It's not the same thing. And besides that my interest in the pairing isn't because of gay romance. Like I said a few comments above. You should ship a pairing because you like the idea of two specific characters being together. Not because you want them to be a certain sexuality. And really? Is it that important to you to go out of your way to try to turn the thread into a joke?
Trust me you don't want that... is already happen in flashpoint or something like that
Where Martha Wayne is the Joker and Thomas Way… morene as Batman
If you really want gay romance you can take Jim Gordon
I do also think that having gay romance is not really close to being a plot of this game LoooL especially a romance with a gay antagonist
For our amusement will be hilarious
Being together as into relationship?! Hmmm, they are already in a friendship so assuming being in a sexual relationship, that means gay as long both genders are male.
Oh, I get it now, you mean bromance xD!
Is about Joker and making a joke into a thread about Joker well let's say I do honour Joker Soooo, why so serious?
YESSS. I'm all for an option for Bruce to romance John lmao. The bond between the two characters is already there, and from what I've seen in my play through, John has some sort of feelings towards Bruce already. As much as I hope for this to happen, I doubt it will, but hey, maybe Telltale will surprise us?
You can't expect every person to take this seriously. But that goes for every thread. I'm sure that a lot of people are legitimately on telltale forums just to have fun. That's why I joined up.
It's not the same thing. And besides that my interest in the pairing isn't because of gay romance. Like I said a few comments above. You sho… moreuld ship a pairing because you like the idea of two specific characters being together. Not because you want them to be a certain sexuality. And really? Is it that important to you to go out of your way to try to turn the thread into a joke?
It's not the same thing. And besides that my interest in the pairing isn't because of gay romance. Like I said a few comments above. You sho… moreuld ship a pairing because you like the idea of two specific characters being together. Not because you want them to be a certain sexuality. And really? Is it that important to you to go out of your way to try to turn the thread into a joke?
"You should ship a pairing because you like the idea of two specific characters being together. Not because you want them to be a certain se… morexuality."
So the sexuality the characters already have doesn't matter? or you feel entitled to tell everyone that they should be bisexual?
This thread literally is about adding the John Doe romance option in the game. Nobody is telling anyone what sexuality they should be, that was ridiculous. Characters and their backstories and everything else gets changed all the time. This would be no different than changing any other detail. Besides it would be optional anyway so it shouldn't anger anyone that much.
You just can't add a romance for the sake of fandom, I want to see Jim Gordon and Bruce Wayne together or even some harem level, and believe me is never the point of their sexuality is point where those things should not be touch, I don't think a gay or bisexual whatever you desire would make a sense
"Batman, the Dark Knight has never had a leading partner and instead, he has been constantly switching interests when it comes to romance. This is due to the nature of the Batman character, who cannot maintain a serious relationship with a woman as a result of his obsession with his crusade against crime. On the other hand, Bruce Wayne, Batman's alter-ego, has managed to have a few relationships with ladies of his interest, but they always come to a rather abrupt end, because of the lack of trust and constant absence shown by Wayne, which has earned him the reputation as a notorious playboy."
DC Comics has never indicated Batman to be gay or bisexual
You all LGBT raging fans please try to follow a blank narrative
Plus his whole Batman psychology denin him of having romance, especially between the same gender
Batzy, Batzy you don't get the Joker sure it can happen in the telltale story but most likely that is doubtful, DC Comics wouldn't want their most iconical character to be reminded as a bisexual one. Batman wouldn't be the one difficult figure we've grown to know.
Kaelthas' point was more toward the fact that AgentZ46 said 'you should ship a pairing because you like the idea of two specific characters being together. Not because you want them to be a certain sexuality.' He didn't say 'I think you should' he said, 'you should.'
That can be interpreted as someone telling you how you should feel about a subject. Which no one has the right to tell someone they should think a certain way. You don't have to agree with them, but neither them with you.
Optional doesn't mean it won't affect the story. Selina and Bruce's relationship often feels like a romance even if you didn't romance her. The last thing I want is to feel like I romanced John. ...Maybe Gordon. If I had to pick. I'm liking his mustache.
This thread literally is about adding the John Doe romance option in the game. Nobody is telling anyone what sexuality they should be, that … morewas ridiculous. Characters and their backstories and everything else gets changed all the time. This would be no different than changing any other detail. Besides it would be optional anyway so it shouldn't anger anyone that much.
