If he were 20 years younger, then I think Harrison Ford would be the best choice for the role.
Star Wars, The Indiana Jones movies, The Fugitive, Air Force One, Clear And Present Danger, Firewall, etc.
His work speaks for itself.
Harrison Ford is probably the best action star of all time.
That's why I think he would have been perfect for the role, 20 years earlier.
What do you think?
Hugh Jackman would be excellent for the role.
Joel fight very viciously.
And with Hugh having played Wolverine, he could easily be believable as Joel.
Plus, in the movie Prisoners, Hugh looked a lot like Joel in that film.
lol viggo is too obvious. The Road and TLOU?? that be too much. but he good too, not known too much and he is very good.
and no neeson is too much, plus he doesnt really look like joel much
he be my first choice. and yeah thats why when the movie announcement came out i look at movies of people that looked like joel. in the movie he looked like joel. never saw it but saw previews
Hugh Jackman would be excellent for the role.
Joel fight very viciously.
And with Hugh having played Wolverine, he could easily be believable as Joel.
Plus, in the movie Prisoners, Hugh looked a lot like Joel in that film.
My favourite part of it is the slow realisation near the end that you're actually playing as a villain, and the last minute perspective shif… moret to Ellie in the last 2 minutes really hit that home for me.
If there is a sequel I'd bet a lot of money that we won't play as Joel.
I didn't like playing as Ellie at all. She was overall weaker, and wasn't as much fun as joel was. I liked beating the crap out of people with his fists, she can't do that.
I liked playing as her just because at the times we did play as her it was a very interesting perspective to view the story from, but overall I also liked playing as Joel more than Ellie. I still enjoyed Ellie's character more than Joel's.
I didn't like playing as Ellie at all. She was overall weaker, and wasn't as much fun as joel was. I liked beating the crap out of people with his fists, she can't do that.
Joel was a villain, between himself telling Ellie he's killed innocent people and his brother angrily recounting that he still has nightmares from the actions Joel took nearly twenty years ago back in Boston, there's no doubt that he was a twisted psycho and although systematically killing a group of people with the means to defend themselves isn't indiscriminately evil, killing that same group because you're selfish and put your needs above everyone else is. The fireflies wanted a cure, even if it wasn't a sure thing, it was a potentially just cause.
Besides, Ellie knew that she'd most likely have to die and her attitude toward the end would tell you that she was prepared to sacrifice herself for the greater good. "It can't be for nothing."
If he is a villain or if that's how the world we'll see it, then fine. I'm sure Joel may be comfortable with his decisions from what he did in the past and in the game. Joel had his reasons to do what he did. Whether it was to do horrible things to others for survival or take back something that the world was gonna take away, of which it had already done before. At the very least he is selfish, but it's a world that'll kill you for nothing and on the other side of the spectrum the world could've maybe been saved. At least it's good food for thought.
Joel was a villain, between himself telling Ellie he's killed innocent people and his brother angrily recounting that he still has nightmare… mores from the actions Joel took nearly twenty years ago back in Boston, there's no doubt that he was a twisted psycho and although systematically killing a group of people with the means to defend themselves isn't indiscriminately evil, killing that same group because you're selfish and put your needs above everyone else is. The fireflies wanted a cure, even if it wasn't a sure thing, it was a potentially just cause.
Besides, Ellie knew that she'd most likely have to die and her attitude toward the end would tell you that she was prepared to sacrifice herself for the greater good. "It can't be for nothing."
His actions twenty years ago don't speak about who we see in the story. I'm sure he did do some terrible things. Had our PC found him at that stage I likely wouldn't have taken a second thought about blowing his brains in multiple directions.
Systematically killing a group of people with the means to defend themselves?.. the fireflies? Who were going to cut open Ellie's head? I can see how that situation could be taken as villian-esque, but I don't agree. I've focused on the fact they were going to kill a defenseless girl.
As for her being willing to give herself to the cause? I almost completely agree. There is evidence to both cases that she would and wouldn't have agreed to give her life for the cause. The fireflies didn't ask.
All irrelevant. I was just curious to hear why switching to her perspective towards the end solidified this idea for Flog, as in: Was it seeing Joel from a different view point? Was it that the game switched the PC, and therefore metaphorically and literally changed who we were "seeing the world" through, and who we should view as the better person? What did the switch do to trigger a confirmation of sorts?
