To reprogram a synth you would need the Institute technology and information. Shut down the Institute, shut down a HUGE probability of them … morepossibly being reprogrammed. From what I've seen in the game the only way to reprogram them is through the Institute, as I've not seen the synths reprogrammed to work for the other factions, an interesting note if they can be so easily reprogrammed.
Only thing I hate about this game is what I dislike about other rpgs like this and that is I get to easily distracted and lost. I've been trying to go do the optional Assassinate Shelly mission in the silver shroud quest, but I swear I keep running into new locations and buildings and it is taking hours just to get there lol
What about the unhealthy Chairman Maxson hero-worship?
And the un-democratic tithing of farmers?
What about the complete abandonment of the Brotherhood's former values under Elder Lyons
It's also implied that the Brotherhood cannibalized Rivet City's technology to create their fancy airship. Where do you stand on that?
And what about the Squires, with their distinctly 'Hitler Youth' looking uniforms? Fucking creepy if you know your history.
Bethesda is laying it on pretty thick that the Brotherhood aren't the heroes we remember from Fallout 3.
As for the minutemen, I don't think their plan is to stay decentralized. Keeping the Commonwealth's settlements isolated is the Institute's goal, remember?. By eliminating the institute, the Minutemen cleared the biggest obstacle in the way of establishing an NCR-like government, like the one that got massacred by synths in the 2100's. I think that's a bit better than Brotherhood serfdom, but that's just me.
Well, here's the thing. The minutemen, despite having a great idea, they don't have the army or weapons to keep the commonwealth safe. The M… moreinutemen don't have a standing army, they are based on the people stepping up to help. Remember what happened last time the minutemen decided to not pull together? I'll give you a hint, go to the Quincy Ruins. The Quincy Massacre was where the Gunners slaughtered an entire town because the Minutemen reinforcements just decided not to help. That's their problem. However, acting as a regulated police force under the Brotherhood's guidance is a good thing for them, it could help.
Now, the Brotherhood's "Xenophobic" problem is a bit more complicated than people like to make it with "Oh look, they're genocidal xenophobes". Look at what the brotherhood hate: Synths, Ghouls, and Super Mutants as well as Raiders. The only problem I have with this is Ghouls, since before they're feral they are not a problem. Ra… [view original content]
Only thing I hate about this game is what I dislike about other rpgs like this and that is I get to easily distracted and lost. I've been tr… moreying to go do the optional Assassinate Shelly mission in the silver shroud quest, but I swear I keep running into new locations and buildings and it is taking hours just to get there lol
What about the unhealthy Chairman Maxson hero-worship?
I remember Maxson saying in Fallout 3 that people told him that his soul was "forged in Eternal Steel", and that he did not believe such but that he was "just a normal kid". 'Twould seem that their worship has gotten into his head in that single decade between then and now.
What about the complete abandonment of the Brotherhood's former values under Elder Lyons
I like to think that a small group of Brothers/Sisters of Steel deserted once things became how they are and established their own group in D.C. that follows Lyons' principles.
It's also implied that the Brotherhood cannibalized Rivet City's technology to create their fancy airship. Where do you stand on that?
Not cool, Brotherhood. I hope you resettled those people whom you displaced had you indeed done that. I didn't kill off an entire colony of mutated ants and save Bryan Wilks just for you to leave him homeless.
And what about the Squires, with their distinctly 'Hitler Youth' looking uniforms? Fucking creepy if you know your history.
Also scary, if you examine what happened to the Hitler Youth during the fall of Nazi Germany (i.e. poorly equipped children soldiers sent to their deaths on the battlefield). I hope that the Brotherhood never stoops that low, should they be cornered like that.
What about the unhealthy Chairman Maxson hero-worship?
And the un-democratic tithing of farmers?
What about the complete abandonment o… moref the Brotherhood's former values under Elder Lyons
It's also implied that the Brotherhood cannibalized Rivet City's technology to create their fancy airship. Where do you stand on that?
And what about the Squires, with their distinctly 'Hitler Youth' looking uniforms? Fucking creepy if you know your history.
