Death penalty - Pro or against?

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  • That really depends on the crime(s) though.

    Get rid of it. Does nothing to deter criminals. Plus with the chance of executing innocent people...it just is not worth it.

  • For your information, death penalty use to affect innocent people aswell, here is one example:

    The wrong Carlos: how Texas sent an innocent man to his death

    (http://www.localhistories.org/capital.html)

    "Furthermore in the mid-20th century public opinion in the UK gradually turned against capital punishment. An innocent man called Timothy Evans was hanged in 1950. (Evans was supposed to have murdered his wife and baby daughter. In fact it was later found out that a man named John Reginald Christie murdered them and several other women. Evans was pardoned in 1966). Another innocent man called Derek Bentley was hanged in 1953. (Derek Bentley was pardoned in 1998). The last woman to be hanged in Britain was Ruth Ellis in 1955 and her case caused a great deal of controversy. Ruth shot her lover David Blakely but she probably wasn't in her right mind at the time. Then in 1956 Diana Dors starred in an anti-capital punishment film called Yield To The Night."

    Pro. I'd like to get even with child killers, rapists and serial killers. I'd hurt them slowly, then go Joker like on them. We need to do as

  • So you think problems are solved by violence? Let me tell you, it doesn´t, when it comes to ISIS it´s maybe the only way but otherwise, it rarely works.

    killing calls killing

  • I'm against it, but I'm curious on people's thoughts on this: if the purpose of prison is to rehabilite criminals, should sociopaths spend the rest of their lives in jail instead of being killed since there isn't a cure for sociopathy?

  • It can never be justified that suddenly it´s ok to kill someone, I mean, really, what signals does that sends out? Even if you have done something really messed up, suddenly the state decides if you´ll live or not and what if a innocent person is executed just beceause something went wrong? Can you imagine the suffering if that innocent human has a family?

    TheCatWolf posted: »

    I'm against it, but I'm curious on people's thoughts on this: if the purpose of prison is to rehabilite criminals, should sociopaths spend the rest of their lives in jail instead of being killed since there isn't a cure for sociopathy?

  • I'm generally against the death penalty but I have no formed opinion when it comes to sociopaths. If someone is convicted of murdering other person and they're diagnosed with sociopathy, what's the point of keeping that person alive (and spending money with them) since they'll never be cured?

    sevyn posted: »

    It can never be justified that suddenly it´s ok to kill someone, I mean, really, what signals does that sends out? Even if you have done som

  • So we punish them with the very crime they committed, murder?

    Stoop to their level? Is executing a criminal who butchered three kids the same thing? Some people have no right to continue living in this world if all they did is take somebody else from it.

  • I get your point but see it like this, if you throw those scumbags into a maximum security prison and let they do labor instead, should we just throw away good a excellent piece of work? ;)

    TheCatWolf posted: »

    I'm generally against the death penalty but I have no formed opinion when it comes to sociopaths. If someone is convicted of murdering other

  • Why just rapists?

    OneWayNoWay posted: »

    Don't deserve: framed convicts, rapists, kidnappers, robbers While I don't support the death penalty, I do believe some people deserve to die. Rapists, in particular, being one of those people.

  • And those who take the gift of life from others by murdering them, do they deserve to retain that gift?

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    If it's been 20 years and they haven't found anything, I would plead with them, beg them, to just execute me. I'm sure you would do the same, even if you don't believe you would right now.

    Poogers555 posted: »

    Well thats an opinion. Obviously if you didnt do something and you were locked up for life that would be horrible, but if I was arrested

  • It's worth noting that 'sociopath' and 'murderer' or 'criminal' aren't synonymous, though. There are plenty of people that would be diagnosed as sociopaths or having sociopathic tendencies that haven't committing crimes/killed anyone and don't intend to. In fact, studies have shown that a large percentage of C.E.O.s and top level management in businesses are made up of sociopaths simply because climbing the ladder in certain industries requires a level of brutality and cutthroat business practices and acumen where an unsympathetic attitude to one's colleagues is obviously a major advantage. So, oddly enough, from the view of productivity and advancement in the business endeavors that shape the world, benign sociopaths are an integral part of the progress behind the scenes.