Joel was a villain, between himself telling Ellie he's killed innocent people and his brother angrily recounting that he still has nightmare… mores from the actions Joel took nearly twenty years ago back in Boston, there's no doubt that he was a twisted psycho and although systematically killing a group of people with the means to defend themselves isn't indiscriminately evil, killing that same group because you're selfish and put your needs above everyone else is. The fireflies wanted a cure, even if it wasn't a sure thing, it was a potentially just cause.
Besides, Ellie knew that she'd most likely have to die and her attitude toward the end would tell you that she was prepared to sacrifice herself for the greater good. "It can't be for nothing."
Joel was pretty much dead inside.
Losing his daughter broke something in him.
It took away his purpose.
And without a purpose, a man is lost, and prone to do things they wouldn't ordinarily do.
Elle gave him something and someone to care about.
She helped him find part himself again.
She brought out a kindness and a decency in Joel, that had been buried for two decades.
And when the fireflies were going to take that away from him, I can understand why Joel did what he did.
He had come to see Elle like his own daughter!
And like any father, Joel was willing to did whatever it took to protect her.
His actions twenty years ago don't speak about who we see in the story. I'm sure he did do some terrible things. Had our PC found him at tha… moret stage I likely wouldn't have taken a second thought about blowing his brains in multiple directions.
Systematically killing a group of people with the means to defend themselves?.. the fireflies? Who were going to cut open Ellie's head? I can see how that situation could be taken as villian-esque, but I don't agree. I've focused on the fact they were going to kill a defenseless girl.
As for her being willing to give herself to the cause? I almost completely agree. There is evidence to both cases that she would and wouldn't have agreed to give her life for the cause. The fireflies didn't ask.
All irrelevant. I was just curious to hear why switching to her perspective towards the end solidified this idea for Flog, as in: Was it seeing Joel from a different view point? Was it that the game switche… [view original content]
Elle is a lesbian?
When I said I like both characters, I meant more story-related wise.
As far as who was more fun a s a playable character, I think Joel was more fun play, mostly because he is a guy, and being a man myself, I could relate to the way he thought.
My favorite part of the game was ending it, giving the controller to my fiance to start the game and realizing there is a button to change your gun. I played the whole game. With one pistol. Fml.
The only thing I did like about playing as Elle, is that switchblade she carried.
Every time when I needed a melee weapon, I'd have stop and make one, which didn't last to long.
Not so with Elle's switchblade.
I didn't like playing as Ellie at all. She was overall weaker, and wasn't as much fun as joel was. I liked beating the crap out of people with his fists, she can't do that.
Yeah she is. I didn't care for the story to be honest, at the end of the game when Joel saves Ellie I was thinking to myself why did we come in the first place.
Elle is a lesbian?
When I said I like both characters, I meant more story-related wise.
As far as who was more fun a s a playable characte… morer, I think Joel was more fun play, mostly because he is a guy, and being a man myself, I could relate to the way he thought.
The only thing I did like about playing as Elle, is that switchblade she carried.
Every time when I needed a melee weapon, I'd have stop and make one, which didn't last to long.
Not so with Elle's switchblade.
Another arrogant user jumping to conclusions. Show me where exactly I said TLOU was the greatest game ever and that you're not allowed to di… moreslike it? Go ahead... and here's a hint, it's not where I said TLOU was factually good.
This may hurt your head a bit so brace yourself. Some things are factual, especially when it comes to quality. TLOU had very tight responsive and easy to use controls. The story, although a bit predictable at times, still had damn good writing and superb voice acting. And was overall an experience crafted from the ground up to mix cinematic storytelling with fast paced action. Now, if you don't personally like it, fine. But I'm a bit smarter than accepting "it's overrated" as a negative to a game. It's a cheap shot, plain and simple.
And who are you to tell me to "get over myself" for making a little joke at the expense of people similar to yourself who use "overrated" to describe your flimsy distaste for a game … [view original content]
Ok, I actually really enjoyed the game in the beginning and thought it had a good background story, graphics and I loved my companion Tess. Then she is bitten and makes me promise I will deliver this girl to the Fireflies, to honor her and basically so there was a chance to save the world.
And the ending of the game just completely ruins everything for me. I understand it might be different from the rest of the games playing as what is basically a villain, but I didn't enjoy it at all. We are forced to kill innocent people who are trying to save the world, and it isn't even for a greater good, but to make sure the world won't be saved and so Joel can have Ellie back out of his selfish desires. We also forget about Tess and basically dishonor her dying wish so Joel can be with Ellie (who I didn't even love that much). This is why I prefer Telltale's Games, for example. You can be either a good person or the villain if you prefer, but they don't force us to be either.
I never finished the game (I lost interest, I plan to pick it up again when I'm done with some other ones) and my general opinion so far is that I like it, but don't think it's the greatest game ever.