Bethesda is laying it on pretty thick that the Brotherhood aren't the heroes we remember from Fallout 3.
As for the minutemen, I don't think their plan is to stay decentralized. Keeping the Commonwealth's settlements isolated is the Institute's goal, remember?. By eliminating the institute, the Minutemen cleared the biggest obstacle in the way of establishing an NCR-like government, like the one that got massacred by synths in the 2100's. I think that's a bit better than Brotherhood serfdom, but that's just me.
This happens to me all the time, i would be on my way to a assignment and i will see a interesting looking building and think "lets have a quick look" which turns out to be longer than expected and having to fight through bandits and super mutants :P
Yesterday i found a rally interesting location, i wont spoil too much but it was a creepy maze with lots of booby traps and creepy dead bodies along with feral ghouls. It was fairly simple but fun and was well designed part of the game, if you want i can post it's location so you can take a look later but it might be fun to find it yourself,
Only thing I hate about this game is what I dislike about other rpgs like this and that is I get to easily distracted and lost. I've been tr… moreying to go do the optional Assassinate Shelly mission in the silver shroud quest, but I swear I keep running into new locations and buildings and it is taking hours just to get there lol
What about the unhealthy Chairman Maxson hero-worship?
Hero-worship of a competent military leader isn't necessarily unhealthy. A military needs to believe in its commander to be an effective force.
And the un-democratic tithing of farmers?
That's the price the Commonwealth has to pay for having the BoS keeping order. The Brotherhood needs resources to feed and clothe their men. It's basically taxes.
What about the complete abandonment of the Brotherhood's former values under Elder Lyons
It was Lyons who abandoned Brotherhood values. And Maxson actually kept more of his reforms than in might seem - he's actively fighting threats to settlers, for one. Lyons was also firmly against ghouls and mutants, even sentient ones. The only 'good' he was doing was helping wastelanders at the expense of his own men. Maxson cares for the men under his command first, as he very well should.
It's also implied that the Brotherhood cannibalized Rivet City's technology to create their fancy airship. Where do you stand on that?
All we know is that the Prydwen's nuclear core comes from there. It doesn't mean the city was destroyed or pillaged.
And what about the Squires, with their distinctly 'Hitler Youth' looking uniforms? Fucking creepy if you know your history.
What about the unhealthy Chairman Maxson hero-worship?
And the un-democratic tithing of farmers?
What about the complete abandonment o… moref the Brotherhood's former values under Elder Lyons
It's also implied that the Brotherhood cannibalized Rivet City's technology to create their fancy airship. Where do you stand on that?
And what about the Squires, with their distinctly 'Hitler Youth' looking uniforms? Fucking creepy if you know your history.
Bethesda is laying it on pretty thick that the Brotherhood aren't the heroes we remember from Fallout 3.
As for the minutemen, I don't think their plan is to stay decentralized. Keeping the Commonwealth's settlements isolated is the Institute's goal, remember?. By eliminating the institute, the Minutemen cleared the biggest obstacle in the way of establishing an NCR-like government, like the one that got massacred by synths in the 2100's. I think that's a bit better than Brotherhood serfdom, but that's just me.
The Great War happened as a result of the resource wars, which were primarily about the scarcity of oil and atomic fuels like uranium. I thought that petrol had been rendered obsolete by atomic power. What exactly was there being used that depleted Oil reserves so swiftly? I have a couple of ideas as to why, but I would like to know if there is a definite answer on this one.
I am not arguing the fallout synths aren't sentient, or 'human' enough. I'm saying they're a hazard, and it's because of the danger they pose that they need to be eliminated. And if you read between the lines, that's also what Maxson believes in.
By that logic, Europeans should have killed off every other race they encountered on foreign lands because of the possiblility of them carrying diseases that they are not immune to. Killing off a people due to innate faults that they alone quite literally cannot control or rectify without assistance is deplorable. Surely those that are definite threats should be eliminated (e.g. programmed type one synths, undercover synths, et cetera), but simply killing off everyone because it is easier and sure is disgusting.