NO just NO.
He pulls some really ugly ass faces to the point that I think him and Harley getting together is impossible. Would Bruce or Harley kiss this face? NO:
I romanced her in season 1 so I don't know what the other route looks like.. but in season 2 I haven't felt like I've romanced her since I decided to be friends, more that she was willing.
I would trust TT to be able to handle it so that it wouldn't make those who don't want it uncomfortable. Otherwise I get what you're saying.. The option could only come up when you've picked just the right dialogue options before, so that there could be no way you'd accidentally get there. Sure it would be a daring move from TT, but it's fun to play with the thought.
Gordon and his mustache is getting a lot of love! I can get behind that.
Optional doesn't mean it won't affect the story. Selina and Bruce's relationship often feels like a romance even if you didn't romance her. … moreThe last thing I want is to feel like I romanced John. ...Maybe Gordon. If I had to pick. I'm liking his mustache.
It would be as optional as Javi being bisexual in Walking dead New Frontier because of just one single flirt at the very ending of the game, and even if you don't pick that option, Javi is bisexual. This is not some sort of "you decide the sexuality of your Batman", Batman is straight, the option being there would mean Bruce is bisexual and has the option to romance Selina, or John, or no one.
Why it shouldn't anger anyone? You're deleting the sexuality of a character for everyone, but there is already some weird double standard in society about changing the sexuality of straight characters under the excuse "there are already other straight characters", I bet this thread wouldn't be so peaceful if Bruce was already gay and someone was asking to be able to have the option to romance Catwoman.
This thread literally is about adding the John Doe romance option in the game. Nobody is telling anyone what sexuality they should be, that … morewas ridiculous. Characters and their backstories and everything else gets changed all the time. This would be no different than changing any other detail. Besides it would be optional anyway so it shouldn't anger anyone that much.
At first when I saw this topic I thought it was for fun, but if you expect serious response, here it is…
There is a few things that I would NOT want to see happening in this game and this one is on top of that list. I can't think about worse idea to kill the enjoyment that I get from this game.
There is plenty of games where you can build your character from scratch and where it is you who decide whom your character should romance, but this is not one of those games. We play as Bruce Wayne - character that is ‘alive’ in all kind of media for years. Things change, writers change, but fundaments of this character stays the same and should not be changed. The only romances we ever saw that Bruce has gotten into were with women. In parallel dimension (Earth Two) he was even married and had a child. You can’t redefine someone’s sexuality only because you think it would be fun – it is just ridiculous. He was created as a straight white male character and it should not be changed. It is the same as although I am woman I would never want Bruce be replaced by a woman (not talking about his successors or protegees, but about ‘retconning the canon’ to replace Batman with Batwoman).
When you play a predefined character you have to accept that there are some boundaries in which you can make your choices.
One of the reasons why I like this game so much is the fact that this is a new take on Batman but with respect for the legacy in its core – even if we discover the ‘shocking fact’ that Thomas Wayne was not who we thought he was, Bruce’s motivations and personality stays the same in its fundaments. And I do not want it to change. That’s why I would also don’t want to play Bruce who would be friends with the murderers and psychopaths – working undercover, yes, but for the greater good to protect innocent people and stopping the dangerous ones. He needs to stay true to the origins of Batman.
I don't think the point here was trying to change people's opinions. People disagree, it's fine. I thought there could be discussion about the romance option to those who would like it, but that seems impossible around here. Not surprised. Peace
It would be as optional as Javi being bisexual in Walking dead New Frontier because of just one single flirt at the very ending of the game,… more and even if you don't pick that option, Javi is bisexual. This is not some sort of "you decide the sexuality of your Batman", Batman is straight, the option being there would mean Bruce is bisexual and has the option to romance Selina, or John, or no one.
Why it shouldn't anger anyone? You're deleting the sexuality of a character for everyone, but there is already some weird double standard in society about changing the sexuality of straight characters under the excuse "there are already other straight characters", I bet this thread wouldn't be so peaceful if Bruce was already gay and someone was asking to be able to have the option to romance Catwoman.
But the question in the topic says 'How would you feel about...', so there should be no surprise that people in their posts are answering this question by saying what they think about it.
