I've seen a number of people say something to that affect. Personally, I don't think its that she's dumb, but rather that she can't keep her instincts in check: hence openly stating she's needs to get laid with getting high, rushing out into a line of fire to get Mariana after she's killed, and flirting with Javier while weak from internal bleeding.
Accoding to TV Tropes, composite character is one that has the traits of multiple characters in an adaptation in one work from the source material.
In context of my question, I've thought about how Season 2 had so many characters that didn't really do much beyond fill a minor niche and thought one way to fix that is by combining multiple characters into one or at least giving certain scenes/actions/lines belonging to one character to another one.
I was always under the impression that she escaped with the group and that it happened at the Cabin, but I recently realized there's little to no evidence of this.
Not quite he resembles actor Danny Trejo more than Carlos but skinnier and younger. I won't spoil it too much but he's FAR more evil than the TV Show's depiction of him where he's meant to be tragic. Comic Governor is completely devoid of any human qualities he retained in the show. This is what he originally looked like
Not quite he resembles actor Danny Trejo more than Carlos but skinnier and younger. I won't spoil it too much but he's FAR more evil than th… moree TV Show's depiction of him where he's meant to be tragic. Comic Governor is completely devoid of any human qualities he retained in the show. This is what he originally looked like
And before someone jumps in to say it was just reused assets, it was an incredibly specific item and it served no purpose in that scene. Clearly Telltale put that there for us to see.
It actually makes sense for Carver to have the tape since it was dealing with pregnancy and survival of the fittest. We know that for a while between s1 and s2 Carver had people scouting everywhere or at least in Georgia. Not too far off to think that they found what remained of Crawford while they were attempting to requisition supplies and survivors.
Well, character development is simple- it's where a character starts off as something, like let's say, a naïve and foolish young person, who gets manipulated by an antagonistic stranger, but through the course of the story, they undergoes development and change, whether for the better or worse. So once again using the example, the naïve kid changes and becomes less easily trusting and in fact, overcomes his naivety and learns to not trust strangers.
Yes.
And before someone jumps in to say it was just reused assets, it was an incredibly specific item and it served no purpose in that sc… moreene. Clearly Telltale put that there for us to see.
It actually makes sense for Carver to have the tape since it was dealing with pregnancy and survival of the fittest. We know that for a while between s1 and s2 Carver had people scouting everywhere or at least in Georgia. Not too far off to think that they found what remained of Crawford while they were attempting to requisition supplies and survivors.
You know, that actually could've made an interesting continuity nod and classy callback while also potentially adding a bit of wisdom and "lesser-evil" value to Carver's character.
Anybody have a link to an old thread/image regarding the geography involved in Season 2? I remember someone laid out a map of where the season took place from the cabin to the ski-lodge to Howe's and so forth.
I don't think she'd get along with either, but I'd say Negan would have a bigger chance of getting along with her. At least judging from how he treated Carl, even after he killed 2 of his men.
Negan, obviously. He would make crude jokes and keep people from raping her, whereas the Governor would be likely to hurt her or feed her to some walkers.
Perhaps, not that it matters given what happens less than two years later. Christa knew where it was and its can be inferred that the Russians were there at one point but its unlikely that Arvo considered going back with Mike and Bonnie's mutual fear of Kenny in mind, if they even stuck together afterwards.
I think Justin had a good chance of getting there considering he stole Vinces car and set off in search of a sanctuary if you kept him alive. He's dead in my game though.
Perhaps, not that it matters given what happens less than two years later. Christa knew where it was and its can be inferred that the Russia… morens were there at one point but its unlikely that Arvo considered going back with Mike and Bonnie's mutual fear of Kenny in mind, if they even stuck together afterwards.
I think Justin had a good chance of getting there considering he stole Vinces car and set off in search of a sanctuary if you kept him alive. He's dead in my game though.
Yes I believe he made off with Vince's vehicle. And I agree that he was probably looking for Carvers, but he still could've managed to find Wellington, especially amidst all of the rumors about the place
Uncut meeting? Meh, I just wanna see the cut fishing scene with Alvin and Clem.