It takes years to 'program' a human, and even then it's fallible. Institute synths are mass produced at breakneck speeds, as you can observe… more in the game itself. And then there's the 'replacement' issue - you can't replace someone with a person you've been training from birth. They'd be different from whomever you wanted to replace. A synth can be produced in the image of an existing person in the matter of hours. It just takes a synthetic frame and a brain scan.
I am not arguing the fallout synths aren't sentient, or 'human' enough. I'm saying they're a hazard, and it's because of the danger they pose that they need to be eliminated. And if you read between the lines, that's also what Maxson believes in.
The Great War happened as a result of the resource wars, which were primarily about the scarcity of oil and atomic fuels like uranium. I tho… moreught that petrol had been rendered obsolete by atomic power. What exactly was there being used that depleted Oil reserves so swiftly? I have a couple of ideas as to why, but I would like to know if there is a definite answer on this one.
What? No, they pretty much don't care about gen 1 synths. They mind-wipe gen 3s, like Harkness, Danse, and 'Gabriel'. The thing is, the reset code remains in place, apparently you can't get rid of that. And that's what makes a synth a synth, and a problem.
Then the reset code is the problem, not the synths themselves. Is it actually explained why it cannot be removed? Or is one of those 'because it is so' scenarios?
I was thinking something along those lines; that perhaps some lesser developed regions might still have primarily used Petrol, whereas the U.S. had more ready access to atomic technology. I would imagine that certain territories in the European Commonwealth, the Middle East and Asia didn't quite have the resources to use nuclear technology so widely like the U.S did, hence their quarrels over the Oil in the Middle East and Alaska. And that America had little use for the oil in Alaska but still wanted to sell it at exhorbitant prices with the shortages. And that China did not have the treasury to purchase it, hence the Sino-American war started.
I don't think it's ever explained, but like I said, the implication is that the reset code is what makes a synth a synth, along with their production process, considering otherwise they're made of primarily biological components.
Ultimately, the purpose of a synth's existence as an entity is to be reprogrammable. It's a synth's core feature. That's why the Institute is making them in the first place, instead of just, idk, breeding some human slaves (and I'm sure the Institute would balk at the ethical implications of that).
What? No, they pretty much don't care about gen 1 synths. They mind-wipe gen 3s, like Harkness, Danse, and 'Gabriel'. The thing is, the rese… moret code remains in place, apparently you can't get rid of that. And that's what makes a synth a synth, and a problem.
Then the reset code is the problem, not the synths themselves. Is it actually explained why it cannot be removed? Or is one of those 'because it is so' scenarios?
I am not arguing the fallout synths aren't sentient, or 'human' enough. I'm saying they're a hazard, and it's because of the danger they pos… moree that they need to be eliminated. And if you read between the lines, that's also what Maxson believes in.
By that logic, Europeans should have killed off every other race they encountered on foreign lands because of the possiblility of them carrying diseases that they are not immune to. Killing off a people due to innate faults that they alone quite literally cannot control or rectify without assistance is deplorable. Surely those that are definite threats should be eliminated (e.g. programmed type one synths, undercover synths, et cetera), but simply killing off everyone because it is easier and sure is disgusting.
What about the unhealthy Chairman Maxson hero-worship?
Unhealthy? Far from it. Soldiers must have faith in their commander. Plus, Maxson has done amazing things, hero like, and that much is true. However, full and utter devotion is not something I can support, it is the duty of every one to question their authority and everything, but not betray it.
And the un-democratic tithing of farmers?
Taxes. It's not like the Brotherhood is going to farms and stealing food, they're offering protection for food. It's a "You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" situation.
What about the complete abandonment of the Brotherhood's former values under Elder Lyons
Wrong. First, Lyons betrayed the original goals of the Brotherhood in favor of the knight in shiny power armor approach. That's not a bad thing, the original Brotherhood out west was full of dicks. What happened is Maxson combined the two, the new chapter searches for tech and hides it away from those who would abuse it but also cares and helps the people like Lyon did.
