Kenny was just mad over the fact that Jane had her masters degree in Coolology, and that he'd never be able to get on her level. If you ask … moreme,Kenny was cool in Season 1, but as soon as we got to season 2, I thought "Woah Kenny, you've fallen short from my expectations".
It always should have been Kenny vs Luke.
Kenny- Survival at any cost humanity is weakness
Luke- if we're not living why bother surviving.… more
Pragmatism vs Compassion.
Instead it came down to Which is more important Clementine or AJ
Kenny saw AJ as duck two. So Clementine could go die for all he cared.
Jane saw Clementine as a potential replacement little sister( or more) and AJ as a burden
And ultimately neither mattered.
"I've watched the playbacks many times and I didn't see any issues between the two until Jane and Luke slept with each other. But that shouldn't have been a problem. She left the group, but then returned and saved the group in the process. Telltale never showed Jane and Kenny arguing like Kenny and Luke had been. So when Kenny says, "I don't trust that girl" and " A girl like Jane doesn't have respect" I don't see the reason.
Please let me know if I'm missing anything." -Torridd
Luke was supposed to be on watch from any oncoming walkers while Kenny tended to a pregnant and in labor, Rebecca. When Mike and Bonnie returns, Mike even says how did the walkers get so close without anyone noticing.
Because of Luke's poor timing with Jane, that put the rest of the group in danger and could have easily ended up worse. That is why Kenny doesn't like Jane because he already picked up on her selfishness. Jane looks out for Jane and really isn't a team player.
Two reasons why Jane returned. Mostly, to take Clementine away from the group to have to herself like having the little sister that actually wanted to survive.That way she wouldn't be so lonely anymore. And a very small part because of Luke. Her reasons were not for the well-being of the group but Clementine.
Jane has also made it known how she sees Rebecca, AJ, Sarah and Kenny as being a detriment to the overall survival of the group. Yeah, she was right but at what cost to abandon the ones that helped Clementine to survive? And spoiler alert.
During a flashback in S3 if the player chose to go with Jane, she finds out she's pregnant with Luke's baby and decides to commit suicide. Leaving Clementine all alone to fend for not only herself but AJ as well. Not to mention, she didn't even give herself or the child a chance unlike Rebecca and AJ.
At least, with Kenny he kept on protecting Clementine and AJ the best he could until the car crash left him paralyzed from the waist down and Clem had no choice but to grab AJ and run.
Kenny values loyalty above all. Jane is mostly loyal only to herself. That's why he doesn't like her. That's why he can determinantly hate Lee's guts if he's not loyal to him at all times.
Jane proves he was right about her post-humously when she ends up abandoning Clem and AJ anyway after only a few months via suicide. Ken's the type who might be feeling completely depressed, but would still find some way to stick around for the people he feels he owes loyalty to. He does need some sense knocked into him whenever he goes through something traumatic, though.
Interestingly enough, there's even an old text image further suggesting that No Going Back was initially being programmed along the premise of siding with either Luke or Kenny throughout the episode, with a note at the bottom mentioning Jane was being considered for further development.
I have slight reason to doubt that was the exact reason, as Misters Petty and Stirpe were clearly directed to write(and advertise) Amid the … moreRuins in a way that sets the stage for the final conflict between Luke and Kenny, even with Jane's sudden spotlight hogging being the main focus.
Interestingly enough, there's even an old text image further suggesting that No Going Back was initially being programmed along the premise of siding with either Luke or Kenny throughout the episode, with a note at the bottom mentioning Jane was being considered for further development.
Whatever her reasons were, it was still stupid on her part why would would you try to start shit with someone you know is crazy? Your just asking to get a knife in the heart
Whatever her reasons were, it was still stupid on her part why would would you try to start shit with someone you know is crazy? Your just asking to get a knife in the heart
Because Jane was to stupid, to know not to mess with someone they know is crazy. I don't see how that answers my question. As a matter of fact, your post makes Jane appear dumber because she would do something like that. But an eleven year old would know not to mess with the crazy man.
Once again: she did it on purpose meaning she knew what would happen. An eleven year old would know not to mess with a reckless man because there is enough evidence to say that he is not as stable as he used to be. In other words, find someone who does not treat you as if you are walking on egg shells.
Because Jane was to stupid, to know not to mess with someone they know is crazy. I don't see how that answers my question. As a matter of f… moreact, your post makes Jane appear dumber because she would do something like that. But an eleven year old would know not to mess with the crazy man.
Once again: she did it on purpose meaning she knew what would happen. An eleven year old would know not to mess with a reckless man because … morethere is enough evidence to say that he is not as stable as he used to be. In other words, find someone who does not treat you as if you are walking on egg shells.