    Now, you could certainly say that a sociopath is more capable of committing crimes, given they don't necessarily possess the empathy that would hold others back from doing so. And it's fair to say there isn't really a cure for sociopathy yet, and may never be. But given sociopaths often lead perfectly normal lives to the extent that no-one around them even realises they see the world differently, the line is blurred a bit as to whether sociopaths that have already offended could have a role or function within our world, even if they may not be able to be 'rehabilitated' the same way other criminals can.
    Everyone has certain strengths and talents that if channeled the right way could improve the world we live in, and by viewing a sociopath as just a person with another form of mental illness (granted a severe and potentially dangerous one), we have to also recognise the intrinsic value of that person. For the safety of others, we can keep certain individuals behind bars indefinitely, but just because they have been deemed 'unrehabilitatable' or at least unable to ever be safely and confidently reintroduced back into society, that doesn't mean that person needs to be immediately killed, or indeed made to live out the rest of their lives as 'purposeless', when they have the potential to improve the lives of others somehow.

    TheCatWolf posted: »

    I'm against it, but I'm curious on people's thoughts on this: if the purpose of prison is to rehabilite criminals, should sociopaths spend the rest of their lives in jail instead of being killed since there isn't a cure for sociopathy?

  • BigBlindMax seemed to be talking specifically about the U.S when he said the process was expensive, so I assumed that your comment in response was talking specifically about the U.S.

    Who said I was talking about the U.S?

  • I know, but I hate to see people defending the death penalty just because they think certain people are scum. I don't think the debate should be about who deserves to die and who doesn't.

    BigBlindMax posted: »

    To be fair, there are other valid arguments in support of death, besides deterring crime.

  • I'm torn on this one. I'm basically against it, but in at least one case I was relieved when the person died. That was Ted Bundy, who had killed a lot of women and had already escaped from prison and been put back in. I thought he might get out again--I didn't think he was coming for me or anything, but the thought of him out there was awful.

    I was also disappointed that Gary Ridgeway, the Green River Killer, didn't get the death penalty. He made a deal that he'd show the police where he had buried the bodies of the rest of his victims. That was great for the families, but he really was the worst; he killed only women he thought nobody would miss. But he was wrong--a lot of people did miss them! They all had families and loved ones. He was still killing women right up to the time they caught him, too, and he probably would have kept going as long as he could.

    So I guess I mostly don't believe in the death penalty. But in a very few isolated cases, it seems like the only safe thing for everybody.

  • Fair enough.

    I know, but I hate to see people defending the death penalty just because they think certain people are scum. I don't think the debate should be about who deserves to die and who doesn't.

  • It is kind of why if they're going to remove the Death Penalty having Maximum Prison Sentences is also very important. Life in Prison is excessively more cruel than just blowing their heads off. US Constitution states against Cruel and Unusual Punishment. Life in Prison is Cruel and Unusual Punishment in my opinion.

    A good example, Rudolf Hess, one of my favorite people to point out when it comes to none lethal forms of cruel and unusual punishment.

    If you don't know about Rudolf Hess. He was the Deputy Fuhrer of Nazi Germany. When the Battle of Britain was abandoned and the air war between Germany and Britain had devolved into both sides launching night raids on civilian populations, and Hess having what he believed close ties in Scotland decided to take it upon himself to rescue Germany and Britain from the horror that the war between their town countries had brought (This is in his eyes, and how he viewed it). So he flew to Scotland in the spring of 1941. Where of course he was captured. However, in turn he would spend the rest of the war as a prize of the British government, a few suicide attempts later he found himself being part of the Nuremberg Trials. In which he was charged of Crimes Against Peace, and Crimes Against Humanity (war crimes, murder ie normal Crimes Against Humanity). He was found not Guilty of War Crimes, but was found Guilty of Crimes Against Peace. A bogus crime created just for the Nuremberg Trials, as if anyone upholds that today, as a lot of political leaders even recently would be criminals today if they did.

