What are your thoughts on Straight Pride Day?

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  • edited July 2016

    So can you be proud of aspects of yourself, or not? You seem to be contradicting yourself. First you say:

    I just think it makes more sense to be proud of actions or intentions rather than one's sexuality.

    But then you say:

    I agree that one should be proud of accepting oneself for who they are assuming that they haven't in the past.

    You seem to think being proud of ones sexuality isn't the same as accepting ones sexuality. Being proud of something is accepting that something. Plus you seem to think something has to be a good in order to be proud of it. That's not how it works. Murders can be prideful and feel proud of there murdering habits; anyone CAN feel pride about anything. To reiterate again, they're using the word pride because they feel pride in accepting themselves and they're proud of that. There is no reason using that word for their parade is unreasonable; and yes feeling pride is something anyone can do regardless of who they are. So what's your point there? If we are still arguing rather or not there should be a straight pride; I would still say no, being that's just my opinion. But my opinion means nothing. If straight people decided to put together a straight pride, by all means. It just furthers my point: People don't just have to feel proud about a particular "action or intention" they can also feel proud about an aspect or quality about themselves as well.

    Edit: There are people who feel pride for being, white. There are people who feel pride for being black. There are people who pride themselves of just being alive each day. Feeling proud and having pride for something is completely subjective.

    It's clear that we've got differing ideas of what we should be proud of. I just think it makes more sense to be proud of actions or intentio

  • That Straight Pride Day sounds like some undercover-gay shit.

  • IMO, the name of it kinda perplexes me.

    TWD_stan posted: »

    Gay pride was not born of a need to celebrate being gay, but our right to exist without persecution.

  • I'll explain my point in simpler terms: being proud of being gay and being proud of accepting that you're gay are two different things. A gay person growing up in a homophobic environment would feel afraid, lonely and maybe a little guilty because they think there's something wrong with them. Getting out of that environment and learning to accept who you are is a positive thing and something to be proud of. It's not because of your sexual orientation, but because you've overcome struggles that happen to relate to your orientation. Let's flip the tables and imagine a world were being gay was the norm and heterosexuality was considered wrong. Overcoming self-hate would be a positive regardless of sexual orientation in that scenario.

    Being proud of something is accepting that something.

    Not necessarily. Accepting something means you're not bothered by it's existence, but that doesn't mean that you're proud of it.

    . Murders can be prideful and feel proud of there murdering habits; anyone CAN feel pride about anything.

    Of course anyone CAN feel pride about anything, but does that mean you should? If someone told you that they were proud of being a murderer or a pedophile, would that not send up a few red flags in your mind?

    To reiterate again, they're using the word pride because they feel pride in accepting themselves and they're proud of that.

    And accepting yourself is indeed something to be proud of, but the term 'gay pride' would suggest to me that it is directly related to being gay, when anyone can accept and embrace who they are. It's indirectly linked to being gay in this situation, but being gay isn't a inherent requirement in accepting yourself.

    If we are still arguing rather or not there should be a straight pride; I would still say no, being that's just my opinion

    I've already said in this thread that both 'straight pride' and 'gay pride' kinda just make me shrug. If people want to have straight or gay pride parades or events, then I'm okay with that (in other words, I accept it).

    I think I've really said all I can say here. Don't get me wrong, I understand your point of view and respect your right to have it. I simply see it differently, and I don't think there's anything wrong with just have a different feeling about something. Seeing as this discussion could go on forever, I'll make this my last post on this specific topic. If you don't agree or see my logic, then I'm cool with that.

    MosesARose posted: »

    So can you be proud of aspects of yourself, or not? You seem to be contradicting yourself. First you say: I just think it makes more s

  • edited July 2016

    Let's flip the tables and imagine a world were being gay was the norm and heterosexuality was considered wrong. Overcoming self-hate would be a positive regardless of sexual orientation in that scenario.

    Okay so what's your point? The tables would just be flipped and heterosexuals would be having a straight pride annually, celebrating their struggles and bring the straight community together as the homosexuals are doing now.

    Not necessarily. Accepting something means you're not bothered by it's existence, but that doesn't mean that you're proud of it.

    True, but being proud of something does mean you have accepted that something. You can't be proud of something you haven't accepted as being valid, correct, or in favor of, etc... Example: I can't say I'm proud of things God has done for the world, when I don't accept the idea of there actually being a God ( sorry if this offend anyone, just needed an example). The statement is ridiculous. Homosexuals are proud of themselves for accepting their sexuality when they constantly been told it's wrong. That's the point.

    Of course anyone CAN feel pride about anything, but does that mean you should? If someone told you that they were proud of being a murderer or a pedophile, would that not send up a few red flags in your mind?

    Sure that would send a few red flags in my mind, but it obviously doesn't send red flags in theirs. What I believe someone should be proud of doesn't mean that's how that person should feel about the subject also. Being proud of something is subjective. That's the reason people can feel proud about various things.

    And accepting yourself is indeed something to be proud of, but the term 'gay pride' would suggest to me that it is directly related to being gay, when anyone can accept and embrace who they are. It's indirectly linked to being gay in this situation, but being gay isn't a inherent requirement in accepting yourself.