I don't like this idea, that the whole Kenny vs Jane thing that went down in episode five started because Jane was protecting Clementine. There is no evidence that even supports that kenny would have hurt Clementine. The main reason why Jane did it, is because Clementine reminds Jane of her sister. Janes motives were done out of purely selfish reasons, leaving a baby in a car in the middle of a storm. I feel like Jane could have handled that situation better, her being the sane and level headed one.
unfortunately she didn't that why she got stabbed.
He wasn't fit to look after Clem and AJ. Hell, old dog couldn't even protect his own damn son and he was supposed to look after those 2 kids????? Now Jane, there's the woman you want babysitting your kids. Her motherly instincts would've kicked in soon enough had it not been for her crippling depression.
You did pay attention to the Episode right?
The so-called babysitter put a baby in danger for her own agenda and left her sister to die. Her motherly instinct kicked in Season 3 and she killed herself, leaving a 12-year-old alone with a baby after denying them safe haven.
He wasn't fit to look after Clem and AJ. Hell, old dog couldn't even protect his own damn son and he was supposed to look after those 2 kids… more????? Now Jane, there's the woman you want babysitting your kids. Her motherly instincts would've kicked in soon enough had it not been for her crippling depression.
"Her own agenda" as in proving Kenny was controlling and dangerous to the group? He wouldn't let anyone have a say in anything. To Kenny, his was the only way. Whenever someone tried to tell him anything, he'd completely disregard what they said. Carlos, someone who clearly knew Carver better than Kenny, told him to sit down and not fight back, because there'd be serious consequences. What did he do? He completely ignored Carlos' warning, and tried to untie himself so he could punch the first "son of a bitch" he saw and then punch the next person. Also, there was no guarantee Wellington was a sure thing. Jane said they should go back to Howe's, as everything they needed was already there, but he persisted, and drove everyone into the cold without knowing whether or not Wellington was real. What if Wellington didn't exist? He would've doomed them all by driving them way out into the middle of nowhere on fumes, without any way of getting back. You think AJ, a newborn, would've been able to survive that?
left her sister to die
What was she to do? Die with her sister? No one can make anyone do anything. She tried and her sister wouldn't bend, so she left her, and she was right to do so.
She killed herself, leaving a 12-year-old alone with a baby after denying them safe haven.
Wellington got attacked and overrun. Many people including Edith died. What safe haven did she deny them?? Howe's was safer than any place they could've gone. It already had the sustenance needed to keep both her and AJ fed for a great while.
He wasn't fit to look after Clem and AJ. Hell, old dog couldn't even protect his own damn son and he was supposed to look after those 2 kids… more????? Now Jane, there's the woman you want babysitting your kids. Her motherly instincts would've kicked in soon enough had it not been for her crippling depression.
You did pay attention to the Episode right?
The so-called babysitter put a baby in danger for her own agenda and left her sister to die. Her motherly instinct kicked in Season 3 and she killed herself, leaving a 12-year-old alone with a baby after denying them safe haven.
"Her own agenda" as in proving Kenny was controlling and dangerous to the group?
By putting a baby in danger to prove it, creating a situation out of nothing, do you not see how messed up that is? she proved that she was the one that is dangerous and unstable, not Kenny. If Kenny put a baby in danger to kill someone, would you be saying the same thing as you are with Jane? you'd be calling him a cowardly lunatic but trying to find reasons for Jane. Besides, she wasn't trying to prove anything, she wanted to get rid of Kenny and she put a baby's life at risk to achieve this just so she can have Clem for herself as she sees her as a replacement for her sister.
He wouldn't let anyone have a say in anything. To Kenny, his was the only way. Whenever someone tried to tell him anything, he'd completely disregard what they said. Carlos, someone who clearly knew Carver better than Kenny, told him to sit down and not fight back, because there'd be serious consequences. What did he do? He completely ignored Carlos' warning, and tried to untie himself so he could punch the first "son of a bitch" he saw and then punch the next person.
Name an example? The group didn't even know what to do themselves, they all went to Kenny who was minding his own business, dragged him in, listen to his advice and then bitched days later. Kenny was living peacefully at the lodge then he loses two friends, his home and is taken alive and you expect him to sit quietly, not many people would be calm, Carlos tried running away and he got caugh, only way was to fight back against Carver.
Also, there was no guarantee Wellington was a sure thing. Jane said they should go back to Howe's, as everything they needed was already there, but he persisted, and drove everyone into the cold without knowing whether or not Wellington was real. What if Wellington didn't exist? He would've doomed them all by driving them way out into the middle of nowhere on fumes, without any way of getting back. You think AJ, a newborn, would've been able to survive that?