    He was sentenced to life in prison. Not just Life in Prison, but Life in Prison in solitary confinement. He was not permitted to have visitors in short, ever unless they were allowed by the government, which never ended up being anyone he knew. He would die by way of suicide at the age of 93 in 1987, never getting to see any friends/family since he was put in prison. Sad story really, some of the guards were so sympathetic that they smuggled in his Luftwaffe uniform into his prison cell, the one he wore on his flight to Scotland. I guess a memento for a dream that ended in failure. It was eventually found and taken away from him though. You can take a wild guess that during his time in prison for decades there were appeals to let him out, even from the USSR, one of many countries that would nothing but want Nazis to hang.

    After reading that. How can death be considered worse?

    Megaodg33 posted: »

    If that's true, would it truly be the right and just thing to let an accused offender rot in jail for the rest of their lives, just to find

  • Depends on circumstance. Not that many deserve the death penalty though. When someone deserves it almost everyone knows they deserve it.

  • edited December 2016

    I don't consider death worse. At all. I just believe that I don't want human filth living on the same planet as me. Now what happened to the Nazi you mentioned, I'm glad the bastard got what he deserved and he died after spending decades in prison anyway. Even though it was the easy, he really only had years to live. Extra justice.

    Kameraden posted: »

    It is kind of why if they're going to remove the Death Penalty having Maximum Prison Sentences is also very important. Life in Prison is

  • edited December 2016

    Sounds like you've been taught to hate without thought. "Oh, he is a Nazi, he is automatically an evil man, and deserves to hang, and burn." You know what that sounds like? It sounds like a Nazi saying "Oh he is a Jew, he deserves to burn and hang." If you take away the uniform, and the affiliation. You end up with a man who was charged with war crimes, and conspiracy to launch a war of aggression. Key thing, the war crimes charges were dropped. He was then charged with the bogus crime of launching a war of aggression which has NEVER been illegal throughout human history and based on actions since, doesn't seem to be illegal today as people are still doing it. So he was put in prison for rest of his life just out of the sake of revenge/retribution. Not justice, it's a gross perversion of justice really. While the terms of his prison sentence can be best described as inhuman.

    Megaodg33 posted: »

    I don't consider death worse. At all. I just believe that I don't want human filth living on the same planet as me. Now what happened to the

  • I agree 100%. We have prisons that cost more than 50 million to sometimes HUNDREDS of million dollars for a reason.

    Flog61 posted: »

    Absolutely against, I see no gain in just killing people instead of trying to rehabilitate. Of course the prison system is already really focused on punishment and has hardly any rehabilitation programs so this is a far-off hope it seems.

  • You might actually think of the death penalty as useful only in extreme cases,but ,as you know,some people go to jail,even if they didn't do anything wrong,just because of a poor judgement or false accusations.Now,would you think of it as fair if you were in that situation and got sentenced to death?

  • People will never learn that "pedophile" does not equal "child rapist".

    BigBlindMax posted: »

    Murderers, Rapists, Pedophiles, Human Traffickers, Terrorists, and drug dealers, deserve the death penalty. "One a these things is not like the others. One of these things just doesn't belong."

  • Yes, they do.

    Kenny/Lee posted: »

    And those who take the gift of life from others by murdering them, do they deserve to retain that gift?

  • edited December 2016

    I believe exactly the same.

    Against. Correction and rehabilitation where possible. Otherwise life imprisonment. Solitary confinement for those who pose a particular risk. But no death penalty.

  • Being sociopathic is not a crime, but a condition. In light of this, sociopaths should be aware that they would never be free if they ever were to commit a major crime because providing them with a different outlook is much more difficult.

    TheCatWolf posted: »

    I'm against it, but I'm curious on people's thoughts on this: if the purpose of prison is to rehabilite criminals, should sociopaths spend the rest of their lives in jail instead of being killed since there isn't a cure for sociopathy?

  • I am in favor of rehabilitation and prevention of further immoral actions.

    I am never in favor of punishment, in any aspect of life.

  • At the same time however, Japan have and use death penalty by hanging, and they still barely have a extremely low crime rate, I understand of course that there´s something else here which contributes to keeping the crimes down but still, makes you wonder how it´s possible. During this year three people received the death penalty, same as in 2015. The crimes that gives death sentence are:

    *Murder.
    Killing another person is punishable by death. [1] However, as a matter of practice, Japan only imposes the death penalty for murder accompanied by other aggravating factors, including multiple victims and the commission of additional felonies.

