I don't want to stop him, I approve his decision to go after agency, I'm just worried he's gonna kill a bunch of innocent ppl along.
When h… moree'll force Batman and everyone else to put him down one way or another.
But I was thinking, for now first step of his transformation was triggered by our trust or distrust.
BUT. We didn't do all those violent/non violent choices for nothing, right? Willie, Bullock, etc.
I think based on our decisons, in the 5 episode he might split again on 4 versions, violent or non violent villain/vigilante.
I have some hope for non violent vigilante. If it works, might be actually something new. Better than Jokester for sure. =/ At least, I hope so.
I like the sound of this, I was thinking too that if he doesn't kill then we wouldn't be forced to take him down. This would mean that him watching how we've done things would actually matter.. would be awesome.
Are we sure people died? Well.. I would give him a chance.
I don't want to stop him, I approve his decision to go after agency, I'm just worried he's gonna kill a bunch of innocent ppl along.
When h… moree'll force Batman and everyone else to put him down one way or another.
But I was thinking, for now first step of his transformation was triggered by our trust or distrust.
BUT. We didn't do all those violent/non violent choices for nothing, right? Willie, Bullock, etc.
I think based on our decisons, in the 5 episode he might split again on 4 versions, violent or non violent villain/vigilante.
I have some hope for non violent vigilante. If it works, might be actually something new. Better than Jokester for sure. =/ At least, I hope so.
Nah, I'm talking about civilians here. The bridge had cops and agents on it, and agents did attack him. His response was stupid and reckless, and he put even us in danger, but it was not unexpected. If he kills an old lady or some bystander- now that's a war.
Don't get me wrong - those cops and agents WERE innocent. Waller is the one to blame. But for John they're baddies. If he starts to kill bystanders, like Harvey, than it's over. But right now I see an opportunity to reason with him.
I like the sound of this, I was thinking too that if he doesn't kill then we wouldn't be forced to take him down. This would mean that him w… moreatching how we've done things would actually matter.. would be awesome.
Are we sure people died? Well.. I would give him a chance.
The cops aren't his enemy, just the agency. And I'm pretty sure there were innocent bystanders on that bridge. Its why it was so devastating when he went through it as a villain. I'm actually surprised that when he's a villain he blows up the bridge and chunks start falling from above and that doesn't happen when he's a vigilante. It kinda made me laugh that the explosions were so different. A bit odd.
Nah, I'm talking about civilians here. The bridge had cops and agents on it, and agents did attack him. His response was stupid and reckless… more, and he put even us in danger, but it was not unexpected. If he kills an old lady or some bystander- now that's a war.
Don't get me wrong - those cops and agents WERE innocent. Waller is the one to blame. But for John they're baddies. If he starts to kill bystanders, like Harvey, than it's over. But right now I see an opportunity to reason with him.
I really don't get this. John is a murderer and a psychopath. In both endings. He deserves life prison. I fail to see how you can feel sorry… more for him and wish for him to remain free when you have looked at the bodies of the people he murdered. Not as sorry for them?
Tell it to him, to him everyone who points a gun at him is bad, and he has a point at the moment, you know, because cops will shoot him.) The guy lived all his live in insane Asylum, you expect him to react well to someone trying to kill him after he did something he's considering "good"?)
No, I don't have the same impression about bystanders in vigilante ending, I don't think anybody but cops gets hurt. But we'll see in episode 5 if thats true or not. =D
TT aren't magicians, thats why the explosions were so different, I think... A lot of things were pretty naive in this episode, including Waller's recklesness. I mean, the reason to point a gun at John in front of Bruce if it's obvious, Bruce can talk John into giving the vial to him? Pretty stupid move.
And also I think the explosions in vigilante ending were less destructive because in villain John did bring a lot of C4 with him on purpose.
The cops aren't his enemy, just the agency. And I'm pretty sure there were innocent bystanders on that bridge. Its why it was so devastating… more when he went through it as a villain. I'm actually surprised that when he's a villain he blows up the bridge and chunks start falling from above and that doesn't happen when he's a vigilante. It kinda made me laugh that the explosions were so different. A bit odd.
