Cubs dying is part of the natural world. In some places in Africa the mortality rate for lion cubs is around 50%.
In that his case if the cubs are killed it would have been triggered by the death of Cecil, but cubs are often killed by rival predators like hyenas or leopards. The animals hunted by lions will also kill cubs if they stumble across them. Buffalo for example are big threat to cubs. Coalitions of male lions will also typically kill the cubs when taking over a pride, because it causes the females to go into heat. The new males then mate with them and produce new cubs, with their genes.
Jericho, the coalition partner of Cecil has been confirmed to be still alive (it's been clarified that Jericho is not blood related to Cecil, but is the protector of Cecil's cubs, as male lions work in coalition with each other to protect the females and cubs from threats and outsider male lions).
So, thankfully, the chance of survival of the cubs is greater than it was feared (as without Jericho, the chance of survival of the cubs would be pretty much zero).
I just find it Hilarious how the world is literally going to shit, A Rapture Scare is upon us, America is being run into the ground, This Confederate Flag BS is still going on, The cops Are killing people, There are natural disasters happening everywhere, And in the Midst of all of that, People are worried about a fucking Lion. And I get that the Species in endangered, But come on. Do people cook and eat Lions, or sell them on store shelves? No. So they aren't that Important to survival in my Opinion.
And sure, We can try to save the species, But I think Saving ourselves should come first.
With Obama's failures he let Isis Grow into what it became today. You can blame him. You can blame him for taking all the sacrifice people gave for iraq, and piss it away like it meant nothing.
People are not ignoring that. There's plenty of news coverage and outrage in the comments of those news stories over ISIS forcing children … moreto behead their own family (plus twitter is full of tweets, and Facebook is full of posts, about the horrors of forcing children to join ISIS and perform terrible acts).
Although, I agree, it's something to be more enraged about, as it's happening way too frequently, but unlike the situation with Cecil the Lion public outrage won't do much as ISIS isn't open to discussions of extradition (unlike the situation with Zimbabwe and the US), and the people who forced the children to join ISIS aren't known (and even if they were, going in and getting them is nigh impossible at this point).
Everyone is freaking out about this one lion. You guys are upset, all i am saying is take that emotion and do something positive about it. Plant a tree, go vegan, whatever.
In the end of the day, he made a mistake. We are not perfect, anyone who feels they are perfect can judge them, for they will be judged in the end. It was a animal, that had already lived a majority of its life. The animal probably would of died naturally in the next two years, because the average lifespan is 14, and he was thirteen years old.
I'm not trying to downplay his mistake, but i don't see it as this horrible action this man has done. Imagine having a hobby you enjoy, investing a lot of money into doing something you been wanting to do your entire life, then it all blow up in your face. I honestly feel sorry for the dentist.
That I can agree on. There's all these crazy famous people giving out his home address while I don't think one has put up a link to donate to endangered animals. He still deserves the hate in my opinion.
Jimmy Kimmel is a white privileged male, who never had to hunt to eat, so what does he know about anything?
If you never lived that life, you won't understand. He just sits in his hollywood mansion, having carloads of meat courried in, they bitches about hunters. What a hypocrite joke.
It's actually been going up tremendously since Jimmy Kimmel asked people to donate. They had 2600 people make over $155,000 in donations as… more of three days after Jimmy Kimmel's broadcast. It's sure to go up even more now that Tom Kaplan made his pledge to match donations.
We cant save our species, like you said there is too much going on, so I dont think its crazy that people are upset about a protected animal being lured out so he can be killed as a trophy. I personally find it disgusting, but I, along with the rest of the world, will have something else to be upset about tomorrow. At least people care about a living creature which seems all too rare these days.
I just find it Hilarious how the world is literally going to shit, A Rapture Scare is upon us, America is being run into the ground, This Co… morenfederate Flag BS is still going on, The cops Are killing people, There are natural disasters happening everywhere, And in the Midst of all of that, People are worried about a fucking Lion. And I get that the Species in endangered, But come on. Do people cook and eat Lions, or sell them on store shelves? No. So they aren't that Important to survival in my Opinion.