I don't think the point here was trying to change people's opinions. People disagree, it's fine. I thought there could be discussion about the romance option to those who would like it, but that seems impossible around here. Not surprised. Peace
There's indeed a double standard. Many are those who are actively trying to change characters sexuality in order to stay true to a certain representation they have of themselves as an heroic defender of minorities. Straight people are shipped all the time with people of the same sex; yet I have seen people getting upset over a gay or so called gay character being shipped with the opposite sex. There's a flaw in their reasoning, it's incoherant, dishonest and truly, it irritates me.
Potraying a character with X characteristic to please either a part of the audience or fitting a certain politic agenda without actually taking the time to create good stories seems to be something Marvel comics have been called out for recently. I am not saying it's what they do, I don't read Marvel comics. I am just saying that if it's true, I understand the frustration.
However, Telltale is a non-canon game which already changed some of the most important characteristics of some of the most iconic characters of the Batman franchise. In fact, changing defining characteristics while still making their characters recognizable is what they seem to aim for : Starting with an attractive yet poor Oswald Cobblepot, a Harvey with the entirety of his face, but most importantly introducing Thomas Wayne as a criminal thus altering something fundamental in Bruce/Batman story line that seems to keep coming up in the game, an Harleen who've become Harley without the influence of the Joker, and John simply being John.
I can't possibly see how changing Bruce sexuality would even matter at this point. Is it really where you decide to put your boundary ? Especially since it's not ''just to make him bisexual'' ( Idc about that ) but to allow an unique yet fitting take on Batjokes usual tragic, psychological and philosophical dynamic. It's all about potraying the ''love'' they already share in a more literal way... which some writers already started doing.
Telltale has changed things rather successfully thus far, they are aiming to change more from what I have seen. They've already angered people doing so, making Batjokes an option will certainly give them some kind of publicity... why not ? Batman fans are already aware almost every Joker has some kind of love for Batman. the feedback won't be all positive but people will talk about it... I say it's worth it. People definitly value audacity when it's well handled.
Fun fact, the original Joker was said homosexual by the one who pretends to be the one who created him. Now didn't Telltale ''change things'' and ''changed a character's sexuality'' by making him ''fall in love'' with Harley ?
Batman - White Knight ( 2017 )
Batman - Death of the family by Snyder and Greg Capullo ( 2013 )
Batman - Europa ( 2014 )
Batman - Endgame by Snyder and Greg Capullo
Outsiders #3 "Roll Call Part 3: Joke's on You"
Instead of Batman ?
Now I am just pointing out the obvious : There are more important change in making Joker in love with Harley ( for both characters ) than there would be if Bruce and John actually were in a relationship that wouldn't even last long ( for both characters ). With the former they've changed the entire dynamic, with the later they would 1. change Bruce sexuality, 2. merely make Batman's love for the Joker more literal.
Technically Batman and Joker relationship is already changed in Telltale.
Unnecessary Bonus, for your eyes only : Joker grabbing Batman's balls sack by Greg Capullo
Sorry for the wall of text and images... but I kind of had to. This thread has turned into something very sad with dramatic and superficial answers. It was predictable, but unfortunate still given there's room to actually discuss seriously about it. You actually brought up good points so I got a little excited.
It would be as optional as Javi being bisexual in Walking dead New Frontier because of just one single flirt at the very ending of the game,… more and even if you don't pick that option, Javi is bisexual. This is not some sort of "you decide the sexuality of your Batman", Batman is straight, the option being there would mean Bruce is bisexual and has the option to romance Selina, or John, or no one.
Why it shouldn't anger anyone? You're deleting the sexuality of a character for everyone, but there is already some weird double standard in society about changing the sexuality of straight characters under the excuse "there are already other straight characters", I bet this thread wouldn't be so peaceful if Bruce was already gay and someone was asking to be able to have the option to romance Catwoman.
But the question in the topic says 'How would you feel about...', so there should be no surprise that people in their posts are answering this question by saying what they think about it.
I do not intent to twist your words by any means. I just interpreted your post like if you expected that this topic would be 'a place' for discussion for people who support ideas from the original post, when the fact is that the question placed in the title of this thread explicitly asks people about they opinion on given subject, so it is obvious that there will be different opinions from different people - not only 'one side of barricade' discussing what they like the most about it, but also people who will say that they would not want to see it happening at all.