Well in the Villain ending You had a choice to save either an Agent, Police Officer or a Civillian, so yea, there definately were some bystanders. Although this scene doesn't happen in the vigilante ending, so there, John probably killed only the cops and agents, but still, a life taken is a life taken, perhaps these agents had families, people to mourn them. How can anyone say that it's ok for John to kill them, just because Waller and the agency had bad intentions from the very begining? How is this a fault of these particular agents? Would You still say the same if Avesta was one of them?
The cops aren't his enemy, just the agency. And I'm pretty sure there were innocent bystanders on that bridge. Its why it was so devastating… more when he went through it as a villain. I'm actually surprised that when he's a villain he blows up the bridge and chunks start falling from above and that doesn't happen when he's a vigilante. It kinda made me laugh that the explosions were so different. A bit odd.
Well in the Villain ending You had a choice to save either an Agent, Police Officer or a Civillian, so yea, there definately were some bysta… morenders. Although this scene doesn't happen in the vigilante ending, so there, John probably killed only the cops and agents, but still, a life taken is a life taken, perhaps these agents had families, people to mourn them. How can anyone say that it's ok for John to kill them, just because Waller and the agency had bad intentions from the very begining? How is this a fault of these particular agents? Would You still say the same if Avesta was one of them?
Haven't even watched the villain ending yet.. So even the explosions were different, I don't think that's a mistake. Let me keep my buddy John, I love him! But yeah I really do see a chance now more than ever, I was really surprised by ep 4, maybe that'll happen again.
Villain ending looks cool, watch it on youtube. I think I maybe like it more from the narrative point of view. Vigilante looked a bit unrealistic and some characters were behaving stupid.
Haven't even watched the villain ending yet.. So even the explosions were different, I don't think that's a mistake. Let me keep my buddy Jo… morehn, I love him! But yeah I really do see a chance now more than ever, I was really surprised by ep 4, maybe that'll happen again.
Tell it to him, to him everyone who points a gun at him is bad, and he has a point at the moment, you know, because cops will shoot him.) Th… moree guy lived all his live in insane Asylum, you expect him to react well to someone trying to kill him after he did something he's considering "good"?)
No, I don't have the same impression about bystanders in vigilante ending, I don't think anybody but cops gets hurt. But we'll see in episode 5 if thats true or not. =D
TT aren't magicians, thats why the explosions were so different, I think... A lot of things were pretty naive in this episode, including Waller's recklesness. I mean, the reason to point a gun at John in front of Bruce if it's obvious, Bruce can talk John into giving the vial to him? Pretty stupid move.
And also I think the explosions in vigilante ending were less destructive because in villain John did bring a lot of C4 with him on purpose.
I more meant that in John's head its only the agency that is the problem, not the cops. But I guess he wouldn't know the difference? I'm definitely not saying its okay that he's killing people in the agency. However I will say that the agency does need to be dealt with, particularly Waller. It's clear she is as much a villain as any and needs to be locked up.
Well in the Villain ending You had a choice to save either an Agent, Police Officer or a Civillian, so yea, there definately were some bysta… morenders. Although this scene doesn't happen in the vigilante ending, so there, John probably killed only the cops and agents, but still, a life taken is a life taken, perhaps these agents had families, people to mourn them. How can anyone say that it's ok for John to kill them, just because Waller and the agency had bad intentions from the very begining? How is this a fault of these particular agents? Would You still say the same if Avesta was one of them?
The thing is, he’s a deeply conflicted human being. Part of him is sick, vicious, sadistic, pure and sheer madness. The other, however, strives to find someone who loves him unconditionally, who could bring him out of the darkness deep inside himself. In the whole season, you can see Harley nurturing his darkness, and Bruce his brighter side. Playing as Bruce, I feel his desperation to find his identity, and seeing his genuine, not manipulative, admiration and affection for me, I naturally want to encourage his good side, to keep him away from his worst, contrary to Harley. The end of ep 4 proves that John is very receptive to Bruce’s influence, and as the codex states, had it not been for Waller, everything would have been just fine. That’s why I don’t want to give up on him, and hope to have a chance to redeem him. Although I’m aware that’s a rather long shot, and that we will have to stop him.