And sure, We can try to save the species, But I think Saving ourselves should come first.
Im glad to hear that. I know nature is cruel and uncompromising and death is the order of things, as Scaeva pointed out, but I cant help but feel a little better thinking that those cubs at least get a chance. And i learned some facts. I didnt know lions formed coalitions, thats actually pretty interesting.
Jericho, the coalition partner of Cecil has been confirmed to be still alive (it's been clarified that Jericho is not blood related to Cecil… more, but is the protector of Cecil's cubs, as male lions work in coalition with each other to protect the females and cubs from threats and outsider male lions).
So, thankfully, the chance of survival of the cubs is greater than it was feared (as without Jericho, the chance of survival of the cubs would be pretty much zero).
We cant save our species, like you said there is too much going on, so I dont think its crazy that people are upset about a protected animal… more being lured out so he can be killed as a trophy. I personally find it disgusting, but I, along with the rest of the world, will have something else to be upset about tomorrow. At least people care about a living creature which seems all too rare these days.
If the gov't wants to persecute the dentist for killing Cecil then so be it. If these lions have monitors attached to them then it's hard to believe they want him killed.
I just find it Hilarious how the world is literally going to shit, A Rapture Scare is upon us, America is being run into the ground, This Confederate Flag BS is still going on, The cops Are killing people, There are natural disasters happening everywhere, And in the Midst of all of that, People are worried about a fucking Lion. And I get that the Species in endangered, But come on. Do people cook and eat Lions, or sell them on store shelves? No. So they aren't that Important to survival in my Opinion.
And sure, We can try to save the species, But I think Saving ourselves should come first.
When you're dealing with an endangered species, even one is important, as in this case there are 24 cubs, and as far as lions go, it would be lucky if even half of them make it, and that's with a male lion father and another male lion working in coalition to protect them. With the father dead, and only the male lion coalition partner to protect them, the chances of survival for the cubs is likely less than half.
The thing is that by saving endangered species, we actually are saving ourselves. Letting any species go extinct can lead to unforeseen and disastrous consequences, as life is mutually symbiotic, since life forms rely on other life forms to survive.
As I said earlier in the thread:
The reason why we protect endangered species is because the consequences of the death of an entire species can have unforeseen repercussions on the ecosystem. We learned this when we killed all of a particular type of mosquito that were swarming around a body of water and unwittingly caused the death of everything around it that depended on them (including fish, frogs, plant life, other insects, etc). Human beings are just like any other living thing on this planet. We're dependent on the life of other living things. If we don't slow down the mass extinction that's going on right now, we could eventually be looking at extinction ourselves several generations from now.
A quote from what I said below:
I just find it Hilarious how the world is literally going to shit, A Rapture Scare is upon us, America… more is being run into the ground, This Confederate Flag BS is still going on, The cops Are killing people, There are natural disasters happening everywhere, And in the Midst of all of that, People are worried about a fucking Lion. And I get that the Species in endangered, But come on. Do people cook and eat Lions, or sell them on store shelves? No. So they aren't that Important to survival in my Opinion.
And sure, We can try to save the species, But I think Saving ourselves should come first.
There's a big difference between hunting and going after an endangered animal that is being monitored for a scientific study by driving into a national park at night and illegally luring it out to shoot it.
I'm in support of hunting. Everyone in my area hunts. Just about everyone in my family has hunted or fished at one point in time. I love venison and freshly caught fish. I'm not in support of illegally killing an endangered animal though.
Jimmy Kimmel is a white privileged male, who never had to hunt to eat, so what does he know about anything?
If you never lived that life, … moreyou won't understand. He just sits in his hollywood mansion, having carloads of meat courried in, they bitches about hunters. What a hypocrite joke.
I just find it Hilarious how the world is literally going to shit, A Rapture Scare is upon us, America is being run into the ground, This Co… morenfederate Flag BS is still going on, The cops Are killing people, There are natural disasters happening everywhere, And in the Midst of all of that, People are worried about a fucking Lion. And I get that the Species in endangered, But come on. Do people cook and eat Lions, or sell them on store shelves? No. So they aren't that Important to survival in my Opinion.
