Do you realize that after Carley/Doug determinant choice, they had their own storylines ongoing in the ending of episode 1, episode 2 and episode 3? Even their episode 3 death is the same, but for different reasons. They weren't like Nick, who had 2 lines of dialogue in s2 ep3, for example. Also, nobody expected Kenny or Jane to live, what we didn't expect was extreme bad writting.
All I'm trying to point out is that all of this stuff about Jane and Kenny has been blown out of proportion. They never mentioned them in th… moree season, they aren't important anymore.
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Carley and Doug were determinant and they died. You just can't have important, determinant characters spanning multiple seasons, they have to die.
I'm not good w/ expressing myself so forgive me if this is all over the place.
I don't really care about Kenny. In all honesty, he should have never been in season 2. During my first play of S2E5 I shot and killed him and left with Jane, who I didn't really like that much to begin with. What even was the purpose of Janes character other than to move the plot along? If I could go back I'd just do the alone ending.
What I do care about is how characters are being treated.
If Kenny/Jane are treated like that, how are they going to treat other characters that I DO like? I liked Nick, I liked Christa, and I liked Mariana, and all their characters were handled poorly. I just want them to do better. Telltale isn't really a gaming company, it's a story based company. The graphics and gameplay aren't good so I expect the story and characters/handling of characters to be at least an A.
Kenny had two whole seasons of time, he already cheated death once, you never know he could do it again. Honestly I never really liked Jane … morebut still the way she died meant a lot, it wasn't like she just randomly got shot.
Mariana's death had me screaming, I was so happy and then... that.
if she jumped off the roof i would have laughed because it would have been so ridiculous.
Jane is a strong character, so it was kind of weird to see her kill herself. It would make more sense to have her be bitten and since she didn't want to turn, she shot herself.
Dear Matt, while I hope you respect my opinion, as do I yours, in some way.
First off, Javier. I think he's one of the best protagonists Telltale has written.
We didn't even finish this season and yet he's the best of the best. In my eyes the best character is the one that has flaws and strong motive... Javier doesn't have these things yet so this is kinda shooting point-blank.
The choice whether to kill Conrad or betray Clem in episode 2 had me thinking, in reality, the best choice is to betray Clem, but Telltale uses the fact that Clem is so popular to their advantage to make it even more difficult and to make you make the worst choice.
This is the writers fault, all eight of 'em for this one episode. As a guy who has to think how the neutral semi-blind public will see my logos and other graphic design crap, this is so bad. Imagine someone playing this for their first time, and he/she is just confused as though why is Clem getting the special treatment. A lot of people were expecting to have two protagonists this season because we sort-of raised Clem these past 2 seasons. Honestly at this point I wouldn't be surprised if Clem betrays Javi.
And the choices are kinda... not as hard as they used to be... eairlier you had 50/50, you would've been screwed no matter what, now you can kinda see what's right and what's wrong.
Kenny and Jane. Did anyone really expect them to survive?
No, but I would've preferred if Oh I don't know... didn't steal death ideas from a local newspaper... I mean S1 Kenny saving Ben was a bittersweet but satisfying, he spend hating this kid for 2 episodes and finally decides to risk his life to save him, in his own way, and in S2 when you shoot him he's sorta happy that you did it which is kinda fucked up and badly written but it kinda suited his stubborn attitude, but him dying because he wasn't wearing a seat-belt... and his last words are "Just Go!"... just no dude.
Go you Telltale!
No. Stop and look TattleTale. Think before you do something and then look at it again.
Ok, so its seems like you made this thread to try to dissuade a lot of the hate for these first 2 episodes. I understand that you enjoyed it, I also did not think that the way Kenny and Jane died ruined the episodes since I was more focused on what was happening. But you're gonna have a hard time trying to convince people otherwise. I personally did not enjoy the episodes either, mostly cause of their length, pace, and the perspective we play from (Javier). But Im also not gonna be able to convince you of these reasons either (clearly). Since you enjoyed the episodes, I hope you enjoy the rest.