I love the scenery and all the details. It was breathtaking, everything was gorgeous. My biggest gripe was the characters for the exact same reasons as you stated. I felt no connection to Ellie. She was annoying and whiny, and the running into the line of sight thing irked me too. I also found her cursing to be unrealistic for her age. Maybe it was an attempt to make her more edgy and therefore more likable to the target audience. Her "jokes" that apparently are 2cute just didn't feel natural to me- like they were trying to make her sound cute and quirky or whatever.
I liked Joel, I mean there wasn't an incredible amount to not like. I agree that he is a pretty stereotypical badass tough guy. Kind of a vanilla character for me, but I didn't find him unlikable or anything.
I think Everyone'sClemInTime is assuming a lot about you, like that you're an ignorant child (which apparently makes an opinion irrelevant?) and that you are just trying to sound cool. I think you bring up valid points, but a lot of it is also just how you connected/didn't connect with certain things, and that's different for anyone who plays. I personally love the LiS series so far, but I know plenty of people who weren't impressed. People like different things, it would be boring if everyone agreed on everything.
Alright then. Here. I won't be able to write some massive essay or anything as to why I didn't like it since I'm extremely tired and complet… moreely out of it right now.
Anyway. Here
Gameplay: The gameplay, at least in my opinion, was boring, the shooting felt weird, the walking/running felt sluggish and some of the gameplay was immersion breaking. For example. You are fighting bandits, or zombies. You're taking cover, THEN ELLIE GETS UP AND LITERALLY RUNS THROUGH THEIR LINE OF SIGHT. Completely breaks the immersion right there.
Story/Characters: This is the part where people will be like YOUR JUST TROLLING or something like that. People say the characters and the story are amazing, but honestly, I didn't care for the characters one bit. It's hard for me to care for Ellie when she swears like a sailor, people say this is realistic, but I've never met any girl that's sworn like that, even adults. I just could not bring myself to like Ellie… [view original content]
DUR TLOU IS THE GREATEST GAME EVA ANY1 WHO SAYS OTHER WISE IS WRONG AND SHOULD FEEL BAD DUR DUR DUR-fanboy who thinks their opinion is fact
seriously get over yourself, people don't have to like it
Nope, just when they're being arrogant.
Yes, this I realized. Though I never stated any names and never meant it as malicious intent to attack any individual people, he did.
In all honestly though
I said this immediately after I used the "butthurt hipster" line to clear up any aggressive recourse it might've cause, little did I know certain members were a bit thick-skulled and thin-skinned and couldn't take a joke.
You realize he used the same template as you did, right?
"Dur, The Last of Us is overrated! I think Gone Home is better!" -Butthurt hipst… moreer
DUR TLOU IS THE GREATEST GAME EVA ANY1 WHO SAYS OTHER WISE IS WRONG AND SHOULD FEEL BAD DUR DUR DUR-fanboy who thinks their opinion is fact
He only used what you wrote and flipped it back on you. So any arrogance would have to apply to what you wrote in the first place.
How about Bryan Cranston?
Given how well he did on the show Breaking Bad, I think he could play, very convincingly, a man who has lost everything he cares about, and that's exactly the type of man that the character Joel is.
Admittedly Mr Cranston is not known for being an action star.
However, given the right setting, I think Bryan could pull it off.
I think the things that would really lend his suitability to playing this character is
A: He is a tremendous actor.
B: He has a good, strong voice, one that carries both emotion, and authority.
C: He has good facial expression, which are truly essential for an actor to convey emotions to the audience.
Mr Cranston is more of an appropriate age for the role. The character Joel, looks like he's around 50. I'm not sure, but I believe that Mr Cranston is in his late-fifties.
So his playing Joel would be very believable, in my opinion.
Plus, in the final episode of Breaking Bad, despite wearing glasses, Bryan actually looked like Joel.
How about Bryan Cranston?
Given how well he did on the show Breaking Bad, I think he could play, very convincingly, a man who has lost ever… moreything he cares about, and that's exactly the type of man that the character Joel is.
Admittedly Mr Cranston is not known for being an action star.
However, given the right setting, I think Bryan could pull it off.
I think the things that would really lend his suitability to playing this character is
A: He is a tremendous actor.
B: He has a good, strong voice, one that carries both emotion, and authority.
C: He has good facial expression, which are truly essential for an actor to convey emotions to the audience.
Mr Cranston is more of an appropriate age for the role. The character Joel, looks like he's around 50. I'm not sure, but I believe that Mr Cranston is in his late-fifties.
