Vapers are annoying, as is the process. It just so feels so hipster, like the lovechild between veganism and Apple. Still, fair enough to those using it to quit cigarettes, as vaping is healthier, which is one of the few scientific consensuses on this entire topic. As I understand it, vaping relies on the aerosol of vapour, instead of the chemical change of combustion to generate smoke, and it isn't necessarily filled with as many carcinogens, or even chemicals like nicotine which, while not only being toxic, alter your long term brain chemistry to boot.
Unfortunately, these studies tend to be rushed through and published by people with active stakes one way or another - be them 'big tobacco,' or entrepreneurs, start-ups, and regulating agencies, all with an axe to grind. So it's basically impossible to get at the truth. All that seems certain is, as drugs (for lack of a better term) go, vaping isn't so bad.
It seems people just use the word 'hipster' to mean anything in culture they have some issues with..? I mean Apple been around for decades, way before hipsters.
I feel people who go on and on about how apple is bad and constantly talk about their individual independent company phones they got from Singapore are probably the hipsters.
Vapers are annoying, as is the process. It just so feels so hipster, like the lovechild between veganism and Apple. Still, fair enough to t… morehose using it to quit cigarettes, as vaping is healthier, which is one of the few scientific consensuses on this entire topic. As I understand it, vaping relies on the aerosol of vapour, instead of the chemical change of combustion to generate smoke, and it isn't necessarily filled with as many carcinogens, or even chemicals like nicotine which, while not only being toxic, alter your long term brain chemistry to boot.
Unfortunately, these studies tend to be rushed through and published by people with active stakes one way or another - be them 'big tobacco,' or entrepreneurs, start-ups, and regulating agencies, all with an axe to grind. So it's basically impossible to get at the truth. All that seems certain is, as drugs (for lack of a better term) go, vaping isn't so bad.
I'm going to be honest, the second I clicked post, I thought in my head, 'I wonder how long until Flog gets offended even by this'...
And the answer was 10 minutes!
Anyway, yes, Apple as in the iPhones and the Macs do have hipster connotations in our culture today,, hence my use of the word "feel." Not that I care. I own an iPhone.
Wait...Apple is hipster? ..how?
It seems people just use the word 'hipster' to mean anything in culture they have some issues with..? I m… moreean Apple been around for decades, way before hipsters.
I feel people who go on and on about how apple is bad and constantly talk about their individual independent company phones they got from Singapore are probably the hipsters.
It's a decent means of harm reduction for people who aren't ready to commit to actually quitting nicotine.
I don't really believe the hype of using it to "quit smoking", as you're still taking the nicotine and not breaking the pattern of behavior associated with the addiction (buying smokes, ducking out of a stressful situation for a quick one, etc.). You're still giving your money to glorified pushers. Perscription cessation meds work really well and it's fairly easy to get them through insurance and special courses or clinical studies.
I think vaping is dorky, but if it people find it helpful, that's cool.
When I posted the above comment I wondered how long it would take for DillonDex to get offended in response
I'm not remotely offended (I don't use apple products myself for one thing), that seems to be a word everyone uses when someone simple disagrees with someone else/is inquisitive about their viewpoint :P if I made the impression that I was personally offended though please point out where so I can edit to make sure people don't get the wrong impression!
Also making a personal comment? We both know you're above that.
Anyway, yes, Apple as in the iPhones and the Macs do have hipster connotations in our culture today,
Huh, that's news to me, I figured hipster is like supposedly anti-mainstream? Like people going 'oh yeahhh i'm a level 5 vegan' and other such nonsense, pretending to be very original when they really aren't and are just doing it for attention - but like how does that work when Apple is the most commonly used producer of phones around the world?
Genuinely curious, I've never heard this before!
Like, is my dad hipsterish cause he uses an iphone? What are non hipster phones?
Actually I guess also what's hipsterism? I guess I don't understand it very well, is there like a simple definition?
I'm going to be honest, the second I clicked post, I thought in my head, 'I wonder how long until Flog gets offended even by this'...
And… more the answer was 10 minutes!
Anyway, yes, Apple as in the iPhones and the Macs do have hipster connotations in our culture today,, hence my use of the word "feel." Not that I care. I own an iPhone.
I'm going to be honest, the second I clicked post, I thought in my head, 'I wonder how long until Flog gets offended even by this'...
And… more the answer was 10 minutes!
Anyway, yes, Apple as in the iPhones and the Macs do have hipster connotations in our culture today,, hence my use of the word "feel." Not that I care. I own an iPhone.
It ain't good for you. It will give you something called popcorn lung, which is deadly, and from my understanding, incurable.
