I liked the ending, it was very emotional, even when javier screams, but I always use Melton logic and say: when there a thousands of zombies moaning so that is how they stick together so maybe they aren't going after javier because of that one reason. Yeah, it made me sad but I weren't going back to change it because I liked the way javier and clem's went on the bike, even better when clem said to me she's with me wherever I went. The first thing that came to my mind was: I traded you to Conrad, I opened the door for David, I didn't kill Lingard, I shot Joan and you still want to come with me? But yeah I was happy anyway.
haha i got that ending too, i only picked it just for the motorcycle scene but liked it bc i still had my brother and nephew, even if it meant kate dying
I liked the ending, it was very emotional, even when javier screams, but I always use Melton logic and say: when there a thousands of zombie… mores moaning so that is how they stick together so maybe they aren't going after javier because of that one reason. Yeah, it made me sad but I weren't going back to change it because I liked the way javier and clem's went on the bike, even better when clem said to me she's with me wherever I went. The first thing that came to my mind was: I traded you to Conrad, I opened the door for David, I didn't kill Lingard, I shot Joan and you still want to come with me? But yeah I was happy anyway.
haha i got that ending too, i only picked it just for the motorcycle scene but liked it bc i still had my brother and nephew, even if it meant kate dying
yeah i know, i for sure thought seeing from the trailer they were going to find her in the beginning and that was why they fought. at least i think that would've been a better(? lack of better term) reason for them to fight.
yeah me too and the scene was just so badass as soon as she "we can get on that motorcycle and go after gabe" i was just like "what's a kate and richmond?" lol
I noticed that, too. It distracts me on every playthrough. That's an awful retcon if ever there was one, to try and make Jane look useful/instructive.
it's not even an optional thing, don't you have to take out a walker's legs during the bridge fight in ep 2?
also winston was the first one seen doing the leg/knee trick trick, funny enough
It annoys me how Jane gets credited every time someone takes out the walkers legs. Clem figured it out before she met her, it's not exactly rocket science.
Someone really ought to ask telltale what their intentions were with Jane. Rewrites mean that scene can be taken so many ways. Is she being pragmatic? Is she being cruel? Is she just a HARDCOOOORE feminist shooting off dicks?
As for the troy and jane "helping" each other thing, that was an odd last minute revelation that really has no place in the current story, probably again due to re-writes.
Why does no one ever blame Luke for that? Like he's just an innocent schoolboy that got seduced? He's probably older than she is, for chrissake.
Also Jane may have been crass and selfish about that, but she was right. She nearly died when she did go to help Sarah. She couldn't lift the whole deck off her in time, and chances are Sarah would have been too hurt to escape quickly enough anyway.
Why not hold responsible the assholes that stopped firing at the zombies and/or didn't jump down to help the struggling kid trapped under rubble?
Let's not forget that the only one that even seems affected by Sarah's death is Jane. Everyone else actually forgets her until Luke gets an obligatory "list everyone that died" moment in ep 5. Rebecca didn't even ask what happened to her.
Meh, I think all the Jane hate is pretty funny with how unwarranted it is. Not that I can't see why she would annoy people. But it seems like people are hating on a character that was afflicted by bad writing like everyone else was., but she gets to bear the brunt of all the hate. Why? Because she was introduced later? Because she's too pretty, or because she's a "Stronk female who don't need no man" cliche?
Agreed, without the previous backstory of Troy being a probable rapist, it seems like it's just there to make Clem question if Jane is a goo… mored role model choice.
Except, one little problem... HER MURDERING TROY IS NEVER EVER BROUGHT UP AGAIN.
Not by a single person. Even Kenny could use that against her, but doesn't.
In hindsight, sure. But at the time, it was most likely there to make her seem hardcore.
And it not being brought up again is indeed a problem, as while there is the whole Asshole Victim trope, that still seems like something a story about survival and trust would remember to bring up again. Which was especially bad in my case since, on my first playthrough, I thought she told Troy about THE plan and killed him for sake of hiding it.
