So you think in the wake of actual violence saying "Oh the humanity. The apocalypse is alot sweeter than I thought. Butthurt people afraid of their loss make my day." is okay?
So you think in the wake of actual violence saying "Oh the humanity. The apocalypse is alot sweeter than I thought. Butthurt people afraid of their loss make my day." is okay?
I'm not. So you can't say that for everyone. People where afraid of their loss, because they are paranoid. This same bullshit was said when … moreany president someone didn't like was elected. "oh the end of the world because I didn't get my way". Anyways, pretending that the end of the world is coming because, somehow Trump, Im welcoming it, does it really matter? because the world was just soo perfect before Trump became president -_- You obviously think God is returning, why are you afraid?
That wasn't my assumption. What I meant is it requires only a bit of knowledge about history to see it.
I'm not pretending that everything is just fine (which is simplifying MY argument to sound dumb)
I wasn't aiming you in particular (though you're particular optimistic about it): more about how everyone reacted to the thread made. Like it's being butthurt to complain about what's going on.
But I'm saying that the things that happen two days after the election are likely not the things that are going to be happening for four years.
Yes I get it. And I didn't say it will be for four years either.
If this continues the people will notice and act on this
That's basically why one ring a bell about it. Because oddly, watching this thread, the people don't seem to notice it.
Only time will tell us the extent of how much racism will increase in your country with his election.
That's what's I took my arguem… moreent from so I did not try to simplify what you are saying, my argument being racism is not increasing, just intensifying. Stop assuming no one knows anything about history, it was one of my best and favorite subjects in school. Of course I know there are patterns of these things happening in the past, and I'm not pretending that everything is just fine (which is simplifying MY argument to sound dumb) But I'm saying that the things that happen two days after the election are likely not the things that are going to be happening for four years. America has a system of checks and balances to help keep the extreme in check. If this continues the people will notice and act on this, because it will not be tolerated. I don't think that the future of democracy is breaking down in this one day.
Paranoid. Whatever. Live your life in fear, and join the people crying over it, see where that gets you. The complete opposite seems to happ… moreen on the republicans side when a democrat won. Trumps not even in the office and you people are thinking your lives are over. Like I said, the wrong people get blamed. Its not Trump ruining your lives, its YOU.
Good. I will gladly live my life on freely until this "apocalypse" comes instead of crying and being afraid until it does like you. Im not scared, nor do I give a shit.
There was one image. And this isn't really even a discussion, look how many people agree with how your handling this.. one? Why are you even crying about it then if you think it won't effect you? You'll be affected aswell if it is true by the way, in many ways
I never said I was afraid. And I'm a Canadian citizen so I didn't win or lose.
And did you not look at the images and stories? If not, then we shouldn't even be having this discussion
Emotions are high right now, and that's why no one is "noticing". So much stuff happening during a sensitive time it is collective sensory overload. And that is why I keep repeating what you know to be my tired point: it's been a day. Let's cool it. Yes, these thing these people are doing awful things. People have always done awful things. Let's just wait a while to see if it does develop into an abnormal pattern to be concerned about at a nationwide level. Otherwise it really going to turn into a Witch Hunt, because if we try to solve anything too soon, we won't know what extent of the problem there even is to solve, and innocent people that had nothing to do with the racists might still get lumped in with them.
It's not optimism, it's realism. The presidency does not usually bring democratic overhaul or complete revolt. I'm followng patterns of history, same as you are. If I were am optimist I would think trump is going to solve all of the country's issues. He won't.
Stop assuming no one knows anything about history
That wasn't my assumption. What I meant is it requires only a bit of knowledge abo… moreut history to see it.
I'm not pretending that everything is just fine (which is simplifying MY argument to sound dumb)
I wasn't aiming you in particular (though you're particular optimistic about it): more about how everyone reacted to the thread made. Like it's being butthurt to complain about what's going on.
But I'm saying that the things that happen two days after the election are likely not the things that are going to be happening for four years.
Yes I get it. And I didn't say it will be for four years either.
If this continues the people will notice and act on this
That's basically why one ring a bell about it. Because oddly, watching this thread, the people don't seem to notice it.
I meant to say this earlier, but I wouldn't want to live in a world where we have to cater and give the same people who would willingly demolish America just for not giving them what they want, just to keep them from destroying America. Coward move.
Let's just wait a while to see if it does develop into an abnormal pattern to be concerned about at a nationwide level
That's what I asked aswell, on the end we're not that far different from what we say, but I've got the feeling there's a lack of understanding between us.
The presidency does not usually bring democratic overhaul or complete revolt. I'm followng patterns of history, same as you are.