You just can't add a romance for the sake of fandom, I want to see Jim Gordon and Bruce Wayne together or even some harem level, and believe… more me is never the point of their sexuality is point where those things should not be touch, I don't think a gay or bisexual whatever you desire would make a sense
"Batman, the Dark Knight has never had a leading partner and instead, he has been constantly switching interests when it comes to romance. This is due to the nature of the Batman character, who cannot maintain a serious relationship with a woman as a result of his obsession with his crusade against crime. On the other hand, Bruce Wayne, Batman's alter-ego, has managed to have a few relationships with ladies of his interest, but they always come to a rather abrupt end, because of the lack of trust and constant absence shown by Wayne, which has earned him the reputation as a notorious playboy."
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Superficial answers are as valid as any.
For me, the thought of John and Bruce hooking up is cringe-worthy. But frankly, so is what you've shown.
Don't get me wrong, you have good points and I get what your saying. However, Joker has always been creepy to me from telltales version to comics or movies and I'll still shudder and gag at the idea of romancing him.
If you want a reason that's less superficial I'd say based on the fact that John acts like a man-child that it shouldn't happen. Bruce seems a tad-bit too mature for John. Even when he's running around in a costume.
This version of Joker acts like a kid and Bruce a grown man. It'd be weird. And anytime Bruce does indulge in Jokers childish antics, like the high five or the pinky swear, it doesn't appear genuine. Not to me, anyways. It looks very fake, as if he's doing it just to get closer to the pact. Of course, not everyone is going to see it the way I see it. But I don't even think Harley flirts with John for that reason. I haven't really seen her make a move on him like she has with Bruce and she tends to treat John like he's a little lost puppy. John even shows he's frustrated that she doesn't see him as her equal.
Damn, those are some good points.
There's indeed a double standard. Many are those who are actively trying to change characters sexuality… more in order to stay true to a certain representation they have of themselves as an heroic defender of minorities. Straight people are shipped all the time with people of the same sex; yet I have seen people getting upset over a gay or so called gay character being shipped with the opposite sex. There's a flaw in their reasoning, it's incoherant, dishonest and truly, it irritates me.
Potraying a character with X characteristic to please either a part of the audience or fitting a certain politic agenda without actually taking the time to create good stories seems to be something Marvel comics have been called out for recently. I am not saying it's what they do, I don't read Marvel comics. I am just saying that if it's true, I understand the frustration.
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Right? What he describes has dysfunctional relationship written all over it. I think I need to read Wuthering Heights again, but that's an example of dysfunctional relationship that I think people, myself included when I was younger, romanticize. I think both Harley and John have shades of Heathcliff in them.
Okay, so on one hand, what you said is true. On the other, John is Harley obsessed and outright tells Bruce that he is not in love with him. It's possible, I suppose, that John might have a crush on Bats.
Yes! Their relationship is so much more interesting than whatever is happening between Catwoman and Batman. You are all so negative only bec… moreause John is a dude. Aand John is clearly attracted to Bruce, always telling him how good it is to see him or how super handsome and smart he is
I mean this would be a cool option for those who would like it, but I just can't see Bruce"swinging for the other team" in this universe if the joker happens to really have some feelings for Bruce I dont see an issue in Bruce flirting with him to stay on his good side but anything more than that I can't see happening.this is just my humble opinion ☺
I probably should've worded that better. I didn't mean it like that. Tigerius was making it sound like I only want this as an option just for the hell of having a gay romance, and I was trying to make a point, that that's not the case. I wasn't trying to tell people what to think.
Kaelthas' point was more toward the fact that AgentZ46 said 'you should ship a pairing because you like the idea of two specific characters … morebeing together. Not because you want them to be a certain sexuality.' He didn't say 'I think you should' he said, 'you should.'
That can be interpreted as someone telling you how you should feel about a subject. Which no one has the right to tell someone they should think a certain way. You don't have to agree with them, but neither them with you.
I probably should've worded that better. I didn't mean it like that. Tigerius was making it sound like I only want this as an option just fo… morer the hell of having a gay romance, and I was trying to make a point, that that's not the case. I wasn't trying to tell people what to think.
Sorry but from my point of view it does look like you try to pair two male together, wait you said it above xD. Can't just a friendship be more than enough, especially when we're talking about Joker
the main antagonist in every batman stories?!
I probably should've worded that better. I didn't mean it like that. Tigerius was making it sound like I only want this as an option just fo… morer the hell of having a gay romance, and I was trying to make a point, that that's not the case. I wasn't trying to tell people what to think.
