An Unpopular Opinion On How *****/**** Were Dealt With And ANF As A Whole (Aka.Go Telltale!)
So I'm gonna start this post off with something that will annoy most of the people on this thread:
As of this point, A New Frontier is my favorite of the 3 seasons of The Walking Dead and I think the way that Kenny/Jane were dealt with is completely fine.
Now don't all rally on the hate train straight away and start saying:
"Bu-But Kenny and Jane shouldn't have died so quickly and Javier isn't Clem so it's not the best."
This is just my opinion, but an opinion based on some facts rather than what I see through rose tinted glasses (Though I admit I do have those on right now.)
First off, Javier. I think he's one of the best protagonists Telltale has written. We've has Lee as the tough badass with a heart and we've had Clem going from the innocent little girl to the girl who's lost everything by the end of season 2. But what I like about Javier is that he's just a normal, down on his luck guy who ends up getting the fresh start that he wanted thanks to the apocalypse and has grown up and got a grip on reality. I also like that he makes mistakes a lot, he knows what to do but he's still human. I really liked the direction the first episode started going, just a small family in a van that's trying to survive and I wish it would've stayed with it a while longer.
Clementine in this season is better too, not just because she's taken on Lee's role as badass, she's clearly still got a heart tucked away behind what she lets people see. From what I've seen too the stuff that's happened is still affecting her and I hope that'll come into play later when we find out what happened between her and The New Frontier.
The choices. A lot of the choices in this led me to do the cheap thing and pause to think about it. Even deciding if we should stay in the hut or go back out on the road made me think it over just cause I didn't want to disappoint the kids. The choice at the end of episode one had me screaming cause I wanted to kill them all as much as I wanted Kate to survive, and rather than just binary choices where it's "Pick who to save" it's stuff that in the moment seems small but has big consequences eventually that you didn't expect. The choice whether to kill Conrad or betray Clem in episode 2 had me thinking, in reality, the best choice is to betray Clem, but Telltale uses the fact that Clem is so popular to their advantage to make it even more difficult and to make you make the worst choice.
Finally, the big outrage at the moment, Kenny and Jane. Did anyone really expect them to survive? Do you really think Telltale can make two ENTIRELY different games based on the endings? The answer is no, and honestly, I'm glad of that. Kenny died to save Clem from trouble because he began to calm down and not see the realities of the situation they were in. Jane died because she's Jane, she never got out of her old ways and when things got hard she finally gave in. Besides, their stories were over anyway, ANF isn't about what happened after season 2 ended. It's about Javier trying to do everything to save all he has left, his family. I never really expected them to focus on Clem, sure she's still one of the main characters but her storyline in ANF is all about what happened to her to turn her into who she is today.
So yeah, unlike most threads on here right now, my message is this: "Go you Telltale! You've managed to make a great first two episodes and I'm loving it!"
-Matt
Comments
I have to disagree. They're fates were bullshit, they got OmidED.
If you think what they did was acceptable, you need to stop. We waited 2 YEARS for this and they gave us lazily written Kenny/Jane deaths. Its pathetic.
Your fine to have your opinion, I think it's dumb and I disagree (new frontier is trash) but your welcome to enjoy it.
Please don’t take this the wrong way. You’re absolutely entitled to your opinion, and I’m glad someone got some joy out of New Frontier, but…
Seeing posts like this just makes me feel… sad and tired. The fact that there are apparently people who are super satisfied with New Frontier despite its mediocrity, the fact that people don’t think Telltale needs to be called out for their obvious dip in quality as of late…
I haven’t felt this bad since I read positive reviews of Beyond Two Souls.
I don't have so much of a problem with Jane killing herself. It's just the way she did it that's a little daft. Why would she ever allow herself to become a zombie? And a zombie in an incredibly uncomfortable position, at that? Why not just shoot herself in the head? Even Katjaa had enough sense to make sure she didn't re-animate.
I'm still sorting through my emotions about Kenny's flashback. At the very least, Telltale could have given us the option of shooting Kenny so he wouldn't have to go through the horror of being eaten alive.
Well not everyone feels it dipped in quality I've seen more people outside this forum like it than hate it
Yeah, I know. Lowest Common Denominator and all that. The casual audience is far less likely than a dedicated fan to notice a quality dip, unless its a huge dip.
Finally. A person who doesn't whine. Keep it up, Matt.