I get your argument here but just because there is a vocal majority doesn't mean those who don't speak up aren't still there. I totally get that you don't typically talk so boldly, as I hate to do so as well, but I just wanted to say that I really enjoyed these episodes as well but I acknowledge that there were problems.
The episodes were noticeably shorter than usual, even with hubs, but I still had a good enough time with the content despite the way that Kenny and Jane were handled in the flashbacks being so short and to the point, although I understand why Telltale would have to give them such abrupt deaths, and the one other thing I noticed were a lot of technical glitches and frame rate problems which didn't affect my experience too much luckily.
The main story has definitely drawn me in though, what can I say I'm a sucker for zombie stories and the walking dead in general and redemption arcs, as the characters introduced all felt real and fun to interact with, especially Jesus because who couldn't love a post-apocalyptic samurai/ninja that rocks a man bun and trench coat! Javier feels like Lee in the sense that he has issues but he wants to resolve those and protect everyone he loves no matter what, which appeals to me, and he does still have a sense of humanity, well if you choose that for him really, which is hard to come by in the apocalypse.
Ah yes, the "tons of people" phrase people like throwing around in arguments. If you've seen "tons of people" then why don't you bring them … moreup here to the stage to give their testimony, all 3 of them. Y'know, just wanna see them for myself, since there's tons of them.
I don't like the way I'm coming off here in this comment but this really grinds my gears.
If anything I feel like they do this to the characters that people like to get a rise out of them, I just don't think they expected the outrage from this.
I'm not good w/ expressing myself so forgive me if this is all over the place.
I don't really care about Kenny. In all honesty, he should… more have never been in season 2. During my first play of S2E5 I shot and killed him and left with Jane, who I didn't really like that much to begin with. What even was the purpose of Janes character other than to move the plot along? If I could go back I'd just do the alone ending.
What I do care about is how characters are being treated.
If Kenny/Jane are treated like that, how are they going to treat other characters that I DO like? I liked Nick, I liked Christa, and I liked Mariana, and all their characters were handled poorly. I just want them to do better. Telltale isn't really a gaming company, it's a story based company. The graphics and gameplay aren't good so I expect the story and characters/handling of characters to be at least an A.
hopefully the next episodes are better.
We didn't even finish this season and yet he's the best of the best. In my eyes the best character is the one that has flaws and strong motive... Javier doesn't have these things yet so this is kinda shooting point-blank.
I just like him more than the other protagonists so far. I like the way he acts, that he's flawed yet still tries the best that he can. Honestly I think Javier's motive is just to keep his family alive.
This is the writers fault, all eight of 'em for this one episode. As a guy who has to think how the neutral semi-blind public will see my logos and other graphic design crap, this is so bad. Imagine someone playing this for their first time, and he/she is just confused as though why is Clem getting the special treatment. A lot of people were expecting to have two protagonists this season because we sort-of raised Clem these past 2 seasons. Honestly at this point I wouldn't be surprised if Clem betrays Javi.
That's not what I meant about how this was done. A large majority of the fanbase are huge fans of Clementine, so they make it so in order to keep Clementine as a friend you have to do something bad, make a choice that'll clearly come back to bite you in the ass in the future.
And the choices are kinda... not as hard as they used to be... eairlier you had 50/50, you would've been screwed no matter what, now you can kinda see what's right and what's wrong.
Honestly I'm glad that there's less "This person lives or this person lives" choices, I think even the choices that seem good have gone wrong most of the time so far.
No, but I would've preferred if Oh I don't know... didn't steal death ideas from a local newspaper... I mean S1 Kenny saving Ben was a bittersweet but satisfying, he spend hating this kid for 2 episodes and finally decides to risk his life to save him, in his own way, and in S2 when you shoot him he's sorta happy that you did it which is kinda fucked up and badly written but it kinda suited his stubborn attitude, but him dying because he wasn't wearing a seat-belt... and his last words are "Just Go!"... just no dude.
