I think you're missing a major point that I've been trying to communicate here. Like, there's some sort of loop we're going in. I'll try to end this particular conversation shortly, but I'll reiterate again very quickly;
A fourth of the fanbase doesn't like Fiona. That means that, as a protagonist, she's failed to appeal to the vast majority of players, as most protagonists in Telltale have in the past. I think that Telltale should make her do something in future episodes so that she develops into someone more likeable. That way, everyone is happy. Is that manipulative of me to be saying?
Okay, first of all she is not 'unlikeable' at least not according to the majority of players, just to you and secondly, why should they even… more change anything about her?? She is fine the way she is, and they probably intended to make her just like that. Also, you are speaking as if the writers MUST change something, again your own reason.
Hey, yeah, I agree with that... and imagine if the genders were reversed, without any other change... Wouldn't it be great to have a douchebag Jack-loving female Hyperion employee as a protagonist? I kind of think that's where the problem lies... that the 'Rhys' and Vaughns are always guys, and the Fionas and Sashas are always girls...
It's just personal preferences, there's nothing to do about it. I feel somewhat like you, but I just like Rhys more than others. Because no … morematter how awful Hyperion is, it's interesting. Jack is interesting. And like that, Rhys is interesting. It's very hard to beat all that with a story of some Pandoran natives trying to get rich. It's just Fiona and Sasha got the short end of the stick in this. They just can't compete.
I wrote according to the majority of players, that's obviously not the majority..and it's nice how you jump to conclusions just from the results of your poll (were the five choices that basically say the same thing really necessary??), which is not an indicator of anything... but nevermind I don't want to argue about this, it's trivial to me.
I wrote according to the majority of players, that's obviously not the majority..
You said it was "just me", too. This percentage has been fluctuating between 23-26%, both of which are huge chunks of the active fanbase, majority or not.
(were the five choices that basically say the same thing really necessary??)
They don't say the same thing; the severity of each statement is slightly different. It was to gauge the extent to which people like/dislike her.
just from the results of your poll, which is not an indicator of anything...
I don't get how such a considerable percentage of people disliking a central character isn't an indicator of anything, but alright. Argument's over.
I wrote according to the majority of players, that's obviously not the majority..and it's nice how you jump to conclusions just from the res… moreults of your poll (were the five choices that basically say the same thing really necessary??), which is not an indicator of anything... but nevermind I don't want to argue about this, it's trivial to me.
For it to work so smoothly Jack should also be a woman, otherwise it would've destroyed all that Handsome Rhys parallels. And yep, that's where the problem starts. We can have badass female characters in BL (like, so many of them - soldiers, vault hunters, scientists, sirens, now bandit's bosses like Vallory), but they're still can't be the core of the events and the story. It still has to be Jack, still has to be a guy. I know Gearbox and Telltale are trying, but it's still like that. I don't really blame anyone and can't even say why it's like that for sure. All the best parts are still given to "Rhys and Vaughn" guys. It seems it's not something that can be so easily resisted. I'd even say, if they gave those roles to Sasha and Fiona, it would've been even worse. People would've called it "feminist propaganda" and rage even more, like they do with the new Mad Max and DAI. People are literally complaining there are "too many women" and they're playing badass roles which is "not realistic" and they don't like it.
Hey, yeah, I agree with that... and imagine if the genders were reversed, without any other change... Wouldn't it be great to have a doucheb… moreag Jack-loving female Hyperion employee as a protagonist? I kind of think that's where the problem lies... that the 'Rhys' and Vaughns are always guys, and the Fionas and Sashas are always girls...
Well, considering stuff like Mad Max and DAI is being made after all, and making a decent amount of money, things are heading in the right direction despite the resistance. Not too long ago this wouldn't have been possible, and I hear a lot of encouraging words from celebrities these days, so maybe we can expect a female Rhys sometime soon...