There was no guarantee that the dead cleared out of Howe's either. And also, why did it take Jane and also Mike & Bonnie days to say something about their next destination? they didn't say anything, Kenny was the only one to suggest something and they all went along with it, don't forget the 3 idiots had different ideas on where to go with 2 suggesting Howe's and 1 suggesting Texas. The group was already doomed because they were stranded out in the open and had no idea where to go, AJ's chance was already slim, in the end, Kenny was right about Wellington while Jane, Mike & Bonnie screw you over.
What was she to do? Die with her sister? No one can make anyone do anything. She tried and her sister wouldn't bend, so she left her, and she was right to do so.
Her sister was scared out of her mind and Jane just left her like she wanted to do with Sarah, and yet you think this is the right person to watch over Clementine & AJ.
Wellington got attacked and overrun. Many people including Edith died. What safe haven did she deny them?? Howe's was safer than any place they could've gone. It already had the sustenance needed to keep both her and AJ fed for a great while.
She denied Clem a chance to live in a community amongst people that would've watched out for her and AJ behind safe walls, a community that had sustenance for her and a baby. Yeah, it got attacked and overrun but she spent 2 years there which is a whole lot better than spending few weeks at Howe's where their food gets stolen and ends up alone so how was that any better than Wellington? in the end, Kenny wanted to leave Clem & AJ in safe hands at Wellington even if it meant him staying out whereas Jane left her alone with a newborn. Season 3 showed that Kenny stuck with them for 2 years and died to protect Clem & AJ whereas Jane took a cowards way out and left her alone after a few weeks yet you think Jane was a lot better because your hatred for Kenny clouds your judgment. She was unstable and disturbed, putting a baby in danger and manipulates you into killing someone obviously shows this.
The so-called babysitter put a baby in danger
"Her own agenda" as in proving Kenny was controlling and dangerous to the group? He wo… moreuldn't let anyone have a say in anything. To Kenny, his was the only way. Whenever someone tried to tell him anything, he'd completely disregard what they said. Carlos, someone who clearly knew Carver better than Kenny, told him to sit down and not fight back, because there'd be serious consequences. What did he do? He completely ignored Carlos' warning, and tried to untie himself so he could punch the first "son of a bitch" he saw and then punch the next person. Also, there was no guarantee Wellington was a sure thing. Jane said they should go back to Howe's, as everything they needed was already there, but he persisted, and drove everyone into the cold without knowing whether or not Wellington was real. What if Wellington didn't exist? He would've doomed them all by driving them way out into the middl… [view original content]
Jane couldn’t take Kenny’s insanity, If it was insanity, but could be because of his past life and such. Kenny was angry at Jane because the way Jane treated him or some sort.
In the gamethrough you would always hear Jane say, “Kenny acting different be careful, do you trust him.” Etc etc. Basically Jane was trying to get Clementine to ‘let go’ of Kenny’s past and such.
Yeah, another aspect as to why can also be called a sociopath is that while she comes cold, rational, and even superficially winsome, she's actually quite fickle, reckless, and unstable when it really comes down to it.
If Jane saw me in SERIOUS trouble with walkers and knew that she could effortlessly get me to safety but instead chose to run away, I wouldn't blame her. Jane is always right, no matter what. I don't know when you guys will finally realise that.
If Jane really cared/loved you, she would give her life to save you.
Ps. Jane is not always right, just as Kenny or anyone else isn’t always right either.
This.
Thanks. On the imgur app it doesn’t show the html code to copy to be able to post here, but on the desktop version it does. Very annoying.
I know, right? Sometimes, you have to open up the image in a new tab and then do so again to get the proper URL code for it.
He was mad at Jane because Jane was the one who stole from or attacked Arvo. It all started with her fucking Luke while the group needed them to do their job so the baby could be born safely. Instead, Luke and Jane decided to fuck while putting lives in danger besides their own. I don't get why so many people overlook how fucked up that was for those two to choose to fuck around right then and there. Sure, Luke was likable, but he was immature and did some stupid shit at the wrong time. He was like a much older Ben, at times. Then Jane kept having that attitude once she returned, and talked shit to Kenny. Tried getting Clem to turn against him. It was clear, even though she did most of it behind his back. Besides, Jane ran off and then all of that crap happened. Kenny's one for loyalty; in his eyes she abandoned the group, returned after shit got real, and wanted to leave when it started getting real again. The last straw was what she did to AJ (or what he thought she did).
There was a comment in the thread saying that he didn't care about Clem, and saw AJ as a second Duck - wrong. Kenny knew Clem could handle just about as much as any of the adults could; he said something similar to that before. AJ is an infant that's in the freezing cold surrounded by a group that's falling apart, and the undead - his parents are gone, and this "crazy bitch" just lost him. Of course he was focused on beating the shit out of Jane. Kenny loved the fuck out of both Clem & AJ, regardless of how you feel about the character, that's a fact. You can hate on Kenny all you want, call him a raging dog, etc but the man really cared about those kids. Hell, I think it's unfair that some of the obvious Kenny traits in Clementine are shared with everyone - it should be exclusive to people who chose to stick with Kenny.