Jane looks pretty white/caucasian to me. Actually one of the whitest girls across all seasons of the game, along with Molly and Katjaa. And Bonnie, I guess.
I didn't notice her theme, to be honest. I noticed the music in season 2 a lot less than season 1.
Uncut meeting? Meh, I just wanna see the cut fishing scene with Alvin and Clem.
Agreed. But I was referring to the kitchen conversation you can eaves drop on in All That Remains, since you're often interrupted by opening/closing the door, Carlos or Nick catching onto your presence, or someone trying to leave.
Jane looks pretty white/caucasian to me. Actually one of the whitest girls across all seasons of the game, along with Molly and Katjaa. And Bonnie, I guess.
That's what everyone assumes. Idk, maybe I just don't like the not-diversity she adds to in No Going Back, but I think she might be Persian or some shit.
I didn't notice her theme, to be honest. I noticed the music in season 2 a lot less than season 1.
According to the Youtube Playlist, its the song that plays after Kenny has killed Vitali. ...Yeah....
EDIT: Btw, does anyone else see "Top 10 Most Evil Women in History" in the up next videos?
Uncut meeting? Meh, I just wanna see the cut fishing scene with Alvin and Clem.
Jane looks pretty white/caucasian to me. Actually one of … morethe whitest girls across all seasons of the game, along with Molly and Katjaa. And Bonnie, I guess.
I didn't notice her theme, to be honest. I noticed the music in season 2 a lot less than season 1.
"Becca! Our love deserves to be in a place of safety! They told me you were the one that robbed us! Now, please come out so we can go home--as a family."
Oh okay, so you think she could have either stolen from another group or had a fling that resulted in the boys group attacking the diner. B… moreoth of these are very probable given Becca's behavior, thank you for elaborating. I can see both of those things happening, perhaps even at the same time.
How do you think things would've gone and how you would've felt if Kenny had been "Carver" like originally planned?
Given the Season's track record, do you think Jane was intentionally designed with the option of replacing Luke and Sarah in mind?
For those who wanna get all Ron the Death Eater: do you think that being right about Eleanor could be a sign of the writers trying to have another character like Kenny in terms of reception and execution?
Posting this as a separate comment for convenience sake:
If we had actually gotten Luke: Civil War, who do you think would choose to b… moree on his Team or Kenny's, even if they weren't around at the time? .
I've had some time to stew over this one and, after going back to watch In Harm's Way, I think the Teams would essentially be this:
Team Luke
Luke
Peter Joseph Randall
Nick
Carlos
Bonnie
+Jane
Team Kenny
Kenny
Matthew
Sarita
Walter
Mike
+Rebecca
Team Clementine(aka I'm not sure)
Clementine
Rebecca
Alvin
Sarah
+Reggie
Jane
+Arvo
+Alvin Rebecca Carver Jr.
What do you guys think?
uncut version of the House Meeting from All That Remains
No video, but I've tried my best to gather it all. The whole converation is about 4 minutes long.
Rebecca: For all we know, she could be working with Carver.
Luke: Come on, there is no way.
Alvin: She could be, we don't know.
Nick: She's connected to somebody. There's no way she's out here by herself.
Pete: She said she was with a friend and they got attacked.
Nick (sarcastically): Yeah, right.
Carlos: Whoever she's with, they'll probably come looking for her.
Alvin: Great. They show up and we've got her locked in the shed.
Rebecca (angrily): You think we should bring her in here?
Alvin: No, I'm just saying it wouldn't look too good.
Carlos: It's just a precautionary measure. Anyone else would do the same.
Luke: You really think Carver would come after us?
Nick: You think he wouldn't? Carlos turns his head, Clementine closes the door
Pete: He's not exactly the type to let things lie.
Carlos: What happened, happened. There's nothing we can do about it now.
Alvin: Let him come. I don't really give a damn.
Rebecca: Alvin!
Alvin: What? I don't! Nick sees Clem
meaningless mumbles; literally some sentence being used over again
Nick: ...you, not me. You knew she did.
Luke: What we were supposed to do? Leave her out there to die?
Nick: Better she than us.
Pete: You'dve done the same, Nick.
Nick: It wasn't the brightest idea.