    Other Offenses Resulting in Death.
    Robbery causing death at the scene of the robbery is punishable by death. [2] Rape during the course of a robbery that causes death is punishable by death. [3] Pollution of public drinking water causing the death of a person is punishable by death. [4] Causing the death of a person in the course of overturning or destroying a train or tram, or in the course of capsizing, sinking or destroying a vessel is punishable by death. [5] Endangering traffic, thereby overturning a train or tram or capsizing a vessel and causing death of a person is punishable by death. [6] Participating in a duel causing death is also death-eligible. [7]

    Terrorism-Related Offenses Resulting in Death. [8]
    Aircraft hijacking causing death [9] and destruction of airplanes resulting in death [10] are punishable by death.

    Terrorism-Related Offenses Not Resulting in Death. [11]
    Destruction by explosives and the illegal use of explosives are punishable by death. [12]

    Arson Not Resulting in Death. [13]
    Arson of a building, train, tram, vessel, or mine in which a person is present, or which is used as a dwelling, is punishable by death. [14]

    Treason. [15]
    Instigating foreign aggression against Japan [16] carries the death sentence. Assisting the enemy through direct military service or otherwise affording military advantage is punishable by death. [17] Leading an insurrection is punishable by death. [18]

    Other Offenses Not Resulting in Death.
    The following offenses are punishable by death:

    • Causing a flood that damages a building, train, tram or mine that is used as a dwelling or where people are present is punishable by death. [19]
    • Detonating an explosive and thereby damaging a building, train, tram, vessel or mine that is used as a dwelling or where people are present is punishable by death. [20]
    • Causing damage to an inhabited structure by trespass. [21]*

    (http://www.deathpenaltyworldwide.org/country-search-post.cfm?country=japan)

  • edited December 2016

    Actually, no. If he's a Nazi and committed no crimes, I would hate him, yes, but would I want him dead? No. Now, if he has killed Jews (or ordered someone to, etc.), just because they are Jewish, then he deserved everything you just said.

    Kameraden posted: »

    Sounds like you've been taught to hate without thought. "Oh, he is a Nazi, he is automatically an evil man, and deserves to hang, and burn.

  • edited December 2016

    Actually, no. If he's a Nazi and committed no crimes, I would hate him, yes, but would I want him dead? No. Now, if he has killed Jews (or ordered someone to, etc.), just because they are Jewish, then he deserved everything you just said.

    Kameraden posted: »

    Sounds like you've been taught to hate without thought. "Oh, he is a Nazi, he is automatically an evil man, and deserves to hang, and burn.

  • edited December 2016

    Damn, double post.

    Kameraden posted: »

    Sounds like you've been taught to hate without thought. "Oh, he is a Nazi, he is automatically an evil man, and deserves to hang, and burn.

  • If the crime is awful enough or the person themselves are proud of whatever crime it was, then I absolutely think the death penalty is necessary. However, if it's a simple or destructive crime like homicide, theft, vehicular manslaughter or even an accidental murder, then I say some time in the slammer is good enough. It's just when the person who committed crime feels no remorse or they've done something so fucking horrible, then I think they deserve it.

  • edited December 2016

    I support it as a punishment for first and second degree murder and ONLY first and second degree murder. My rationale behind this being that someone who willingly and purposefully takes someone's life, does not deserve to keep their own life.

  • Depends on your crime.

  • In extreme cases where the guilt is beyond all reasonable doubt, then yes. There are real monsters out there.

  • Death penalty - Pro or against?

    Too good for some people.

  • I can't help but think of Issei Sagawa when mentionning japan.

    sevyn posted: »

    At the same time however, Japan have and use death penalty by hanging, and they still barely have a extremely low crime rate, I understand o

  • I was ranting about this earlier today, I read that a proud and truly despicable pedophile is eligible for parole after only 7 years I would love it if she was brutally murdered.

  • edited December 2016

    I've never understood the death penalty as a punishment. It always seemed like an easy out for them, rather than having to deliberate about what they had done and live their final days regretting it. Instead you give them a painless death in its place.

    Then there are places like Texas where they fairly routinely execute people on shoddy evidence, sometimes even when new evidence comes to light that contradicts it.

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