I agree with everything you said, and yeah Luke was a complete shitbird who gets a pass for some reason just for being kind. He was constantly making terrible decisions that put people at risk. Was complicit in locking an injured little girl in a shed, insisted that he and Clem go alone to the bridge which nearly got them both killed, wanted to hide Matthew's murder from the guy who fed and sheltered them, was totally shitty to Nick after Pete died and talked shit about him, ran away when Carver showed up, got caught stealing food in Howe's which resulted in Kenny getting savagely beaten, and like you said he fucked Jane instead of keeping watch which nearly screwed the entire group over.
He was mad at Jane because Jane was the one who stole from or attacked Arvo. It all started with her fucking Luke while the group needed the… morem to do their job so the baby could be born safely. Instead, Luke and Jane decided to fuck while putting lives in danger besides their own. I don't get why so many people overlook how fucked up that was for those two to choose to fuck around right then and there. Sure, Luke was likable, but he was immature and did some stupid shit at the wrong time. He was like a much older Ben, at times. Then Jane kept having that attitude once she returned, and talked shit to Kenny. Tried getting Clem to turn against him. It was clear, even though she did most of it behind his back. Besides, Jane ran off and then all of that crap happened. Kenny's one for loyalty; in his eyes she abandoned the group, returned after shit got real, and wanted to leave when it started getting real again. The last straw was what she did to … [view original content]
If Jane saw me in _SERIOUS _trouble with walkers and knew that she could effortlessly get me to safety but instead chose to run away, I wouldn't blame her. Jane is always right, no matter what. I don't know when you guys will finally realise that.
LOL What???!!!
So if Jane says you(as Clem) will be the next evil dictator and should kill yourself, you gonna put a gun to your head and pull the trigger since she is Mrs Right? would you take Mrs Right's word if she said Lee was a dangerous POS and needed to be put down despite you knowing him better? maybe she knows how the zombie plague started since she knows everything? were you OK with what Ben did in Season 1 when he ran and left Clem? your whole arguments have basically been one-sided If Jane does it, it's right, if Kenny does it, it's wrong. When are you gonna finally realize that Jane is a disturbed selfish woman that most people wouldn't trust and avoid a person like that in real life.
If Jane saw me in SERIOUS trouble with walkers and knew that she could effortlessly get me to safety but instead chose to run away, I wouldn't blame her. Jane is always right, no matter what. I don't know when you guys will finally realise that.
So if Jane says you(as Clem) will be the next evil dictator and should kill yourself, you gonna put a gun to your head and pull the trigger since she is Mrs Right?
That's a good question.
were you OK with what Ben did in Season 1 when he ran and left Clem?
I can't get mad at him for leaving her. It's his life. If he wants to protect it, who is anyone to say he's wrong for doing that?
When are you gonna finally realize that Jane is a disturbed selfish woman that most people wouldn't trust and avoid a person like that in real life.
She wasn't disturbed. And you think you can trust Kenny?
If Jane saw me in _SERIOUS _trouble with walkers and knew that she could effortlessly get me to safety but instead chose to run away, I woul… moredn't blame her. Jane is always right, no matter what. I don't know when you guys will finally realise that.
LOL What???!!!
So if Jane says you(as Clem) will be the next evil dictator and should kill yourself, you gonna put a gun to your head and pull the trigger since she is Mrs Right? would you take Mrs Right's word if she said Lee was a dangerous POS and needed to be put down despite you knowing him better? maybe she knows how the zombie plague started since she knows everything? were you OK with what Ben did in Season 1 when he ran and left Clem? your whole arguments have basically been one-sided If Jane does it, it's right, if Kenny does it, it's wrong. When are you gonna finally realize that Jane is a disturbed selfish woman that most people wouldn't trust and avoid a person like that in real life.
I wasn't going to reply because you wrote so much, but seeing as how it got 7 likes, I had to respond
Kenny was right about Wellington while Jane, Mike & Bonnie screw you over.
Jane was right about Howe's as well. The walkers were clear, and the food was still there
Her sister was scared out of her mind and Jane just left her like she wanted to do with Sarah, and yet you think this is the right person to watch over Clementine & AJ.
Sarah and her sister were fucking WEAK. Only the STRONG can survive the longest. And yeah, I think she was the right person to look after Clementine and AJ. Clem wasn't weak like Sarah or her sister. She would've made the perfect replacement.
which is a whole lot better than spending few weeks at Howe's where their food gets stolen
Oh yeah, that's right. That small family of 3 took EVERYTHING they had, kind of like how all of Wellington was taken from them, right?
you think Jane was a lot better because your hatred for Kenny clouds your judgment
My judgement isn't clouded by my hatred for Kenny. I honestly believe Jane was a lot better.
how was that any better than Wellington?