Luke (ironically): Oh, and firing your rifle was, huh? Next time we'll just put up a neon sign that says "Lurkers Welcome."
Alvin: We're ya going, hon?
Rebecca: I want to get my sweater. (plot device sweater, there's no actual clothing left in the cabin except of Carlos' shirt)
Carlos: We'll be done in a minute.
meaningless mumbles
Nick: You found her in the woods, surrounded by lurkers, about to be eaten alive, and you are telling us that was a dog?
Luke: Yeah I know it sounds crazy, but... look, for whatever reason I think she's telling the truth.
Pete: Look, there's no point in arguing about that now. She's in the shed and she's not gonna hurt anyone. We'll just see what's what in the morning.
Luke: But Carlos said she could die if she doesn't get her arm treated.
Rebecca: Assuming she doesn't turn. (wut)
Alvin: That's true? The girl could really die?
Carlos: If the infection spreads.. anything is possible. It could definitely get a whole lot of worse for her.
Luke: Don't we have penicillin? Or something that you know, could stop the infection from spreading?
Carlos: We have some. But not enough to spare.
Nick: You know we can't waste it on her. What if someone of us needs it?
Luke: Look, I'm just saying we could help her, that's all.
Rebecca: We need to think of ourselves first. That's just the way it is.
Pete: We can't just let her die. Not if we can do something about it.
mumbles 3.0
Pete: Let's just say she doesn't turn. Then what happens?
Luke: We apologize for being assholes. And then we help to fix her arm.
Rebecca: She can't stay with us. We barely have enough supplies for ourselves.
Pete: We've got more fish in the traps that we could ever eat.
Nick (to Rebecca?): Yeah, but she's seen us. She knows we're here.
Luke (teasing Nick): What, are you scared of a little girl?
Carlos: She's not the problem. It's who she might tell.
Alvin: We gotta keep an eye on her.
Rebecca: If she doesn't turn. Which she probably will.
Nick: I gotta take the leak.
Carlos: Hold on, we're almost done.
Nick: Fine.
meaningless mumbles
Carlos: My point is, if a little girl can find her way here, almost anyone can.
Luke: Pete, you saw that lurkers, all right. That's more than we've seen in a while. (seriously? Four/five lurkers is dangerous for ya?)
Pete: Yeah, it seems like it's not as safe as it was. Least not like when we found this place.
Nick: Maybe it's the time to move on.
Rebecca: We can't just keep running. At some point, we've got to settle down.
Carlos: We should. And we will. But can we find somewhere safe? I don't know.
Pete: You've seen what is like out there.
Alvin: I just started to like this place.
Pete: Look, we've had a good run here. But if it's time to move on, then I got no problem with that.
Luke: Yeah, but I mean... Where do we go from here?
Alvin: No more cities, we all agreed on that, right? Too many damn lurkers.
Nick: We're not going back to the way we came. That's for damn sure.
Rebecca (hopeful): We can probably find somewhere better. We just need to look.
Carlos: Wherever we go, we can't get too attached. We'll be fine as long as we keep things fluid.
muuuuumbles
Pete: ?? Gotta check those fish traps tomorrow.
Nick: What do we do with the girl?
Rebecca (indignantly): You are not leaving her here with me.
Luke: We can't just keep her locked in the shed. We're not animals.
Carlos: Then take her with you.
Nick: What?
Carlos: You want to keep an eye on her, then take her with you. Are we almost done here? I want to make sure Sarah is ready for bed. Carlos out
Pete: Wait a second. There's something else I want to talk about. Carlos gets back
No more eavesdropping after that. You can still hear mumbles, but it's the same sentence over again.
Team Clem:
Luke
Pete
Alvin
Team anti-Clem:
Nick
Rebecca
Carlos is pretty much neutral and he sounds like he's the most reasonable of them all.
Yes, actually, with some canonical dubiosity: though the product of my contributions to Dan's old thread and my rewrite thread, I had her linked to both Russell and "Ralph" of the North Carolina Bandits. The latter was an indirect suggestion of older posts, along with some creative arc-welding on my part.
