In. I don't really have any thoughts, whatever happens the government will always screw us, but i'd rather stay in.
I'm also not one for politics, don't like Labour, don't like Conservatives, hate ukip, all other parties are weak, it's like choose a shit party with a twat leader or vote for something pointless or not at all
Well, the perfidious Albion isn't all white either :^)
I mean, it's not like you were part of the EU in the first place. You created your own union with northerners (which failed), then joined the EU because of opportunism with your own status, wanting special rights while not the bad effect with it, with your country finally leaving it as soon as there's a threat of sinking. You weren't very honest when your country joined EU. Now I'm not aiming you in particular, but your government through the last decades.
Now let's talk about EU:
From the very beginning the purpose of the european communities was to make a federal state à la USA. We're even talking about FOUNDING FATHERS of european union. What a joke and an insult to the actual FF.
They began to destroy every particularism of law, first with economy then hitting the sovereignty of states. If they don't apply seeing the kind of law they can have a penalty about it.
Whenever economy is confronted to values as morale, or rights to strike, freedom or whatever, the european court will choose economy. Nowaday sometimes she chooses to protect fundamental rights but only for the minor cases.
Indeed, UE don't care about what we vote: there was a referendum for the constitution of EU, and not every country agreed (France being one which was against). Two years after, the same program was proposed again with few changes, and there was no referendum.
And next to all this shit, there's the TAFTA. No one know exactly what they discuss with the US, it's kept secret. But from what we know, big americans enterprises could sue our government if they think the government disturbs its economical interest (even if it's for the environment/for the rights of people) and because of the mighty "equality" of economy. they could sell their low cost products in our countries (no offense intended to you american readers).
Now let's see the reasons of why should you stay?
Contrary to the others countries you quoted, you will quit European Union, while they weren't part of the EU in the first place. EU might want to do an example: closing barrieres, not trading anymore etc.. For Switzerland when they changed their policy toward immigration, UE suspended Erasmus program.. What do you think they'll do if you quit it?
I think Barack Obama said he won't trade with your country too. Now I don't know how much your country trades with USA.
I'm all for an european union. But not a economical union, which shits on our rights for some profits. More for one which protect human's rights and all.
Now it's your choice but if I were you I would still vote against staying in the EU. Brace yourself for the outcome though.
It's interesting. The Socialists and National Conservatives seem to be united in wanting to leave while the mainstream Liberals, Conservatives and Social Democrats want to stay. I'm not a European, so I'm afraid my knowledge is limited. If someone wants to give me the concise argument if both sides, that would be great.
The oligarchs seem to be throwing their weight behind the 'stay' option, which will probably be chosen. Unfortunately, liberals will always be the lowest common denominator.
It's interesting. The Socialists and National Conservatives seem to be united in wanting to leave while the mainstream Liberals, Conservati… moreves and Social Democrats want to stay. I'm not a European, so I'm afraid my knowledge is limited. If someone wants to give me the concise argument if both sides, that would be great.
The oligarchs seem to be throwing their weight behind the 'stay' option, which will probably be chosen. Unfortunately, liberals will always be the lowest common denominator.
In. I don't really have any thoughts, whatever happens the government will always screw us, but i'd rather stay in.
I'm also not one for … morepolitics, don't like Labour, don't like Conservatives, hate ukip, all other parties are weak, it's like choose a shit party with a twat leader or vote for something pointless or not at all
Being 21, I don't know much else, I'm unsure what leaving will change, it's the uncertainy of whats happening. Leave campaign seems to be based around immigrants which seems like they're leaving the EU so we don't have people coming in. But they bring in millions to this country. Plus i'm not overly political, staying in seems best
Being 21, I don't know much else, I'm unsure what leaving will change, it's the uncertainy of whats happening. Leave campaign seems to be ba… moresed around immigrants which seems like they're leaving the EU so we don't have people coming in. But they bring in millions to this country. Plus i'm not overly political, staying in seems best
From reports it looks likes younger people are mainly In, where as I've heard that most older people want to Leave, all the farmers want to leave aswell
I'm not a UK or EU resident so don't really have a stake in the matter, but the UK has always seemed to be the odd one out ever since the EU was formed. I think it will work out OK either way. Things won't collapse if the UK stays, and Civil War won't break out if the UK secedes, er, leaves.
The US wasn't all a bunch of happy cooperating agreeable states in the beginning, either. (Some would say it still isn't.)
The point in US was that even if it took times almost all states ended to agree to be a federal one. EU is more sly; they made it like it was only economical and on certain points: steel and coal (CECA) for example then it took point by point the sovereignty of our states. If you ask now almost no one feel european.