Only if you're concerned with America's history. In others countries, it happened, so it's a possibility. If you watch history, it requires an economic crisis, a hate for politicians and corruption, speech of hate. The settings are basically the same as a century ago. Still I don't mean Trump is a dictator, nor his people. But when such events are coming (those put in the initial post): making threats of killing, hitting kid, racial insults en masse and almost nobody give a shit, yes, it is a threat to democracy. If no one stands against it, what's the next step? That's what I'm asking.
If I were am optimist I would think trump is going to solve all of the country's issues
That's not my point; I'm not even talking about Trump will be a good president or not; simply how his speechs affect people. Today is a proof of how it affected them. When I say you're optimistic, I'm talking toward these racist events and you being kinda like "ok, it's just for one day". Even for "one day" it's already too much, and should be a serious matter of concern.
It will probably be my last answer; I hesitated to answer there but you brought new matter. Feel free to answer though, I'll read it.
Emotions are high right now, and that's why no one is "noticing". So much stuff happening during a sensitive time it is collective sensory o… moreverload. And that is why I keep repeating what you know to be my tired point: it's been a day. Let's cool it. Yes, these thing these people are doing awful things. People have always done awful things. Let's just wait a while to see if it does develop into an abnormal pattern to be concerned about at a nationwide level. Otherwise it really going to turn into a Witch Hunt, because if we try to solve anything too soon, we won't know what extent of the problem there even is to solve, and innocent people that had nothing to do with the racists might still get lumped in with them.
It's not optimism, it's realism. The presidency does not usually bring democratic overhaul or complete revolt. I'm followng patterns of history, same as you are. If I were am optimist I would think trump is going to solve all of the country's issues. He won't.
You know, if you look at the facts Trump never once said any of this is okay, nor did he say racism is okay. People seem to forget that the same shit people are saying about Trump were once said about Mitt Romney. It wasn't true then, and it's not exactly true now either.
To be fair, you're ridiculing everyone who doesn't agree with you and you appear to be trying to force your god-fearing beliefs onto us, when many of us do not believe in the big dude. I really don't think that's "trying".
They didn't say 'all people are afraid for their lives', they said 'people' are, which is true.
Gonna have to agree with Flog on this one. People are genuinely afraid for both valid and invalid reasons, but even the invalid reasons count because people are scared for their lives. We don't know where this will go, we don't know what his supporters are gonna do or Hillary's supporters are gonna do, we don't know how much Mike Pence will affect any of this. It's a terrifying experience especially for those who are scared of Trump. You can't just invalidate other people's feelings on the matter because you're having the time of your life.
I'm not. So you can't say that for everyone. People where afraid of their loss, because they are paranoid. This same bullshit was said when … moreany president someone didn't like was elected. "oh the end of the world because I didn't get my way". Anyways, pretending that the end of the world is coming because, somehow Trump, Im welcoming it, does it really matter? because the world was just soo perfect before Trump became president -_- You obviously think God is returning, why are you afraid?
They didn't say 'all people are afraid for their lives', they said 'people' are, which is true.
Gonna have to agree with Flog on thi… mores one. People are genuinely afraid for both valid and invalid reasons, but even the invalid reasons count because people are scared for their lives. We don't know where this will go, we don't know what his supporters are gonna do or Hillary's supporters are gonna do, we don't know how much Mike Pence will affect any of this. It's a terrifying experience especially for those who are scared of Trump. You can't just invalidate other people's feelings on the matter because you're having the time of your life.
Why don't you all grow up, respect each other's right to think whatever you want, and stop playing the blame game. These political and social discussions go nowhere because everyone is about proving themselves right and others wrong even if they say they aren't. If this is truly a free country, respect others' freedom of thought and speech. There will never be a perfect president, like there will never be perfect people. I am a trump supporter. I have my reasons and my concerns, but let's give him a chance. And let's not blame isolated incidents meant as cries for attention as being sanctioned by our soon to be president. He has removed the yoke of political correctness for better or worse. Try looking at it from a different angle.
Yes, because they're stupid, not because Trump told anyone to do that or that Trump himself had anything to do with it. People will use any little thing to manipulate it as an excuse to behave a certain way, they always have.
You know, if you look at the facts Trump never once said any of this is okay, nor did he say racism is okay. People seem to forget that the … moresame shit people are saying about Trump were once said about Mitt Romney. It wasn't true then, and it's not exactly true now either.
No. It will be taken down if someone attacks you personally, but not if they're just using it to illustrate a point. Nobody cares if one per… moreson or another gets "offended". "Fucking hell, guys" and "shit" is in no way out of line for a mature online forum.
Wow. Really? That reminds me of the BLM protests a while back. "What do we want? Dead cops!" Those are really stand up people. Violence in any form, especially that which affects the citizenry, is not the answer and not the way to make rational people heed your message.
Yes, because of anti-trump protesters. Is that really Trumps fault? What has the world come to when you blame the person who just happened t… moreo win, instead of blaming the people who should suck it up and stop crying about it, they are the ones destroying and setting things on fire, I just watched a video of them doing it.