Any closer to the right and Clementine could've DIED. That's how Howe's was a lot better.
"Her own agenda" as in proving Kenny was controlling and dangerous to the group?
By putting a baby in danger to prove it, creating a… more situation out of nothing, do you not see how messed up that is? she proved that she was the one that is dangerous and unstable, not Kenny. If Kenny put a baby in danger to kill someone, would you be saying the same thing as you are with Jane? you'd be calling him a cowardly lunatic but trying to find reasons for Jane. Besides, she wasn't trying to prove anything, she wanted to get rid of Kenny and she put a baby's life at risk to achieve this just so she can have Clem for herself as she sees her as a replacement for her sister.
He wouldn't let anyone have a say in anything. To Kenny, his was the only way. Whenever someone tried to tell him anything, he'd completely disregard what they said. Carlos, someone who clearly knew Carver better than Kenny, told him to sit down and not fight back, because t… [view original content]
I can't get mad at him for leaving her. It's his life. If he wants to protect it, who is anyone to say he's wrong for doing that?
If Kenny had done that? would you have been so understanding?
She wasn't disturbed.
Putting babies in danger in a plan to kill someone isn't a sign of a normal sane person.
And you think you can trust Kenny?
Yes I can. Don't take my word for it, Season 3 already shows who you Clem was better off with.
Jane was right about Howe's as well. The walkers were clear, and the food was still there
But Howe's was still vulnerable and the food was stolen within weeks.
Sarah and her sister were fucking WEAK. Only the STRONG can survive the longest. And yeah, I think she was the right person to look after Clementine and AJ.
Just like 8-year-old Clementine was once weak, just like baby AJ is weak, by yours and Jane's logic, they don't deserve to be helped right? She brought them to Howe's and left them alone with no food in the middle of nowhere within weeks after taking them from a suitable guardian yet you still think she's the right person to look after them? I can see why you like Jane so much.
Oh yeah, that's right. That small family of 3 took EVERYTHING they had, kind of like how all of Wellington was taken from them, right?
A family of 3 robbed them within weeks where Clem is still little and had a newborn to care for which she had no idea how to look after whereas Wellington was raided by bandits after 2 years where Clem was a little older and more hardened as a survivor and has a better experience of looking after AJ.
My judgement isn't clouded by my hatred for Kenny. I honestly believe Jane was a lot better.
Because you hate Kenny and love Jane so much that you're agreeing to anything she does no matter how wrong she is.
Any closer to the right and Clementine could've DIED. That's how Howe's was a lot better.
So Howe's was better because Clem nearly died in a bandit raid at Wellington but you're making it seem like she had it easy and safe being alone with no food at Howe's. So what you're saying is it was better for a little girl being all alone with no food and with a newborn baby to care for out in the middle of nowhere where she was vulnerable to an attack by the dead & living than her being at a safe secure (for two years) community where she had a bed to sleep on, food for herself & AJ and people that could watch over her and communicate with? The only reason you're saying Howe's is better is because your beloved Jane chose it otherwise you'd be saying the same about Wellington if she chose that.
I wasn't going to reply because you wrote so much, but seeing as how it got 7 likes, I had to respond
Kenny was right about Wellingt… moreon while Jane, Mike & Bonnie screw you over.
Jane was right about Howe's as well. The walkers were clear, and the food was still there
Her sister was scared out of her mind and Jane just left her like she wanted to do with Sarah, and yet you think this is the right person to watch over Clementine & AJ.
Sarah and her sister were fucking WEAK. Only the STRONG can survive the longest. And yeah, I think she was the right person to look after Clementine and AJ. Clem wasn't weak like Sarah or her sister. She would've made the perfect replacement.
which is a whole lot better than spending few weeks at Howe's where their food gets stolen
Oh yeah, that's right. That small family of 3 took EVERYTHING they had, kind of like how all of Wellington was taken from them, right?… [view original content]
aj wasn't in danger and jane probably didn't know kenny was gonna go full psycho and try to murder her for literally no reason at all. like he didn't even see the corpse of aj or even try to ask what happened. he went straight to murder. like a psycho. because he was in fact a psycho.
I can't get mad at him for leaving her. It's his life. If he wants to protect it, who is anyone to say he's wrong for doing that?
If… more Kenny had done that? would you have been so understanding?
She wasn't disturbed.
Putting babies in danger in a plan to kill someone isn't a sign of a normal sane person.
And you think you can trust Kenny?
Yes I can. Don't take my word for it, Season 3 already shows who you Clem was better off with.
Jane was right about Howe's as well. The walkers were clear, and the food was still there
But Howe's was still vulnerable and the food was stolen within weeks.
Sarah and her sister were fucking WEAK. Only the STRONG can survive the longest. And yeah, I think she was the right person to look after Clementine and AJ.