It's also implied that the Brotherhood cannibalized Rivet City's technology to create their fancy airship. Where do you stand on that?
Yeah, that's just messed up. I hope the Brotherhood helped Rivet City in someway but I can't say for certain.
And what about the Squires, with their distinctly 'Hitler Youth' looking uniforms? Fucking creepy if you know your history.
It's not like this is new. Squires have been raised under the Brotherhood for a long time, either being born into it or being rescued by the Brotherhood. They just have a uniform now.
I don't think their plan is to stay decentralized.
No ones plan is to stay decentralized, it just happens.
establishing an NCR-like government
The NCR? You mean the group that just views lower class civilians as a number. The NCR is a jumbled bureaucratic mess.
What about the unhealthy Chairman Maxson hero-worship?
And the un-democratic tithing of farmers?
What about the complete abandonment o… moref the Brotherhood's former values under Elder Lyons
It's also implied that the Brotherhood cannibalized Rivet City's technology to create their fancy airship. Where do you stand on that?
And what about the Squires, with their distinctly 'Hitler Youth' looking uniforms? Fucking creepy if you know your history.
Bethesda is laying it on pretty thick that the Brotherhood aren't the heroes we remember from Fallout 3.
As for the minutemen, I don't think their plan is to stay decentralized. Keeping the Commonwealth's settlements isolated is the Institute's goal, remember?. By eliminating the institute, the Minutemen cleared the biggest obstacle in the way of establishing an NCR-like government, like the one that got massacred by synths in the 2100's. I think that's a bit better than Brotherhood serfdom, but that's just me.
What about the unhealthy Chairman Maxson hero-worship?
And the un-democratic tithing of farmers?
What about the complete abandonment o… moref the Brotherhood's former values under Elder Lyons
It's also implied that the Brotherhood cannibalized Rivet City's technology to create their fancy airship. Where do you stand on that?
And what about the Squires, with their distinctly 'Hitler Youth' looking uniforms? Fucking creepy if you know your history.
Bethesda is laying it on pretty thick that the Brotherhood aren't the heroes we remember from Fallout 3.
As for the minutemen, I don't think their plan is to stay decentralized. Keeping the Commonwealth's settlements isolated is the Institute's goal, remember?. By eliminating the institute, the Minutemen cleared the biggest obstacle in the way of establishing an NCR-like government, like the one that got massacred by synths in the 2100's. I think that's a bit better than Brotherhood serfdom, but that's just me.
It is certain that they can be reprogrammed. Their threat is not a predetermined certainty. It is when they are reprogrammed for malicious intent that they become a threat.
I don't think it's ever explained, but like I said, the implication is that the reset code is what makes a synth a synth, along with their p… moreroduction process, considering otherwise they're made of primarily biological components.
Ultimately, the purpose of a synth's existence as an entity is to be reprogrammable. It's a synth's core feature. That's why the Institute is making them in the first place, instead of just, idk, breeding some human slaves (and I'm sure the Institute would balk at the ethical implications of that).
lol why?? i mean i didnt exactly love her but i found the "visions" interesting, and really i wanted her to live until i could take piper with me and impress her by helping how i help the old lady lol damn that lady
This happens to me all the time, i would be on my way to a assignment and i will see a interesting looking building and think "lets have a q… moreuick look" which turns out to be longer than expected and having to fight through bandits and super mutants :P
Yesterday i found a rally interesting location, i wont spoil too much but it was a creepy maze with lots of booby traps and creepy dead bodies along with feral ghouls. It was fairly simple but fun and was well designed part of the game, if you want i can post it's location so you can take a look later but it might be fun to find it yourself,
Yeah, its funny how Preston is like.
Ayyy, so I got this settlement that needs help, help em out and return to me.
You do that, return and he's like
ayyy, thats great, but listen. I got ANOTHER settlement for ya.
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The Railroad reprograms Synths all the time in order to help them escape.