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Yeah, that's the full justification for it on TvTropes. Still, she was arguably the closest thing to a singular Big Bad of Amid the Ruins and she more or less catalyzes several deaths leading up to her plan against Kenny, so it's somewhat fitting depending on who you are.
seriously? yes, she's the one who gave Sarah PTSD, or whatever her issue was. everyone agreed to the plan, Jane didn't force them to do it.
yes, Jane was the one who dropped the deck on sarah, I forgot that part. maybe she even pushed her?
Maybe sarah should have stayed inside where it was safe?
Well, you can clearly see they had certain things in mind for them that may or may not have been downplayed and/or given to other characters, though I have no clue what Breckon was gonna do with Nick, tbh.
I would hope something redeeming. Sacrificing himself for Clementine sounds really appealing to me.
I never quite got over the point gun/almost shoot at bleeding little girl scenario. I don't care what kind of shit you went through, that's a dick move and even Nick's apology was kind of half-assed, but he was clearly ashamed of it, just too immature to really own up to it, I think.
Admittedly, I kinda like certain things that came out of the changes, but that doesn't really negate the value of cohesive storytelling. They could've resolved certain points a lot better than they did.
I know, obviously. It's a tough call to make though, the line between reality and fiction.
Currently, I don't think I would change too much. I would have Clem spend much more time with the cabin group fishing, doing day to day stuff before they all start dying. I would probably eliminate kenny entirely and replace his actions/key moments with Carlos. Jane stays, but make her less reluctant to share her past and put her more in the background. Russians maybe get replaced with remnants from Carver's camp. Don't know what the climax would be. Carlos vs Jane? I don't know about that. Nick and Sarah get to live much longer, but I don't know what to do with them either. I would probably have the 400 days characters join the main cast, but I can't see them being much more than cannon fodder.
Yeah, that was fine. It's just also really apparent that Nick Breckon was just saddled with Jane and had relatively little idea of what to do with her beyond giving her Luke's role so she'd have top billing.
no problem with that, luke was a schmuck.
As I said, all the extra attention and perks Jane got is the most obvious symptom of this; always getting chances to interact with Clementine, be heralded as a "tragic" badass by the other characters, being pivotal to several major scenes, or make up for her wrongdoings while other characters (besides Kenny of course, who also qualifies to an extent) generally don't. Luke, Rebecca, and in a weird example Carlos in particular got very little of that in comparison despite being more important characters.
Well, running time is certainly a factor. Maybe if they were longer they could give secondary characters more screentime. As it is, I guess at some point they though Clem having a big sister type mentor would be a good idea, unfortunately they didn't plan this from the start instead setting up some relationship with luke that goes nowhere. As for action scenes, Carlos would be interesting but Rebecca is pregnant as shit. I don't expect much from her.
It is very possible for a sueish character to hate or be hated by other characters--the catch is generally that those characters will ultimately be portrayed as being in the wrong, as I also noted about. Rebecca and Kenny are the most obvious examples of the latter example, but Arvo and especially Sarah count for the former categories. Which is really bizzare given that they're two of the nicest and most sympathetic characters in the Season(which I realize isn't saying much, given the "competition"), which just adds to the bullshit. Though Bonnie is definitely a weird zigzag, tbh.
But they weren't portrayed in the wrong, the season was pretty good at being ambiguous with whether Jane or Kenny were the right choice, IMO. That was one of its few strengths. Come on, let's not pretend Sarah and Arvo didn't do some stupid shit. Sarah pretty much got Reggie killed. And if you wait long enough on the timer in ep 4, she literally gets Clementine killed too. Funny how you never bring that one up. And Arvo, well he lied. He implied there was a lot of food at the house, and they all went there for only two cans. It's not like he said there was a truck to be fixed up or anything, that was luck. Plus his running away on the lake made him look suspicious, and so did his hiding drugs in a trash can. If he had explained properly what he was doing, maybe there wouldn't have been an issue.
Bonnie though, she intrigues me. You're right about her zig-zagging. It's kind of spooky when she's had this soft, kind of submissive demeanor the whole game and then suddenly she's smoking and speaking to you in a harsh, bitter tone outside.
Well, considering it involves Kenny and I'm the one who made that, relatively little in terms of schadenfreude. The punchline is viagra, btw.
Just thought you'd enjoy staring at anything that involves Jane in pain.