Just like 8-year-old Clementine was once weak, just like baby AJ is weak, by yours and Jane's logic, they don't deserve to be helped right? Sh… [view original content]
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More like her degree in knotology am I right, gottem.
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Agreed
"I've watched the playbacks many times and I didn't see any issues between the two until Jane and Luke slept with each other. But that shouldn't have been a problem. She left the group, but then returned and saved the group in the process. Telltale never showed Jane and Kenny arguing like Kenny and Luke had been. So when Kenny says, "I don't trust that girl" and " A girl like Jane doesn't have respect" I don't see the reason.
Please let me know if I'm missing anything." -Torridd
Luke was supposed to be on watch from any oncoming walkers while Kenny tended to a pregnant and in labor, Rebecca. When Mike and Bonnie returns, Mike even says how did the walkers get so close without anyone noticing.
Because of Luke's poor timing with Jane, that put the rest of the group in danger and could have easily ended up worse. That is why Kenny doesn't like Jane because he already picked up on her selfishness. Jane looks out for Jane and really isn't a team player.
Two reasons why Jane returned. Mostly, to take Clementine away from the group to have to herself like having the little sister that actually wanted to survive.That way she wouldn't be so lonely anymore. And a very small part because of Luke. Her reasons were not for the well-being of the group but Clementine.
Jane has also made it known how she sees Rebecca, AJ, Sarah and Kenny as being a detriment to the overall survival of the group. Yeah, she was right but at what cost to abandon the ones that helped Clementine to survive? And spoiler alert.
During a flashback in S3 if the player chose to go with Jane, she finds out she's pregnant with Luke's baby and decides to commit suicide. Leaving Clementine all alone to fend for not only herself but AJ as well. Not to mention, she didn't even give herself or the child a chance unlike Rebecca and AJ.
At least, with Kenny he kept on protecting Clementine and AJ the best he could until the car crash left him paralyzed from the waist down and Clem had no choice but to grab AJ and run.
Kenny values loyalty above all. Jane is mostly loyal only to herself. That's why he doesn't like her. That's why he can determinantly hate Lee's guts if he's not loyal to him at all times.
Jane proves he was right about her post-humously when she ends up abandoning Clem and AJ anyway after only a few months via suicide. Ken's the type who might be feeling completely depressed, but would still find some way to stick around for the people he feels he owes loyalty to. He does need some sense knocked into him whenever he goes through something traumatic, though.
Here it is.
Whatever her reasons were, it was still stupid on her part why would would you try to start shit with someone you know is crazy? Your just asking to get a knife in the heart
So an eleven year old would realise before it is too late.
An eleven year old would realise not to mess with someone they know is crazy.
That was Jane's point all along and now you are answering your own question about why she instigated the incident.
Because Jane was to stupid, to know not to mess with someone they know is crazy. I don't see how that answers my question. As a matter of fact, your post makes Jane appear dumber because she would do something like that. But an eleven year old would know not to mess with the crazy man.
Once again: she did it on purpose meaning she knew what would happen. An eleven year old would know not to mess with a reckless man because there is enough evidence to say that he is not as stable as he used to be. In other words, find someone who does not treat you as if you are walking on egg shells.
So Jane knew she was going to get stabbed by the crazy man? yeah that makes her look pretty stupid, especially after she tells Clem to stay out of it.
No, but she knew that Kenny would fly of the handle. She told Clementine to stay out of it because she did not want to see her hurt.
I don't like this idea, that the whole Kenny vs Jane thing that went down in episode five started because Jane was protecting Clementine. There is no evidence that even supports that kenny would have hurt Clementine. The main reason why Jane did it, is because Clementine reminds Jane of her sister. Janes motives were done out of purely selfish reasons, leaving a baby in a car in the middle of a storm. I feel like Jane could have handled that situation better, her being the sane and level headed one.
unfortunately she didn't that why she got stabbed.
You did pay attention to the Episode right?
The so-called babysitter put a baby in danger for her own agenda and left her sister to die. Her motherly instinct kicked in Season 3 and she killed herself, leaving a 12-year-old alone with a baby after denying them safe haven.
"Her own agenda" as in proving Kenny was controlling and dangerous to the group? He wouldn't let anyone have a say in anything. To Kenny, his was the only way. Whenever someone tried to tell him anything, he'd completely disregard what they said. Carlos, someone who clearly knew Carver better than Kenny, told him to sit down and not fight back, because there'd be serious consequences. What did he do? He completely ignored Carlos' warning, and tried to untie himself so he could punch the first "son of a bitch" he saw and then punch the next person. Also, there was no guarantee Wellington was a sure thing. Jane said they should go back to Howe's, as everything they needed was already there, but he persisted, and drove everyone into the cold without knowing whether or not Wellington was real. What if Wellington didn't exist? He would've doomed them all by driving them way out into the middle of nowhere on fumes, without any way of getting back. You think AJ, a newborn, would've been able to survive that?