Yes, actually, with some canonical dubiosity: though the product of my contributions to Dan's old thread and my rewrite thread, I had her li… morenked to both Russell and "Ralph" of the North Carolina Bandits. The latter was an indirect suggestion of older posts, along with some creative arc-welding on my part.
No. Michelle was the sole common element and it was more about how they influenced her, however indirect.
EDIT: My bad, I misread your question and just realized it.
No. Michelle was the sole common element and it was more about how they influenced her, however indirect.
EDIT: My bad, I misread your question and just realized it.
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I've seen a number of people say something to that affect. Personally, I don't think its that she's dumb, but rather that she can't keep her instincts in check: hence openly stating she's needs to get laid with getting high, rushing out into a line of fire to get Mariana after she's killed, and flirting with Javier while weak from internal bleeding.
How does a thread about composite characters or shifting character roles sound?
Please elaborate, it sounds interesting.
Accoding to TV Tropes, composite character is one that has the traits of multiple characters in an adaptation in one work from the source material.
In context of my question, I've thought about how Season 2 had so many characters that didn't really do much beyond fill a minor niche and thought one way to fix that is by combining multiple characters into one or at least giving certain scenes/actions/lines belonging to one character to another one.
I was always under the impression that she escaped with the group and that it happened at the Cabin, but I recently realized there's little to no evidence of this.
Does anyone have an uncut version of the House Meeting from All That Remains?
What race is Jane supposed to be?
Also, why is her theme mostly violins?
Not quite he resembles actor Danny Trejo more than Carlos but skinnier and younger. I won't spoil it too much but he's FAR more evil than the TV Show's depiction of him where he's meant to be tragic. Comic Governor is completely devoid of any human qualities he retained in the show. This is what he originally looked like
Oh my goodness, you're right!
Also, for a second there, I thought he was giving a thumbs up.
Is there really a tape from Crawford in Carver's office?
Yes.
And before someone jumps in to say it was just reused assets, it was an incredibly specific item and it served no purpose in that scene. Clearly Telltale put that there for us to see.
It actually makes sense for Carver to have the tape since it was dealing with pregnancy and survival of the fittest. We know that for a while between s1 and s2 Carver had people scouting everywhere or at least in Georgia. Not too far off to think that they found what remained of Crawford while they were attempting to requisition supplies and survivors.
Well, character development is simple- it's where a character starts off as something, like let's say, a naïve and foolish young person, who gets manipulated by an antagonistic stranger, but through the course of the story, they undergoes development and change, whether for the better or worse. So once again using the example, the naïve kid changes and becomes less easily trusting and in fact, overcomes his naivety and learns to not trust strangers.
That's...actually kinda cool. Not sure why its there, but kinda cool.
Is it legitimately meant to be the same thing?
Yeah, the exact same model (83 Ob):
You know, that actually could've made an interesting continuity nod and classy callback while also potentially adding a bit of wisdom and "lesser-evil" value to Carver's character.
Yeah, I do recall the speculative about who Clementine sees at the end of the trailer. I'll see if I can track it down for you.
Anybody have a link to an old thread/image regarding the geography involved in Season 2? I remember someone laid out a map of where the season took place from the cabin to the ski-lodge to Howe's and so forth.
Who would Clementine get along with more The Governor or Negan?
I don't think she'd get along with either, but I'd say Negan would have a bigger chance of getting along with her. At least judging from how he treated Carl, even after he killed 2 of his men.
Negan, obviously. He would make crude jokes and keep people from raping her, whereas the Governor would be likely to hurt her or feed her to some walkers.
Do you think there are any unknown status characters that could have made it up to Wellington
Perhaps, not that it matters given what happens less than two years later. Christa knew where it was and its can be inferred that the Russians were there at one point but its unlikely that Arvo considered going back with Mike and Bonnie's mutual fear of Kenny in mind, if they even stuck together afterwards.
I think Justin had a good chance of getting there considering he stole Vinces car and set off in search of a sanctuary if you kept him alive. He's dead in my game though.
Is that what he did? And I sure hope not. I was under the impression he was referring to Carver's place anyway.
