I hate the prequels so much that I like to pretend they're not canon.
I like that TFA doesn't have any big references to the prequels, so it fits my head-canon. I very much hope that they continue this in Episode 8/9.
That's basically what ruined the entire series for me. I grew up being in love with the mystery and the idea of "The force is a feeling, it surrounds us all". That's bullshit right there, and if it never would have happened, I would have forgiven the prequels for everything EXCEPT for how they handled Anakin Skywalker. Seriously, everytime his whiny bitch ass was on screen I cringed so bad.
It is also the best written and acted of any of the pre-TFA Star Wars films. Compare the dialogue and on screen chemistry between Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, and Mark Hamill in ESB to that of of Natalie Portman , Hayden Christiansen, and Ewan McGregor in the prequel films. The prequel films pale in comparison.
The dialogue in the prequel films is awful and Hayden Christiansen and Natalie Portman both turned in terrible performances and had zero chemistry together. The only one of out of those three to turn in a decent performance was Ewan McGregor.
Lucas isn't a great writer or a good director of actors, and his decision to wear both the writer and director hats with the prequel films ended up being a poor one. He also made bad casting decisions. Hayden Christiansen as the young Darth Vader?! That's like getting Jaden Smith to play the young Thulsa Doom in a Conan prequel. He was just totally wrong for the part.
Hayden Christiansen was poor casting because he looks like a long lost member of New Direction. Darth Vader was one of the most intimidating and imposing villains in film history, and Lucas decided to cast an actor who looked and sounds like he belongs in a boy band as the young version of him. Hayden Christiansen could have had the acting chops of Daniel Day-Lewis (and he didn't) and he still wouldn't be able to pull off the part. It was the most bizarre casting decision made in the entire film series.
Have a rewatch of dark-side Hayden trying to pull off intimidating in RotS. It just doesn't work, and sometimes it is laughably bad. RotS was the best prequel film, but it was still dragged down by a poor casting decision made with AotC.
I thought Hayden Christensen was good to play Anakin. He does even look like Luke. Do you even know a better actor than him? What doesn't make sense is that they shouldn't have replaced Sebastian Shaw with Hayden in Return of the Jedi.
It is also the best written and acted of any of the pre-TFA Star Wars films. Compare the dialogue and on screen chemistry between Harrison F… moreord, Carrie Fisher, and Mark Hamill in ESB to that of of Natalie Portman , Hayden Christiansen, and Ewan McGregor in the prequel films. The prequel films pale in comparison.
The dialogue in the prequel films is awful and Hayden Christiansen and Natalie Portman both turned in terrible performances and had zero chemistry together. The only one of out of those three to turn in a decent performance was Ewan McGregor.
Lucas isn't a great writer or a good director of actors, and his decision to wear both the writer and director hats with the prequel films ended up being a poor one. He also made bad casting decisions. Hayden Christiansen as the young Darth Vader?! That's like getting Jaden Smith to play the young Thulsa Doom in a Conan prequel. He was just totally wrong for the part.
Actually it does have a reference to the prequel. Kylo Ren killing his own father, Han, is exactly similar to Anakin killing his own wife, Padme. Both Han and Padme tried to convince Kylo and Anakin to come back to the light but failed and were killed instantly.
I hate the prequels so much that I like to pretend they're not canon.
I like that TFA doesn't have any big references to the prequels, so it fits my head-canon. I very much hope that they continue this in Episode 8/9.
Like I said the story is a ripoff of A New Hope imo.
Main character living in a desert area comes across escaped droid with valuable information on it. Escapes doom in a "junk" millennium falcon, comes across Solo and Chewbacca. Main character is abducted by dark helmet wearing villain and sees said villain kill their close friend/father figure (Kenobi/Solo). They even used the same sequence with the ty fighters attacking the villain's very large ship
It needed something to base the new franchise on. It's just building up episode 8 and 9. Yes, it took a lot of inspiration from a New Hope... okay, more than a lot. But it was good, funny and sometimes adorable, plus amazing performances from the actors. Calling it worse than the prequels is disgusting imho.