They are indeed two males but that's not why I like the pair. I just think it'd work, add some interesting elements to the story and would be a great option for people who want it.
Sorry but from my point of view it does look like you try to pair two male together, wait you said it above xD. Can't just a friendship be more than enough, especially when we're talking about Joker
the main antagonist in every batman stories?!
I'm too shallow to want this. John is just not very attractive. Neither was Oz. But Harvey, before the whole debate scene and potential facial scarring episode, was handsome. Meh. Plus, I didn't find John charming so much as just awkward. Elijah Wood is charming.
Same, too shallow. I wouldn't go for Harvey though. But if Bruce got like a tall mirror and married himself, I'd be down for that. lol, the guy is some serious eye-candy as far as games go.
I'm too shallow to want this. John is just not very attractive. Neither was Oz. But Harvey, before the whole debate scene and potential faci… moreal scarring episode, was handsome. Meh. Plus, I didn't find John charming so much as just awkward. Elijah Wood is charming.
As a straight male, i can't comment on which male character i'd go for. But I did ask my wife her opinion and she said John and Oz were the most appealing to her. Or more specifically, Oz's handsome and John's funny which she likes and she likes his green hair. She didn't comment on Bruce, but was down on Harvey. Said his neck was too thick.
Same, too shallow. I wouldn't go for Harvey though. But if Bruce got like a tall mirror and married himself, I'd be down for that. lol, the guy is some serious eye-candy as far as games go.
I like the scruff on Oz, so I'd have to agree with her on that one. John is too much like a kid to me. I'd say I'd be more inclined to go for it with his season 1 character. I even preferred his season 1 look for some reason, despite that the graphics are better in season 2. And I got no real opinion on Harvey, but get what she's saying.
As a straight male, i can't comment on which male character i'd go for. But I did ask my wife her opinion and she said John and Oz were the … moremost appealing to her. Or more specifically, Oz's handsome and John's funny which she likes and she likes his green hair. She didn't comment on Bruce, but was down on Harvey. Said his neck was too thick.
As a straight male, i can't comment on which male character i'd go for. But I did ask my wife her opinion and she said John and Oz were the … moremost appealing to her. Or more specifically, Oz's handsome and John's funny which she likes and she likes his green hair. She didn't comment on Bruce, but was down on Harvey. Said his neck was too thick.
Some people like that strung-out-singer look. A lot of people actually. I had that look and even I was baffled by it. "Really? 80% of the male population could wipe the floor with me and you think I'm attractive?"
It's not a bad look at all. It's the scruff that really pulls you in. That bad-boy vibe. The look that says 'yeah... don't mess with this!' And your all 'whoa, tiger, easy!' I mean, yeah, the illusion is shattered the moment his bluff is called and the guy takes a beating but by then you got an attachment anyways. So, you know... win-win. lol.
Some people like that strung-out-singer look. A lot of people actually. I had that look and even I was baffled by it. "Really? 80% of the male population could wipe the floor with me and you think I'm attractive?"
I like the scruff on Oz, so I'd have to agree with her on that one. John is too much like a kid to me. I'd say I'd be more inclined to go fo… morer it with his season 1 character. I even preferred his season 1 look for some reason, despite that the graphics are better in season 2. And I got no real opinion on Harvey, but get what she's saying.
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It's not the same thing. And besides that my interest in the pairing isn't because of gay romance. Like I said a few comments above. You should ship a pairing because you like the idea of two specific characters being together. Not because you want them to be a certain sexuality. And really? Is it that important to you to go out of your way to try to turn the thread into a joke?
I'm all for options. The more optons the better, but if it's the same as with Kate from ANF then hard NO for me
Being together as into relationship?! Hmmm, they are already in a friendship so assuming being in a sexual relationship, that means gay as long both genders are male.
Oh, I get it now, you mean bromance xD!
Soooo, why so serious? 
Is about Joker and making a joke into a thread about Joker well let's say I do honour Joker
YESSS. I'm all for an option for Bruce to romance John lmao. The bond between the two characters is already there, and from what I've seen in my play through, John has some sort of feelings towards Bruce already. As much as I hope for this to happen, I doubt it will, but hey, maybe Telltale will surprise us?
You can't expect every person to take this seriously. But that goes for every thread. I'm sure that a lot of people are legitimately on telltale forums just to have fun. That's why I joined up.
"You should ship a pairing because you like the idea of two specific characters being together. Not because you want them to be a certain sexuality."