For it to work so smoothly Jack should also be a woman, otherwise it would've destroyed all that Handsome Rhys parallels. And yep, that's wh… moreere the problem starts. We can have badass female characters in BL (like, so many of them - soldiers, vault hunters, scientists, sirens, now bandit's bosses like Vallory), but they're still can't be the core of the events and the story. It still has to be Jack, still has to be a guy. I know Gearbox and Telltale are trying, but it's still like that. I don't really blame anyone and can't even say why it's like that for sure. All the best parts are still given to "Rhys and Vaughn" guys. It seems it's not something that can be so easily resisted. I'd even say, if they gave those roles to Sasha and Fiona, it would've been even worse. People would've called it "feminist propaganda" and rage even more, like they do with the new Mad Max and DAI. People are literally complaining there are "too many women" and they're playing badass roles which is "not realistic" and they don't like it.
Do people really not like Fiona because shes not nice to people? (I'm seeing the examples being mostly her acting antagonistic towards Rhys in the present.) Okay I like Rhys, he's a loser nerd baby and I say that with affection. But Sasha and Fiona are the more savvy survivors of the four man band, and they have more reason to be shitty to the tag along Hyperion. You can have her be nice to Vaughn in episode 1, you can have her save HIM instead of going for the money. Which is probably the most heroic thing anyone does in Episode 1. Then there's the option to warn Felix about the case so he lives? Another completely sincere moment. She can also have Sasha help Rhys with the flying Skaggs instead of herself when they're trying to escape the Rakk Hive. Oh also....did people kinda forget she tried to pull Rhys and Vaughn back into the Caravan at risk of flying out with them?! She kept the guys ugly ass shoe for heavens sake! Just because shes not more obvious with her nice points doesn't mean they're not there. Hell the more obvious one was her throwing Rhys a bone with that 'we're friends' line
As for people saying you can't play Fiona as 'mean' as Rhys.
First playable scene with Fiona you can have her rob a dying man.
In episode one you can hit Shade just like Rhys did, and tell him to get lost when he wants to go through the vent with you. That's a 'dick' option that DOES have consequences because Shade FUCKING DIES if you do that.
You can go for the money instead of helping Vaughn in the race.
You can have her not only con Scooter out of giving them a free repair job, but also mooch 1000 dollars out of him, and I'm pretty sure she has no plans to ever race again so yeah that seems pretty low. (we don't know if this will have negative consequences yet but it did say Scooter will remember that)
You can also straight up tell August he was an idiot for falling for Sasha and rub it in his face at the end of Episode 2.
It's okay to not like Fiona, it is. I just don't think shes a badly made character, or that it's the writers fault.
Can we drop the personal attacks? I was hoping you guys would be mature enough to be civil here, and the thread was starting off pretty well… more, but I've been accused of being manipulative, sexist, selfish... Man, all I'm saying is that I don't like Fiona and that Telltale should consider our opinions in their later episodes. To be honest, it's kind of funny to watch people get so riled up over this, but I don't want this thread to get derailed. Let's bring things down a notch.
Do people really not like Fiona because shes not nice to people? (I'm seeing the examples being mostly her acting antagonistic towards Rhys in the present.)
... No? That's not really what these people are saying, and it's far-off from what I'm saying.
She can be evil. She can loot dying men. She can murder. Great, that's okay. It's just that there are other elements of her character that disappoint me, and make it difficult for me to relate to her. I tried to make that especially clear in the OP.
EDIT: Forgot to mention; I disagree with the hatred for her for simply disliking Rhys, but that isn't them hating her because she's rude, it's them hating her because she antagonizes their favorite character.
EDIT NUMERO DOS: Dang, I also forgot to ask: why'd you reply to that comment? Why not just reply to the thread itself?
Do people really not like Fiona because shes not nice to people? (I'm seeing the examples being mostly her acting antagonistic towards Rhys … morein the present.) Okay I like Rhys, he's a loser nerd baby and I say that with affection. But Sasha and Fiona are the more savvy survivors of the four man band, and they have more reason to be shitty to the tag along Hyperion. You can have her be nice to Vaughn in episode 1, you can have her save HIM instead of going for the money. Which is probably the most heroic thing anyone does in Episode 1. Then there's the option to warn Felix about the case so he lives? Another completely sincere moment. She can also have Sasha help Rhys with the flying Skaggs instead of herself when they're trying to escape the Rakk Hive. Oh also....did people kinda forget she tried to pull Rhys and Vaughn back into the Caravan at risk of flying out with them?! She kept the guys ugly ass shoe for heavens sake! Just because shes no… [view original content]
Oh, I agree completely. Though, i will admit, I have chuckled at the guys abuse.