And sure, We can try to save the species, But I think Saving ourselves should come first.
There's a big difference between hunting and going after an endangered animal that is being monitored for a scientific study by driving into… more a national park at night and illegally luring it out to shoot it.
I'm in support of hunting. Everyone in my area hunts. Just about everyone in my family has hunted or fished at one point in time. I love venison and freshly caught fish. I'm not in support of illegally killing an endangered animal though.
Even big game hunters are speaking against the illegal action of killing Cecil the lion.
Heck, even lion hunters agree that Cecil the lion shouldn't have been shot, as the act of killing that particular lion was an illegal one.
Wise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something.
So Classy, I love this forum. Everyone gets to insult Crazy George, but if i say one fucking thing, my comments get deleted, It's ok. I can take it. Anything else you want to say to me? Say it.
I'm sure he does. Regret is not a substitute for trial though, as he was involved in an illegal act so he needs to go to court. The professional safari hunter and the land owner who allowed Cecil to be shot on his farm have went to trial in Zimbabwe, but he's in the United States while Zimbabwe is fighting to get him extradited to stand trial.
If he just went back to Zimbabwe on his own accord, the outrage over this incident would calm down a lot.
I'm sure he does. Regret is not a substitute for trial though, as he was involved in an illegal act so he needs to go to court. The profes… moresional safari hunter and the land owner who allowed Cecil to be shot on his farm have went to trial in Zimbabwe, but he's in the United States while Zimbabwe is fighting to get him extradited to stand trial.
If he just went back to Zimbabwe on his own accord, the outrage over this incident would calm down a lot.
He's likely going to get extradited anyway. The outrage is only going to get bigger the longer it takes for him to own up to his illegal actions, so he might as well help to make for a less hostile situation at home when he gets out.
Wise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something.
So Classy, I love this forum. Everyone … moregets to insult Crazy George, but if i say one fucking thing, my comments get deleted, It's ok. I can take it. Anything else you want to say to me? Say it.
Yeah, I know it isn't happening, And I'm simply choosing to ignore the whole thing. But still, A lion is not more important than the fact that our country is dying faster Than a Diseased man with a Bullet wound.
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What exactly is funny about it?
Cubs dying is part of the natural world. In some places in Africa the mortality rate for lion cubs is around 50%.
In that his case if the cubs are killed it would have been triggered by the death of Cecil, but cubs are often killed by rival predators like hyenas or leopards. The animals hunted by lions will also kill cubs if they stumble across them. Buffalo for example are big threat to cubs. Coalitions of male lions will also typically kill the cubs when taking over a pride, because it causes the females to go into heat. The new males then mate with them and produce new cubs, with their genes.
Jericho, the coalition partner of Cecil has been confirmed to be still alive (it's been clarified that Jericho is not blood related to Cecil, but is the protector of Cecil's cubs, as male lions work in coalition with each other to protect the females and cubs from threats and outsider male lions).
So, thankfully, the chance of survival of the cubs is greater than it was feared (as without Jericho, the chance of survival of the cubs would be pretty much zero).
Hunting outiside of survival and population control is barbaric and stupid
Yes.
I just find it Hilarious how the world is literally going to shit, A Rapture Scare is upon us, America is being run into the ground, This Confederate Flag BS is still going on, The cops Are killing people, There are natural disasters happening everywhere, And in the Midst of all of that, People are worried about a fucking Lion. And I get that the Species in endangered, But come on. Do people cook and eat Lions, or sell them on store shelves? No. So they aren't that Important to survival in my Opinion.
And sure, We can try to save the species, But I think Saving ourselves should come first.
With Obama's failures he let Isis Grow into what it became today. You can blame him. You can blame him for taking all the sacrifice people gave for iraq, and piss it away like it meant nothing.
Paint the flesh, CUTS LINES, PAINT THE FLESH, Watch the blood spill.
Everyone is freaking out about this one lion. You guys are upset, all i am saying is take that emotion and do something positive about it. Plant a tree, go vegan, whatever.