So the sexuality the characters already have doesn't matter? or you feel entitled to tell everyone that they should be bisexual?
You are way out of line. Shipping characters is a thing in every fandom, weird you only just now found out about it.
There is a difference in making your own fanfiction with Bruce and John kissing than actually adding the option to the game.
This thread literally is about adding the John Doe romance option in the game. Nobody is telling anyone what sexuality they should be, that was ridiculous. Characters and their backstories and everything else gets changed all the time. This would be no different than changing any other detail. Besides it would be optional anyway so it shouldn't anger anyone that much.
You just can't add a romance for the sake of fandom, I want to see Jim Gordon and Bruce Wayne together or even some harem level, and believe me is never the point of their sexuality is point where those things should not be touch, I don't think a gay or bisexual whatever you desire would make a sense
"Batman, the Dark Knight has never had a leading partner and instead, he has been constantly switching interests when it comes to romance. This is due to the nature of the Batman character, who cannot maintain a serious relationship with a woman as a result of his obsession with his crusade against crime. On the other hand, Bruce Wayne, Batman's alter-ego, has managed to have a few relationships with ladies of his interest, but they always come to a rather abrupt end, because of the lack of trust and constant absence shown by Wayne, which has earned him the reputation as a notorious playboy."
sure it can happen in the telltale story but most likely that is doubtful, DC Comics wouldn't want their most iconical character to be reminded as a bisexual one. Batman wouldn't be the one difficult figure we've grown to know.
DC Comics has never indicated Batman to be gay or bisexual
You all LGBT raging fans please try to follow a blank narrative
Plus his whole Batman psychology denin him of having romance, especially between the same gender
Batzy, Batzy you don't get the Joker
Kaelthas' point was more toward the fact that AgentZ46 said 'you should ship a pairing because you like the idea of two specific characters being together. Not because you want them to be a certain sexuality.' He didn't say 'I think you should' he said, 'you should.'
That can be interpreted as someone telling you how you should feel about a subject. Which no one has the right to tell someone they should think a certain way. You don't have to agree with them, but neither them with you.
Optional doesn't mean it won't affect the story. Selina and Bruce's relationship often feels like a romance even if you didn't romance her. The last thing I want is to feel like I romanced John. ...Maybe Gordon. If I had to pick. I'm liking his mustache.
NO just NO.
He pulls some really ugly ass faces to the point that I think him and Harley getting together is impossible. Would Bruce or Harley kiss this face? NO:
I romanced her in season 1 so I don't know what the other route looks like.. but in season 2 I haven't felt like I've romanced her since I decided to be friends, more that she was willing.
I would trust TT to be able to handle it so that it wouldn't make those who don't want it uncomfortable.
Otherwise I get what you're saying.. The option could only come up when you've picked just the right dialogue options before, so that there could be no way you'd accidentally get there. Sure it would be a daring move from TT, but it's fun to play with the thought.
Gordon and his mustache is getting a lot of love! I can get behind that.
It would be as optional as Javi being bisexual in Walking dead New Frontier because of just one single flirt at the very ending of the game, and even if you don't pick that option, Javi is bisexual. This is not some sort of "you decide the sexuality of your Batman", Batman is straight, the option being there would mean Bruce is bisexual and has the option to romance Selina, or John, or no one.
Why it shouldn't anger anyone? You're deleting the sexuality of a character for everyone, but there is already some weird double standard in society about changing the sexuality of straight characters under the excuse "there are already other straight characters", I bet this thread wouldn't be so peaceful if Bruce was already gay and someone was asking to be able to have the option to romance Catwoman.
At first when I saw this topic I thought it was for fun, but if you expect serious response, here it is…
There is a few things that I would NOT want to see happening in this game and this one is on top of that list. I can't think about worse idea to kill the enjoyment that I get from this game.
There is plenty of games where you can build your character from scratch and where it is you who decide whom your character should romance, but this is not one of those games. We play as Bruce Wayne - character that is ‘alive’ in all kind of media for years. Things change, writers change, but fundaments of this character stays the same and should not be changed. The only romances we ever saw that Bruce has gotten into were with women. In parallel dimension (Earth Two) he was even married and had a child. You can’t redefine someone’s sexuality only because you think it would be fun – it is just ridiculous. He was created as a straight white male character and it should not be changed. It is the same as although I am woman I would never want Bruce be replaced by a woman (not talking about his successors or protegees, but about ‘retconning the canon’ to replace Batman with Batwoman).