Like I said the story is a ripoff of A New Hope imo.
Main character living in a desert area comes across escaped droid with valuable info… morermation on it. Escapes doom in a "junk" millennium falcon, comes across Solo and Chewbacca. Main character is abducted by dark helmet wearing villain and sees said villain kill their close friend/father figure (Kenobi/Solo). They even used the same sequence with the ty fighters attacking the villain's very large ship
I don't see why two scenes that seem similar should kill my head-canon. I'm talking about directly incorporating something from the Prequels into the plot. Like, if the big bad turns out to be Darth Plageous, that would ruin my head canon.
For the record, Kylo Ren killing Han is completely different. Anakin accidentally kills Padme. Its not a choice, its just something that happens because dark side. I don't even get why George decided to write it that way. In Return of the Jedi, Leia talks about knowing her mother, and mentions that she was kind with a certain sadness hanging over her. The clear implication was the Leia grew up knowing her real mother, but the retcon means she's talking about her adopted mother, I guess? It could have maybe been an interesting retcon if we got to know Leia's adopted mother in the prequels, but as it stands, the prequels took meaning from that scene rather than adding meaning. Which is why I've just decided to treat the prequels as non-canon.
That's basically what ruined the entire series for me. I grew up being in love with the mystery and the idea of "The force is a feeling, it … moresurrounds us all". That's bullshit right there, and if it never would have happened, I would have forgiven the prequels for everything EXCEPT for how they handled Anakin Skywalker. Seriously, everytime his whiny bitch ass was on screen I cringed so bad.
That's fine. Their exposition adds enough character to make their parts work within the story. After all, they were originally self-contained characters within the originals.
How is it a rehash of A New Hope when they've made significant changes? They pose similarities but The Force Awakens is far different from A New Hope, the characters, plot, environments and music are all very different from any of the past Star Wars films, and if you noticed, all of the first movies in the Prequel, Original and Sequel Trilogy all have allot of similarities.
I thought the prequels were good, I'd prefer prequel Jedi battles over the original ones. How can anyone hate Revenge of the Sith? It was the best prequel imo.
Once again, we totally agree on this. The ambiguity of the originals was much better backstory (and literally all you needed) for these characters. The prequels make Yoda out to be an idiot, Obi-Wan an inconsistent loser, and Darth Vader as some sort of messiah. All of which is horribly, terribly wrong.
Not to mention the 50 other things the prequels do wrong.
That's fine. Their exposition adds enough character to make their parts work within the story. After all, they were originally self-contained characters within the originals.
The prequels aren't just bad when compared to the originals. They are one of the worst movies I've ever seen, right along the side of Batman and Robin and other trash.
And in light of Lucas' reaction to and gutter speak surrounded Star Wars VII, he's pretty much outed himself as a fraud who took credit for other people's phenomenal work in IV and V. I'm sure there's some talent and passion in that man, or there was, once, but he showed none of it in the prequels.
Yeah, that pretty much is the magnum opus of what is wrong with the prequels.
The best part is they don't worship the originals or act like angry fanboys. They just calmly and methodically explain everything wrong with these fucking movies.
If you have about an hour or two to spare, I recommend watching Mr. Plinkett's reviews on all three movies for a great summary of why the prequels are horrible.
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Are... are you joking? The writing is one of the worst parts.
Here I found a list:
“Yousa thinking yousa people ganna die?”
“I don’t care what universe you’re from, that’s got to hurt!”
“Love won’t save you, Padme. Only my new powers can do that.”
“…Don’t try it, Anakin. I have the high ground!”
“There’s always a bigger fish.”
“I’m haunted by the kiss that you should never have given me.”
“Are you an angel?”
“I don’t like sand. It’s coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere.”
“Ye gods, whatta meesa sayin’?”
“I sense Count Dooku.”
“Ani? My goodness, you’ve grown!”
“How wude!”
“I can’t take Dooku alone! I need you!”
“I’ve been wondering… what are midi-chlorians?”
“Chesco, Sebulba. Chipoka oomen geesa. Me teesa radical fbombati chop chawa.”
“I have the POWER! UNLIMITED… POWER!”