    And that's what it may suggest to you but not to everyone. As the main goal of it is to bring the gay community together regardless of the name.

    I've already said in this thread that both 'straight pride' and 'gay pride' kinda just make me shrug. If people want to have straight or gay pride parades or events, then I'm okay with that (in other words, I accept it).

    Then what is the problem exactly?

    I'll explain my point in simpler terms: being proud of being gay and being proud of accepting that you're gay are two different things. A ga

  • edited July 2016

    Did you read the comments? People have explained like 20 times about why its called gay pride.

    It's not about being proud of your orientation, it's about not being ashamed of it, as many encourage homosexuals to.

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    Pride is a defect of the mind. But if people want to be proud of their sexual orientation? By all means, flaunt your heterosexuality girl friend.

  • That moment you find out you're asexual with bi-sexual tendencies.

  • Then what is the problem exactly?

    There is no problem. I'm simply explaining why I don't actively support it.

    MosesARose posted: »

    Let's flip the tables and imagine a world were being gay was the norm and heterosexuality was considered wrong. Overcoming self-hate would b

  • edited September 2020

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    Flog61 posted: »

    Did you read the comments? People have explained like 20 times about why its called gay pride. It's not about being proud of your orientation, it's about not being ashamed of it, as many encourage homosexuals to.

  • That was an amazing read.

    DillonDex posted: »

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  • Thank you :)

    MarijaaNo7 posted: »

    That was an amazing read.

  • edited July 2016

    Do they, though? Like who are these homophobes, where are they?

    You think homophobia in America doesn't really exist out of situations like the bakery?

    Here's an example: a massive proportion of homeless youth are LGBTQ individuals thrown out by their parents. Still. Just because you don't personally see gay people being harassed on the streets doesn't mean homophobia isn't still a problem in America whose ramifications can be seen with anything but the least nuanced view of the situation.

    Things like the bakery issue are just sensationalist issues thrown up by the media as interest stories, because things like corporations refusing to serve gay people are much more easier to deal with than more intrinsic issues like parents ostracising and throwing out their children, which are much harder to directly confront.

    Also, America isn't the only country in the world. Many countries don't allow gay pride parades while they throw gay people in prison. This at least raises visibility and much of pride, if you've ever actually been to one (have you been to one, out of interest, or have you just seen pictures of men in speedos during the parade?), works on a campaigning front.

    If lots of homeless youth were homeless because they had been thrown out by their parents because they're straight, then maybe straight pride would make sense. If straight people around the planet were thrown in prison for being straight, then maybe it'd make sense.

    DillonDex posted: »

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    Flog61 posted: »

    Do they, though? Like who are these homophobes, where are they? You think homophobia in America doesn't really exist out of situatio

  • No, I haven't read the other comments. I've no vested interested in the topic like you do.

    No it isn't. You don't hold a parade to show you're not ashamed of something. If you're not ashamed of something, and you're not proud of it, then it just is. You don't flaunt it with colorful balloons and floats, you just go about your day. That's the entire point of a "pride day", to show you're proud of who you are.

    Flog61 posted: »

    Did you read the comments? People have explained like 20 times about why its called gay pride. It's not about being proud of your orientation, it's about not being ashamed of it, as many encourage homosexuals to.

  • Pretty moronic, tbh.

    Gay pride parades serve a function. They allow a traditionally marginalized segment of society to come together, enjoy each others company and solidarity. Being different is a lonely condition and meeting a bunch of people like oneself might help that. If there's even a chance it could lower the LGBT suicide rate, that would already make it worthwhile IMO. Sure, for some it's probably just a good excuse for people to get shitfaced and go wild, but for others it may serve a greater purpose. They're also something of a historical artifact. Back in the early days, the movement had a much more radical "gay liberation" platform and pride parades were considered a provocative act of defiance. The LGBT rights movement has long since gone mainstream, but the parades remain.

    For straight pride parades, this purpose doesn't exist. Straight folks aren't marginalized or oppressed to anyone without a massive persecution complex. It stands to reason, they have no particular need for each other's solidarity and support. Do I support the right to have a straight pride parade? Absolutely! Do I think it's petty and meaningless, apart from spiting LGBT people? Yes.

  • Do they, though? Like who are these homophobes, where are they?

    In the entirety of my family, about every student in my school along with some teachers and their parents.

    If you ask me, I know about 5 people who are not homophobic and no, I'm not living in a third world country.

    DillonDex posted: »

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  • edited July 2016

    I guarantee you that a straight pride parade will house all manner of passive-aggressive homophobic shit-heels just looking to start a confrontation with those who may be less than favorable to it's existence. I mean, how do you handle something that is essentially competing with an already pre-existing event for those who are only looking for a form of self-expression in a society that, let's face it, kind of feels uncomfortable with depictions of homosexual representation in any and all forms of media?