When you play a predefined character you have to accept that there are some boundaries in which you can make your choices.
One of the reasons why I like this game so much is the fact that this is a new take on Batman but with respect for the legacy in its core – even if we discover the ‘shocking fact’ that Thomas Wayne was not who we thought he was, Bruce’s motivations and personality stays the same in its fundaments. And I do not want it to change. That’s why I would also don’t want to play Bruce who would be friends with the murderers and psychopaths – working undercover, yes, but for the greater good to protect innocent people and stopping the dangerous ones. He needs to stay true to the origins of Batman.
I don't think the point here was trying to change people's opinions. People disagree, it's fine. I thought there could be discussion about the romance option to those who would like it, but that seems impossible around here. Not surprised. Peace
But the question in the topic says 'How would you feel about...', so there should be no surprise that people in their posts are answering this question by saying what they think about it.
Damn, those are some good points.
There's indeed a double standard. Many are those who are actively trying to change characters sexuality in order to stay true to a certain representation they have of themselves as an heroic defender of minorities. Straight people are shipped all the time with people of the same sex; yet I have seen people getting upset over a gay or so called gay character being shipped with the opposite sex. There's a flaw in their reasoning, it's incoherant, dishonest and truly, it irritates me.
Potraying a character with X characteristic to please either a part of the audience or fitting a certain politic agenda without actually taking the time to create good stories seems to be something Marvel comics have been called out for recently. I am not saying it's what they do, I don't read Marvel comics. I am just saying that if it's true, I understand the frustration.
However, Telltale is a non-canon game which already changed some of the most important characteristics of some of the most iconic characters of the Batman franchise. In fact, changing defining characteristics while still making their characters recognizable is what they seem to aim for : Starting with an attractive yet poor Oswald Cobblepot, a Harvey with the entirety of his face, but most importantly introducing Thomas Wayne as a criminal thus altering something fundamental in Bruce/Batman story line that seems to keep coming up in the game, an Harleen who've become Harley without the influence of the Joker, and John simply being John.
I can't possibly see how changing Bruce sexuality would even matter at this point. Is it really where you decide to put your boundary ? Especially since it's not ''just to make him bisexual'' ( Idc about that ) but to allow an unique yet fitting take on Batjokes usual tragic, psychological and philosophical dynamic. It's all about potraying the ''love'' they already share in a more literal way... which some writers already started doing.
Telltale has changed things rather successfully thus far, they are aiming to change more from what I have seen. They've already angered people doing so, making Batjokes an option will certainly give them some kind of publicity... why not ? Batman fans are already aware almost every Joker has some kind of love for Batman. the feedback won't be all positive but people will talk about it... I say it's worth it. People definitly value audacity when it's well handled.
Fun fact, the original Joker was said homosexual by the one who pretends to be the one who created him. Now didn't Telltale ''change things'' and ''changed a character's sexuality'' by making him ''fall in love'' with Harley ?
Batman - White Knight ( 2017 )
Batman - Death of the family by Snyder and Greg Capullo ( 2013 )
Batman - Europa ( 2014 )
Batman - Endgame by Snyder and Greg Capullo
Outsiders #3 "Roll Call Part 3: Joke's on You"
Instead of Batman ?
Now I am just pointing out the obvious : There are more important change in making Joker in love with Harley ( for both characters ) than there would be if Bruce and John actually were in a relationship that wouldn't even last long ( for both characters ). With the former they've changed the entire dynamic, with the later they would 1. change Bruce sexuality, 2. merely make Batman's love for the Joker more literal.
Technically Batman and Joker relationship is already changed in Telltale.
Unnecessary Bonus, for your eyes only : Joker grabbing Batman's balls sack by Greg Capullo
Sorry for the wall of text and images... but I kind of had to. This thread has turned into something very sad with dramatic and superficial answers. It was predictable, but unfortunate still given there's room to actually discuss seriously about it. You actually brought up good points so I got a little excited.
What?
I said 'could be' and not being surprised that it seems impossible. Don't twist my words, please.
I do not intent to twist your words by any means. I just interpreted your post like if you expected that this topic would be 'a place' for discussion for people who support ideas from the original post, when the fact is that the question placed in the title of this thread explicitly asks people about they opinion on given subject, so it is obvious that there will be different opinions from different people - not only 'one side of barricade' discussing what they like the most about it, but also people who will say that they would not want to see it happening at all.