“Droidekas!”
“Uh! So uncivilized.”
“Now this is pod racing!”
“So this is how liberty dies… with thunderous applause.”
“…It is only natural. He cut off your arm, and you wanted revenge.”
“Always two there are, no more, no less.”
“Mom, you said that the biggest problem in the universe is no one helps each other.”
“He owes me what you’d call a ‘life-debt.’ Your gods demand that his life belongs to me.”
“From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!”
“I thought we had decided not to fall in love. That we’d be forced to live a lie and that it would destroy our lives.”
“A vergence, you say?”
“Now that I’m with you again, I’m in agony. My heart is beating, hoping that that kiss will not become a scar.”
“No loose wire jokes.”
“Your mother had gone out early, like she always did, to pick mushrooms that grow on the vaporators.”
“For reasons we can’t explain, we are losing her.”
“…Well, then you really are lost!”
“He said… you killed younglings!”
“What if the democracy we thought we were serving no longer exists, and the Republic has become the very evil we have been fighting to destroy?”
“I have waited a long time for this moment, my little green friend.”
“…I’ll try spinning. That’s a good trick. Whoa-ah!”
“Train yourself to let go… of everything you fear to lose.”
“There was no father. I carried him, I gave birth, I raised him. I can’t explain what happened.”
“You were banished because you were clumsy?”
“You are in my very soul, tormenting me…”
“…We used to come here for school retreat. We would swim to that island every day. I love the water. We used to lie out on the sand and let the sun dry us and try to guess the names of the birds singing.”
“At an end your rule is, and not short enough was it.”
“Ray shields!”
“Just being around her again is… intoxicating.”
“Your new Empire?”
“Symbionts?”
“They live inside me?”
“I don’t understand.”
“Your presence is soothing.”
“…We live in a real world, come back to it. You’re studying to become a Jedi, I’m… I’m a senator.”
The story was good ( Anakin becoming a Jedi, seduced by palpatine, palpatine taking full control and killing the jedis..) but it was poorly … moredirected/performed. It'd have been better if George Lucas had written the story only instead of directing the movies aswell.
The first prequels were the ones very awful. Many examples: Jar Jar Binks, Tattooine Pod Race, Anakin's love story, Worst lightsaber fight (Anakin/Obi Wan/Yoda vs Dooku).
Yeah, but I don't see how this doesn't apply to Revenge of the Sith. That climatic lightsaber fight was like a date trying to hard. Overblown and awkward.
Also that "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" scene pretty much made Darth Vader look like a clown. -_-
The first prequels were the ones very awful. Many examples: Jar Jar Binks, Tattooine Pod Race, Anakin's love story, Worst lightsaber fight (Anakin/Obi Wan/Yoda vs Dooku).
Also that "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" scene pretty much made Darth Vader look like a clown.
I doubt it.
That climatic lightsaber fight was like a date trying to hard
I always thought Anakin vs Obi-Wan is still the best lightsaber fight of the movie franchise. Until I see the later lightsaber fights in the next sequel movies at least.
Yeah, but I don't see how this doesn't apply to Revenge of the Sith. That climatic lightsaber fight was like a date trying to hard. Overblown and awkward.
Also that "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" scene pretty much made Darth Vader look like a clown. -_-
Are... are you joking? The writing is one of the worst parts.
Here I found a list:
“Yousa thinking yousa people ganna die?” “I don’t … morecare what universe you’re from, that’s got to hurt!” “Love won’t save you, Padme. Only my new powers can do that.” “…Don’t try it, Anakin. I have the high ground!” “There’s always a bigger fish.” “I’m haunted by the kiss that you should never have given me.” “Are you an angel?” “I don’t like sand. It’s coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere.” “Ye gods, whatta meesa sayin’?” “I sense Count Dooku.” “Ani? My goodness, you’ve grown!” “How wude!” “I can’t take Dooku alone! I need you!” “I’ve been wondering… what are midi-chlorians?” “Chesco, Sebulba. Chipoka oomen geesa. Me teesa radical fbombati chop chawa.” “I have the POWER! UNLIMITED… POWER!” “Droidekas!” “Uh! So uncivilized.” “Now this is pod racing!” “So this is how liberty dies… with thunderous applause.” “…It is only natural. He cut o… [view original content]
I used to like the prequels when I was younger but after actually sitting down and watching all three of them; they just don't work. In fact, in my opinion, the first two prequels don't even feel like actual movies, they just feel like drawn out history books that are more concerned with showing off spectacle, special effects, and "new" commercial crap for the franchise.