    It certainly seems like a sleazy tactic to endorse a "my parade is bigger than your parade" statement and very little else. I mean, as a straight male, I honestly can't say I've ever had difficulties with my sexual affiliation when it's always been the at the forefront of marketing campaigns and trivialized romantic standards set in our society. I've never practiced for months on a speech and worked up courage on how and when to tell my own parents a truth that may see me rejected or worse, I've never had to hide a lie about my own sexuality to mask who I really am, and I've never had to pretend. It's an outlet that many gay men and women need in order to form that sense of pride, hence the name.

    And what the fuck!? I just saw a picture of the "parade," literally one guy walking around with a piece of cardboard and black and white balloons. Yeah, that's a very cultured and prideful look into what it's like to be straight, we're basically dogs. Can only see those two colors. Fuckin' hell.

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  • So then you may be bi-sexual.

    Asexuality exists in or around 1% of the human population so it may be just that you're romantic/sex-drive isn't big. Although it's obviously big enough to make that distinction that you're attracted to both genders.

    Clord posted: »

    That moment you find out you're asexual with bi-sexual tendencies.

  • edited September 2020

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    Do they, though? Like who are these homophobes, where are they? In the entirety of my family, about every student in my school along

  • It's not really necessary. Being gay was considered taboo in majority parts of the world and it still is! To me the Gay Pride Parade is just a day where people who are gay have fun and not worry that much about people who feels hatred toward them.

  • Well, it would be a bit strange to know the beliefs of everyone you've ever known, on this particular subject. I mean, it's not something that really comes up that often, is it?

    Same sex marriage was legalized relatively recently in Portugal (a few years ago) and the right to adopt by those couples has been vetoed some months ago which makes this a quite recent event to my country. Three months ago a social experiment realized by a popular national channel passed on the news therefore this became a trendy subject which created polemic.

    And I can 'sense' this homophobia because here, 'gay' is frequently used as an adjective to mock smething, characterizing it as femenine/weak/fragile. We also talked about this subject in my Spanish class a few times which had many of my colleagues sharing their homophobic opinion. I can also remmber some family dinners where the subject came up and it's pretty sad that most of them do not approve and find it gross and immoral.

    Anyway, I've never been to Portugal, so maybe it really is a hot-bed of homophobia over there. I don't know.

    I can assume that the majority of the population is homophobic at least from what I've heard and seen. The social experiment had two male actors hug in a crowded bus stop while waiting for the bus. They had another actress verbaly shaming them. Some people stood up, sure, but the majority just looked the other way, while others even supported the lady. (It is in Portuguese, but in case someone wants to see it: ).

    What I do know is, we can only speak from what we've seen and read and watched our entire lives. I mean, I've never met a homophobe. A few racists, perhaps, but never anyone even slightly homophobic. I don't think anyone really cares anymore, certainly no one I've ever met or seen... in my life, in TV, on social media, anywhere.

    I agree, and I can only talk about what I've experienced and seen as well. When I said that I literally can only think about 5 people being ok around homosexual people I was talking seriously. I'm glad that this isn't a problem in your country, but it certainly is in mine.

    Now, all of this from both of us is of course anecdotal, I-say-you-say stuff, but you did it, and now I have, too.

    Well, I'm sorry then but seeing people adressing homophobia as a solved issue is quite odd to me and that led me to comment (I guess I got triggered? xD)

    And a straight pride day (note, I don't care about it, I'm just saying this for argument's sake) is not an affront to gay pride day; it is the simply the message, we can all celebrate who we are. I personally find that message more pleasant and all-encompassing (for everyone) than: I can celebrate who I am because of X reason, but you can't because of Y reason. That just gives feelings of supremacy to one side, and feelings of resentment to the other, which in turn leads both groups to a bad place.

    I don't know enough about these 'pride days' to have a consistent and fundamented opinion on it but I've seen some users addressing it as more of a day to make gay people not feel ashamed for their sexuality than a day for gay peple feeling proud for their sexuality (If that's true, the name surely is missleading).

    DillonDex posted: »

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    Well, it would be a bit strange to know the beliefs of everyone you've ever known, on this particular subject. I mean, it's not something th

  • edited July 2016

    In Portugal, it seems unlikely, but I couldn't say otherwise as I'm not in a position to do so, but I can assure the majority of people in America and Britain are not homophobic. Again, people grossly overestimate how much the average person cares about the sexuality of others.

    I just wanted to add that I obviously don't know if the Portuguese population is mostly homophobic. I assume so because most of the people I know and interact (and had a conversation on the subject with, of course) is, but it's also worth noting that I'm still young therefore I mostly interact with a younger therefore more immature demographic which makes my assumption probably inaccurate.

    I'm not in a position to label the whole Portuguese population and I hope no one gets offended by what I said.

    DillonDex posted: »

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  • No problem. :D

    Flog61 posted: »

    EDIT: Sorry, misread.

  • I never knew this day existed

  • Orlando shooting happens and LGBT around the world try and express their pride in the face of hate. Then you have people come out saying "WHAT ABOUT STRAIGHT PRIDE?????"

    If you can't see how that is just fucked up thing to do in light of recent events than I don't even...

    I don't see how this is in the least bit disrespectful.

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