Here's an article from the American Lung Association had to say:
"Popcorn Lung: A Dangerous Risk of Flavored E-Cigarettes
by Editorial Staff | July 7, 2016
(Last Updated: August 9, 2016)
Outline of lungs over enlarged picture of a popcorn kernel
Over a decade ago, workers in a microwave popcorn factory were sickened by breathing in diacetyl—the buttery-flavored chemical in foods like popcorn, caramel and dairy products. While this flavoring may be tasty, it was linked to deaths and hundreds of cases of bronchiolitis obliterans, a serious and irreversible lung disease. As a result, the major popcorn manufacturers removed diacetyl from their products, but some people are still being exposed to diacetyl - not through food flavorings as a worksite hazard, but through e-cigarette vapor.
When inhaled, diacetyl causes bronchiolitis obliterans - more commonly referred to as "popcorn lung" - a scarring of the tiny air sacs in the lungs resulting in the thickening and narrowing of the airways. While the name "popcorn lung" may not sound like a threat, it's a serious lung disease that causes coughing, wheezing and shortness of breath, similar to the symptoms of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD).
Even though we know that diacetyl causes popcorn lung, this chemical is found in many e-cigarette flavors. It is added to "e-juice" liquid by some e-cigarette companies to complement flavorings such as vanilla, maple, coconut and more. So while diacetyl was swiftly removed from popcorn products since it could cause this devastating disease among factory workers, e-cigarette users are now directly inhaling this harmful chemical into their lungs. In fact, researchers at Harvard found that 39 of 51 e-cigarette brands contained diacetyl. The study also found two similarly harmful chemicals—2,3 pentanedione and acetoin—present in 23 and 46 of the 51 flavors it tested. And roughly 92 percent of the e-cigarettes had one of the three chemicals present.
Rows of amber glass bottles and vapor coming off of one in the corner
How is this possible that many Americans are unknowingly inhaling chemicals that can cause traumatic respiratory harm? Until recently, there was no FDA oversight whatsoever of e-cigarettes. On May 5, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) announced it will be extending its oversight authority to include e-cigarettes and other tobacco products. Starting in August, FDA will begin to apply and enforce key provisions of the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act as it relates to the sales, marketing and manufacturing of e-cigarettes. Unfortunately, e-cigarette manufacturers have essentially been given a temporary "free pass" and their products will be allowed to remain on the market for up to three years as manufacturers test their products and submit necessary applications to the FDA for review.
This is an urgent issue for public health, especially given the popularity of e-cigarettes among youth. The American Lung Association believes it's imperative that FDA act quickly to require that diacetyl and other harmful chemicals be removed from e-cigarettes.
Remember, the American Lung Association is here to save lives by improving lung health and preventing lung disease. Read our public education statement on E-cigarettes and Lung Health, and when you're ready to quit tobacco for good, we're here to help."
Really annoying because everyone does that in my school. It feels like I'm the only one who actually uses a toilet in the restroom, everyone else is just vaping.
Its a less smelly and in obtrusive form of smoking, so I'm all for it. The people who have a problem with it are more annoying than the people who do it to me.
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It's just smoking for people who are too pussy to smoke real cigarettes.
lit af boi
(I don't vape though)
Vapers are annoying, as is the process. It just so feels so hipster, like the lovechild between veganism and Apple. Still, fair enough to those using it to quit cigarettes, as vaping is healthier, which is one of the few scientific consensuses on this entire topic. As I understand it, vaping relies on the aerosol of vapour, instead of the chemical change of combustion to generate smoke, and it isn't necessarily filled with as many carcinogens, or even chemicals like nicotine which, while not only being toxic, alter your long term brain chemistry to boot.
Unfortunately, these studies tend to be rushed through and published by people with active stakes one way or another - be them 'big tobacco,' or entrepreneurs, start-ups, and regulating agencies, all with an axe to grind. So it's basically impossible to get at the truth. All that seems certain is, as drugs (for lack of a better term) go, vaping isn't so bad.
Wait...Apple is hipster? ..how?
It seems people just use the word 'hipster' to mean anything in culture they have some issues with..? I mean Apple been around for decades, way before hipsters.
I feel people who go on and on about how apple is bad and constantly talk about their individual independent company phones they got from Singapore are probably the hipsters.
VAPE NASH YALL
I'm going to be honest, the second I clicked post, I thought in my head, 'I wonder how long until Flog gets offended even by this'...
And the answer was 10 minutes!
Anyway, yes, Apple as in the iPhones and the Macs do have hipster connotations in our culture today,, hence my use of the word "feel." Not that I care. I own an iPhone.
What's there to think about? It's destroying your lungs while sitting around and enjoying it.
It's a decent means of harm reduction for people who aren't ready to commit to actually quitting nicotine.
I don't really believe the hype of using it to "quit smoking", as you're still taking the nicotine and not breaking the pattern of behavior associated with the addiction (buying smokes, ducking out of a stressful situation for a quick one, etc.). You're still giving your money to glorified pushers. Perscription cessation meds work really well and it's fairly easy to get them through insurance and special courses or clinical studies.