Episode 3 is the best prequel because it's actually trying to tell a story, is a lot more fun compared to the others, the Emperor is so fun to watch and the ending is great because it reminds me of the OT. However, the two major events that ultimately shape the OT are so poorly handled and extremely rushed that it kills the entire film and it doesn't help that the last half just becomes a boring slog of action scenes that ultimately lose their meaning quickly.
The only thing the prequels really did well was introduce many new things to the universe such as ships, planets, aliens, Jedi, cities, etc for other writers or creators to get into and make MUCH BETTER even if they had to be restricted by the stupid lameness of the prequels.
Other than that, the prequels just made Star Wars an inconsistent mess and ruined the consistent mythology the OT started. I'm honestly better off acting like the prequels never happened and don't matter anymore,no matter what silly hardcore prequel fanboys will say otherwise.
The first prequels were the ones very awful. Many examples: Jar Jar Binks, Tattooine Pod Race, Anakin's love story, Worst lightsaber fight (Anakin/Obi Wan/Yoda vs Dooku).
Anakin should never have been "The Chosen One". It would have been so much better that Anakin was a normal, maybe talented and strong but normal Jedi Knight who served with his friend during the time of the Republic era.
No need for a big prophecy. Anakin was simply Luke's father who experienced something tragic, turned to dark paths and become Darth Vader when he believe that he has lost everything. When Darth Vader save his son from the Emperor, he was simply being his father not fulfilling a prophecy.
Once again, we totally agree on this. The ambiguity of the originals was much better backstory (and literally all you needed) for these cha… moreracters. The prequels make Yoda out to be an idiot, Obi-Wan an inconsistent loser, and Darth Vader as some sort of messiah. All of which is horribly, terribly wrong.
Not to mention the 50 other things the prequels do wrong.
I liked parts of it, like the bit where it gets more physical and Anakin and Obi-Wan have a bit of a hand-to-hand fight, or the bit where they both try to force push each other and both get blasted back. It was a good way to show how equal they had become.
It should have ended about three minutes earlier after that, though. The ending of the duel was good as well, mostly because Obi-Wan's final lines to Anakin were probably the single moment of solid acting in the series thanks to Ewan McGregor.
I hate the prequels so much that I like to pretend they're not canon.
I like that TFA doesn't have any big references to the prequels, so it fits my head-canon. I very much hope that they continue this in Episode 8/9.
Yeah, that pretty much is the magnum opus of what is wrong with the prequels.
The best part is they don't worship the originals or act like angry fanboys. They just calmly and methodically explain everything wrong with these fucking movies.
The best part is they don't worship the originals or act like angry fanboys.
Well, not seriously anyway. :P
"Empire pulled this off perfectly, of course. 'Cause I love Empire so much I fuck it."
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I hate the prequels so much that I like to pretend they're not canon.
I like that TFA doesn't have any big references to the prequels, so it fits my head-canon. I very much hope that they continue this in Episode 8/9.
Wouldn't count on it.
That's basically what ruined the entire series for me. I grew up being in love with the mystery and the idea of "The force is a feeling, it surrounds us all". That's bullshit right there, and if it never would have happened, I would have forgiven the prequels for everything EXCEPT for how they handled Anakin Skywalker. Seriously, everytime his whiny bitch ass was on screen I cringed so bad.
Why's that?
How was it bad? lol
I guess I'm one of the few who love the Prequels almost as much as I love the Originals.
It is also the best written and acted of any of the pre-TFA Star Wars films. Compare the dialogue and on screen chemistry between Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, and Mark Hamill in ESB to that of of Natalie Portman , Hayden Christiansen, and Ewan McGregor in the prequel films. The prequel films pale in comparison.