Yeah, well, internal consistency is important for a reason. And ultimately, it's the fact that it felt deliberately staged to make you want to save her despite her supposed badassery--which is exactly the case, as it turns out. All the actiony shit they had her doing up till that point suddenly meant nothing as she could barely even hurt Kenny without fightin dirty. And then, no matter what you do, he always ends up being the one who will kill her if he isn't shot and there is an extra choice to this after he kills her, but not a single one to do so to Jane after the stuff she pulled. Uh huh.
Look, we've both said already that it was a horribly staged scene. Arguing further just kind of seems pointless, don't you think?
But again, how is taking out brainless shambling corpses the same as fighting a severely pissed off intelligent man who has nothing left to lose?
You can hate Jane, but at least don't make up reasons.
And I'll be the first to admit they should have had a [shoot Jane] option after the fact. It's only fair.
For a bit of cruel irony, have Clem shoot her in the groin (maybe accidentally as Jane tries to disarm her. Because Clem isn't that cruel), leave her on the ground writhing as walkers come. You know, that would make Troy's death have a point. Ironic/karmic deaths are always fun.
Jane is hardly the big bad, all the key moments in the season point to it being Kenny. Kenny also long overstayed his welcome after cheating… more death in season 1. But this was all intentionally supposed to be optional/subjective anyway, so... not much point in arguing about it.
Yeah, that's the full justification for it on TvTropes. Still, she was arguably the closest thing to a singular Big Bad of Amid the Ruins and she more or less catalyzes several deaths leading up to her plan against Kenny, so it's somewhat fitting depending on who you are.
It does feel like two different stories/seasons jammed together. That cabin group - what did they have planned for them?
Well, you can clearly see they had certain things in mind for them that may or may not have been downplayed and/or given to other characters, though I have no clue what Breckon was gonna do with Nick, tbh.
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You know what, it does make sense that Lingard was broken but I agree that it kinda worked with him.
It's honestly kinda weird seeing some of these guys show emotion now after so long in part because of that.
In episode 3 flashback, Kate says "if they're not alive... just the dead... muertos." Then Javi replies with "Then that's what we'll call th… moreem."
But I decided to translate it. Muertos is just dead in Spanish. They're not calling it anything special.
Hey, someone please.. about those broken face animations, I bought ANF via Steam, why don't I have the updates? I'm at this very moment playing the section where Javi gets stabbed on the shoulder and I have the same blank face dude that's been creeping everybody out. Guess I don't have the update on Lingard etc either then.. I'm just wondering who has the updates?
Yes, I know that, however you said it's a "dick to players who wanted to LEARN about edgar allen poe's house". If you wanted to learn about his house, you wouldn't be playing a zombie game.
I always knew muertos was dead but I really preferred the walkers thing when I first heard it. Here's hoping they join the cool kids and start calling them what most people call them, even Kate and gabe say walker at one point, not sure about about javier.
In episode 3 flashback, Kate says "if they're not alive... just the dead... muertos." Then Javi replies with "Then that's what we'll call th… moreem."
But I decided to translate it. Muertos is just dead in Spanish. They're not calling it anything special.
seriously? yes, she's the one who gave Sarah PTSD, or whatever her issue was. everyone agreed to the plan, Jane didn't force them to do it.
yes, Jane was the one who dropped the deck on sarah, I forgot that part. maybe she even pushed her?
Wrong episodes, smarty pants.
I mean how she tells Clementine to abandon the group, tries get Sarah killed, pressures Clementine into robbing Arvo, and distracts Luke when he was supposed to be on watch.
Maybe sarah should have stayed inside where it was safe?
That is the obvious solution, yes. No one(mainly the biased developers) thought to have her help Kenny inside and Bonnie simply told her to stay out everyone's way, which she was doing.
The fact that she and Jane ended up falling because of Clementine attempt to block the gate with the cannon(which I found out was filled with friggin cement, btw) was an unforeseen freak accident.
I would hope something redeeming. Sacrificing himself for Clementine sounds really appealing to me.
He already determinately did if she went with him, but whatever. Sacrificing himself for Luke makes more sense to me anyway.