I'll admit they could have given it more immediate meaning. But still Kenny dies to help Clem, the car crash doesn't kill him but he knows he probably won't be able to walk again and doesn't want to danger Clem by trying to survive so he just accepts his death and tells her to go. He dies for Clem.
No. Stop and look TattleTale. Think before you do something and then look at it again.
I don't think they need to change what they've done so far, Kenny and Jane has already happened, they just need to focus on the way they're headed with The New Frontier.
Dear Matt, while I hope you respect my opinion, as do I yours, in some way.
First off, Javier. I think he's one of the best protagonis… morets Telltale has written.
We didn't even finish this season and yet he's the best of the best. In my eyes the best character is the one that has flaws and strong motive... Javier doesn't have these things yet so this is kinda shooting point-blank.
The choice whether to kill Conrad or betray Clem in episode 2 had me thinking, in reality, the best choice is to betray Clem, but Telltale uses the fact that Clem is so popular to their advantage to make it even more difficult and to make you make the worst choice.
This is the writers fault, all eight of 'em for this one episode. As a guy who has to think how the neutral semi-blind public will see my logos and other graphic design crap, this is so bad. Imagine someone playing this for their first time, and he/she is just confused as though w… [view original content]
Do you realize that after Carley/Doug determinant choice, they had their own storylines ongoing in the ending of episode 1, episode 2 and ep… moreisode 3? Even their episode 3 death is the same, but for different reasons. They weren't like Nick, who had 2 lines of dialogue in s2 ep3, for example. Also, nobody expected Kenny or Jane to live, what we didn't expect was extreme bad writting.
People are too forgiving on the lack of difference that Lee's fate produces in Season Two because they connected with him on an emotional state. It's an emotionally-guided double standard, if you ask me.
Their deaths made the audience feel something, that means they meant something. They meant something to Clem too, you can tell that by the fact that she keeps thinking back on it.
In regards to the Kenny and Jane. The deaths of Kenny/Jane are not the problem, the problem is that they scream cheapness. And for a series applauded for it's quality storytelling and extensive character development, their deaths are below the standard expected. These aren't redshirts, they're character's we've grown to love and relate to. Don't ruin their ending with lazy writing
But not everyone gets a happy or conclusive ending. Over the episodes I loved Luke and he just died out of nowhere. Molly in season one was teased as this mysterious person and it just went nowhere and she disappeared. Not all characters get the treatment they deserve sadly.
In regards to the Kenny and Jane. The deaths of Kenny/Jane are not the problem, the problem is that they scream cheapness. And for a series … moreapplauded for it's quality storytelling and extensive character development, their deaths are below the standard expected. These aren't redshirts, they're character's we've grown to love and relate to. Don't ruin their ending with lazy writing
Nah, personally, that's more bad storytelling than anything. It's the scene's themselves that has the bad writing, with Jane being the worst and Kenny being the least offensive.
Why was it neccesary for you to make your own thread instead of posting in another thread more suited? Also, relax on the reaction images. They don't make your argument stronger, just more childish.
Not asking for a conclusive or happy ending. Even Luke's death was a last minute addition, so that might explain why it felt out of place. The sequence itself wasn't too bad, tension was built and it felt significant while at the same time being a shock death as such. Not the case with K/J
They didn't have to put them in, but they knew bringing Clementine back would generate more money. Telltale just couldn't be bothered with the hassle of giving them a decent death and some run-up story to it after backing themselves into the 7 ending corner. Think about it, they literally appear for their death scenes. Pitiful writing and discredits everything leading up to S3. Both in the game and people's hopes and expectations out of it.
But not everyone gets a happy or conclusive ending. Over the episodes I loved Luke and he just died out of nowhere. Molly in season one was … moreteased as this mysterious person and it just went nowhere and she disappeared. Not all characters get the treatment they deserve sadly.