I play Fiona more subdued but I agree, her personality is at its strongest when she's angry. But i feel like that's a cheap cop out. Most people personalities are at their strongest when angry. So to me, even those moments aren't really satisfying
Ha, I guess I've been subliminally indoctrinated by Handsome Jack or something, because 'Pandorans' to me equals 'mostly bandits and murdero… moreus midgets', so despite (or because of?) playing both BL2 and TPS I just can't view the plot as a black vs. white conflict... It's 'greedy corporation' vs. 'greedy savages' to me, so I guess I'm seeing the girls being given more leeway from a different standpoint.
On topic, I do like some scenes with Fiona, but the thing is, I only usually like the one option... like, with Felix, I'm only satisfied with shooting him/letting him blow up. 'Choke on it' feels in character for my Fiona. That's one moment where her personality feels strong to me. But, yea, she gets few options like that. Rhys is just more flexible.
Or, you know, it's just me and I'm a sociopath.
I don't know if either of these comments apply to me, but I was the last to mention I didn't like the way she acted in the present, so I'm assuming so.
Do people really not like Fiona because shes not nice to people? (I'm seeing the examples being mostly her acting antagonistic towards Rhys in the present.)
It's not that she's not nice to people. I play a rude Fiona sometimes, and she can definitely be nice too. In the present I do have a problem but it's less about her being not nice and more about her attitude in general.
Forgot to mention; I disagree with the hatred for her for simply disliking Rhys, but that isn't them hating her because she's rude, it's them hating her because she antagonizes their favorite character.
I don't hate her for disliking Rhys (I love Sasha and she disliked Rhys too). I don't hate her at all. It's mostly because I don't know why she's being antagonistic and I'm not very sympathetic to her character in the present. At least I knew why with Sasha.
Do people really not like Fiona because shes not nice to people? (I'm seeing the examples being mostly her acting antagonistic towards Rhys … morein the present.)
... No? That's not really what these people are saying, and it's far-off from what I'm saying.
She can be evil. She can loot dying men. She can murder. Great, that's okay. It's just that there are other elements of her character that disappoint me, and make it difficult for me to relate to her. I tried to make that especially clear in the OP.
EDIT: Forgot to mention; I disagree with the hatred for her for simply disliking Rhys, but that isn't them hating her because she's rude, it's them hating her because she antagonizes their favorite character.
EDIT NUMERO DOS: Dang, I also forgot to ask: why'd you reply to that comment? Why not just reply to the thread itself?
Do people really not like Fiona because shes not nice to people? (I'm seeing the examples being mostly her acting antagonistic towards Rhys … morein the present.)
... No? That's not really what these people are saying, and it's far-off from what I'm saying.
She can be evil. She can loot dying men. She can murder. Great, that's okay. It's just that there are other elements of her character that disappoint me, and make it difficult for me to relate to her. I tried to make that especially clear in the OP.
EDIT: Forgot to mention; I disagree with the hatred for her for simply disliking Rhys, but that isn't them hating her because she's rude, it's them hating her because she antagonizes their favorite character.
EDIT NUMERO DOS: Dang, I also forgot to ask: why'd you reply to that comment? Why not just reply to the thread itself?
I think you're missing a major point that I've been trying to communicate here. Like, there's some sort of loop we're going in. I'll try to … moreend this particular conversation shortly, but I'll reiterate again very quickly;
A fourth of the fanbase doesn't like Fiona. That means that, as a protagonist, she's failed to appeal to the vast majority of players, as most protagonists in Telltale have in the past. I think that Telltale should make her do something in future episodes so that she develops into someone more likeable. That way, everyone is happy. Is that manipulative of me to be saying?
She can be, but the way she goes about it bothers me. Beyond the lines, the delivery/tone of the voice actor probably does a lot of that for me.
And no, it doesn't have to do with her being a girl. Sasha is fun and playful when she's cocky. Fiona gives the impression of being, well... a tryhard, for a lack of better words.
It's a criticism of Telltale's writing and a request to consider the opinions of certain fans. It's not "hating" on Telltale; would you rather this be some sort of 1984 forum where we're not allowed to say ANYTHING bad about Telltale's content? It's not my fault that people are resorting to insults and the like.