The dialogue in the prequel films is awful and Hayden Christiansen and Natalie Portman both turned in terrible performances and had zero chemistry together. The only one of out of those three to turn in a decent performance was Ewan McGregor.
Lucas isn't a great writer or a good director of actors, and his decision to wear both the writer and director hats with the prequel films ended up being a poor one. He also made bad casting decisions. Hayden Christiansen as the young Darth Vader?! That's like getting Jaden Smith to play the young Thulsa Doom in a Conan prequel. He was just totally wrong for the part.
Hayden Christiansen was poor casting because he looks like a long lost member of New Direction. Darth Vader was one of the most intimidating and imposing villains in film history, and Lucas decided to cast an actor who looked and sounds like he belongs in a boy band as the young version of him. Hayden Christiansen could have had the acting chops of Daniel Day-Lewis (and he didn't) and he still wouldn't be able to pull off the part. It was the most bizarre casting decision made in the entire film series.
Have a rewatch of dark-side Hayden trying to pull off intimidating in RotS. It just doesn't work, and sometimes it is laughably bad. RotS was the best prequel film, but it was still dragged down by a poor casting decision made with AotC.
I thought Hayden Christensen was good to play Anakin. He does even look like Luke. Do you even know a better actor than him? What doesn't make sense is that they shouldn't have replaced Sebastian Shaw with Hayden in Return of the Jedi.
Actually it does have a reference to the prequel. Kylo Ren killing his own father, Han, is exactly similar to Anakin killing his own wife, Padme. Both Han and Padme tried to convince Kylo and Anakin to come back to the light but failed and were killed instantly.
Rehash of A New Hope. I've honestly read fan fiction with more passion and care made than episode 7
Like I said the story is a ripoff of A New Hope imo.
Main character living in a desert area comes across escaped droid with valuable information on it. Escapes doom in a "junk" millennium falcon, comes across Solo and Chewbacca. Main character is abducted by dark helmet wearing villain and sees said villain kill their close friend/father figure (Kenobi/Solo). They even used the same sequence with the ty fighters attacking the villain's very large ship
It needed something to base the new franchise on. It's just building up episode 8 and 9. Yes, it took a lot of inspiration from a New Hope... okay, more than a lot. But it was good, funny and sometimes adorable, plus amazing performances from the actors. Calling it worse than the prequels is disgusting imho.
The more I look at it, the more it looks like they are trying to best each other by showing off their amazing dancing skills.
I don't see why two scenes that seem similar should kill my head-canon. I'm talking about directly incorporating something from the Prequels into the plot. Like, if the big bad turns out to be Darth Plageous, that would ruin my head canon.
For the record, Kylo Ren killing Han is completely different. Anakin accidentally kills Padme. Its not a choice, its just something that happens because dark side. I don't even get why George decided to write it that way. In Return of the Jedi, Leia talks about knowing her mother, and mentions that she was kind with a certain sadness hanging over her. The clear implication was the Leia grew up knowing her real mother, but the retcon means she's talking about her adopted mother, I guess? It could have maybe been an interesting retcon if we got to know Leia's adopted mother in the prequels, but as it stands, the prequels took meaning from that scene rather than adding meaning. Which is why I've just decided to treat the prequels as non-canon.
Then I am the second of those few.
“I don't like sand...”
Fuck you George!
If you treat them like that, then you will never know Darth Vader's Backstory, Obi-Wan and Yoda's as well.
That's fine. Their exposition adds enough character to make their parts work within the story. After all, they were originally self-contained characters within the originals.
How is it a rehash of A New Hope when they've made significant changes? They pose similarities but The Force Awakens is far different from A New Hope, the characters, plot, environments and music are all very different from any of the past Star Wars films, and if you noticed, all of the first movies in the Prequel, Original and Sequel Trilogy all have allot of similarities.
Revenge of the Sith is the least awful but it's still so awful.