The states in America were younger when they began to form the US; ours have thousand of years of rivalry, our own cultures, languages and so on..
I'm not a UK or EU resident so don't really have a stake in the matter, but the UK has always seemed to be the odd one out ever since the EU… more was formed. I think it will work out OK either way. Things won't collapse if the UK stays, and Civil War won't break out if the UK secedes, er, leaves.
The US wasn't all a bunch of happy cooperating agreeable states in the beginning, either. (Some would say it still isn't.)
And naturally, the 'Remain' campaign twisted what happened into anti-Brexit propaganda, before Jo Cox's body was even cold... throwing lies and half-truths all over the place. I don't think it was an assassination, but the timing, effect and benefit it will bring for the government, the media and their agenda is undeniable. So on all fronts, this murder has been an extra vile spectacle to behold.
But we shall see the true impact of it next week. Sad, though.
Unfortunately it has been used in a sickening way. the remain campaign have been painting the leave people as racists and thugs and this has played right into their hands.
I hate votes they are all surrounded with propaganda.
True. It is tragic, though, and plain awful.
And naturally, the 'Remain' campaign twisted what happened into anti-Brexit propaganda, befo… morere Jo Cox's body was even cold... throwing lies and half-truths all over the place. I don't think it was an assassination, but the timing, effect and benefit it will bring for the government, the media and their agenda is undeniable. So on all fronts, this murder has been an extra vile spectacle to behold.
But we shall see the true impact of it next week. Sad, though.
It really has, and I've been quite disgusted by it to be honest... and if it ends up being the thing that pushes them over the threshold to gain a victory, then that's even more depressing. All the 'Remain' campaign has been so far is the elite scare mongering and bullying people into voting against their own interests... and now they're even using this tragedy for that as well.
I hate votes they are all surrounded with propaganda.
They are indeed, but this particular one will be over very shortly.
Unfortunately it has been used in a sickening way. the remain campaign have been painting the leave people as racists and thugs and this has played right into their hands.
I hate votes they are all surrounded with propaganda.
Im a bit worried because I did get a polling card a couple of weeks ago but im beginning to think it was for mayoral elections and im going to look like a wally.
Oh yeah, I remember him, that's the guy who kept saying he was the mayor of the sixth biggest french city, that's not the kind of people one forget usually. :^)
From the little I understand of my neighboor politics, he's pro brexit? Do you know what you will vote for?
Oh yeah, I remember him, that's the guy who kept saying he was the mayor of the sixth biggest french city, that's not the kind of people one… more forget usually. :^)
From the little I understand of my neighboor politics, he's pro brexit? Do you know what you will vote for?
A thing I forgot to talk about is how Russia will be pleased to get a weaker EU. I still consider EU is shit, but for the moment it's the main institution which keep us together. If this vote end with leaving EU, it won't be with unprecedented and some countries will try to do the same.
And it's known Russia is founding some extrem right parties, which are against EU. If Putin acts like that it means he got some stuffs behind his head.
Thinking it from a national POV, from an international POV.. That's the hell of a vote you got here.
Haha. I was convinced we were able to vote online for some reason so I just shoved my polling card in a drawer somewhere like an idiot. I hope I've not lost it.
Im a bit worried because I did get a polling card a couple of weeks ago but im beginning to think it was for mayoral elections and im going to look like a wally.
A thing I forgot to talk about is how Russia will be pleased to get a weaker EU. I still consider EU is shit, but for the moment it's the ma… morein institution which keep us together. If this vote end with leaving EU, it won't be with unprecedented and some countries will try to do the same.
And it's known Russia is founding some extrem right parties, which are against EU. If Putin acts like that it means he got some stuffs behind his head.
Thinking it from a national POV, from an international POV.. That's the hell of a vote you got here.
I find it weird that the same people complaining about the EU being democratic don't say anything about the House of Lords, but I guess it's more taboo to criticise Britain itself in Leave circles.
Also interested in Leavers' opinions on this study showing misconceptions about the EU. Just more pro-stay propaganda?
It's nice to know that people are ready to kill to have their leave from EU over at Britain (intimidation tactics.)
I mean seriously, isn't that kind of stupid way to handle the situation?
Anyway it's like a game. Staying on EU means there's no risk taken on that regard, leaving EU is gamble option that either pays off or blows up to their faces.
The unelected EU Commission makes our laws, which we can't reject or amend if we dislike it
The unelected House of Lords does not make our laws, on the odd occasion it does introduce a draft bill, it can be blocked or amended by our elected House of Commons. Just wanted to get that out there
I find it weird that the same people complaining about the EU being democratic don't say anything about the House of Lords, but I guess it's… more more taboo to criticise Britain itself in Leave circles.