Though I really don't see the need for every character to do that, tbh. A character should not have to die to "redeem" themself; a fuckin apology and/or striving to do better in the future will more than suffice, thank you.
I never quite got over the point gun/almost shoot at bleeding little girl scenario. I don't care what kind of shit you went through, that's a dick move and even Nick's apology was kind of half-assed, but he was clearly ashamed of it, just too immature to really own up to it, I think.
Yeah, that was dumb, but at least he didn't actually shoot her.
I know, obviously. It's a tough call to make though, the line between reality and fiction.
A line they selectively ignore on occasion.
Currently, I don't think I would change too much. I would have Clem spend much more time with the cabin group fishing, doing day to day stuff before they all start dying. I would probably eliminate kenny entirely and replace his actions/key moments with Carlos. Jane stays, but make her less reluctant to share her past and put her more in the background. Russians maybe get replaced with remnants from Carver's camp. Don't know what the climax would be. Carlos vs Jane? I don't know about that. Nick and Sarah get to live much longer, but I don't know what to do with them either. I would probably have the 400 days characters join the main cast, but I can't see them being much more than cannon fodder.
Mm...sounds about right.
I know I'm one of the few people who actually likes Arvo and the concept of the Russian Group, but whatever.
Carlos vs. Luke was almost certainly the original intent, though I'm admittedly not sure how long they had the concept of a final fight in mind.
And I honestly don't fully get the fascination of having the 400 Days crew tag along. Maybe if it's restricted somehow to make it manageable, but even then, you're really just cluttering up the cast(and save files) with extra characters.
no problem with that, luke was a schmuck.
Hmph.
Well, running time is certainly a factor. Maybe if they were longer they could give secondary characters more screentime. As it is, I guess at some point they though Clem having a big sister type mentor would be a good idea, unfortunately they didn't plan this from the start instead setting up some relationship with luke that goes nowhere. As for action scenes, Carlos would be interesting
Pretty much. Though I know Jane wasn't always intended to be that, so it's more like they just copied what they were going for with Luke. There are some obvious parallels and scene rashes supporting that too.
but Rebecca is pregnant as shit. I don't expect much from her.
But they weren't portrayed in the wrong, the season was pretty good at being ambiguous with whether Jane or Kenny were the right choice, IMO. That was one of its few strengths.
Meh. This has been talked to death already anyway, so I don't know what to say.
Come on, let's not pretend Sarah and Arvo didn't do some stupid shit.
Sure, stupid shit, but malicious. I know Arvo was intentionally paced to be a little more debatable at first, but Sarah doesn't have a malicious bone in her body. No matter what the weird presumable foreshadowing tries to tell you.
Sarah pretty much got Reggie killed.
And? I'm not saying she helped the situation, but the truth is Reggie was [quite literally] dead no matter what. It's made abundantly clear that Carver was planning on killing him anyway, particularly since Troy and Tavia reinforce the notion that Reggie had a minor habit of messing things up(being a desperate prisoner and missing an arm will do that to you). Add in that Reggie really was supposed to be keeping an occasional eye on the newbies and the fact that Carver claimed he was only there to check up on their process and there's little that would've changed that anyway.
Speaking of which, funny how Jane not only never mentions this but had no real way of knowing about it considering she didn't talk to anyone besides Troy, now that you mention it.
And if you wait long enough on the timer in ep 4, she literally gets Clementine killed too. Funny how you never bring that one up.
Probably because at no point does Sarah try to make Clementine stay, being a humble/self-deprecating person who's distracted mourning her traumatic loss and having PSTD flashbacks and all. Not to mention that Jane lets it happen in that timeline--funny how you didn't bring THAT up!
And Arvo, well he lied. He implied there was a lot of food at the house, and they all went there for only two cans. It's not like he said there was a truck to be fixed up or anything, that was luck.
No, they all went there for shelter and several full bags of [Wellington] supplies. Get your facts straight!
Though now that you mention it, it is funny that there was a truck there, broken down or not. But it wasn't a concern when the deal was made anyway, particularly since he had no way of knowing Kenny could fix it.
Plus his running away on the lake made him look suspicious, and so did his hiding drugs in a trash can. If he had explained properly what he was doing, maybe there wouldn't have been an issue.