Only thing I hate about this game is what I dislike about other rpgs like this and that is I get to easily distracted and lost. I've been trying to go do the optional Assassinate Shelly mission in the silver shroud quest, but I swear I keep running into new locations and buildings and it is taking hours just to get there lol
What about the unhealthy Chairman Maxson hero-worship?
And the un-democratic tithing of farmers?
What about the complete abandonment of the Brotherhood's former values under Elder Lyons
It's also implied that the Brotherhood cannibalized Rivet City's technology to create their fancy airship. Where do you stand on that?
And what about the Squires, with their distinctly 'Hitler Youth' looking uniforms? Fucking creepy if you know your history.
Bethesda is laying it on pretty thick that the Brotherhood aren't the heroes we remember from Fallout 3.
As for the minutemen, I don't think their plan is to stay decentralized. Keeping the Commonwealth's settlements isolated is the Institute's goal, remember?. By eliminating the institute, the Minutemen cleared the biggest obstacle in the way of establishing an NCR-like government, like the one that got massacred by synths in the 2100's. I think that's a bit better than Brotherhood serfdom, but that's just me.
I guess I hadn't considered that. . .
I think everyones the same. I put off saving my own son for random side quests that had no relevance to anything...my own son. Can you believe it?
Outstanding.
I remember Maxson saying in Fallout 3 that people told him that his soul was "forged in Eternal Steel", and that he did not believe such but that he was "just a normal kid". 'Twould seem that their worship has gotten into his head in that single decade between then and now.
I like to think that a small group of Brothers/Sisters of Steel deserted once things became how they are and established their own group in D.C. that follows Lyons' principles.
Not cool, Brotherhood. I hope you resettled those people whom you displaced had you indeed done that. I didn't kill off an entire colony of mutated ants and save Bryan Wilks just for you to leave him homeless.
Also scary, if you examine what happened to the Hitler Youth during the fall of Nazi Germany (i.e. poorly equipped children soldiers sent to their deaths on the battlefield). I hope that the Brotherhood never stoops that low, should they be cornered like that.
This happens to me all the time, i would be on my way to a assignment and i will see a interesting looking building and think "lets have a quick look" which turns out to be longer than expected and having to fight through bandits and super mutants :P
Yesterday i found a rally interesting location, i wont spoil too much but it was a creepy maze with lots of booby traps and creepy dead bodies along with feral ghouls. It was fairly simple but fun and was well designed part of the game, if you want i can post it's location so you can take a look later but it might be fun to find it yourself,
Hero-worship of a competent military leader isn't necessarily unhealthy. A military needs to believe in its commander to be an effective force.
That's the price the Commonwealth has to pay for having the BoS keeping order. The Brotherhood needs resources to feed and clothe their men. It's basically taxes.
It was Lyons who abandoned Brotherhood values. And Maxson actually kept more of his reforms than in might seem - he's actively fighting threats to settlers, for one. Lyons was also firmly against ghouls and mutants, even sentient ones. The only 'good' he was doing was helping wastelanders at the expense of his own men. Maxson cares for the men under his command first, as he very well should.
All we know is that the Prydwen's nuclear core comes from there. It doesn't mean the city was destroyed or pillaged.
Well... I got nothin there. :P
The Great War happened as a result of the resource wars, which were primarily about the scarcity of oil and atomic fuels like uranium. I thought that petrol had been rendered obsolete by atomic power. What exactly was there being used that depleted Oil reserves so swiftly? I have a couple of ideas as to why, but I would like to know if there is a definite answer on this one.
Are those ones not the basic type one Synths, though? I might be wrong. If I am, correct me.
What? No, they pretty much don't care about gen 1 synths. They mind-wipe gen 3s, like Harkness, Danse, and 'Gabriel'.
The thing is, the reset code remains in place, apparently you can't get rid of that. And that's what makes a synth a synth, and a problem.
By that logic, Europeans should have killed off every other race they encountered on foreign lands because of the possiblility of them carrying diseases that they are not immune to. Killing off a people due to innate faults that they alone quite literally cannot control or rectify without assistance is deplorable. Surely those that are definite threats should be eliminated (e.g. programmed type one synths, undercover synths, et cetera), but simply killing off everyone because it is easier and sure is disgusting.