I think vaping is dorky, but if it people find it helpful, that's cool.
We don't know yet the consequences of vaping in long term. I don't care about it anyway.
When I posted the above comment I wondered how long it would take for DillonDex to get offended in response
I'm not remotely offended (I don't use apple products myself for one thing), that seems to be a word everyone uses when someone simple disagrees with someone else/is inquisitive about their viewpoint :P if I made the impression that I was personally offended though please point out where so I can edit to make sure people don't get the wrong impression!
Also making a personal comment? We both know you're above that.
Huh, that's news to me, I figured hipster is like supposedly anti-mainstream? Like people going 'oh yeahhh i'm a level 5 vegan' and other such nonsense, pretending to be very original when they really aren't and are just doing it for attention - but like how does that work when Apple is the most commonly used producer of phones around the world?
Genuinely curious, I've never heard this before!
Like, is my dad hipsterish cause he uses an iphone? What are non hipster phones?
Actually I guess also what's hipsterism? I guess I don't understand it very well, is there like a simple definition?
Pretty obnoxious and attention seeking. I dont care for it, even when I've tried my friends "super tooty Boba fett 420" flavored juice.
Let's... not make snarky asides like that, please. Thanks.
It's just water vapor.
(I don't vape)
It ain't good for you. It will give you something called popcorn lung, which is deadly, and from my understanding, incurable.
Here's an article from the American Lung Association had to say:
"Popcorn Lung: A Dangerous Risk of Flavored E-Cigarettes
by Editorial Staff | July 7, 2016
(Last Updated: August 9, 2016)
Outline of lungs over enlarged picture of a popcorn kernel
Over a decade ago, workers in a microwave popcorn factory were sickened by breathing in diacetyl—the buttery-flavored chemical in foods like popcorn, caramel and dairy products. While this flavoring may be tasty, it was linked to deaths and hundreds of cases of bronchiolitis obliterans, a serious and irreversible lung disease. As a result, the major popcorn manufacturers removed diacetyl from their products, but some people are still being exposed to diacetyl - not through food flavorings as a worksite hazard, but through e-cigarette vapor.
When inhaled, diacetyl causes bronchiolitis obliterans - more commonly referred to as "popcorn lung" - a scarring of the tiny air sacs in the lungs resulting in the thickening and narrowing of the airways. While the name "popcorn lung" may not sound like a threat, it's a serious lung disease that causes coughing, wheezing and shortness of breath, similar to the symptoms of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD).
Even though we know that diacetyl causes popcorn lung, this chemical is found in many e-cigarette flavors. It is added to "e-juice" liquid by some e-cigarette companies to complement flavorings such as vanilla, maple, coconut and more. So while diacetyl was swiftly removed from popcorn products since it could cause this devastating disease among factory workers, e-cigarette users are now directly inhaling this harmful chemical into their lungs. In fact, researchers at Harvard found that 39 of 51 e-cigarette brands contained diacetyl. The study also found two similarly harmful chemicals—2,3 pentanedione and acetoin—present in 23 and 46 of the 51 flavors it tested. And roughly 92 percent of the e-cigarettes had one of the three chemicals present.
Rows of amber glass bottles and vapor coming off of one in the corner
How is this possible that many Americans are unknowingly inhaling chemicals that can cause traumatic respiratory harm? Until recently, there was no FDA oversight whatsoever of e-cigarettes. On May 5, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) announced it will be extending its oversight authority to include e-cigarettes and other tobacco products. Starting in August, FDA will begin to apply and enforce key provisions of the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act as it relates to the sales, marketing and manufacturing of e-cigarettes. Unfortunately, e-cigarette manufacturers have essentially been given a temporary "free pass" and their products will be allowed to remain on the market for up to three years as manufacturers test their products and submit necessary applications to the FDA for review.
This is an urgent issue for public health, especially given the popularity of e-cigarettes among youth. The American Lung Association believes it's imperative that FDA act quickly to require that diacetyl and other harmful chemicals be removed from e-cigarettes.
Remember, the American Lung Association is here to save lives by improving lung health and preventing lung disease. Read our public education statement on E-cigarettes and Lung Health, and when you're ready to quit tobacco for good, we're here to help."
Tried it a couple times with a girl I liked at the time. Didn't particularly care for it.
Its a backwards way to quit smoking because vapers inhale 10x more nicotine or something stupid like that
Really annoying because everyone does that in my school. It feels like I'm the only one who actually uses a toilet in the restroom, everyone else is just vaping.
I prefer to get my cancer the old-fashioned way with cigarettes!
Serious note: While I do smoke I'd advise against it
Its a less smelly and in obtrusive form of smoking, so I'm all for it. The people who have a problem with it are more annoying than the people who do it to me.
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