Not sure what the former has to do with Jane, but neither eliminates her part in the entire conflict happening. But I suppose it doesn't matter, considering Arvo apparently forgets that for whatever reason.
Bonnie though, she intrigues me. You're right about her zig-zagging. It's kind of spooky when she's had this soft, kind of submissive demeanor the whole game and then suddenly she's smoking and speaking to you in a harsh, bitter tone outside.
Yeah, but I'm sure it was abundantly clear that the latter attitude was the result of some many failed relationships and broken trusts finally embittering her when the one guy who was genuinely a good, caring person ends up dying because the presumably lighter Clementine didn't go help him.
Also, I was referring to how she was really accommodating of Jane, but whatever. Let's talk about someone else for once.
Just thought you'd enjoy staring at anything that involves Jane in pain.
I got other stuff going on. Besides, leaving Jane to her fate is a far more appropriate dealio, muh mealio.
Look, we've both said already that it was a horribly staged scene. Arguing further just kind of seems pointless, don't you think?
Tell that to the Community, pal.
But again, how is taking out brainless shambling corpses the same as fighting a severely pissed off intelligent man who has nothing left to lose?
Yes, I admit that that's something I considered later on. Blame Telltale for getting the wrong across. Though I suppose you can say that for a lot of other things as well.
You can hate Jane, but at least don't make up reasons.
I'm not. The reasons I justifiably hate her are pretty much on the screen, for the most part.
And I'll be the first to admit they should have had a [shoot Jane] option after the fact. It's only fair.
For a bit of cruel irony, have Clem shoot her in the groin (maybe accidentally as Jane tries to disarm her. Because Clem isn't that cruel), leave her on the ground writhing as walkers come. You know, that would make Troy's death have a point. Ironic/karmic deaths are always fun.
Goddamnit, I just thought about something to that effect last night! I don't know, that really does cross a line with me that I am NOT to eager to dish out, much less take.
But for those who'd find it delicious, sure why not.
Yeah, that's the full justification for it on TvTropes. Still, she was arguably the closest thing to a singular Big Bad of Amid the Ruins an… mored she more or less catalyzes several deaths leading up to her plan against Kenny, so it's somewhat fitting depending on who you are.
seriously? yes, she's the one who gave Sarah PTSD, or whatever her issue was. everyone agreed to the plan, Jane didn't force them to do it.
yes, Jane was the one who dropped the deck on sarah, I forgot that part. maybe she even pushed her?
Maybe sarah should have stayed inside where it was safe?
Well, you can clearly see they had certain things in mind for them that may or may not have been downplayed and/or given to other characters, though I have no clue what Breckon was gonna do with Nick, tbh.
I would hope something redeeming. Sacrificing himself for Clementine sounds really appealing to me.
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I've just only noticed that dialogue when you choose to romance Kate in episode 4 changes after kissing her (I think if you're on good terms with David or not) because if you select the that'd be appropriate option, javier will either say "that'd be the stand up thing to do in this situation. Can I just say how lame doing the stand up thing is though" or he will say "I guess that would uh.... be the stand-up thing to do" Kate's response is different to each one of these.
Nope, you can only get heartfelt. The decision to stand with him in episode 5 is broken, and the end of game acts like you refused to stand with him no matter what you chose. As a result, the highest you can get is the heartfelt one.
That always confused me. Why didn't they just make it so that she says the same line in all 3 choices. It would eliminate that weird inconsistency and no one would think anything of it.
Forgive me if this has already been brought up before, but I'm pretty sure at the end of Ep 4(?) When Kate decides to be a hero and ends up … morecrashing the truck, her reasons for doing it shift depend on what you said when she asked to come get you. If you say "Come pick us up!" She'll respond like "Okay I'm headed to you now!". But if you tell her "No, stay back and we'll come to you!", as if by the grace of Plot God, her radio suddenly starts acting up and she says "What?! I cant hear you! I'm coming over there!".
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Yeah, that fakeout was pretty stupid on David's part, but awesomely hilarious nonetheless.
And the promo art was one big middle finger to me cos I got the zombie Kate ending DX
Yeah, I don't like that ending either.