Let's please try to avoid personally charged attacks like that. Thanks.
Superficial answers are as valid as any.
For me, the thought of John and Bruce hooking up is cringe-worthy. But frankly, so is what you've shown.
Don't get me wrong, you have good points and I get what your saying. However, Joker has always been creepy to me from telltales version to comics or movies and I'll still shudder and gag at the idea of romancing him.
If you want a reason that's less superficial I'd say based on the fact that John acts like a man-child that it shouldn't happen. Bruce seems a tad-bit too mature for John. Even when he's running around in a costume.
This version of Joker acts like a kid and Bruce a grown man. It'd be weird. And anytime Bruce does indulge in Jokers childish antics, like the high five or the pinky swear, it doesn't appear genuine. Not to me, anyways. It looks very fake, as if he's doing it just to get closer to the pact. Of course, not everyone is going to see it the way I see it. But I don't even think Harley flirts with John for that reason. I haven't really seen her make a move on him like she has with Bruce and she tends to treat John like he's a little lost puppy. John even shows he's frustrated that she doesn't see him as her equal.
Right? What he describes has dysfunctional relationship written all over it. I think I need to read Wuthering Heights again, but that's an example of dysfunctional relationship that I think people, myself included when I was younger, romanticize. I think both Harley and John have shades of Heathcliff in them.
Okay, so on one hand, what you said is true. On the other, John is Harley obsessed and outright tells Bruce that he is not in love with him. It's possible, I suppose, that John might have a crush on Bats.
I mean this would be a cool option for those who would like it, but I just can't see Bruce"swinging for the other team" in this universe if the joker happens to really have some feelings for Bruce I dont see an issue in Bruce flirting with him to stay on his good side but anything more than that I can't see happening.this is just my humble opinion ☺
I probably should've worded that better. I didn't mean it like that. Tigerius was making it sound like I only want this as an option just for the hell of having a gay romance, and I was trying to make a point, that that's not the case. I wasn't trying to tell people what to think.
My bad for the misinterpretation. Thank you for clarifying.
Sorry but from my point of view it does look like you try to pair two male together, wait you said it above xD. Can't just a friendship be more than enough, especially when we're talking about Joker
the main antagonist in every batman stories?!
They are indeed two males but that's not why I like the pair. I just think it'd work, add some interesting elements to the story and would be a great option for people who want it.
I'm too shallow to want this. John is just not very attractive. Neither was Oz. But Harvey, before the whole debate scene and potential facial scarring episode, was handsome. Meh. Plus, I didn't find John charming so much as just awkward. Elijah Wood is charming.
Same, too shallow. I wouldn't go for Harvey though. But if Bruce got like a tall mirror and married himself, I'd be down for that. lol, the guy is some serious eye-candy as far as games go.
As a straight male, i can't comment on which male character i'd go for. But I did ask my wife her opinion and she said John and Oz were the most appealing to her. Or more specifically, Oz's handsome and John's funny which she likes and she likes his green hair. She didn't comment on Bruce, but was down on Harvey. Said his neck was too thick.
I like the scruff on Oz, so I'd have to agree with her on that one. John is too much like a kid to me. I'd say I'd be more inclined to go for it with his season 1 character. I even preferred his season 1 look for some reason, despite that the graphics are better in season 2. And I got no real opinion on Harvey, but get what she's saying.
Yeah as I guy I found Oz to be pretty fuckin good looking.
Well, its hard to disagree and I think its quite easy to say that Penguin is the best looking male character in the game (games)
whhhaaaatttttttt? Come on, what about Bruce? ...He's got... like the face. The face made of gorgeous!
Some people like that strung-out-singer look. A lot of people actually. I had that look and even I was baffled by it. "Really? 80% of the male population could wipe the floor with me and you think I'm attractive?"
It's not a bad look at all. It's the scruff that really pulls you in. That bad-boy vibe. The look that says 'yeah... don't mess with this!' And your all 'whoa, tiger, easy!' I mean, yeah, the illusion is shattered the moment his bluff is called and the guy takes a beating but by then you got an attachment anyways. So, you know... win-win. lol.
Me too, re Bruce's season one appearance vs season two appearance. I dunno. He just seemed more handsome in season one.