What was she to do? Die with her sister? No one can make anyone do anything. She tried and her sister wouldn't bend, so she left her, and she was right to do so.
Wellington got attacked and overrun. Many people including Edith died. What safe haven did she deny them?? Howe's was safer than any place they could've gone. It already had the sustenance needed to keep both her and AJ fed for a great while.
By putting a baby in danger to prove it, creating a situation out of nothing, do you not see how messed up that is? she proved that she was the one that is dangerous and unstable, not Kenny. If Kenny put a baby in danger to kill someone, would you be saying the same thing as you are with Jane? you'd be calling him a cowardly lunatic but trying to find reasons for Jane. Besides, she wasn't trying to prove anything, she wanted to get rid of Kenny and she put a baby's life at risk to achieve this just so she can have Clem for herself as she sees her as a replacement for her sister.
Name an example? The group didn't even know what to do themselves, they all went to Kenny who was minding his own business, dragged him in, listen to his advice and then bitched days later. Kenny was living peacefully at the lodge then he loses two friends, his home and is taken alive and you expect him to sit quietly, not many people would be calm, Carlos tried running away and he got caugh, only way was to fight back against Carver.
There was no guarantee that the dead cleared out of Howe's either. And also, why did it take Jane and also Mike & Bonnie days to say something about their next destination? they didn't say anything, Kenny was the only one to suggest something and they all went along with it, don't forget the 3 idiots had different ideas on where to go with 2 suggesting Howe's and 1 suggesting Texas. The group was already doomed because they were stranded out in the open and had no idea where to go, AJ's chance was already slim, in the end, Kenny was right about Wellington while Jane, Mike & Bonnie screw you over.
Her sister was scared out of her mind and Jane just left her like she wanted to do with Sarah, and yet you think this is the right person to watch over Clementine & AJ.
She denied Clem a chance to live in a community amongst people that would've watched out for her and AJ behind safe walls, a community that had sustenance for her and a baby. Yeah, it got attacked and overrun but she spent 2 years there which is a whole lot better than spending few weeks at Howe's where their food gets stolen and ends up alone so how was that any better than Wellington? in the end, Kenny wanted to leave Clem & AJ in safe hands at Wellington even if it meant him staying out whereas Jane left her alone with a newborn. Season 3 showed that Kenny stuck with them for 2 years and died to protect Clem & AJ whereas Jane took a cowards way out and left her alone after a few weeks yet you think Jane was a lot better because your hatred for Kenny clouds your judgment. She was unstable and disturbed, putting a baby in danger and manipulates you into killing someone obviously shows this.
For laying a finger on his Butterfinger.
Jane couldn’t take Kenny’s insanity, If it was insanity, but could be because of his past life and such. Kenny was angry at Jane because the way Jane treated him or some sort.
In the gamethrough you would always hear Jane say, “Kenny acting different be careful, do you trust him.” Etc etc. Basically Jane was trying to get Clementine to ‘let go’ of Kenny’s past and such.
Yeah, another aspect as to why can also be called a sociopath is that while she comes cold, rational, and even superficially winsome, she's actually quite fickle, reckless, and unstable when it really comes down to it.
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I guess it sucks to be me then.
If Jane saw me in SERIOUS trouble with walkers and knew that she could effortlessly get me to safety but instead chose to run away, I wouldn't blame her. Jane is always right, no matter what. I don't know when you guys will finally realise that.
"by putting a baby in danger"
Does no know one acknowledge the silliness of a newborn surviving a zombie apocalypse in the blizzard?
Yet somehow Jane MURDERING the baby is more plausible than the baby just dying due to the circumstances?
That's why you shoot Kenny.
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I want you to understand that you can love someone and care for them a million times and not be willing to die for them at the same time.
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but she is always right
Unrelated, but I said this a quite a while back. 1-10, how sociopathic did I sound
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In the end, Kenny and jane were both in the wrong for endangering Clem AND AJ
He was mad at Jane because Jane was the one who stole from or attacked Arvo. It all started with her fucking Luke while the group needed them to do their job so the baby could be born safely. Instead, Luke and Jane decided to fuck while putting lives in danger besides their own. I don't get why so many people overlook how fucked up that was for those two to choose to fuck around right then and there. Sure, Luke was likable, but he was immature and did some stupid shit at the wrong time. He was like a much older Ben, at times. Then Jane kept having that attitude once she returned, and talked shit to Kenny. Tried getting Clem to turn against him. It was clear, even though she did most of it behind his back. Besides, Jane ran off and then all of that crap happened. Kenny's one for loyalty; in his eyes she abandoned the group, returned after shit got real, and wanted to leave when it started getting real again. The last straw was what she did to AJ (or what he thought she did).