I liked the ending, it was very emotional, even when javier screams, but I always use Melton logic and say: when there a thousands of zombies moaning so that is how they stick together so maybe they aren't going after javier because of that one reason. Yeah, it made me sad but I weren't going back to change it because I liked the way javier and clem's went on the bike, even better when clem said to me she's with me wherever I went. The first thing that came to my mind was: I traded you to Conrad, I opened the door for David, I didn't kill Lingard, I shot Joan and you still want to come with me? But yeah I was happy anyway.
haha i got that ending too, i only picked it just for the motorcycle scene but liked it bc i still had my brother and nephew, even if it meant kate dying
Awww shit me too XD motorcycles win me over all the time, especially when clem said she'll tag along.
yeah i know, i for sure thought seeing from the trailer they were going to find her in the beginning and that was why they fought. at least i think that would've been a better(? lack of better term) reason for them to fight.
yeah me too and the scene was just so badass as soon as she "we can get on that motorcycle and go after gabe" i was just like "what's a kate and richmond?" lol
Telltale is a dick to players who wanted to learn about Edgar Allan Poe's house.
It's an easy jump.
google exists
Still, it would be simple much simple to control a character to explore the house.
I noticed that, too. It distracts me on every playthrough. That's an awful retcon if ever there was one, to try and make Jane look useful/instructive.
it's not even an optional thing, don't you have to take out a walker's legs during the bridge fight in ep 2?
also winston was the first one seen doing the leg/knee trick trick, funny enough
Also lingard kinda looked better before, don't you think? Suits him more.
Someone really ought to ask telltale what their intentions were with Jane. Rewrites mean that scene can be taken so many ways. Is she being pragmatic? Is she being cruel? Is she just a HARDCOOOORE feminist shooting off dicks?
As for the troy and jane "helping" each other thing, that was an odd last minute revelation that really has no place in the current story, probably again due to re-writes.
Why does no one ever blame Luke for that? Like he's just an innocent schoolboy that got seduced? He's probably older than she is, for chrissake.
Also Jane may have been crass and selfish about that, but she was right. She nearly died when she did go to help Sarah. She couldn't lift the whole deck off her in time, and chances are Sarah would have been too hurt to escape quickly enough anyway.
Why not hold responsible the assholes that stopped firing at the zombies and/or didn't jump down to help the struggling kid trapped under rubble?
Let's not forget that the only one that even seems affected by Sarah's death is Jane. Everyone else actually forgets her until Luke gets an obligatory "list everyone that died" moment in ep 5. Rebecca didn't even ask what happened to her.
Meh, I think all the Jane hate is pretty funny with how unwarranted it is. Not that I can't see why she would annoy people. But it seems like people are hating on a character that was afflicted by bad writing like everyone else was., but she gets to bear the brunt of all the hate. Why? Because she was introduced later? Because she's too pretty, or because she's a "Stronk female who don't need no man" cliche?
seriously? yes, she's the one who gave Sarah PTSD, or whatever her issue was. everyone agreed to the plan, Jane didn't force them to do it.
yes, Jane was the one who dropped the deck on sarah, I forgot that part. maybe she even pushed her?
Maybe sarah should have stayed inside where it was safe?
I would hope something redeeming. Sacrificing himself for Clementine sounds really appealing to me.
I never quite got over the point gun/almost shoot at bleeding little girl scenario. I don't care what kind of shit you went through, that's a dick move and even Nick's apology was kind of half-assed, but he was clearly ashamed of it, just too immature to really own up to it, I think.
I know, obviously. It's a tough call to make though, the line between reality and fiction.
Currently, I don't think I would change too much. I would have Clem spend much more time with the cabin group fishing, doing day to day stuff before they all start dying. I would probably eliminate kenny entirely and replace his actions/key moments with Carlos. Jane stays, but make her less reluctant to share her past and put her more in the background. Russians maybe get replaced with remnants from Carver's camp. Don't know what the climax would be. Carlos vs Jane? I don't know about that. Nick and Sarah get to live much longer, but I don't know what to do with them either. I would probably have the 400 days characters join the main cast, but I can't see them being much more than cannon fodder.
no problem with that, luke was a schmuck.