So his playing Joel would be very believable, in my opinion.
Plus, in the final episode of Breaking Bad, despite wearing glasses, Bryan actually looked like Joel.
What do you think?
Does the Last of Us come with Mountain Dewritos™ tho?
But in All seriousness, I'm actually interested in the PS4 and if I ever do I will probably get The Last of Us. It's a necessity at this point. It doesn't really have a lot of exclusives though and I already have a capable PC so I'm never really encouraged to make such an expensive purchase. Heck, I'll probably get another 3DS before I'll think of getting a ps4.
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My favourite part of it is the slow realisation near the end that you're actually playing as a villain, and the last minute perspective shift to Ellie in the last 2 minutes really hit that home for me.
If there is a sequel I'd bet a lot of money that we won't play as Joel.
Harrison Ford is one of my favorite actors, but I just can't see him as Joel. The voice and the hair color are just too different.
Hugh Jackman would be excellent for the role.
Joel fight very viciously.
And with Hugh having played Wolverine, he could easily be believable as Joel.
Plus, in the movie Prisoners, Hugh looked a lot like Joel in that film.
he be my first choice. and yeah thats why when the movie announcement came out i look at movies of people that looked like joel. in the movie he looked like joel. never saw it but saw previews
I could relate to Joel better, which is why he was a much better PC for me, but I still liked Ellie more.
While I disagree with him being a villian I am curious how switching to Ellie at the last section hit that idea home for you.
Gone Home was the worst 20 bucks i ever spent.
I didn't like playing as Ellie at all. She was overall weaker, and wasn't as much fun as joel was. I liked beating the crap out of people with his fists, she can't do that.
I liked playing as her just because at the times we did play as her it was a very interesting perspective to view the story from, but overall I also liked playing as Joel more than Ellie. I still enjoyed Ellie's character more than Joel's.
Joel was a villain, between himself telling Ellie he's killed innocent people and his brother angrily recounting that he still has nightmares from the actions Joel took nearly twenty years ago back in Boston, there's no doubt that he was a twisted psycho and although systematically killing a group of people with the means to defend themselves isn't indiscriminately evil, killing that same group because you're selfish and put your needs above everyone else is. The fireflies wanted a cure, even if it wasn't a sure thing, it was a potentially just cause.
Besides, Ellie knew that she'd most likely have to die and her attitude toward the end would tell you that she was prepared to sacrifice herself for the greater good. "It can't be for nothing."
If he is a villain or if that's how the world we'll see it, then fine. I'm sure Joel may be comfortable with his decisions from what he did in the past and in the game. Joel had his reasons to do what he did. Whether it was to do horrible things to others for survival or take back something that the world was gonna take away, of which it had already done before. At the very least he is selfish, but it's a world that'll kill you for nothing and on the other side of the spectrum the world could've maybe been saved. At least it's good food for thought.
His actions twenty years ago don't speak about who we see in the story. I'm sure he did do some terrible things. Had our PC found him at that stage I likely wouldn't have taken a second thought about blowing his brains in multiple directions.
Systematically killing a group of people with the means to defend themselves?.. the fireflies? Who were going to cut open Ellie's head? I can see how that situation could be taken as villian-esque, but I don't agree. I've focused on the fact they were going to kill a defenseless girl.
As for her being willing to give herself to the cause? I almost completely agree. There is evidence to both cases that she would and wouldn't have agreed to give her life for the cause. The fireflies didn't ask.
All irrelevant. I was just curious to hear why switching to her perspective towards the end solidified this idea for Flog, as in: Was it seeing Joel from a different view point? Was it that the game switched the PC, and therefore metaphorically and literally changed who we were "seeing the world" through, and who we should view as the better person? What did the switch do to trigger a confirmation of sorts?
Joel was pretty much dead inside.
Losing his daughter broke something in him.
It took away his purpose.
And without a purpose, a man is lost, and prone to do things they wouldn't ordinarily do.
Elle gave him something and someone to care about.
She helped him find part himself again.
She brought out a kindness and a decency in Joel, that had been buried for two decades.
And when the fireflies were going to take that away from him, I can understand why Joel did what he did.
He had come to see Elle like his own daughter!
And like any father, Joel was willing to did whatever it took to protect her.
Elle is a lesbian?
When I said I like both characters, I meant more story-related wise.
As far as who was more fun a s a playable character, I think Joel was more fun play, mostly because he is a guy, and being a man myself, I could relate to the way he thought.
I liked the rifle the best.
The assault rifle was indeed handy in the hospital.