Yes I believe he made off with Vince's vehicle. And I agree that he was probably looking for Carvers, but he still could've managed to find Wellington, especially amidst all of the rumors about the place
Uncut meeting? Meh, I just wanna see the cut fishing scene with Alvin and Clem.
Jane looks pretty white/caucasian to me. Actually one of the whitest girls across all seasons of the game, along with Molly and Katjaa. And Bonnie, I guess.
I didn't notice her theme, to be honest. I noticed the music in season 2 a lot less than season 1.
Agreed. But I was referring to the kitchen conversation you can eaves drop on in All That Remains, since you're often interrupted by opening/closing the door, Carlos or Nick catching onto your presence, or someone trying to leave.
That's what everyone assumes. Idk, maybe I just don't like the not-diversity she adds to in No Going Back, but I think she might be Persian or some shit.
According to the Youtube Playlist, its the song that plays after Kenny has killed Vitali. ...Yeah....
EDIT: Btw, does anyone else see "Top 10 Most Evil Women in History" in the up next videos?
"Becca! Our love deserves to be in a place of safety! They told me you were the one that robbed us! Now, please come out so we can go home--as a family."
Repeats
How do you think things would've gone and how you would've felt if Kenny had been "Carver" like originally planned?
Given the Season's track record, do you think Jane was intentionally designed with the option of replacing Luke and Sarah in mind?
For those who wanna get all Ron the Death Eater: do you think that being right about Eleanor could be a sign of the writers trying to have another character like Kenny in terms of reception and execution?
Repeats
What is each characters personal philosophies/morality/etc?
If anyone knows anything about model manipulation or whatever, can someone make a picture of Michelle with Sarah's glasses?
If Kenny is Lee's Shadow, what does that make Lilly and why?
What characters do you think could've been combined to streamline the undergone this process story into a more focused narrative? why?
Is Nick the only one to comment on Kenny getting beat down?
Posting this as a separate comment for convenience sake:
I've had some time to stew over this one and, after going back to watch In Harm's Way, I think the Teams would essentially be this:
Team Luke
Luke
Peter Joseph Randall
Nick
Carlos
Bonnie
+Jane
Team Kenny
Kenny
Matthew
Sarita
Walter
Mike
+Rebecca
Team Clementine(aka I'm not sure)
Clementine
Rebecca
Alvin
Sarah
+Reggie
Jane
+Arvo
+Alvin Rebecca Carver Jr.
What do you guys think?
Oh god, this thread is old as all balls. Kinda ashamed none of the pictures work, but it seems like it can't be fixed anymore.
"Thread of general TWD-related questions."
Rebecca was definitely Team Kenny all the way.
Mike would definitely not have been Team Kenny. He was terrified of Kenny and has no issues stealing from him.
No video, but I've tried my best to gather it all. The whole converation is about 4 minutes long.
Rebecca: For all we know, she could be working with Carver.
Luke: Come on, there is no way.
Alvin: She could be, we don't know.
Nick: She's connected to somebody. There's no way she's out here by herself.
Pete: She said she was with a friend and they got attacked.
Nick (sarcastically): Yeah, right.
Carlos: Whoever she's with, they'll probably come looking for her.
Alvin: Great. They show up and we've got her locked in the shed.
Rebecca (angrily): You think we should bring her in here?
Alvin: No, I'm just saying it wouldn't look too good.
Carlos: It's just a precautionary measure. Anyone else would do the same.
Luke: You really think Carver would come after us?
Nick: You think he wouldn't?
Carlos turns his head, Clementine closes the door
Pete: He's not exactly the type to let things lie.
Carlos: What happened, happened. There's nothing we can do about it now.
Alvin: Let him come. I don't really give a damn.
Rebecca: Alvin!
Alvin: What? I don't!
Nick sees Clem
meaningless mumbles; literally some sentence being used over again
Nick: ...you, not me. You knew she did.
Luke: What we were supposed to do? Leave her out there to die?
Nick: Better she than us.
Pete: You'dve done the same, Nick.
Nick: It wasn't the brightest idea.
Luke (ironically): Oh, and firing your rifle was, huh? Next time we'll just put up a neon sign that says "Lurkers Welcome."
Alvin: We're ya going, hon?