You know that same characteristics could be placed on both due to how the game allows the player to choose the characters response in certain situations
Anyway, I like Fiona so far; To me she behaves similar to people growing up on Pandora that is not driven completely mad. However, we have not seen the entire game as of yet... so to pass judgement on her character after two episodes that had more Rhys screen-time seems a bit odd.
I have only one sentence to say. LONG LIVE FIONA!!! She will take the all the treasure in the vault and live Rhys with nothing. Because he accidentaly kill Sasha. (Yes this is what I think it will happen)
nah, fiona is cool.
I play her as awkward as possible and i love it!
BUT I do not like Sasha very much.
she is the perfect girl without any big flaws and personally I think this is reeaaaaallly boring.
lets see maybe this will change in the next episodes.
okay from my understanding, the creator of this thread wants them to change a character they personally don't like, ignoring the people that do in fact like her and probably don't want her established personality traits messed with in some weird recon. Seriously what about the people who like Fiona the way she is? Like what if you got your wish and she got all the character traits we like written out of her, then what? Tough beans? As long as you and the other 'certain' fans are happy that's cool? I guess your logic would be 'well those other people liked a badly written character so who cares if they're disappointed.'
You can't just be 'I don't like Fiona but it's cool if you do' and move on? Instead you gotta make a thread and basically use the most unflattering language to describe Fiona under the guise that she's a badly made character because you personally do not like her? Then come off as completely offended when other people don't agree with your opinions and point out the INSANELY problematic reasoning in your original post?
Yes your opinion is an opinion, So is mine, they are neither higher or lower in terms of importance. But I generally don't want Telltale to even consider this thread, for the sake of the Fiona fans you are basically shitting on with it.
Also I like her voice, one of the things I like about the BL series is all the female characters sound dramatically different. If you grew up watching dubbed anime you understand why this is important to me. A laxed voice that sounds like it could come from a 29 year old woman is a nice change from everyone sounding like they're hyper teenagers.
Let's calm down a little here. I don't get why the forum has to take this all so personally.
There are subtle ways to change her; it's too late to "retcon" her personality, and I NEVER suggested they do that. That wouldn't make sense. At all. It could just be an event that justifies her a bit more, or something to make her less of a gun-toting "badass" and more of a heroic badass. I want something to happen to develop her and make her more likeable. That's all; I'm not saying some DRASTIC change is made to her character. Though the voice will be a perpetual turnoff for me.
Then come off as completely offended when other people don't agree with your opinions and point out the INSANELY problematic reasoning in your original post?
I'm not offended. I just don't get why some of you are taking things to personal attacks.
okay from my understanding, the creator of this thread wants them to change a character they personally don't like, ignoring the people that… more do in fact like her and probably don't want her established personality traits messed with in some weird recon. Seriously what about the people who like Fiona the way she is? Like what if you got your wish and she got all the character traits we like written out of her, then what? Tough beans? As long as you and the other 'certain' fans are happy that's cool? I guess your logic would be 'well those other people liked a badly written character so who cares if they're disappointed.'
You can't just be 'I don't like Fiona but it's cool if you do' and move on? Instead you gotta make a thread and basically use the most unflattering language to describe Fiona under the guise that she's a badly made character because you personally do not like her? Then come off as completely offended when other people don't … [view original content]
Yeah, I see what you're saying. She's failed to fufill my sexual ideals in women like my other favorite female videogame characters have, such as Clementine, the 2nd grader, or Holly, the ten-foot troll, or Lili, the psychic 10 year old. You got me; this was all a part of some patriarchal attempt to shit all over women.
But seriously, why are you taking this so personally? I don't like the video game character that you like. You're leaping to some weird conclusions, man. I don't get why the community here has to be so toxic when a guy shares their opinion.
I don't know what makes you think that, with 100% certainty, you understand what's going on inside my head. Makes absolutely no sense. Gives me a good idea of why I should stop talking to you.
Yeah, I see what you're saying. She's failed to fufill my sexual ideals in women like my other favorite female videogame characters have, such as Clementine, the 2nd grader, or Holly, the ten-foot troll, or Lili, the psychic 10 year old. You got me; this was all a part of some patriarchal attempt to shit all over women.