Not because (…) Trump himself had anything to do with it.
He accepted the nomination for president of the US; that makes him indirectly responsible for what came after.
Of course he is involved!
When I claimed that "the two convey the same point," I was saying that Trump making idiots vocal and idiots using him as a an excuse to act as idiots ultimately point at the same reality. Neither of these statements relate to Trump possibly being racist.
Listen, I'm not saying these things are okay, or they get a free day-pass. You're making it seem like I'm callous and don't care about people on a human level. Right now I am arguing, on a complete, overarching view of democracy and this nation as a whole going into the future, I don't think this is a sure sign of a permanent downwards spiral.
And yes, I am mostly concerned with only American history right now. Because when comparing political trends, it's most appropriate to first start domestically. America has a different government system than the rest of the world, patterns of their politics don't necessarily apply the same way. The system of checks and balances does a fairly good job of insuring the president doesn't have too much power. If he does somehow get past congress and the supreme court and crosses a line, the public won't hesitate to call for impeachment. Simple as that. I think what my main message is here, is that the political environment at the moment is too early and abnormal to be calling any shots as to what the future will hold. It is way, WAY too early to say this is the indication of the end of democracy, or the apocolypse, or the second coming of christ, or the holocaust (not that you have said these things, just things I have seen elsewhere) or what have you. I think having a level head and not getting too ahead of ourselves is the best route to take right now. If there's real trouble we'll deal with it when it comes.
Let's just wait a while to see if it does develop into an abnormal pattern to be concerned about at a nationwide level
That's what I… more asked aswell, on the end we're not that far different from what we say, but I've got the feeling there's a lack of understanding between us.
The presidency does not usually bring democratic overhaul or complete revolt. I'm followng patterns of history, same as you are.
Only if you're concerned with America's history. In others countries, it happened, so it's a possibility. If you watch history, it requires an economic crisis, a hate for politicians and corruption, speech of hate. The settings are basically the same as a century ago. Still I don't mean Trump is a dictator, nor his people. But when such events are coming (those put in the initial post): making threats of killing, hitting kid, racial insults en masse and almost nobody give a shit, yes, it is a threat to democracy. If no one st… [view original content]
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The picture implied it.
That's what I said..?
So you think in the wake of actual violence saying "Oh the humanity. The apocalypse is alot sweeter than I thought. Butthurt people afraid of their loss make my day." is okay?
What are you even talking about?
Okay, I'm done. Have a nice day.
Thank God.
No it didn't. It implied that liberals started going rebel and anarchist after Trump won
I never said I was afraid. And I'm a Canadian citizen so I didn't win or lose.
And did you not look at the images and stories? If not, then we shouldn't even be having this discussion
That wasn't my assumption. What I meant is it requires only a bit of knowledge about history to see it.
I wasn't aiming you in particular (though you're particular optimistic about it): more about how everyone reacted to the thread made. Like it's being butthurt to complain about what's going on.
Yes I get it. And I didn't say it will be for four years either.
That's basically why one ring a bell about it. Because oddly, watching this thread, the people don't seem to notice it.
Oh honey, I can't wait to see your face when things REALLY turn to shit.
I'm not blaming America as a whole, thank you. Apologies if it came across as that
Good. I will gladly live my life on freely until this "apocalypse" comes instead of crying and being afraid until it does like you. Im not scared, nor do I give a shit.
There was one image. And this isn't really even a discussion, look how many people agree with how your handling this.. one? Why are you even crying about it then if you think it won't effect you? You'll be affected aswell if it is true by the way, in many ways
Yes, and I was saying that's not really the case.
Emotions are high right now, and that's why no one is "noticing". So much stuff happening during a sensitive time it is collective sensory overload. And that is why I keep repeating what you know to be my tired point: it's been a day. Let's cool it. Yes, these thing these people are doing awful things. People have always done awful things. Let's just wait a while to see if it does develop into an abnormal pattern to be concerned about at a nationwide level. Otherwise it really going to turn into a Witch Hunt, because if we try to solve anything too soon, we won't know what extent of the problem there even is to solve, and innocent people that had nothing to do with the racists might still get lumped in with them.
It's not optimism, it's realism. The presidency does not usually bring democratic overhaul or complete revolt. I'm followng patterns of history, same as you are. If I were am optimist I would think trump is going to solve all of the country's issues. He won't.
Panic and hand-wringing won't help you. it's time to organize and develop plans of action for when the executive orders start coming down.
I meant to say this earlier, but I wouldn't want to live in a world where we have to cater and give the same people who would willingly demolish America just for not giving them what they want, just to keep them from destroying America. Coward move.
That's what I asked aswell, on the end we're not that far different from what we say, but I've got the feeling there's a lack of understanding between us.