There was a comment in the thread saying that he didn't care about Clem, and saw AJ as a second Duck - wrong. Kenny knew Clem could handle just about as much as any of the adults could; he said something similar to that before. AJ is an infant that's in the freezing cold surrounded by a group that's falling apart, and the undead - his parents are gone, and this "crazy bitch" just lost him. Of course he was focused on beating the shit out of Jane. Kenny loved the fuck out of both Clem & AJ, regardless of how you feel about the character, that's a fact. You can hate on Kenny all you want, call him a raging dog, etc but the man really cared about those kids. Hell, I think it's unfair that some of the obvious Kenny traits in Clementine are shared with everyone - it should be exclusive to people who chose to stick with Kenny.
I agree with everything you said, and yeah Luke was a complete shitbird who gets a pass for some reason just for being kind. He was constantly making terrible decisions that put people at risk. Was complicit in locking an injured little girl in a shed, insisted that he and Clem go alone to the bridge which nearly got them both killed, wanted to hide Matthew's murder from the guy who fed and sheltered them, was totally shitty to Nick after Pete died and talked shit about him, ran away when Carver showed up, got caught stealing food in Howe's which resulted in Kenny getting savagely beaten, and like you said he fucked Jane instead of keeping watch which nearly screwed the entire group over.
They were both wrong. Period. End of discussion
Why is when I read those first lines that I thought of Jasper? With Sarah, of all people, no less.
Actually, I understand Jane killing herself for getting pregnant, but I don't think she would hang herself. She would make sure she wouldn't turn.
LOL What???!!!
So if Jane says you(as Clem) will be the next evil dictator and should kill yourself, you gonna put a gun to your head and pull the trigger since she is Mrs Right? would you take Mrs Right's word if she said Lee was a dangerous POS and needed to be put down despite you knowing him better? maybe she knows how the zombie plague started since she knows everything? were you OK with what Ben did in Season 1 when he ran and left Clem? your whole arguments have basically been one-sided If Jane does it, it's right, if Kenny does it, it's wrong. When are you gonna finally realize that Jane is a disturbed selfish woman that most people wouldn't trust and avoid a person like that in real life.
That's a good question.
I can't get mad at him for leaving her. It's his life. If he wants to protect it, who is anyone to say he's wrong for doing that?
She wasn't disturbed. And you think you can trust Kenny?
I wasn't going to reply because you wrote so much, but seeing as how it got 7 likes, I had to respond
Jane was right about Howe's as well. The walkers were clear, and the food was still there
Sarah and her sister were fucking WEAK. Only the STRONG can survive the longest. And yeah, I think she was the right person to look after Clementine and AJ. Clem wasn't weak like Sarah or her sister. She would've made the perfect replacement.
Oh yeah, that's right. That small family of 3 took EVERYTHING they had, kind of like how all of Wellington was taken from them, right?
My judgement isn't clouded by my hatred for Kenny. I honestly believe Jane was a lot better.
Any closer to the right and Clementine could've DIED. That's how Howe's was a lot better.
If Kenny had done that? would you have been so understanding?
Putting babies in danger in a plan to kill someone isn't a sign of a normal sane person.
Yes I can. Don't take my word for it, Season 3 already shows who you Clem was better off with.
But Howe's was still vulnerable and the food was stolen within weeks.
Just like 8-year-old Clementine was once weak, just like baby AJ is weak, by yours and Jane's logic, they don't deserve to be helped right? She brought them to Howe's and left them alone with no food in the middle of nowhere within weeks after taking them from a suitable guardian yet you still think she's the right person to look after them? I can see why you like Jane so much.
A family of 3 robbed them within weeks where Clem is still little and had a newborn to care for which she had no idea how to look after whereas Wellington was raided by bandits after 2 years where Clem was a little older and more hardened as a survivor and has a better experience of looking after AJ.
Because you hate Kenny and love Jane so much that you're agreeing to anything she does no matter how wrong she is.
So Howe's was better because Clem nearly died in a bandit raid at Wellington but you're making it seem like she had it easy and safe being alone with no food at Howe's. So what you're saying is it was better for a little girl being all alone with no food and with a newborn baby to care for out in the middle of nowhere where she was vulnerable to an attack by the dead & living than her being at a safe secure (for two years) community where she had a bed to sleep on, food for herself & AJ and people that could watch over her and communicate with? The only reason you're saying Howe's is better is because your beloved Jane chose it otherwise you'd be saying the same about Wellington if she chose that.
aj wasn't in danger and jane probably didn't know kenny was gonna go full psycho and try to murder her for literally no reason at all. like he didn't even see the corpse of aj or even try to ask what happened. he went straight to murder. like a psycho. because he was in fact a psycho.