Rebecca: I want to get my sweater. (plot device sweater, there's no actual clothing left in the cabin except of Carlos' shirt)
Carlos: We'll be done in a minute.
meaningless mumbles
Nick: You found her in the woods, surrounded by lurkers, about to be eaten alive, and you are telling us that was a dog?
Luke: Yeah I know it sounds crazy, but... look, for whatever reason I think she's telling the truth.
Pete: Look, there's no point in arguing about that now. She's in the shed and she's not gonna hurt anyone. We'll just see what's what in the morning.
Luke: But Carlos said she could die if she doesn't get her arm treated.
Rebecca: Assuming she doesn't turn. (wut)
Alvin: That's true? The girl could really die?
Carlos: If the infection spreads.. anything is possible. It could definitely get a whole lot of worse for her.
Luke: Don't we have penicillin? Or something that you know, could stop the infection from spreading?
Carlos: We have some. But not enough to spare.
Nick: You know we can't waste it on her. What if someone of us needs it?
Luke: Look, I'm just saying we could help her, that's all.
Rebecca: We need to think of ourselves first. That's just the way it is.
Pete: We can't just let her die. Not if we can do something about it.
mumbles 3.0
Pete: Let's just say she doesn't turn. Then what happens?
Luke: We apologize for being assholes. And then we help to fix her arm.
Rebecca: She can't stay with us. We barely have enough supplies for ourselves.
Pete: We've got more fish in the traps that we could ever eat.
Nick (to Rebecca?): Yeah, but she's seen us. She knows we're here.
Luke (teasing Nick): What, are you scared of a little girl?
Carlos: She's not the problem. It's who she might tell.
Alvin: We gotta keep an eye on her.
Rebecca: If she doesn't turn. Which she probably will.
Nick: I gotta take the leak.
Carlos: Hold on, we're almost done.
Nick: Fine.
meaningless mumbles
Carlos: My point is, if a little girl can find her way here, almost anyone can.
Luke: Pete, you saw that lurkers, all right. That's more than we've seen in a while. (seriously? Four/five lurkers is dangerous for ya?)
Pete: Yeah, it seems like it's not as safe as it was. Least not like when we found this place.
Nick: Maybe it's the time to move on.
Rebecca: We can't just keep running. At some point, we've got to settle down.
Carlos: We should. And we will. But can we find somewhere safe? I don't know.
Pete: You've seen what is like out there.
Alvin: I just started to like this place.
Pete: Look, we've had a good run here. But if it's time to move on, then I got no problem with that.
Luke: Yeah, but I mean... Where do we go from here?
Alvin: No more cities, we all agreed on that, right? Too many damn lurkers.
Nick: We're not going back to the way we came. That's for damn sure.
Rebecca (hopeful): We can probably find somewhere better. We just need to look.
Carlos: Wherever we go, we can't get too attached. We'll be fine as long as we keep things fluid.
muuuuumbles
Pete: ?? Gotta check those fish traps tomorrow.
Nick: What do we do with the girl?
Rebecca (indignantly): You are not leaving her here with me.
Luke: We can't just keep her locked in the shed. We're not animals.
Carlos: Then take her with you.
Nick: What?
Carlos: You want to keep an eye on her, then take her with you. Are we almost done here? I want to make sure Sarah is ready for bed.
Carlos out
Pete: Wait a second. There's something else I want to talk about.
Carlos gets back
No more eavesdropping after that. You can still hear mumbles, but it's the same sentence over again.
Team Clem:
Team anti-Clem:
Carlos is pretty much neutral and he sounds like he's the most reasonable of them all.
Do You think Michelle (thief who shot Omid) was affiliated with anyone that we knew, like 400 Days cast or something
Yes, actually, with some canonical dubiosity: though the product of my contributions to Dan's old thread and my rewrite thread, I had her linked to both Russell and "Ralph" of the North Carolina Bandits. The latter was an indirect suggestion of older posts, along with some creative arc-welding on my part.
What was the link between all of them?
No. Michelle was the sole common element and it was more about how they influenced her, however indirect.
EDIT: My bad, I misread your question and just realized it.
My question still stands. What were their links/relationships with her?