Something that's odd...
It's odd that people hate on how no-one died in the big shoot-out scene in season 2. I mean I get WHY they're complaining but we're forgetting one thing... SEASON 1 DID THE EXACT SAME THING! In episode 3, there was a big shoot-out (I guess it MIGHT not be classified as a shoot-out) and no-one died! Although Duck, Katjaa and Carley died (and lily was left behind/drove away) afterwards because of it, you could say that Rebecca died because of Arvos group as we could have tended to her during that time. Ok, let me just clarify that I love Season 1 a LOT (And that's an understatement) and I think Season 2 is just OK. This is just something that I needed to get out there.
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In Season 1 they weren't at point blank with each other and fully automatic weapons and shotguns and shit.
While both can be classified by "shootout", the ambush in Season 2 is quite different. They completely were surrounded, whereas in Season One, they were caught in a brief fire-fight with the bandits that was cut short by walkers. Both of these scenes are very different.
So no, this is not the exact same thing, far from it actually.
Plus they had the upper hand with Lilly in being able to catch the bandits off guard and cover the group from a safe distance.
Even though both were ridiculous I have to say The Russian shootout was a direct insult to our intelligence. Unlike in S1 E3 the Russian shootout happened in very close proximity to the survivors.
The shoot-out in the first season didn't have a months-long cliffhanger that was ultimately resolved in a cowardly fashion.
Or teleportation :P
I can't tell you how many times I've seen that GIF.
Or Matrix moves
There was actual continuity in the bandit raid. Having everyone swap places like a game of musical chairs and end up with different weapons, positions, and then having a sudden disadvantage become an advantage because; hey, you can't see it so you can derive your own logic.
-Clementine panning around the battlefield in the same sequence Saving Private Ryan had without sound and seeing that there was no casualties on our side completely squanders the point of the ideal in the first place.
-Kenny teleporting to a safe spot being a tree, picking off everyone with pinpoint accuracy even though the fucker has one eye and his depth perception should've been shit.
-Clementine having more than enough time to slowly crawl across the middle of a shootout and decide to save a baby or run to cover all without getting a stray.
-AJ somehow ending up like five feet from his mothers lap where he firmly lay not but ten seconds ago.
-Buricko and dick-nut swapping weapons and positions entirely really makes me think that TT were trying to let us know that Clem was caught in a purgatory nightmare. Cause it's literally too dumb for any other explanations for the story.
-And... this goes without saying, but... how and why?
Whatever, bruh
Also, Bonnie managing to take cover... somewhere. Come to think of it, I don't even know where the hell she went
Then Mike managing to run across the battlefield over to the spot Bonnie is at, while also disregarding the baby in the process, even though it's near Bonnie's hiding spot
Then Buricko being in clear view of Kenny, and Kenny being in clear view of Buricko (since Kenny shoots him with ease when he tries to kill Luke) If they could see each other, why didn't they just shoot each other?
Or the other russian guy hiding behind a rock while Kenny is behind a tree, both of which are not more than 10 feet from each other, yet neither manages to even come close to hitting one another
Or Clementine falling down a small distance from Rebecca, despite being right next to her at the end of episode 4
Or Arvo and his sister being 5 feet away from the actual firefight, not even in any relative danger
Characters switch positions slightly during scenes usually, but this scene? This scene doesn't even remotely care where it's characters are. It's like the guy directing it had a fit of power-induced hysteria, where he was all like "Haha! I'm in charge of the episode! That means I can do whatever I want! First order of business: that bald guy doesn't look intimidating enough with an AK-47! And that other guy looks like a moron with that shotgun! So let's put him over here, and that guy there and BAM, FIXED! And Luke is going to go... hmmmm... HERE! And Kenny goes here- NO, THERE!!! YES, BRILLIANT! AND BONNIE IS GOING OVER THERE, AND MIKE IS HERE AND ARVO GOES... WHY OF COURSE! RIGHT THERE! WHY, YOU ASK? BECAUSE FUCK YOU, THAT'S WHY! ALSO, YOU'RE FIRED! ...AND YOU'RE FIRED, TOO! ALL OF YOU ARE FIRED! THIS IS ALMOST TOO MUCH FUN!"
That's one of the best things I've read all day. Made me laugh so much. Have my like!
Hi Bokor.
That scene was the worse in season 2. Telltale decided to use generic Russian bad guys as a cheap obstacle to the group. Also the russian gang would confront the group even if Clem didn't steal the medicine from Arvo. And finally telltale had the perfect opportunity to have the 400 day survivors to be the gang that would of confronted Clem and the group instead of a gang of Russians. Just imagine if the group was surrounded by Tavia,Vince,Wyatt,Russel,Shel and Becca (depending on detriment). That would of been a far more interesting tense scene rather than having them face against the cliche "evil russians."
Hey, I read your re-write of Season 2 on Fanfiction.net. Seriously impressed that you persevered and managed to write something that makes me slightly less bitter about the game!
I don't know, When she beat up Winston, or kicked down the door, those IMO were pretty bad lol.
Just recently? Because I did send you some messages about it back in March and April, but I figured they may have been buried in this "feed" system that sorts private messages and updates to threads you posted on a year ago as of equal importance. That's why I figured I just say hey on actual thread.
Talking to NeophyteRadglare, we both came to the conclusion that the best thing about Season 2 is that it practically invites fans to do better. Between the repeated squandered potential, absurd plot holes, and nonsensical story all contrasting the original game's excellent storytelling, you've got a perfect formula that gives prospective authors both inspiration into what could happen, as well as motivation as the canon story was crafted with such reckless abandon and the bar is set so incredibly low that one can't help but think they'd do better, if just because it's almost impossible to do worse at this point.
You should try your hand at your own rewrite you were thinking about. I could even lend you the Shaffer's cast to serve as the opposing side in the civil war theme you were talking about for your version of Amid the Ruins.
Yeah, I abandoned the forum for the last few months due to school-work and a general sense that I was whipping an undead horse.
Regarding my own re-write - I'd like to, if I weren't constantly busy with work and my own original fiction project. But I do consider your overhaul of Carver's community to be one of the better changes - particularly the child characters you added in.
It'd be interesting to see a fanfic that follows a "realistic" conclusion to Amid The Ruins' cliffhanger i.e. everybody except Clem dies instantly. Sure, people would cry foul, but that's what happens when you resort to something as hackish as a "Russian Standoff" in the first place!
And if you only got Bonnie to go to Howes, then only Tavia would be at the shoot-out with a shotgun in one hand and an AK in the other!
The shootout in S1 it was more believable that no one got shot...in S2 it was damn near impossible, yet no one dies, except for Natasha