Well, running time is certainly a factor. Maybe if they were longer they could give secondary characters more screentime. As it is, I guess at some point they though Clem having a big sister type mentor would be a good idea, unfortunately they didn't plan this from the start instead setting up some relationship with luke that goes nowhere. As for action scenes, Carlos would be interesting but Rebecca is pregnant as shit. I don't expect much from her.
But they weren't portrayed in the wrong, the season was pretty good at being ambiguous with whether Jane or Kenny were the right choice, IMO. That was one of its few strengths. Come on, let's not pretend Sarah and Arvo didn't do some stupid shit. Sarah pretty much got Reggie killed. And if you wait long enough on the timer in ep 4, she literally gets Clementine killed too. Funny how you never bring that one up. And Arvo, well he lied. He implied there was a lot of food at the house, and they all went there for only two cans. It's not like he said there was a truck to be fixed up or anything, that was luck. Plus his running away on the lake made him look suspicious, and so did his hiding drugs in a trash can. If he had explained properly what he was doing, maybe there wouldn't have been an issue.
Bonnie though, she intrigues me. You're right about her zig-zagging. It's kind of spooky when she's had this soft, kind of submissive demeanor the whole game and then suddenly she's smoking and speaking to you in a harsh, bitter tone outside.
Just thought you'd enjoy staring at anything that involves Jane in pain.
Look, we've both said already that it was a horribly staged scene. Arguing further just kind of seems pointless, don't you think?
But again, how is taking out brainless shambling corpses the same as fighting a severely pissed off intelligent man who has nothing left to lose?
You can hate Jane, but at least don't make up reasons.
And I'll be the first to admit they should have had a [shoot Jane] option after the fact. It's only fair.
For a bit of cruel irony, have Clem shoot her in the groin (maybe accidentally as Jane tries to disarm her. Because Clem isn't that cruel), leave her on the ground writhing as walkers come. You know, that would make Troy's death have a point. Ironic/karmic deaths are always fun.
What the fuck?
I hate Mariana's Trench. Now I'm thinking of Mariana in a trench during wwII
Actually yes.
Oh shit I forgot she stayed silent if lee tells her to do it XD I think. My bad
In episode 3 flashback, Kate says "if they're not alive... just the dead... muertos." Then Javi replies with "Then that's what we'll call them."
But I decided to translate it. Muertos is just dead in Spanish. They're not calling it anything special.
Whoa, really? That's a pretty nice find, congrats.
Hey guys i don't know is you know this but if you choose the correct dialogue choices clem can slap avas hand in episode 4
Hey guys I don't know is you know this but if you grammar good then you can bitchslap avas face in episode 4
Hey, someone please.. about those broken face animations, I bought ANF via Steam, why don't I have the updates? I'm at this very moment playing the section where Javi gets stabbed on the shoulder and I have the same blank face dude that's been creeping everybody out. Guess I don't have the update on Lingard etc either then.. I'm just wondering who has the updates?
Yes, I know that, however you said it's a "dick to players who wanted to LEARN about edgar allen poe's house". If you wanted to learn about his house, you wouldn't be playing a zombie game.
I always knew muertos was dead but I really preferred the walkers thing when I first heard it. Here's hoping they join the cool kids and start calling them what most people call them, even Kate and gabe say walker at one point, not sure about about javier.
Wrong episodes, smarty pants.
I mean how she tells Clementine to abandon the group, tries get Sarah killed, pressures Clementine into robbing Arvo, and distracts Luke when he was supposed to be on watch.
That is the obvious solution, yes. No one(mainly the biased developers) thought to have her help Kenny inside and Bonnie simply told her to stay out everyone's way, which she was doing.
The fact that she and Jane ended up falling because of Clementine attempt to block the gate with the cannon(which I found out was filled with friggin cement, btw) was an unforeseen freak accident.
He already determinately did if she went with him, but whatever. Sacrificing himself for Luke makes more sense to me anyway.
Though I really don't see the need for every character to do that, tbh. A character should not have to die to "redeem" themself; a fuckin apology and/or striving to do better in the future will more than suffice, thank you.
Yeah, that was dumb, but at least he didn't actually shoot her.
A line they selectively ignore on occasion.
Mm...sounds about right.