Because all the other threads are hate threads where I'd just be buried under a pile of complaints, besides, there needed to be a thread for people who actually liked it. The reaction images are there for fun, I'm trying to bring a bit of light to all the drama; after all it is a game, not something to be fiercely debated in total seriousness.
Why was it neccesary for you to make your own thread instead of posting in another thread more suited? Also, relax on the reaction images. They don't make your argument stronger, just more childish.
I'm just gonna throw in my 2 cents. I watched all the other flashbacks but Kenny's and it was so good to see him happy. After Jane I was afraid he was gonna kill himself, but I'm at least glad he died a hero, saving Clem and AJ. Kenny is my favorite character in the game, and while I hate hate HATE he's gone, I'm glad he went out a hero.
See, this is the mentality I wish people would have, apparently the way he went out had no meaning but it did. He went out as a hero but not in a super obvious way, exactly like Kenny should have.
I'm just gonna throw in my 2 cents. I watched all the other flashbacks but Kenny's and it was so good to see him happy. After Jane I was afr… moreaid he was gonna kill himself, but I'm at least glad he died a hero, saving Clem and AJ. Kenny is my favorite character in the game, and while I hate hate HATE he's gone, I'm glad he went out a hero.
I expected it, even now I still expect it for GoT Season 2. Well would you rather have the conclusive ending or just never know what happened to turn Clementine into a lone wanderer?
Not asking for a conclusive or happy ending. Even Luke's death was a last minute addition, so that might explain why it felt out of place. T… morehe sequence itself wasn't too bad, tension was built and it felt significant while at the same time being a shock death as such. Not the case with K/J
They didn't have to put them in, but they knew bringing Clementine back would generate more money. Telltale just couldn't be bothered with the hassle of giving them a decent death and some run-up story to it after backing themselves into the 7 ending corner. Think about it, they literally appear for their death scenes. Pitiful writing and discredits everything leading up to S3. Both in the game and people's hopes and expectations out of it.
Honestly, I wouldn't have brought Clem back, not after giving us 7 endings and having no intention to follow through with them. But obviously, that doesn't give them as much money. What would I have done? Take another year out, write 7 different Episode 1s with 1 ending, presumably meeting Javier. Then Ep2 can be what Ep1 was. (With 2hr episodes this wouldn't result in having a 6th episode to fit the plot). They had the chance to do something different, but they took the easy money and ran. I admit I was stupid to expect anything remotely interesting and clever.
I expected it, even now I still expect it for GoT Season 2. Well would you rather have the conclusive ending or just never know what happened to turn Clementine into a lone wanderer?
So my ending for Season 2 was Kenny getting Clementine and AJ to Wellington then leaving on his own, so I didn't get a flashback obviously but there hasn't been anything said about Wellington yet.
No, it was just announced that they were doing a third season. There was no solid detail on the game until E3 when they stated it was called A New Frontier.
Their deaths, specially Kenny's were even worse than Omid in my opinion. Omid's death is something that happens all the time in the apocalyp… morese, you get robbed and someone gets hurt. Sure, it was abrupt but it made sense to me. Now, Kenny? A character that has been around since the beginning and has been through everything you can possibly imagine and survives, just stupidly dies in a car accident... in an empty road.. in the middle of a freaking apocalypse. That's just... I think a 5 year old would come up with a better death.
See, this is the mentality I wish people would have, apparently the way he went out had no meaning but it did. He went out as a hero but not in a super obvious way, exactly like Kenny should have.
I didn't expect them to make completely different stories based on the endings, not one bit but it would've been nice if they didn't just give us a couple minutes worth of content from the endings only to have literally every character with Clementine die, not go missing, just die, without much explanation, depth or development - specifically for Edith.
The problem is how they made it seem like choices would actually have an importance in 'A New Frontier', they said that the endings would change Clementine's personality? There's not much difference and considering they made an option to create past decisions, you'd expect those past decisions to actually have an impact, wouldn't you?