AHA! I knew that you had an ulterior motive! But now your plans are in ruins because of those meddling kids, You're done for old man Piggs!
But jokes aside yeah some people here that that way too seriously, when I read some comments I don't know whatever to laugh or cry. People get worked over nothing really but on the other hand the internet fight is amusing as hell so I guess I'll continie to watch your struggle Piggs
Yeah, I see what you're saying. She's failed to fufill my sexual ideals in women like my other favorite female videogame characters have, su… morech as Clementine, the 2nd grader, or Holly, the ten-foot troll, or Lili, the psychic 10 year old. You got me; this was all a part of some patriarchal attempt to shit all over women.
But seriously, why are you taking this so personally? I don't like the video game character that you like. You're leaping to some weird conclusions, man. I don't get why the community here has to be so toxic when a guy shares their opinion.
"they can threaten the male heroes with death cause they're girls, but if Rhys and Vaughn did that they'd cross the moral event horizon, so they're limited to being petty, and that annoys me."
THIS
I do kinda agree with you. I'm female and I love playing badass female characters, but, like you, I don't feel I relate to Fiona all that mu… morech. It seems to me that most of her responses are just various shades of flippant, and that we're supposed to enjoy that, but I personally don't. Rhys can at least be either friendly or a total douchebag, and I do love me some douchebaggery... Come on, one of my very favorite player characters is renegade!femshep.
Idk.. It also feels like Rhys' brand of jerkass is more lighthearted and funny and therefore fits the tone better? Options like 'who called the waaahmbulance' just amuse me more than 'let's push these people out of the speeding vehicle so they die, hahaha'. I guess I just don't find Fiona and Sasha's attitudes all that funny or appealing. Also, it does kind of stink of the double standard where they can threaten the male heroes with death cause they're girls, but if Rhys and Vaughn did that t… [view original content]
No matter how much you've tried, they won't be as popular anyway. It's just the way it works.
That's wrong.
Lilith is the most popu… morelar borderlands 1 main character, as an example.
Last official character popularity contest had Lilith, Torgue, Tiny Tina and Moxxi as winners, Lilith even won against Handsome Jack, the one character that singlehandedly carried borderlands 2.
I kinda like Fiona btw, not my favourite charcter but i don't dislike her.
Not Lilith tho, i really bloody hate her. She's even the only female character i dislike, i even quite liked Janey Springs from the pre sequel, Sasha from tales, Jack's fascist puppy-strangling girlfriend from BL2 and Steele too was kinda fun, but holy shit, do i hate Lilith.
Must've been the pre sequel, she's basically the main villain in there.
I avoided commenting on this one for a while, because, well, I like Fiona. But I feel like she could be more interesting so I guess I'm glad you said something?
Fiona as a main character is underwhelming at this point in the story and I really hope telltale can do something with her so she lives up to Rhys' half. Her sections made her seem uninteresting in comparison particularly in episode 2. The scene with Athena and Janey was great, but it's easy to miss because it made more sense to keep the gang together... And honestly, I like Sasha more than Fiona because her personality is more engaging. Fiona in present scenes is also more entertaining to me, I actually like seeing her be angry and sassy because it's pretty funny... But I guess that's an unpopular opinion. Telltale can't easily please everyone, but I think they should give Fiona something more to help her keep up with the other main character. It's not an extreme polarization of interest but it could be improved.
Ye i'm replaying BL2 at the moment and she's fine, a bit of a mary sue but otherwise fine. Don't remember much about the first game, tho i recall it barely had any pc development (they were basically all mute).
Rhys provides more of the comic relief but Fiona might be my favorite character. It's hard to choose between them though. I think overall Telltale did a great job with the two lead characters.
Personally I like Fiona a lot, more than Rhys sure, but I understand why some people might not like her.
Playing as a not-vault-hunter-Pandorian should be as crazy and interest as the planet itself and yet her story is a bit dull in comparison to Rhys' (Maybe bc because competing with a Handsome Jack hologram is almost impossible for anyone but I dunno). It's almost as if the writers put all their cards on the Hyperion dudes.
Fiona has wanted posters all over the planet and bounty hunters are after her head and yet we have almost zero back story. We also don't know much about her -she likes money and lover her lil sis, and that's it- I hope this is fixed in future episodes. I still like her, but I agree that she might feel a bit 'meh' at times.