I know I'm one of the few people who actually likes Arvo and the concept of the Russian Group, but whatever.
Carlos vs. Luke was almost certainly the original intent, though I'm admittedly not sure how long they had the concept of a final fight in mind.
And I honestly don't fully get the fascination of having the 400 Days crew tag along. Maybe if it's restricted somehow to make it manageable, but even then, you're really just cluttering up the cast(and save files) with extra characters.
Hmph.
Pretty much. Though I know Jane wasn't always intended to be that, so it's more like they just copied what they were going for with Luke. There are some obvious parallels and scene rashes supporting that too.
Meh. This has been talked to death already anyway, so I don't know what to say.
Sure, stupid shit, but malicious. I know Arvo was intentionally paced to be a little more debatable at first, but Sarah doesn't have a malicious bone in her body. No matter what the weird presumable foreshadowing tries to tell you.
And? I'm not saying she helped the situation, but the truth is Reggie was [quite literally] dead no matter what. It's made abundantly clear that Carver was planning on killing him anyway, particularly since Troy and Tavia reinforce the notion that Reggie had a minor habit of messing things up(being a desperate prisoner and missing an arm will do that to you). Add in that Reggie really was supposed to be keeping an occasional eye on the newbies and the fact that Carver claimed he was only there to check up on their process and there's little that would've changed that anyway.
Speaking of which, funny how Jane not only never mentions this but had no real way of knowing about it considering she didn't talk to anyone besides Troy, now that you mention it.
Probably because at no point does Sarah try to make Clementine stay, being a humble/self-deprecating person who's distracted mourning her traumatic loss and having PSTD flashbacks and all. Not to mention that Jane lets it happen in that timeline--funny how you didn't bring THAT up!
No, they all went there for shelter and several full bags of [Wellington] supplies. Get your facts straight!
Though now that you mention it, it is funny that there was a truck there, broken down or not. But it wasn't a concern when the deal was made anyway, particularly since he had no way of knowing Kenny could fix it.
Not sure what the former has to do with Jane, but neither eliminates her part in the entire conflict happening. But I suppose it doesn't matter, considering Arvo apparently forgets that for whatever reason.
Yeah, but I'm sure it was abundantly clear that the latter attitude was the result of some many failed relationships and broken trusts finally embittering her when the one guy who was genuinely a good, caring person ends up dying because the presumably lighter Clementine didn't go help him.
Also, I was referring to how she was really accommodating of Jane, but whatever. Let's talk about someone else for once.
I got other stuff going on. Besides, leaving Jane to her fate is a far more appropriate dealio, muh mealio.
Tell that to the Community, pal.
Yes, I admit that that's something I considered later on. Blame Telltale for getting the wrong across. Though I suppose you can say that for a lot of other things as well.
I'm not. The reasons I justifiably hate her are pretty much on the screen, for the most part.
Goddamnit, I just thought about something to that effect last night!
I don't know, that really does cross a line with me that I am NOT to eager to dish out, much less take.
But for those who'd find it delicious, sure why not.
The fuckin sickos
A fine walker
Muerto has been mentioned in Fear the Walking Dead and an episode was called "The New Frontier"
If you help Kill Larry and tell Clem you couldn't risk him turning, then shoot Lee in episode 5, Clem will bring up the conversation about Larry
I really loved that detail, it made Lee's death more emotional when hearing from Clementine herself, that she realizes it was to protect her.
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I've just only noticed that dialogue when you choose to romance Kate in episode 4 changes after kissing her (I think if you're on good terms with David or not) because if you select the that'd be appropriate option, javier will either say "that'd be the stand up thing to do in this situation. Can I just say how lame doing the stand up thing is though" or he will say "I guess that would uh.... be the stand-up thing to do" Kate's response is different to each one of these.
I have a question. Is it possible to get brotherly relationship with David in the ending credits or is it only glitched and says heartfelt?
Nope, you can only get heartfelt. The decision to stand with him in episode 5 is broken, and the end of game acts like you refused to stand with him no matter what you chose. As a result, the highest you can get is the heartfelt one.
That always confused me. Why didn't they just make it so that she says the same line in all 3 choices. It would eliminate that weird inconsistency and no one would think anything of it.