Also interested in Leavers' opinions on this study showing misconceptions about the EU. Just more pro-stay propaganda?
https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/3742/The-Perils-of-Perception-and-the-EU.aspx
Have to agree, strong NATO is ever more needed with the rise of Russian ambitions in Europe. EU is run by Germany mostly and not a few days ago the German foreign minister said NATO is warmongering by defending Baltics and Poland (stationing NATO troops there). Unbeliveable in the wake of war in Ukraine. The sooner EU gets ride of German dominance the better. Austerity they impossed killed the EU economy.
Yes, that's why General De Gaulle left it. For some reasons this scum of Sarkozy put us back in.
Not that I don't like that there's an alliance between Europa and the US, just feeling independant for our protection as you said would be cool.
Speechless? I'm disgusted. Sadly, people don't realise the value of democracy until it's gone. All the Remainers will realise one day that they can't change government, that they don't even know who the government is, and that they are now subject to an autocratic rule of which they don't agree with... but then it'll be too late. I for one won't be left red-faced
Highest immigration levels on record. At current population rise, this will lead to a 30% increase in A&E, crippling an already fragile National Health Service.
50-70% (don't even really know the percentage) of our laws made in a different country. 100% of ours subject to EU regulation and scrutiny. No-one in the EU Commission is elected. They have total authority given by no-one.
Running a £56bn trade deficit with a trading block of 28 countries, yet we still make money out of the EU? £27bn SURPLUS with the rest of the world.
Our security put at risk by freedom of movement, a fatally flawed system, everyone in the Commission refuses to see a problem in it.
And best of all, a small island, one which has stood the test of time, one where the people are highly civilised, educated, and well-meaning. Every single of them is being bullied and told that they're nothing without this Titanic of a political union. The government, the billionaires, the millionaires, the foreign politicians, some of whom have never stepped foot on British soil. They're all telling us we're nothing, they're manipulating you into thinking that we have nothing, that you're too stupid to think for yourself, and that you don't need to exercise your democratic voice. Sadly, some of us are falling for it, some of us are blindly stepping into the crumbling 'super-state;, thinking it's best... because THEY told you so, not your own voice, not your own opinion. This country has always stood up for itself, it's people willing to lay down their lives to defend us, for the British people, for British values, for Britain. But not anymore, for the first time, an outside threat is allowing us to turn against ourselves, our values, our country.
This isn't some doomsday prophecy put forward by the Leave Campaign. This is the reality right now. There's only one way to solve this problem.
£350 million sent a week to the EU. £19bn a year.
Highest immigration levels on record. At current population rise, this will lead to a 3… more0% increase in A&E, crippling an already fragile National Health Service.
50-70% (don't even really know the percentage) of our laws made in a different country. 100% of ours subject to EU regulation and scrutiny. No-one in the EU Commission is elected. They have total authority given by no-one.
Running a £56bn trade deficit with a trading block of 28 countries, yet we still make money out of the EU? £27bn SURPLUS with the rest of the world.
Our security put at risk by freedom of movement, a fatally flawed system, everyone in the Commission refuses to see a problem in it.
And best of all, a small island, one which has stood the test of time, one where the people are highly civilised, educated, and well-meaning. Every single of them is being bullied and told that they're nothing without thi… [view original content]
Our security put at risk by freedom of movement, a fatally flawed system,
To their defense..Frontiers can be restored in time of crisis, just as there is now.
You dont need to bring your card, its just proof that your registered and tells you which polling station to go to. You have to go to the right polling station.
Haha. I was convinced we were able to vote online for some reason so I just shoved my polling card in a drawer somewhere like an idiot. I hope I've not lost it.
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In. I don't really have any thoughts, whatever happens the government will always screw us, but i'd rather stay in.
I'm also not one for politics, don't like Labour, don't like Conservatives, hate ukip, all other parties are weak, it's like choose a shit party with a twat leader or vote for something pointless or not at all
Well, the perfidious Albion isn't all white either :^)
I mean, it's not like you were part of the EU in the first place. You created your own union with northerners (which failed), then joined the EU because of opportunism with your own status, wanting special rights while not the bad effect with it, with your country finally leaving it as soon as there's a threat of sinking. You weren't very honest when your country joined EU. Now I'm not aiming you in particular, but your government through the last decades.
Now let's talk about EU:
From the very beginning the purpose of the european communities was to make a federal state à la USA. We're even talking about FOUNDING FATHERS of european union. What a joke and an insult to the actual FF.