That's just the problem - we're given flashbacks and they're not important to the story of 'A New Frontier', so why act as though choices would affect the story and mislead the fans?
They can be real and lazy. Specifically the Wellington flashback, Edith is a character introduced at the very end of Season Two and she's given literally no character development and just dies in a 2-3 minute flashback. It's either lazy or terrible writing, take your pick.
And yes, it might be true to life that people will die randomly but that doesn't make the flashbacks good.
They weren't lazy, they were real. You think everyone's gonna go down in blaze of glory? It's the apocalypse, people die unexpectedly out of… more nowhere and shit happens. It's exactly the kind of event that should trigger Clementine's movement to what she's like in ANF
They tried that with the Jane and Kenny arguments, it didn't last long.
Also, you shouldn't try to silence people who are giving criticism, not all of us hate the game, I personally really enjoyed the first two episodes but I dislike TTG's way of misleading me into believing that previous choices would actually have an effect on the game, rather than just a 2-3 minute flashback with little story to it.
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Just started episode 2. More Javier flashbacks lol. So glad I didn't buy the season pass.
Their deaths do mean something, their deaths caused all this outrage, they meant something.
Do you realize that after Carley/Doug determinant choice, they had their own storylines ongoing in the ending of episode 1, episode 2 and episode 3? Even their episode 3 death is the same, but for different reasons. They weren't like Nick, who had 2 lines of dialogue in s2 ep3, for example. Also, nobody expected Kenny or Jane to live, what we didn't expect was extreme bad writting.
I'm not good w/ expressing myself so forgive me if this is all over the place.
I don't really care about Kenny. In all honesty, he should have never been in season 2. During my first play of S2E5 I shot and killed him and left with Jane, who I didn't really like that much to begin with. What even was the purpose of Janes character other than to move the plot along? If I could go back I'd just do the alone ending.
What I do care about is how characters are being treated.
If Kenny/Jane are treated like that, how are they going to treat other characters that I DO like? I liked Nick, I liked Christa, and I liked Mariana, and all their characters were handled poorly. I just want them to do better. Telltale isn't really a gaming company, it's a story based company. The graphics and gameplay aren't good so I expect the story and characters/handling of characters to be at least an A.
hopefully the next episodes are better.
What? This outrage was caused because how bad their deaths were. That doesn't mean they were meaningful.
if she jumped off the roof i would have laughed because it would have been so ridiculous.
Jane is a strong character, so it was kind of weird to see her kill herself. It would make more sense to have her be bitten and since she didn't want to turn, she shot herself.
Dear Matt, while I hope you respect my opinion, as do I yours, in some way.
We didn't even finish this season and yet he's the best of the best. In my eyes the best character is the one that has flaws and strong motive... Javier doesn't have these things yet so this is kinda shooting point-blank.
This is the writers fault, all eight of 'em for this one episode. As a guy who has to think how the neutral semi-blind public will see my logos and other graphic design crap, this is so bad. Imagine someone playing this for their first time, and he/she is just confused as though why is Clem getting the special treatment. A lot of people were expecting to have two protagonists this season because we sort-of raised Clem these past 2 seasons. Honestly at this point I wouldn't be surprised if Clem betrays Javi.
And the choices are kinda... not as hard as they used to be... eairlier you had 50/50, you would've been screwed no matter what, now you can kinda see what's right and what's wrong.
No, but I would've preferred if Oh I don't know... didn't steal death ideas from a local newspaper... I mean S1 Kenny saving Ben was a bittersweet but satisfying, he spend hating this kid for 2 episodes and finally decides to risk his life to save him, in his own way, and in S2 when you shoot him he's sorta happy that you did it which is kinda fucked up and badly written but it kinda suited his stubborn attitude, but him dying because he wasn't wearing a seat-belt... and his last words are "Just Go!"... just no dude.
No. Stop and look TattleTale. Think before you do something and then look at it again.