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I think you're missing a major point that I've been trying to communicate here. Like, there's some sort of loop we're going in. I'll try to end this particular conversation shortly, but I'll reiterate again very quickly;
A fourth of the fanbase doesn't like Fiona. That means that, as a protagonist, she's failed to appeal to the vast majority of players, as most protagonists in Telltale have in the past. I think that Telltale should make her do something in future episodes so that she develops into someone more likeable. That way, everyone is happy. Is that manipulative of me to be saying?
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Whew. Buddy. 23% of the active fanbase, or 70 people, agree with me. That isn't "just me".
Hey, yeah, I agree with that... and imagine if the genders were reversed, without any other change... Wouldn't it be great to have a douchebag Jack-loving female Hyperion employee as a protagonist? I kind of think that's where the problem lies... that the 'Rhys' and Vaughns are always guys, and the Fionas and Sashas are always girls...
I wrote according to the majority of players, that's obviously not the majority..and it's nice how you jump to conclusions just from the results of your poll (were the five choices that basically say the same thing really necessary??), which is not an indicator of anything... but nevermind I don't want to argue about this, it's trivial to me.
You said it was "just me", too. This percentage has been fluctuating between 23-26%, both of which are huge chunks of the active fanbase, majority or not.
They don't say the same thing; the severity of each statement is slightly different. It was to gauge the extent to which people like/dislike her.
I don't get how such a considerable percentage of people disliking a central character isn't an indicator of anything, but alright. Argument's over.
For it to work so smoothly Jack should also be a woman, otherwise it would've destroyed all that Handsome Rhys parallels. And yep, that's where the problem starts. We can have badass female characters in BL (like, so many of them - soldiers, vault hunters, scientists, sirens, now bandit's bosses like Vallory), but they're still can't be the core of the events and the story. It still has to be Jack, still has to be a guy. I know Gearbox and Telltale are trying, but it's still like that. I don't really blame anyone and can't even say why it's like that for sure. All the best parts are still given to "Rhys and Vaughn" guys. It seems it's not something that can be so easily resisted. I'd even say, if they gave those roles to Sasha and Fiona, it would've been even worse. People would've called it "feminist propaganda" and rage even more, like they do with the new Mad Max and DAI. People are literally complaining there are "too many women" and they're playing badass roles which is "not realistic" and they don't like it.
Well, considering stuff like Mad Max and DAI is being made after all, and making a decent amount of money, things are heading in the right direction despite the resistance. Not too long ago this wouldn't have been possible, and I hear a lot of encouraging words from celebrities these days, so maybe we can expect a female Rhys sometime soon...
Do people really not like Fiona because shes not nice to people? (I'm seeing the examples being mostly her acting antagonistic towards Rhys in the present.) Okay I like Rhys, he's a loser nerd baby and I say that with affection. But Sasha and Fiona are the more savvy survivors of the four man band, and they have more reason to be shitty to the tag along Hyperion. You can have her be nice to Vaughn in episode 1, you can have her save HIM instead of going for the money. Which is probably the most heroic thing anyone does in Episode 1. Then there's the option to warn Felix about the case so he lives? Another completely sincere moment. She can also have Sasha help Rhys with the flying Skaggs instead of herself when they're trying to escape the Rakk Hive. Oh also....did people kinda forget she tried to pull Rhys and Vaughn back into the Caravan at risk of flying out with them?! She kept the guys ugly ass shoe for heavens sake! Just because shes not more obvious with her nice points doesn't mean they're not there. Hell the more obvious one was her throwing Rhys a bone with that 'we're friends' line
As for people saying you can't play Fiona as 'mean' as Rhys.
First playable scene with Fiona you can have her rob a dying man.
In episode one you can hit Shade just like Rhys did, and tell him to get lost when he wants to go through the vent with you. That's a 'dick' option that DOES have consequences because Shade FUCKING DIES if you do that.
You can go for the money instead of helping Vaughn in the race.
You can have her not only con Scooter out of giving them a free repair job, but also mooch 1000 dollars out of him, and I'm pretty sure she has no plans to ever race again so yeah that seems pretty low. (we don't know if this will have negative consequences yet but it did say Scooter will remember that)
You can also straight up tell August he was an idiot for falling for Sasha and rub it in his face at the end of Episode 2.