They began to destroy every particularism of law, first with economy then hitting the sovereignty of states. If they don't apply seeing the kind of law they can have a penalty about it.
Whenever economy is confronted to values as morale, or rights to strike, freedom or whatever, the european court will choose economy. Nowaday sometimes she chooses to protect fundamental rights but only for the minor cases.
Indeed, UE don't care about what we vote: there was a referendum for the constitution of EU, and not every country agreed (France being one which was against). Two years after, the same program was proposed again with few changes, and there was no referendum.
And next to all this shit, there's the TAFTA. No one know exactly what they discuss with the US, it's kept secret. But from what we know, big americans enterprises could sue our government if they think the government disturbs its economical interest (even if it's for the environment/for the rights of people) and because of the mighty "equality" of economy. they could sell their low cost products in our countries (no offense intended to you american readers).
Now let's see the reasons of why should you stay?
Contrary to the others countries you quoted, you will quit European Union, while they weren't part of the EU in the first place. EU might want to do an example: closing barrieres, not trading anymore etc.. For Switzerland when they changed their policy toward immigration, UE suspended Erasmus program.. What do you think they'll do if you quit it?
I think Barack Obama said he won't trade with your country too. Now I don't know how much your country trades with USA.
I'm all for an european union. But not a economical union, which shits on our rights for some profits. More for one which protect human's rights and all.
Now it's your choice but if I were you I would still vote against staying in the EU. Brace yourself for the outcome though.
It's interesting. The Socialists and National Conservatives seem to be united in wanting to leave while the mainstream Liberals, Conservatives and Social Democrats want to stay. I'm not a European, so I'm afraid my knowledge is limited. If someone wants to give me the concise argument if both sides, that would be great.
The oligarchs seem to be throwing their weight behind the 'stay' option, which will probably be chosen. Unfortunately, liberals will always be the lowest common denominator.
If you are interested in reading, BBC has all the information needed http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum
Ah, I remember hearing about this in media studies. I really have no opinion in it, but I guess I'll pick we should leave??
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Being 21, I don't know much else, I'm unsure what leaving will change, it's the uncertainy of whats happening. Leave campaign seems to be based around immigrants which seems like they're leaving the EU so we don't have people coming in. But they bring in millions to this country. Plus i'm not overly political, staying in seems best
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From reports it looks likes younger people are mainly In, where as I've heard that most older people want to Leave, all the farmers want to leave aswell
I'm not a UK or EU resident so don't really have a stake in the matter, but the UK has always seemed to be the odd one out ever since the EU was formed. I think it will work out OK either way. Things won't collapse if the UK stays, and Civil War won't break out if the UK secedes, er, leaves.
The US wasn't all a bunch of happy cooperating agreeable states in the beginning, either. (Some would say it still isn't.)
The point in US was that even if it took times almost all states ended to agree to be a federal one. EU is more sly; they made it like it was only economical and on certain points: steel and coal (CECA) for example then it took point by point the sovereignty of our states. If you ask now almost no one feel european.
The states in America were younger when they began to form the US; ours have thousand of years of rivalry, our own cultures, languages and so on..
You're welcome to come live with me
)))))))
Crud. Someone was assassinated over this.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-36550304
What happened is tragic but we cant say it was assassination.
True. It is tragic, though, and plain awful.
And naturally, the 'Remain' campaign twisted what happened into anti-Brexit propaganda, before Jo Cox's body was even cold... throwing lies and half-truths all over the place. I don't think it was an assassination, but the timing, effect and benefit it will bring for the government, the media and their agenda is undeniable. So on all fronts, this murder has been an extra vile spectacle to behold.
But we shall see the true impact of it next week. Sad, though.
Unfortunately it has been used in a sickening way. the remain campaign have been painting the leave people as racists and thugs and this has played right into their hands.
I hate votes they are all surrounded with propaganda.
It really has, and I've been quite disgusted by it to be honest... and if it ends up being the thing that pushes them over the threshold to gain a victory, then that's even more depressing. All the 'Remain' campaign has been so far is the elite scare mongering and bullying people into voting against their own interests... and now they're even using this tragedy for that as well.
They are indeed, but this particular one will be over very shortly.
Spotted this in my hometown. Good likeness.
I still have no idea what to vote and it's in 3 days time.
Who is the other guy on the picture?
Borris Johnson
Im a bit worried because I did get a polling card a couple of weeks ago but im beginning to think it was for mayoral elections and im going to look like a wally.
Oh yeah, I remember him, that's the guy who kept saying he was the mayor of the sixth biggest french city, that's not the kind of people one forget usually. :^)
From the little I understand of my neighboor politics, he's pro brexit? Do you know what you will vote for?
I was thinking leave. Im not really that sure theres been so much mud slinging from both sides its hard to know whats real and whats propaganda.
A thing I forgot to talk about is how Russia will be pleased to get a weaker EU. I still consider EU is shit, but for the moment it's the main institution which keep us together. If this vote end with leaving EU, it won't be with unprecedented and some countries will try to do the same.
And it's known Russia is founding some extrem right parties, which are against EU. If Putin acts like that it means he got some stuffs behind his head.
Thinking it from a national POV, from an international POV.. That's the hell of a vote you got here.
Haha. I was convinced we were able to vote online for some reason so I just shoved my polling card in a drawer somewhere like an idiot. I hope I've not lost it.
Here you go:
UK Polling Report
NATO still exists, that's the bloc that matters IMO. Though I would like to see Europe take more of its security into its own hands.
Yes, that's why General De Gaulle left it. For some reasons this scum of Sarkozy put us back in.
Not that I don't like that there's an alliance between Europa and the US, just feeling independant for our protection as you said would be cool.
I find it weird that the same people complaining about the EU being democratic don't say anything about the House of Lords, but I guess it's more taboo to criticise Britain itself in Leave circles.
Also interested in Leavers' opinions on this study showing misconceptions about the EU. Just more pro-stay propaganda?
https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/3742/The-Perils-of-Perception-and-the-EU.aspx
It's nice to know that people are ready to kill to have their leave from EU over at Britain (intimidation tactics.)
I mean seriously, isn't that kind of stupid way to handle the situation?
Anyway it's like a game. Staying on EU means there's no risk taken on that regard, leaving EU is gamble option that either pays off or blows up to their faces.
The unelected EU Commission makes our laws, which we can't reject or amend if we dislike it
The unelected House of Lords does not make our laws, on the odd occasion it does introduce a draft bill, it can be blocked or amended by our elected House of Commons. Just wanted to get that out there
Have to agree, strong NATO is ever more needed with the rise of Russian ambitions in Europe. EU is run by Germany mostly and not a few days ago the German foreign minister said NATO is warmongering by defending Baltics and Poland (stationing NATO troops there). Unbeliveable in the wake of war in Ukraine. The sooner EU gets ride of German dominance the better. Austerity they impossed killed the EU economy.
Speechless? I'm disgusted. Sadly, people don't realise the value of democracy until it's gone. All the Remainers will realise one day that they can't change government, that they don't even know who the government is, and that they are now subject to an autocratic rule of which they don't agree with... but then it'll be too late. I for one won't be left red-faced
£350 million sent a week to the EU. £19bn a year.
Highest immigration levels on record. At current population rise, this will lead to a 30% increase in A&E, crippling an already fragile National Health Service.
50-70% (don't even really know the percentage) of our laws made in a different country. 100% of ours subject to EU regulation and scrutiny. No-one in the EU Commission is elected. They have total authority given by no-one.
Running a £56bn trade deficit with a trading block of 28 countries, yet we still make money out of the EU? £27bn SURPLUS with the rest of the world.
Our security put at risk by freedom of movement, a fatally flawed system, everyone in the Commission refuses to see a problem in it.
And best of all, a small island, one which has stood the test of time, one where the people are highly civilised, educated, and well-meaning. Every single of them is being bullied and told that they're nothing without this Titanic of a political union. The government, the billionaires, the millionaires, the foreign politicians, some of whom have never stepped foot on British soil. They're all telling us we're nothing, they're manipulating you into thinking that we have nothing, that you're too stupid to think for yourself, and that you don't need to exercise your democratic voice. Sadly, some of us are falling for it, some of us are blindly stepping into the crumbling 'super-state;, thinking it's best... because THEY told you so, not your own voice, not your own opinion. This country has always stood up for itself, it's people willing to lay down their lives to defend us, for the British people, for British values, for Britain. But not anymore, for the first time, an outside threat is allowing us to turn against ourselves, our values, our country.
This isn't some doomsday prophecy put forward by the Leave Campaign. This is the reality right now. There's only one way to solve this problem.
Vote Leave.
Our security put at risk by freedom of movement, a fatally flawed system,
To their defense..Frontiers can be restored in time of crisis, just as there is now.
Although, effective frontier means that your potential enemy is not already past it.
Define what potential ennemy is.
Well.
As far I know, when attack happens by terrorists it often happens inside the borders.
So whoever wants to infiltrate there, is already in at a time they decide to close the borders to not let them in.
I doubt any country will attack Britain in a near future. They have no "real" enemies on that scale.
You dont need to bring your card, its just proof that your registered and tells you which polling station to go to. You have to go to the right polling station.