Ok, so its seems like you made this thread to try to dissuade a lot of the hate for these first 2 episodes. I understand that you enjoyed it, I also did not think that the way Kenny and Jane died ruined the episodes since I was more focused on what was happening. But you're gonna have a hard time trying to convince people otherwise. I personally did not enjoy the episodes either, mostly cause of their length, pace, and the perspective we play from (Javier). But Im also not gonna be able to convince you of these reasons either (clearly). Since you enjoyed the episodes, I hope you enjoy the rest.
I get your argument here but just because there is a vocal majority doesn't mean those who don't speak up aren't still there. I totally get that you don't typically talk so boldly, as I hate to do so as well, but I just wanted to say that I really enjoyed these episodes as well but I acknowledge that there were problems.
The episodes were noticeably shorter than usual, even with hubs, but I still had a good enough time with the content despite the way that Kenny and Jane were handled in the flashbacks being so short and to the point, although I understand why Telltale would have to give them such abrupt deaths, and the one other thing I noticed were a lot of technical glitches and frame rate problems which didn't affect my experience too much luckily.
The main story has definitely drawn me in though, what can I say I'm a sucker for zombie stories and the walking dead in general and redemption arcs, as the characters introduced all felt real and fun to interact with, especially Jesus because who couldn't love a post-apocalyptic samurai/ninja that rocks a man bun and trench coat! Javier feels like Lee in the sense that he has issues but he wants to resolve those and protect everyone he loves no matter what, which appeals to me, and he does still have a sense of humanity, well if you choose that for him really, which is hard to come by in the apocalypse.
If anything I feel like they do this to the characters that people like to get a rise out of them, I just don't think they expected the outrage from this.
I just like him more than the other protagonists so far. I like the way he acts, that he's flawed yet still tries the best that he can. Honestly I think Javier's motive is just to keep his family alive.
That's not what I meant about how this was done. A large majority of the fanbase are huge fans of Clementine, so they make it so in order to keep Clementine as a friend you have to do something bad, make a choice that'll clearly come back to bite you in the ass in the future.
Honestly I'm glad that there's less "This person lives or this person lives" choices, I think even the choices that seem good have gone wrong most of the time so far.
I'll admit they could have given it more immediate meaning. But still Kenny dies to help Clem, the car crash doesn't kill him but he knows he probably won't be able to walk again and doesn't want to danger Clem by trying to survive so he just accepts his death and tells her to go. He dies for Clem.
I don't think they need to change what they've done so far, Kenny and Jane has already happened, they just need to focus on the way they're headed with The New Frontier.
So because they died straight away it's bad writing? Both of them had their time and their stories but they're time came to an end.
People are too forgiving on the lack of difference that Lee's fate produces in Season Two because they connected with him on an emotional state. It's an emotionally-guided double standard, if you ask me.
Matty is doing mind games.
Their deaths made the audience feel something, that means they meant something. They meant something to Clem too, you can tell that by the fact that she keeps thinking back on it.
In regards to the Kenny and Jane. The deaths of Kenny/Jane are not the problem, the problem is that they scream cheapness. And for a series applauded for it's quality storytelling and extensive character development, their deaths are below the standard expected. These aren't redshirts, they're character's we've grown to love and relate to. Don't ruin their ending with lazy writing
Pfft I have no idea what you're talking about
But not everyone gets a happy or conclusive ending. Over the episodes I loved Luke and he just died out of nowhere. Molly in season one was teased as this mysterious person and it just went nowhere and she disappeared. Not all characters get the treatment they deserve sadly.
Nah, personally, that's more bad storytelling than anything. It's the scene's themselves that has the bad writing, with Jane being the worst and Kenny being the least offensive.
Why was it neccesary for you to make your own thread instead of posting in another thread more suited? Also, relax on the reaction images. They don't make your argument stronger, just more childish.