I really don't get this. John is a murderer and a psychopath. In both endings. He deserves life prison. I fail to see how you can feel sorry… more for him and wish for him to remain free when you have looked at the bodies of the people he murdered. Not as sorry for them?
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I think all those hopes of sailed considering he blew up the bridge that had innocent people on it.
I like the sound of this, I was thinking too that if he doesn't kill then we wouldn't be forced to take him down. This would mean that him watching how we've done things would actually matter.. would be awesome.
Are we sure people died? Well.. I would give him a chance.
Nah, I'm talking about civilians here. The bridge had cops and agents on it, and agents did attack him. His response was stupid and reckless, and he put even us in danger, but it was not unexpected. If he kills an old lady or some bystander- now that's a war.
Don't get me wrong - those cops and agents WERE innocent. Waller is the one to blame. But for John they're baddies. If he starts to kill bystanders, like Harvey, than it's over. But right now I see an opportunity to reason with him.
I'm actually not sure if someone died. In the villain ending they DID die indeed, but in vigilante I have an impression they didn't.
The cops aren't his enemy, just the agency. And I'm pretty sure there were innocent bystanders on that bridge. Its why it was so devastating when he went through it as a villain. I'm actually surprised that when he's a villain he blows up the bridge and chunks start falling from above and that doesn't happen when he's a vigilante. It kinda made me laugh that the explosions were so different. A bit odd.
In the vigilante ending I fully understand his actions. In the villain ending, it's Batman who's responsible for his downfall.
Tell it to him, to him everyone who points a gun at him is bad, and he has a point at the moment, you know, because cops will shoot him.) The guy lived all his live in insane Asylum, you expect him to react well to someone trying to kill him after he did something he's considering "good"?)
No, I don't have the same impression about bystanders in vigilante ending, I don't think anybody but cops gets hurt. But we'll see in episode 5 if thats true or not. =D
TT aren't magicians, thats why the explosions were so different, I think... A lot of things were pretty naive in this episode, including Waller's recklesness. I mean, the reason to point a gun at John in front of Bruce if it's obvious, Bruce can talk John into giving the vial to him? Pretty stupid move.
And also I think the explosions in vigilante ending were less destructive because in villain John did bring a lot of C4 with him on purpose.
Well in the Villain ending You had a choice to save either an Agent, Police Officer or a Civillian, so yea, there definately were some bystanders. Although this scene doesn't happen in the vigilante ending, so there, John probably killed only the cops and agents, but still, a life taken is a life taken, perhaps these agents had families, people to mourn them. How can anyone say that it's ok for John to kill them, just because Waller and the agency had bad intentions from the very begining? How is this a fault of these particular agents? Would You still say the same if Avesta was one of them?
Nobody saying it's ok.)
Haven't even watched the villain ending yet.. So even the explosions were different, I don't think that's a mistake. Let me keep my buddy John, I love him! But yeah I really do see a chance now more than ever, I was really surprised by ep 4, maybe that'll happen again.
Villain ending looks cool, watch it on youtube. I think I maybe like it more from the narrative point of view. Vigilante looked a bit unrealistic and some characters were behaving stupid.
Okay. If he did do that, that would explain the difference in explosions.
I more meant that in John's head its only the agency that is the problem, not the cops. But I guess he wouldn't know the difference? I'm definitely not saying its okay that he's killing people in the agency. However I will say that the agency does need to be dealt with, particularly Waller. It's clear she is as much a villain as any and needs to be locked up.
The thing is, he’s a deeply conflicted human being. Part of him is sick, vicious, sadistic, pure and sheer madness. The other, however, strives to find someone who loves him unconditionally, who could bring him out of the darkness deep inside himself. In the whole season, you can see Harley nurturing his darkness, and Bruce his brighter side. Playing as Bruce, I feel his desperation to find his identity, and seeing his genuine, not manipulative, admiration and affection for me, I naturally want to encourage his good side, to keep him away from his worst, contrary to Harley. The end of ep 4 proves that John is very receptive to Bruce’s influence, and as the codex states, had it not been for Waller, everything would have been just fine. That’s why I don’t want to give up on him, and hope to have a chance to redeem him. Although I’m aware that’s a rather long shot, and that we will have to stop him.