Your whole post reeks of elitist attitude basically saying the only people who liked it are casuals
Oh relax, it's perfectly fine if you liked New Frontier. But it's doing a disservice to the writers of Season 1, who obviously put in a lot of love and effort into their work when you look at interviews of them, and then look at New Frontier and say "yeah, I see no problem with this. Just as good as the previous season".
I apologize if I came off as elitist, but it's absolutely true that a casual fan is less likely to notice (or, frankly, care about) quality drops than people who are dedicated enough to post on the company's forum. Just compare the posts on here to the comments on Youtube, for example.
I've seen tons of people who have played since s1 say they loved it.
Did you really expect any different? Like I said, they'd have to write two completely separate games if they hadn't.
Someone should just make "ANF hate thread" so we can keep it all contained to one thread
Good for them. No one said you're not allowed to enjoy mediocre writing. I love FE Fates, but I acknowledge that it has a godawful story.
Its a shame how some people are acting like assholes to those that liked S3 so far.
They weren't lazy, they were real. You think everyone's gonna go down in blaze of glory? It's the apocalypse, people die unexpectedly out of nowhere and shit happens. It's exactly the kind of event that should trigger Clementine's movement to what she's like in ANF
I can see why people dislike it honestly. People like Clementine and want her story to continue in a much more fulfilling way, I just prefer Javier's story.
I figured this place would become a shithole today
Good idea. Let's lock them there.
Agreed. There is no need to have 10-12 threads talking about the Kenny/Jane death.
This game has been in development since fucking July 2014. It could have looked promising, I was expecting Kenny and Jane flashbacks to last longer than just a few minutes. But no, they were badly designed and died way MORE stupid. Telltale REALLY gave a huge middle finger to the old players.
"Casual Audience"
I've played all of every Telltale game since TWD Season 1. Their games have always been the same as they are now, choices don't mean anything in the long run, Just like season 1. People die out of nowhere, just like season 1.
I just don't get why people are pissed about it now.
I do agree about how Jane killed herself in a kind of stupid way, that could have been a bit better.
I kind of saw it as Kenny wanting to save Clem the time and effort, to stop her from having to kill him. It's the exact kind of selfless thing Kenny would do. Still the option would have been nice.
Yeah well, I suppose that's what happens when a beloved franchise suffers a lackluster premier. People get disappointed and upset. But we should really be directing any ill feelings towards the game itself rather than other people on the forum
They're not important to the story of ANF though, there's no reason for them to get more screen time. Just like Omid and Christa in season 2
That a subjective opinion that you should stop acting like its fact.
Not even like most people who like it are being assholes. I can see why people don't like it but still I'm apparently blind to how "Telltale are becoming liars and moneygrabbers."
Just started. This opening is so damn boring lol
Ah yes, the "tons of people" phrase people like throwing around in arguments. If you've seen "tons of people" then why don't you bring them up here to the stage to give their testimony, all 3 of them. Y'know, just wanna see them for myself, since there's tons of them.
I don't like the way I'm coming off here in this comment but this really grinds my gears.
What the hell, lol. Being greenlit and being in development are two very different things.
Agreed not sure if he's trying but he's coming across a bit smug and condescending
So ANY kind of criticism directed towards the game, constructive or not, is to be labeled "whining?" I don't have any real issues with the flashbacks myself, but that's the kind of talk that ignites a flame war.
Agreed this whole "casual" b's is annoying me since I've been playing since the s1 days
I don't care. This game is not for old players. Telltale gave us a huge middle finger.
Really? I thought the opening was amazing. The way it set up the tension between the family members and the directing for that whole thing immediately sold me on this season.
Thats debatable.
Agreed.
I love Javier. I just don't like that they didn't put any effort into their deaths. She looked like she didn't give two shits about their deaths. She was like "noooo. ok why tho"
Edith dies getting shot
Clem: Noooooooo whyyy how could this happen...
Like that's the default way someone acts in that situation. Come on, Telltale. You had two years.
shrugs I'm an old player and I liked it
People should stop acting like objectively bad writing isn't a thing. Jane's out of character suicide, and the fact that her pregnancy/implied-depression arc occurred in the span of 4 minutes is poor writing. The fact that Clementine behaves exactly the same no matter what happened in the previous seasons invalidates her past and is poor writing. Kate's implied falling out with her husband and her wanting to hook up with his brother instead is incredibly cliche. The fact that every single community and group ever introduced (Wellington, the community in episode 1, the community in episode 2...) is swiftly destroyed is boring and predictable.
Oh don't say that shit. This game was announced to be called Season 3, not fucking "A New Frontier"