Not asking for a conclusive or happy ending. Even Luke's death was a last minute addition, so that might explain why it felt out of place. The sequence itself wasn't too bad, tension was built and it felt significant while at the same time being a shock death as such. Not the case with K/J
They didn't have to put them in, but they knew bringing Clementine back would generate more money. Telltale just couldn't be bothered with the hassle of giving them a decent death and some run-up story to it after backing themselves into the 7 ending corner. Think about it, they literally appear for their death scenes. Pitiful writing and discredits everything leading up to S3. Both in the game and people's hopes and expectations out of it.
Because all the other threads are hate threads where I'd just be buried under a pile of complaints, besides, there needed to be a thread for people who actually liked it. The reaction images are there for fun, I'm trying to bring a bit of light to all the drama; after all it is a game, not something to be fiercely debated in total seriousness.
I'm just gonna throw in my 2 cents. I watched all the other flashbacks but Kenny's and it was so good to see him happy. After Jane I was afraid he was gonna kill himself, but I'm at least glad he died a hero, saving Clem and AJ. Kenny is my favorite character in the game, and while I hate hate HATE he's gone, I'm glad he went out a hero.
See, this is the mentality I wish people would have, apparently the way he went out had no meaning but it did. He went out as a hero but not in a super obvious way, exactly like Kenny should have.
I expected it, even now I still expect it for GoT Season 2. Well would you rather have the conclusive ending or just never know what happened to turn Clementine into a lone wanderer?
Honestly, I wouldn't have brought Clem back, not after giving us 7 endings and having no intention to follow through with them. But obviously, that doesn't give them as much money. What would I have done? Take another year out, write 7 different Episode 1s with 1 ending, presumably meeting Javier. Then Ep2 can be what Ep1 was. (With 2hr episodes this wouldn't result in having a 6th episode to fit the plot). They had the chance to do something different, but they took the easy money and ran. I admit I was stupid to expect anything remotely interesting and clever.
Glad you enjoyed the episodes so far. Its shaping up to be a fantastic season!
Both.
I feel the same way.
So my ending for Season 2 was Kenny getting Clementine and AJ to Wellington then leaving on his own, so I didn't get a flashback obviously but there hasn't been anything said about Wellington yet.
No, it was just announced that they were doing a third season. There was no solid detail on the game until E3 when they stated it was called A New Frontier.
Which is entirely consistent with The Walking Dead then were characters often die senseless deaths and don't die in a heroic manner.
Same.
I didn't expect them to make completely different stories based on the endings, not one bit but it would've been nice if they didn't just give us a couple minutes worth of content from the endings only to have literally every character with Clementine die, not go missing, just die, without much explanation, depth or development - specifically for Edith.
The problem is how they made it seem like choices would actually have an importance in 'A New Frontier', they said that the endings would change Clementine's personality? There's not much difference and considering they made an option to create past decisions, you'd expect those past decisions to actually have an impact, wouldn't you?
That's just the problem - we're given flashbacks and they're not important to the story of 'A New Frontier', so why act as though choices would affect the story and mislead the fans?
They're not important because they got killed off like every other determinant character in a Telltale game.
They can be real and lazy. Specifically the Wellington flashback, Edith is a character introduced at the very end of Season Two and she's given literally no character development and just dies in a 2-3 minute flashback. It's either lazy or terrible writing, take your pick.
And yes, it might be true to life that people will die randomly but that doesn't make the flashbacks good.
They tried that with the Jane and Kenny arguments, it didn't last long.
Also, you shouldn't try to silence people who are giving criticism, not all of us hate the game, I personally really enjoyed the first two episodes but I dislike TTG's way of misleading me into believing that previous choices would actually have an effect on the game, rather than just a 2-3 minute flashback with little story to it.
Because TTG chose to kill them off.
I enjoyed this episode.
Clementine was badass. Javier and his family were entertaining and very enjoyable to me.
Kenny and Jane's deaths were bad. But honestly, I could get over it. I didn't want that horrible Season to taint this one.