Once again, we totally agree on this. The ambiguity of the originals was much better backstory (and literally all you needed) for these characters. The prequels make Yoda out to be an idiot, Obi-Wan an inconsistent loser, and Darth Vader as some sort of messiah. All of which is horribly, terribly wrong.
Not to mention the 50 other things the prequels do wrong.
The prequels aren't just bad when compared to the originals. They are one of the worst movies I've ever seen, right along the side of Batman and Robin and other trash.
And in light of Lucas' reaction to and gutter speak surrounded Star Wars VII, he's pretty much outed himself as a fraud who took credit for other people's phenomenal work in IV and V. I'm sure there's some talent and passion in that man, or there was, once, but he showed none of it in the prequels.
Yeah, that pretty much is the magnum opus of what is wrong with the prequels.
The best part is they don't worship the originals or act like angry fanboys. They just calmly and methodically explain everything wrong with these fucking movies.
Are... are you joking? The writing is one of the worst parts.
Here I found a list:
The first prequels were the ones very awful. Many examples: Jar Jar Binks, Tattooine Pod Race, Anakin's love story, Worst lightsaber fight (Anakin/Obi Wan/Yoda vs Dooku).
Yeah, but I don't see how this doesn't apply to Revenge of the Sith. That climatic lightsaber fight was like a date trying to hard. Overblown and awkward.
Also that "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" scene pretty much made Darth Vader look like a clown. -_-
I doubt it.
I always thought Anakin vs Obi-Wan is still the best lightsaber fight of the movie franchise. Until I see the later lightsaber fights in the next sequel movies at least.
I'm pretty sure that I clearly stated that the story was good, not the scenario.
I used to like the prequels when I was younger but after actually sitting down and watching all three of them; they just don't work. In fact, in my opinion, the first two prequels don't even feel like actual movies, they just feel like drawn out history books that are more concerned with showing off spectacle, special effects, and "new" commercial crap for the franchise.
Episode 3 is the best prequel because it's actually trying to tell a story, is a lot more fun compared to the others, the Emperor is so fun to watch and the ending is great because it reminds me of the OT. However, the two major events that ultimately shape the OT are so poorly handled and extremely rushed that it kills the entire film and it doesn't help that the last half just becomes a boring slog of action scenes that ultimately lose their meaning quickly.
The only thing the prequels really did well was introduce many new things to the universe such as ships, planets, aliens, Jedi, cities, etc for other writers or creators to get into and make MUCH BETTER even if they had to be restricted by the stupid lameness of the prequels.
Other than that, the prequels just made Star Wars an inconsistent mess and ruined the consistent mythology the OT started. I'm honestly better off acting like the prequels never happened and don't matter anymore,no matter what silly hardcore prequel fanboys will say otherwise.
I actually thought the pod race was one of the better parts of the movie.
Anakin should never have been "The Chosen One". It would have been so much better that Anakin was a normal, maybe talented and strong but normal Jedi Knight who served with his friend during the time of the Republic era.
No need for a big prophecy. Anakin was simply Luke's father who experienced something tragic, turned to dark paths and become Darth Vader when he believe that he has lost everything. When Darth Vader save his son from the Emperor, he was simply being his father not fulfilling a prophecy.
I liked parts of it, like the bit where it gets more physical and Anakin and Obi-Wan have a bit of a hand-to-hand fight, or the bit where they both try to force push each other and both get blasted back. It was a good way to show how equal they had become.
It should have ended about three minutes earlier after that, though. The ending of the duel was good as well, mostly because Obi-Wan's final lines to Anakin were probably the single moment of solid acting in the series thanks to Ewan McGregor.
This is Star Wars, not Star Races lol
Only prequel reference I can recall is Ewan McGregor's voice as Obi-Wan in Rey's vision.
Which is fine, he was probably the best part of the prequels.
Well, my point is just Lucas' writing even leaves much to be desired.
As much as I dislike Phantom Menace the pod racing was pretty neat.
Well, not seriously anyway. :P
"Empire pulled this off perfectly, of course. 'Cause I love Empire so much I fuck it."
lol fair enough
The plot elements were ok. the dialog between characters was HORRIBLE. the fights between sith and Jedi were pretty entertaining