It's okay to not like Fiona, it is. I just don't think shes a badly made character, or that it's the writers fault.
... No? That's not really what these people are saying, and it's far-off from what I'm saying.
She can be evil. She can loot dying men. She can murder. Great, that's okay. It's just that there are other elements of her character that disappoint me, and make it difficult for me to relate to her. I tried to make that especially clear in the OP.
EDIT: Forgot to mention; I disagree with the hatred for her for simply disliking Rhys, but that isn't them hating her because she's rude, it's them hating her because she antagonizes their favorite character.
EDIT NUMERO DOS: Dang, I also forgot to ask: why'd you reply to that comment? Why not just reply to the thread itself?
I like fionna BUT BOY I LIKE RHYS SO MUCH BETTER
Oh, I agree completely. Though, i will admit, I have chuckled at the guys abuse.
I play Fiona more subdued but I agree, her personality is at its strongest when she's angry. But i feel like that's a cheap cop out. Most people personalities are at their strongest when angry. So to me, even those moments aren't really satisfying
I don't know if either of these comments apply to me, but I was the last to mention I didn't like the way she acted in the present, so I'm assuming so.
It's not that she's not nice to people. I play a rude Fiona sometimes, and she can definitely be nice too. In the present I do have a problem but it's less about her being not nice and more about her attitude in general.
I don't hate her for disliking Rhys (I love Sasha and she disliked Rhys too). I don't hate her at all. It's mostly because I don't know why she's being antagonistic and I'm not very sympathetic to her character in the present. At least I knew why with Sasha.
She just can't be cocky about it?
Andddd I probably clicked the wrong reply button, may bad.
.....Well, she's already likeable to me, sooo.......I don't know, can they?
Yeah, that's part of the problem. Playing as Fiona sometimes just makes me anxious to hurry up and get back to Rhys.
Yes. Because there's more to the fanbase than you for them to appeal to.
She can be, but the way she goes about it bothers me. Beyond the lines, the delivery/tone of the voice actor probably does a lot of that for me.
And no, it doesn't have to do with her being a girl. Sasha is fun and playful when she's cocky. Fiona gives the impression of being, well... a tryhard, for a lack of better words.
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... Why would they remove a thread because I have an opinion? Holy shit, guys.
Because its just a hating on Telltale and causing arguments
It's a criticism of Telltale's writing and a request to consider the opinions of certain fans. It's not "hating" on Telltale; would you rather this be some sort of 1984 forum where we're not allowed to say ANYTHING bad about Telltale's content? It's not my fault that people are resorting to insults and the like.
You know that same characteristics could be placed on both due to how the game allows the player to choose the characters response in certain situations
Anyway, I like Fiona so far; To me she behaves similar to people growing up on Pandora that is not driven completely mad. However, we have not seen the entire game as of yet... so to pass judgement on her character after two episodes that had more Rhys screen-time seems a bit odd.
I have only one sentence to say. LONG LIVE FIONA!!! She will take the all the treasure in the vault and live Rhys with nothing. Because he accidentaly kill Sasha. (Yes this is what I think it will happen)
nah, fiona is cool.
I play her as awkward as possible and i love it!
BUT I do not like Sasha very much.
she is the perfect girl without any big flaws and personally I think this is reeaaaaallly boring.
lets see maybe this will change in the next episodes.
okay from my understanding, the creator of this thread wants them to change a character they personally don't like, ignoring the people that do in fact like her and probably don't want her established personality traits messed with in some weird recon. Seriously what about the people who like Fiona the way she is? Like what if you got your wish and she got all the character traits we like written out of her, then what? Tough beans? As long as you and the other 'certain' fans are happy that's cool? I guess your logic would be 'well those other people liked a badly written character so who cares if they're disappointed.'
You can't just be 'I don't like Fiona but it's cool if you do' and move on? Instead you gotta make a thread and basically use the most unflattering language to describe Fiona under the guise that she's a badly made character because you personally do not like her? Then come off as completely offended when other people don't agree with your opinions and point out the INSANELY problematic reasoning in your original post?
Yes your opinion is an opinion, So is mine, they are neither higher or lower in terms of importance. But I generally don't want Telltale to even consider this thread, for the sake of the Fiona fans you are basically shitting on with it.