But overall, I think the hunting rifle was the best.
The only thing I did like about playing as Elle, is that switchblade she carried.
Every time when I needed a melee weapon, I'd have stop and make one, which didn't last to long.
Not so with Elle's switchblade.
Yeah she is. I didn't care for the story to be honest, at the end of the game when Joel saves Ellie I was thinking to myself why did we come in the first place.
Most durable switchblade ever made.
someone who disagrees with you = arrogant user
Ok, I actually really enjoyed the game in the beginning and thought it had a good background story, graphics and I loved my companion Tess. Then she is bitten and makes me promise I will deliver this girl to the Fireflies, to honor her and basically so there was a chance to save the world.
And the ending of the game just completely ruins everything for me. I understand it might be different from the rest of the games playing as what is basically a villain, but I didn't enjoy it at all. We are forced to kill innocent people who are trying to save the world, and it isn't even for a greater good, but to make sure the world won't be saved and so Joel can have Ellie back out of his selfish desires. We also forget about Tess and basically dishonor her dying wish so Joel can be with Ellie (who I didn't even love that much). This is why I prefer Telltale's Games, for example. You can be either a good person or the villain if you prefer, but they don't force us to be either.
seriously get over yourself, people don't have to like it
Nope, just when they're being arrogant.
I never finished the game (I lost interest, I plan to pick it up again when I'm done with some other ones) and my general opinion so far is that I like it, but don't think it's the greatest game ever.
I love the scenery and all the details. It was breathtaking, everything was gorgeous. My biggest gripe was the characters for the exact same reasons as you stated. I felt no connection to Ellie. She was annoying and whiny, and the running into the line of sight thing irked me too. I also found her cursing to be unrealistic for her age. Maybe it was an attempt to make her more edgy and therefore more likable to the target audience. Her "jokes" that apparently are 2cute just didn't feel natural to me- like they were trying to make her sound cute and quirky or whatever.
I liked Joel, I mean there wasn't an incredible amount to not like. I agree that he is a pretty stereotypical badass tough guy. Kind of a vanilla character for me, but I didn't find him unlikable or anything.
I think Everyone'sClemInTime is assuming a lot about you, like that you're an ignorant child (which apparently makes an opinion irrelevant?) and that you are just trying to sound cool. I think you bring up valid points, but a lot of it is also just how you connected/didn't connect with certain things, and that's different for anyone who plays. I personally love the LiS series so far, but I know plenty of people who weren't impressed. People like different things, it would be boring if everyone agreed on everything.
You realize he used the same template as you did, right?
"Dur, The Last of Us is overrated! I think Gone Home is better!" -Butthurt hipster
DUR TLOU IS THE GREATEST GAME EVA ANY1 WHO SAYS OTHER WISE IS WRONG AND SHOULD FEEL BAD DUR DUR DUR-fanboy who thinks their opinion is fact
He only used what you wrote and flipped it back on you. So any arrogance would have to apply to what you wrote in the first place.
Yes, this I realized. Though I never stated any names and never meant it as malicious intent to attack any individual people, he did.
I said this immediately after I used the "butthurt hipster" line to clear up any aggressive recourse it might've cause, little did I know certain members were a bit thick-skulled and thin-skinned and couldn't take a joke.
How about Bryan Cranston?
Given how well he did on the show Breaking Bad, I think he could play, very convincingly, a man who has lost everything he cares about, and that's exactly the type of man that the character Joel is.
Admittedly Mr Cranston is not known for being an action star.
However, given the right setting, I think Bryan could pull it off.
I think the things that would really lend his suitability to playing this character is
A: He is a tremendous actor.
B: He has a good, strong voice, one that carries both emotion, and authority.
C: He has good facial expression, which are truly essential for an actor to convey emotions to the audience.
So his playing Joel would be very believable, in my opinion.
Plus, in the final episode of Breaking Bad, despite wearing glasses, Bryan actually looked like Joel.
What do you think?
I think he would be a better pick than Harrison Ford.
Really?
What would be your reasons why he would be a good pick?
Please tell me, I'm curious.
I've never watched Breaking Bad, but I know the face. He's got a grizzled enough look to him, and you've already given good reasons for his case.
Does the Last of Us come with Mountain Dewritos™ tho?
But in All seriousness, I'm actually interested in the PS4 and if I ever do I will probably get The Last of Us. It's a necessity at this point. It doesn't really have a lot of exclusives though and I already have a capable PC so I'm never really encouraged to make such an expensive purchase. Heck, I'll probably get another 3DS before I'll think of getting a ps4.