In the end of the day, he made a mistake. We are not perfect, anyone who feels they are perfect can judge them, for they will be judged in the end. It was a animal, that had already lived a majority of its life. The animal probably would of died naturally in the next two years, because the average lifespan is 14, and he was thirteen years old.
I'm not trying to downplay his mistake, but i don't see it as this horrible action this man has done. Imagine having a hobby you enjoy, investing a lot of money into doing something you been wanting to do your entire life, then it all blow up in your face. I honestly feel sorry for the dentist.
Jimmy Kimmel is a white privileged male, who never had to hunt to eat, so what does he know about anything?
If you never lived that life, you won't understand. He just sits in his hollywood mansion, having carloads of meat courried in, they bitches about hunters. What a hypocrite joke.
Sure. Bill Cosby will get away with what he did. The Patriots can get away with cheating. Nothing matters.
So what action do you expect everyday people to take? Should they hunt down Bill? Should they blow up the Patriots stadium?
We cant save our species, like you said there is too much going on, so I dont think its crazy that people are upset about a protected animal being lured out so he can be killed as a trophy. I personally find it disgusting, but I, along with the rest of the world, will have something else to be upset about tomorrow. At least people care about a living creature which seems all too rare these days.
Im glad to hear that. I know nature is cruel and uncompromising and death is the order of things, as Scaeva pointed out, but I cant help but feel a little better thinking that those cubs at least get a chance. And i learned some facts. I didnt know lions formed coalitions, thats actually pretty interesting.
Nothing matters, does it change anything that happened before?
A long as its endangered, people care.
If the gov't wants to persecute the dentist for killing Cecil then so be it. If these lions have monitors attached to them then it's hard to believe they want him killed.
Um how?
A quote from what I said below:
And sure, We can try to save the species, But I think Saving ourselves should come first.
When you're dealing with an endangered species, even one is important, as in this case there are 24 cubs, and as far as lions go, it would be lucky if even half of them make it, and that's with a male lion father and another male lion working in coalition to protect them. With the father dead, and only the male lion coalition partner to protect them, the chances of survival for the cubs is likely less than half.
The thing is that by saving endangered species, we actually are saving ourselves. Letting any species go extinct can lead to unforeseen and disastrous consequences, as life is mutually symbiotic, since life forms rely on other life forms to survive.
As I said earlier in the thread:
There's a big difference between hunting and going after an endangered animal that is being monitored for a scientific study by driving into a national park at night and illegally luring it out to shoot it.
I'm in support of hunting. Everyone in my area hunts. Just about everyone in my family has hunted or fished at one point in time. I love venison and freshly caught fish. I'm not in support of illegally killing an endangered animal though.
Even big game hunters are speaking against the illegal action of killing Cecil the lion.
Heck, even lion hunters agree that Cecil the lion shouldn't have been shot, as the act of killing that particular lion was an illegal one.
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A rapture scare?
I'm pretty sure that guy who shot Cecil, the dentist regrets it immensely.
So Classy, I love this forum. Everyone gets to insult Crazy George, but if i say one fucking thing, my comments get deleted, It's ok. I can take it. Anything else you want to say to me? Say it.
I'm sure he does. Regret is not a substitute for trial though, as he was involved in an illegal act so he needs to go to court. The professional safari hunter and the land owner who allowed Cecil to be shot on his farm have went to trial in Zimbabwe, but he's in the United States while Zimbabwe is fighting to get him extradited to stand trial.
If he just went back to Zimbabwe on his own accord, the outrage over this incident would calm down a lot.
Would you ? No one in their right mind would. Imagine being in a african jail for who knows how long, over a animal.
He's likely going to get extradited anyway. The outrage is only going to get bigger the longer it takes for him to own up to his illegal actions, so he might as well help to make for a less hostile situation at home when he gets out.
Yes, I do have something to say to you. Sorry.
It was an uncalled for insult, and I'll remove it.
Yeah, I know it isn't happening, And I'm simply choosing to ignore the whole thing. But still, A lion is not more important than the fact that our country is dying faster Than a Diseased man with a Bullet wound.