Also I like her voice, one of the things I like about the BL series is all the female characters sound dramatically different. If you grew up watching dubbed anime you understand why this is important to me. A laxed voice that sounds like it could come from a 29 year old woman is a nice change from everyone sounding like they're hyper teenagers.
Your mother must be proud of you.
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Let's calm down a little here. I don't get why the forum has to take this all so personally.
There are subtle ways to change her; it's too late to "retcon" her personality, and I NEVER suggested they do that. That wouldn't make sense. At all. It could just be an event that justifies her a bit more, or something to make her less of a gun-toting "badass" and more of a heroic badass. I want something to happen to develop her and make her more likeable. That's all; I'm not saying some DRASTIC change is made to her character. Though the voice will be a perpetual turnoff for me.
I'm not offended. I just don't get why some of you are taking things to personal attacks.
Yeah, I see what you're saying. She's failed to fufill my sexual ideals in women like my other favorite female videogame characters have, such as Clementine, the 2nd grader, or Holly, the ten-foot troll, or Lili, the psychic 10 year old. You got me; this was all a part of some patriarchal attempt to shit all over women.
But seriously, why are you taking this so personally? I don't like the video game character that you like. You're leaping to some weird conclusions, man. I don't get why the community here has to be so toxic when a guy shares their opinion.
I don't know what makes you think that, with 100% certainty, you understand what's going on inside my head. Makes absolutely no sense. Gives me a good idea of why I should stop talking to you.
Please stop derailing my thread.
AHA! I knew that you had an ulterior motive! But now your plans are in ruins because of those meddling kids, You're done for old man Piggs!
But jokes aside yeah some people here that that way too seriously, when I read some comments I don't know whatever to laugh or cry. People get worked over nothing really but on the other hand the internet fight is amusing as hell so I guess I'll continie to watch your struggle Piggs
Good Luck
"they can threaten the male heroes with death cause they're girls, but if Rhys and Vaughn did that they'd cross the moral event horizon, so they're limited to being petty, and that annoys me."
THIS
lilith was ment to be a bitch from the first game, so they did a good job. in borderlands 2 it was reduced a bit
I avoided commenting on this one for a while, because, well, I like Fiona. But I feel like she could be more interesting so I guess I'm glad you said something?
Fiona as a main character is underwhelming at this point in the story and I really hope telltale can do something with her so she lives up to Rhys' half. Her sections made her seem uninteresting in comparison particularly in episode 2. The scene with Athena and Janey was great, but it's easy to miss because it made more sense to keep the gang together... And honestly, I like Sasha more than Fiona because her personality is more engaging. Fiona in present scenes is also more entertaining to me, I actually like seeing her be angry and sassy because it's pretty funny... But I guess that's an unpopular opinion. Telltale can't easily please everyone, but I think they should give Fiona something more to help her keep up with the other main character. It's not an extreme polarization of interest but it could be improved.
Ye i'm replaying BL2 at the moment and she's fine, a bit of a mary sue but otherwise fine. Don't remember much about the first game, tho i recall it barely had any pc development (they were basically all mute).
Here's something mildly interesting. I posted pretty much the exact same thread on Steam to see if there was some hugely differing demographic there that might affect the results, but nope. The results are about the same.
Fiona is awesome.
Rhys provides more of the comic relief but Fiona might be my favorite character. It's hard to choose between them though. I think overall Telltale did a great job with the two lead characters.
I also like Fiona more than Sasha.
Personally I like Fiona a lot, more than Rhys sure, but I understand why some people might not like her.
Playing as a not-vault-hunter-Pandorian should be as crazy and interest as the planet itself and yet her story is a bit dull in comparison to Rhys' (Maybe bc because competing with a Handsome Jack hologram is almost impossible for anyone but I dunno). It's almost as if the writers put all their cards on the Hyperion dudes.
Fiona has wanted posters all over the planet and bounty hunters are after her head and yet we have almost zero back story. We also don't know much about her -she likes money and lover her lil sis, and that's it- I hope this is fixed in future episodes. I still like her, but I agree that she might feel a bit 'meh' at times.
We don't shut down threads where people express opinions. That would be intolerant and disrespectful.