Not a definitive answer, but one thing to consider is that heavy industry probably still runs on oil.
Then the reset code is the problem, not the synths themselves. Is it actually explained why it cannot be removed? Or is one of those 'because it is so' scenarios?
That is one idea.
I was thinking something along those lines; that perhaps some lesser developed regions might still have primarily used Petrol, whereas the U.S. had more ready access to atomic technology. I would imagine that certain territories in the European Commonwealth, the Middle East and Asia didn't quite have the resources to use nuclear technology so widely like the U.S did, hence their quarrels over the Oil in the Middle East and Alaska. And that America had little use for the oil in Alaska but still wanted to sell it at exhorbitant prices with the shortages. And that China did not have the treasury to purchase it, hence the Sino-American war started.
I don't think it's ever explained, but like I said, the implication is that the reset code is what makes a synth a synth, along with their production process, considering otherwise they're made of primarily biological components.
Ultimately, the purpose of a synth's existence as an entity is to be reprogrammable. It's a synth's core feature. That's why the Institute is making them in the first place, instead of just, idk, breeding some human slaves (and I'm sure the Institute would balk at the ethical implications of that).
It is possible that a stranger carries a dangerous disease. It is certain that a synth can be reprogrammed.
No work, Fallout 4 and a big can of Australian beer.
It's gonna be a good day.
so for whatever reason a vertibird or whatever its called, a heli from the bos attacked me... ok your loss.
(SPOLERS!)
NOOO mama murphy! lol she dead.
You are entirely wrong. The ones being reprogrammed are the gen 3, the most advanced.
Been playing Fallout 4 for weeks now and still haven't discovered half the map. Then again I have been sneaking everywhere lol
Really? Thank god. I freaking hated Mama Murphy lol
Sorry about the late reply, school and all that.
Unhealthy? Far from it. Soldiers must have faith in their commander. Plus, Maxson has done amazing things, hero like, and that much is true. However, full and utter devotion is not something I can support, it is the duty of every one to question their authority and everything, but not betray it.
Taxes. It's not like the Brotherhood is going to farms and stealing food, they're offering protection for food. It's a "You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" situation.
Wrong. First, Lyons betrayed the original goals of the Brotherhood in favor of the knight in shiny power armor approach. That's not a bad thing, the original Brotherhood out west was full of dicks. What happened is Maxson combined the two, the new chapter searches for tech and hides it away from those who would abuse it but also cares and helps the people like Lyon did.
Yeah, that's just messed up. I hope the Brotherhood helped Rivet City in someway but I can't say for certain.
It's not like this is new. Squires have been raised under the Brotherhood for a long time, either being born into it or being rescued by the Brotherhood. They just have a uniform now.
No ones plan is to stay decentralized, it just happens.
The NCR? You mean the group that just views lower class civilians as a number. The NCR is a jumbled bureaucratic mess.
WHAT? RIVET CITY HAS BEEN DESTROYED? ;~;
Alright.
It is certain that they can be reprogrammed. Their threat is not a predetermined certainty. It is when they are reprogrammed for malicious intent that they become a threat.
Click on the spoilers button next time mate.
This is true, but that purpose was undermined and invalidated when the synths developed sentience, and by extension, free will.
What beer is it?
lol why?? i mean i didnt exactly love her but i found the "visions" interesting, and really i wanted her to live until i could take piper with me and impress her by helping how i help the old lady lol damn that lady
Did you find the Hot Rodder mag in there?
When Preston says "I've got another settlement that needs our help."
Let's all share a Nuka Cola with Nick shall we?
Yeah, its funny how Preston is like.
Ayyy, so I got this settlement that needs help, help em out and return to me.
You do that, return and he's like
ayyy, thats great, but listen. I got ANOTHER settlement for ya.
Lol the reason I even do them still is to raise companion bonds like Curie and Deacon.
Trying to raise Maccready's approval rating: