Scotland will leave...Ireland probably....
The Republic of Ireland is completely separate from the United Kingdom and has been for y… moreears. I'm sure you meant to say Northern Ireland, which is a different country from Ireland and remains apart of the UK, due to having a Unionist majority.
Is that so. The pound has already grown back halfway to were it was at 10pm on the 23rd, and I got that from last night, it has grown since. There was always going to be uncertainty on the FIRST DAY. Over the weeks and things become more certain and apparent, the markets will adapt to change and stabilise, they've done it before and they'll do it this time, it certainly isn't the hell hole you call it.
America, Canada and Germany have already said they want quick, special trading relations with Britain. Who knows how many more will follow, we're the 6th largest economy on the planet, we're not irrelevant and we won't be anytime soon.
I would love to see the evidence showing that many companies have shut down and moved abroad, Morgan Stanley, a major bank has already stated it will not be moving out of Britain.
As mentioned, inflation will get under control and I can't see job losses anywhere. As for tourism, I can't make a strong argument as I haven't researched it in detail, but it's a heavily competitive industry, business will cut prices to appeal to the consumers. There might be a rise but the business will start to chop them down to appeal to buyers. And I fully stand by what I said. Take the 302,000 living in Spain, most retirees, Britain pays their pension. That money then gets paid into Spain. It wouldn't be of any economic benefit to kick them out. And there you go again saying we're not relevant, we're completely relevant on the world stage, hence why the markets were effected, why countries are scrambling for press releases, why countries are seeking trades. Stop doing the country down with lies.
And yes Scotland voted Remain to the EU. They also voted Remain to the UK. Leaving the UK is mightily different to the EU, leaving the UK would shrink their economy and be a MAJOR constitutional upheaval, considerably more effort and effect than the EU. The mood in Scotland has become slightly more unionist, hence why the SNP lost it's majority in Holyrood and the Conservatives gained seats. If a referendum does happen, it'll will be soon not later, Sturgeon said she would hold it only if she was sure she'd win. She's not going to win when everybody and everything has calmed down
Now your last point leaves me with much concern. Just to clarify, not everyone who voted Leave were racist. I just want to get that one right because to say they were would be a bigoted and unintelligent answer. And maybe they did, but they had two choices, Leave or Remain. Even if they did all vote leave, that does not make Leave racist, or to any degree racist. I can tell you now that a vote to Leave was not racist or fascist in any way, your point is rather ineffective. They had to vote something, and the majority of the 17 million aren't racist, don't try to invalidate the Leave win by saying it was the racism vote.
Had Britain remained, it would have been a gigantic mistake, and I thank my lucky stars will we never get to find out why. The only hell breaking loose will be the other European countries breaking free from the EU in the coming years. I can say I'll be slowly sipping my tea in my lovely free, democratic, stable, Britain.
Yes, the pound has devalued, but this was to be expected. It has grown since this morning and the markets will continue to stabilise over th… moree coming weeks.
..I'm sorry, but nope. The pound dropped dramatically this morning, this is surely a sign of the hell hole we have dug ourselves into. Trading will be harder as Britain will be less relevant so I doubt we're a better "source of income" in the following years to come. Many companies have shut down and moved abroad and outsourced jobs where it is cheaper. Prices will surge, jobs will drop, unemployment will rise, and all hell will break loose. There will be many holidays being booked, holiday makers will have to fork out money to pay for visas and tourists will have to do the same. Tourism industry will be so impacted as flights will become more expensive. And why wouldn't a country kick us out? Britain is losing its relevance, nobody will want to trade with us.
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You're wrong, to a degree, Britain is not part of the Schengen area in that respect. All this means is all EU immigrants must show a passport, unlike mainland EU which is part of Schengen - No passports. Although they must show passports, we as a country has no power to turn them away. (Or should I say 'had')
I'm so tired and bordering on disgusted with the ageism. The elderly have worked, grafted, toiled, fought for 65+ years, they've paid rent, been to uni (some anyway) and lived the same life. They have every right to vote in this referendum. The young, of which is the demographic I belong to, are not special, we are not entitled to have more of a say than anyone else. Stop it with the bitter argument that the elderly will be dead soon and shouldn't have voted, it's uncivilised and hardly democratic. They voted Leave because they have the right. Just because Remain lost doesn't mean you have to demonise and disenfranchise them.
I am deeply saddened by the outcome of this referrendrum. Leaving the EU will make it merely impossible for myself as well as many others to… more pay rent, university, and other basic necessities as prices will surge in the coming years. Say what you want, but this is a terrible decision made by a vast majority of elders who care more about immigrants than their grandchildren. The thing is, almost all all won't even live to see it's consequences! Thanks Britain! It was nice knowing you.
It's almost funny if you think about it, people are so salty about leaving and demands that MAJORITY bends to the will of the minority, henc… moree rejecting the very idea of democracy. It show how little respect they have for the so glorified and beloved democracy. It seems it's cool as long as people vote as the establishment and buissness wants. If not people are instatny called dumb, unaware, rasist, bigots and other shit.
If you don't like it then go live in some dictatorship were the votes results are known ten years prior...
Did she? I hear a lot of politicians here who want to change it and the actual government has got only one remaining year. It's only Cazeneuve who stated it, nothing is 100% sure imo.
Yeah, Cazerneuve said, and according to this article the foreign minister, Ayrault also dismissed calls to renegotiate.
I don't know the political make-up of France so I don't know how much the opinion of the interior and foreign minister is worth in the big picture. But the newspaper I get this from is 'The Guardian' which was the most prominent Remain newspaper in the referendum. I guessed if they was saying it there must be some evidence
Did she? I hear a lot of politicians here who want to change it and the actual government has got only one remaining year. It's only Cazeneuve who stated it, nothing is 100% sure imo.
It doesn't matter whether or not the UK is better or worse off, what matters is the disparity between the votes. The majority of Scotland voted to remain, now it looks like they will be forced against their collective will to leave the EU, giving the SNP the opportunity to reintroduce another independence referendum to allow Scotland to remain within the EU - and this time more disillusioned young people will vote Yes.
This EU referendum was bad and its going to break up the UK itself.
The younger generation voted to stay within the EU, but the old people selfishly robbed them of that future by voting Brexit.
16-17 year olds were allowed to vote in the Scottish Independence referendum but not for the independence from the EU referendum? The only reason the Scottish referendum got so many Yes votes was because younger people could vote - the same young generation that is displeased with the Brexit result and will clamor for another Scottish independence referendum.
This was very poorly thought out, to think that democracy would be turned into such a joke...
Predictably, the Remain crowd has launched a petition for repeating the referendum with over 2 million signatures:
We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum.
The President and his dog the prime minister always have got the last word. Lately they sent Cazeneuve to negotiate with strikers, they ended with a plan, and the Prime Minister said it won't happen. They're completely arbitrary.
So, do not believe that much in it; Macron is against and if politics make a bit of pressure (mayors, "préfet", are against) it might change.
Yeah, Cazerneuve said, and according to this article the foreign minister, Ayrault also dismissed calls to renegotiate.
I don't know the … morepolitical make-up of France so I don't know how much the opinion of the interior and foreign minister is worth in the big picture. But the newspaper I get this from is 'The Guardian' which was the most prominent Remain newspaper in the referendum. I guessed if they was saying it there must be some evidence
Cameron going is fine by me. Kinda irked that Corbyn is probably gonna get the boot since he seems like one of the few honest to god Socialists in UK politics. Labor is showing themselves to be a bunch of liberals in socialist clothing IMO.
What's up with the xenophobism toward poles? They're nice guys and never bring problem.
From a french point of view you leaving seems also good for us. Now that you are out of the UE, Merkel is more alone and Italy is "taking" your place, meaning she's in the minority now. It sounds good and in such scenario maybe there will be some good changes in it.
Also what's up with Cameron taking all his times? That's a shameful move on his part.
What's up with the xenophobism toward poles? They're nice guys and never bring problem.
From a french point of view you leaving seems als… moreo good for us. Now that you are out of the UE, Merkel is more alone and Italy is "taking" your place, meaning she's in the minority now. It sounds good and in such scenario maybe there will be some good changes in it.
Also what's up with Cameron taking all his times? That's a shameful move on his part.
Cameron is an ass. Damn. He demanded more and more, otherwise UK will leave. To satisfy right wingers from his party he organised referendum. After more than 40 years british people noticed Union is not fun anymore. Bye. Cameron caused serious turmoil. Europe will pay, UK will pay. But Dave won't. He quit. Someone else will have to clean this mess.
That's how it is. If you're a Mad Liberal, and someone Disagrees with you, they're a Neo Con. If you're a Mad Neo Con and someone disagrees with you, you accuse them of being Libtard or whatever silly nickname they use now. lol
I'm not sure the question of staying in the EU vs not is a liberal issue..?
Just seems like these days if someone disagrees with you (not you specifically Mark) they are mad liberals, lol
This referendum shows how people vote based on their opinions and feelings rather than knowledge and research. Especially when "Brexit" voters now started thinking how them leaving EU will influence their every day life. For example look how badly it affected the value of British Pound.
Yes, a joke, I'm surprised you don't get it - the majority of Scotland votes to remain, but it doesn't matter what they democratically chose since its overshadowed by Leave votes from the other UK countries. Its almost autocratic, forced against its will to leave the EU, when the majority of its people voted to stay. But its good news for the SNP who can exploit this fact to increase support for Scottish independence through another independence referendum. Where more younger people (16-17 year olds) can vote just like they did in the previous referendum.
16-17 year olds couldn't vote in the EU referendum, if they could maybe Brexit wouldn't have been the outcome. Its not laziness like you're so bent towards suggesting, it was red tape.
A joke because youths in Scotland could vote Yes or No for Scottish indepdence but youths across the UK couldn't vote Yes or No for Brexit. This gave the older more conservative crowd across the UK (mainly England and Wales apparently) an unfair advantage. This was after all an Independence referendum from the EU, yet it was less open than the Scottish independence referendum.
So yes, this referendum turned democracy into a joke through its ill thought out design. Not because young people sat at home watching Netflix.
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You are right, sorry.
The U.K. had control of their borders, one of the few EU nations allowed to keep absolute control.
No problem.
Found the supposed voting levels, as expected young people voted the least
Vote amounts by age group
18-24: 36% voted
25-34- 58% voted
35-44- 72% voted
45-54- 75% voted
55-64- 81% voted
65+ - 83% voted
I think France said that there wouldn't be any change to 'Le Touquet' just today I think, just thought I'd update
Is that so. The pound has already grown back halfway to were it was at 10pm on the 23rd, and I got that from last night, it has grown since. There was always going to be uncertainty on the FIRST DAY. Over the weeks and things become more certain and apparent, the markets will adapt to change and stabilise, they've done it before and they'll do it this time, it certainly isn't the hell hole you call it.
America, Canada and Germany have already said they want quick, special trading relations with Britain. Who knows how many more will follow, we're the 6th largest economy on the planet, we're not irrelevant and we won't be anytime soon.
I would love to see the evidence showing that many companies have shut down and moved abroad, Morgan Stanley, a major bank has already stated it will not be moving out of Britain.
As mentioned, inflation will get under control and I can't see job losses anywhere. As for tourism, I can't make a strong argument as I haven't researched it in detail, but it's a heavily competitive industry, business will cut prices to appeal to the consumers. There might be a rise but the business will start to chop them down to appeal to buyers. And I fully stand by what I said. Take the 302,000 living in Spain, most retirees, Britain pays their pension. That money then gets paid into Spain. It wouldn't be of any economic benefit to kick them out. And there you go again saying we're not relevant, we're completely relevant on the world stage, hence why the markets were effected, why countries are scrambling for press releases, why countries are seeking trades. Stop doing the country down with lies.
And yes Scotland voted Remain to the EU. They also voted Remain to the UK. Leaving the UK is mightily different to the EU, leaving the UK would shrink their economy and be a MAJOR constitutional upheaval, considerably more effort and effect than the EU. The mood in Scotland has become slightly more unionist, hence why the SNP lost it's majority in Holyrood and the Conservatives gained seats. If a referendum does happen, it'll will be soon not later, Sturgeon said she would hold it only if she was sure she'd win. She's not going to win when everybody and everything has calmed down
Now your last point leaves me with much concern. Just to clarify, not everyone who voted Leave were racist. I just want to get that one right because to say they were would be a bigoted and unintelligent answer. And maybe they did, but they had two choices, Leave or Remain. Even if they did all vote leave, that does not make Leave racist, or to any degree racist. I can tell you now that a vote to Leave was not racist or fascist in any way, your point is rather ineffective. They had to vote something, and the majority of the 17 million aren't racist, don't try to invalidate the Leave win by saying it was the racism vote.
Had Britain remained, it would have been a gigantic mistake, and I thank my lucky stars will we never get to find out why. The only hell breaking loose will be the other European countries breaking free from the EU in the coming years. I can say I'll be slowly sipping my tea in my lovely free, democratic, stable, Britain.
You're wrong, to a degree, Britain is not part of the Schengen area in that respect. All this means is all EU immigrants must show a passport, unlike mainland EU which is part of Schengen - No passports. Although they must show passports, we as a country has no power to turn them away. (Or should I say 'had')
I'm so tired and bordering on disgusted with the ageism. The elderly have worked, grafted, toiled, fought for 65+ years, they've paid rent, been to uni (some anyway) and lived the same life. They have every right to vote in this referendum. The young, of which is the demographic I belong to, are not special, we are not entitled to have more of a say than anyone else. Stop it with the bitter argument that the elderly will be dead soon and shouldn't have voted, it's uncivilised and hardly democratic. They voted Leave because they have the right. Just because Remain lost doesn't mean you have to demonise and disenfranchise them.
It's not like those who voted Remain were that big on democracy anyway...
Did she? I hear a lot of politicians here who want to change it and the actual government has got only one remaining year. It's only Cazeneuve who stated it, nothing is 100% sure imo.
Yeah, Cazerneuve said, and according to this article the foreign minister, Ayrault also dismissed calls to renegotiate.
I don't know the political make-up of France so I don't know how much the opinion of the interior and foreign minister is worth in the big picture. But the newspaper I get this from is 'The Guardian' which was the most prominent Remain newspaper in the referendum. I guessed if they was saying it there must be some evidence
It doesn't matter whether or not the UK is better or worse off, what matters is the disparity between the votes. The majority of Scotland voted to remain, now it looks like they will be forced against their collective will to leave the EU, giving the SNP the opportunity to reintroduce another independence referendum to allow Scotland to remain within the EU - and this time more disillusioned young people will vote Yes.
This EU referendum was bad and its going to break up the UK itself.
The younger generation voted to stay within the EU, but the old people selfishly robbed them of that future by voting Brexit.
16-17 year olds were allowed to vote in the Scottish Independence referendum but not for the independence from the EU referendum? The only reason the Scottish referendum got so many Yes votes was because younger people could vote - the same young generation that is displeased with the Brexit result and will clamor for another Scottish independence referendum.
This was very poorly thought out, to think that democracy would be turned into such a joke...
Predictably, the Remain crowd has launched a petition for repeating the referendum with over 2 million signatures:
We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215
The President and his dog the prime minister always have got the last word. Lately they sent Cazeneuve to negotiate with strikers, they ended with a plan, and the Prime Minister said it won't happen. They're completely arbitrary.
So, do not believe that much in it; Macron is against and if politics make a bit of pressure (mayors, "préfet", are against) it might change.
So how do you guys feel about the Prime Minister resingning?
Hi Goust. Its me Lord, from FOTD.
I respect him for the fact he gave us this referendum. I give no sympathy as to how he fought his campaign.
And to his stepping down ?
And I am just sitting here enjoying the comments.
Do you like the argument's people are making or how................passionately they react to the results?
He lost his party support anyway. Plus, I want a pro-Brexit Prime Minister, not to mention I don't want Cameron in charge of the negotiations
And here I thought I was the only one. Well, to be fair, I'm a slightly uneducated American who is very curious about politics, but eh.
Long live the enclave
Couldnt have said this better
Both. The arguements people are coming up with are very interesting, as well as their passion in the subject and its results.
I think that Britain should do the logical thing and let the United States annex them. It'll fix everything.
Trust me
He'll provide clean drinking water for everyone in Europe, with just a pinch of FEV for flavor.
Not a Brit, but....
Cameron going is fine by me. Kinda irked that Corbyn is probably gonna get the boot since he seems like one of the few honest to god Socialists in UK politics. Labor is showing themselves to be a bunch of liberals in socialist clothing IMO.
What's up with the xenophobism toward poles? They're nice guys and never bring problem.
From a french point of view you leaving seems also good for us. Now that you are out of the UE, Merkel is more alone and Italy is "taking" your place, meaning she's in the minority now. It sounds good and in such scenario maybe there will be some good changes in it.
Also what's up with Cameron taking all his times? That's a shameful move on his part.
Working in the Houses of Parliament this week.
Shit's going crazy in all parties.
Interesting
I'm not sure the question of staying in the EU vs not is a liberal issue..?
Just seems like these days if someone disagrees with you (not you specifically Mark) they are mad liberals, lol
Hmm lets see white, christian, works hard and probability that they will explode is near 0% perfect target, without the risk of being called a racist.
Words of praise just don't do this post justice...........So I'll do a GIF.
But I'm a simple American, who has no dog in this fight.
Cameron is an ass. Damn. He demanded more and more, otherwise UK will leave. To satisfy right wingers from his party he organised referendum. After more than 40 years british people noticed Union is not fun anymore. Bye. Cameron caused serious turmoil. Europe will pay, UK will pay. But Dave won't. He quit. Someone else will have to clean this mess.
didnt something like this start revolutionary war
That's how it is. If you're a Mad Liberal, and someone Disagrees with you, they're a Neo Con. If you're a Mad Neo Con and someone disagrees with you, you accuse them of being Libtard or whatever silly nickname they use now. lol
Get em', Jeremy!
This referendum shows how people vote based on their opinions and feelings rather than knowledge and research. Especially when "Brexit" voters now started thinking how them leaving EU will influence their every day life. For example look how badly it affected the value of British Pound.
Yes, a joke, I'm surprised you don't get it - the majority of Scotland votes to remain, but it doesn't matter what they democratically chose since its overshadowed by Leave votes from the other UK countries. Its almost autocratic, forced against its will to leave the EU, when the majority of its people voted to stay. But its good news for the SNP who can exploit this fact to increase support for Scottish independence through another independence referendum. Where more younger people (16-17 year olds) can vote just like they did in the previous referendum.
16-17 year olds couldn't vote in the EU referendum, if they could maybe Brexit wouldn't have been the outcome. Its not laziness like you're so bent towards suggesting, it was red tape.
A joke because youths in Scotland could vote Yes or No for Scottish indepdence but youths across the UK couldn't vote Yes or No for Brexit. This gave the older more conservative crowd across the UK (mainly England and Wales apparently) an unfair advantage. This was after all an Independence referendum from the EU, yet it was less open than the Scottish independence referendum.
So yes, this referendum turned democracy into a joke through its ill thought out design. Not because young people sat at home watching Netflix.