Only if you're concerned with America's history. In others countries, it happened, so it's a possibility. If you watch history, it requires an economic crisis, a hate for politicians and corruption, speech of hate. The settings are basically the same as a century ago. Still I don't mean Trump is a dictator, nor his people. But when such events are coming (those put in the initial post): making threats of killing, hitting kid, racial insults en masse and almost nobody give a shit, yes, it is a threat to democracy. If no one stands against it, what's the next step? That's what I'm asking.
That's not my point; I'm not even talking about Trump will be a good president or not; simply how his speechs affect people. Today is a proof of how it affected them. When I say you're optimistic, I'm talking toward these racist events and you being kinda like "ok, it's just for one day". Even for "one day" it's already too much, and should be a serious matter of concern.
It will probably be my last answer; I hesitated to answer there but you brought new matter. Feel free to answer though, I'll read it.
You know, if you look at the facts Trump never once said any of this is okay, nor did he say racism is okay. People seem to forget that the same shit people are saying about Trump were once said about Mitt Romney. It wasn't true then, and it's not exactly true now either.
Yeah, alright buddy. Thanks for my daily chuckle.
To be fair, you're ridiculing everyone who doesn't agree with you and you appear to be trying to force your god-fearing beliefs onto us, when many of us do not believe in the big dude. I really don't think that's "trying".
Gonna have to agree with Flog on this one. People are genuinely afraid for both valid and invalid reasons, but even the invalid reasons count because people are scared for their lives. We don't know where this will go, we don't know what his supporters are gonna do or Hillary's supporters are gonna do, we don't know how much Mike Pence will affect any of this. It's a terrifying experience especially for those who are scared of Trump. You can't just invalidate other people's feelings on the matter because you're having the time of your life.
Good. I don't expect anyone to agree with me when it comes to politics. Not on here atleast.
Why don't you all grow up, respect each other's right to think whatever you want, and stop playing the blame game. These political and social discussions go nowhere because everyone is about proving themselves right and others wrong even if they say they aren't. If this is truly a free country, respect others' freedom of thought and speech. There will never be a perfect president, like there will never be perfect people. I am a trump supporter. I have my reasons and my concerns, but let's give him a chance. And let's not blame isolated incidents meant as cries for attention as being sanctioned by our soon to be president. He has removed the yoke of political correctness for better or worse. Try looking at it from a different angle.
He accepted the nomination for president of the US; that makes him indirectly responsible for what came after.
Of course he is involved!
If you look at the facts, never did I say that Donald Trump has claimed that racism is okay, either.
And @KrayZGamerNinja can call whomever they please God, as well. They have just as much of a liberty to do so as you have.
I don't have anything against you or your beliefs/ideals you know. I just disagree with some of the things people say.
It is out of guidelines to swear excessively.
Ask any moderator and they will tell you so, because that is precisely what the guidelines tell us.
Wow. Really? That reminds me of the BLM protests a while back. "What do we want? Dead cops!" Those are really stand up people. Violence in any form, especially that which affects the citizenry, is not the answer and not the way to make rational people heed your message.
Lol, no it doesn't. That logic makes 0 sense, and he hasn't even taken office yet either.
"The two convey the same point."
But you actually did...
Okay, people are exaggerating so much, I get that a lot of people hate Trump but life will go on.
It is cause and effect.
How does it not make sense? Can you elaborate?
If I did, I demand proof.
Uhhh, I quoted it in the post.
What you quoted is unrelated.
When I claimed that "the two convey the same point," I was saying that Trump making idiots vocal and idiots using him as a an excuse to act as idiots ultimately point at the same reality. Neither of these statements relate to Trump possibly being racist.
Listen, I'm not saying these things are okay, or they get a free day-pass. You're making it seem like I'm callous and don't care about people on a human level. Right now I am arguing, on a complete, overarching view of democracy and this nation as a whole going into the future, I don't think this is a sure sign of a permanent downwards spiral.
And yes, I am mostly concerned with only American history right now. Because when comparing political trends, it's most appropriate to first start domestically. America has a different government system than the rest of the world, patterns of their politics don't necessarily apply the same way. The system of checks and balances does a fairly good job of insuring the president doesn't have too much power. If he does somehow get past congress and the supreme court and crosses a line, the public won't hesitate to call for impeachment. Simple as that. I think what my main message is here, is that the political environment at the moment is too early and abnormal to be calling any shots as to what the future will hold. It is way, WAY too early to say this is the indication of the end of democracy, or the apocolypse, or the second coming of christ, or the holocaust (not that you have said these things, just things I have seen elsewhere) or what have you. I think having a level head and not getting too ahead of ourselves is the best route to take right now. If there's real trouble we'll deal with it when it comes.
Rest In Peace America (2009-2017)