We Need To Talk About Lilly
indeed we do!
basically i just wanted a place where we could discuss all things lilly, considering that there's a lot of things pointing to her making a return this season. hot takes, hype, speculation and nuanced opinions related to the subject (lilly) are all welcome; senseless bashing is not however. keep it civil and respectful folks
i specifically wanted to talk about her possible comeback, as it's something i've almost shat myself with excitement thinking about before. however, based on the fact that she was portrayed as a backstabbing psycho in the story builder i'm starting to get very afraid that they're planning on making her return as a villain (basically do what they chickened out on doing with kenny in s2). i think lilly's an interesting, complex character, and while i won't deny she has exhibited some backstabbing psycho-characteristics (tbf she was suffering a mental breakdown there at the end) i think it's unfair to reduce her entire character to that. i've always wished that telltale would humanize her if they decided to bring her back, give us her perspective on the shit that went down, and that's a lot harder to do if they decide to turn her into an antagonist. not to sound dramatic but if they decide to make her the leader of the raider group or some shit like that i will lose pretty much all respect i have for telltale
but yeah, that's just my two cents on it. what do you guys think?
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I want them to make her the antagonist, but for that antagonist to be actually interesting and human.
Tbh I would much rather Lilly to have a redemption arc rather than a villain one.
Exactly!
I, for one, wouldn't mind if she doesn't come back. I much prefer to explore new characters than the old ones.
She’s my fav season 1 character so I need redemption
One of my favorite characters in season 1,i'm really excited but also scared to see her again,i hope they know what they're doing.
I don't want her to be a "villain" that's stupid,i'd rather have a redemption arc or something.
I guess we'll see.
A lot of people think that she is going to come back as the leader of the raider group but I disagree. I don't think Telltale would follow in the same footsteps they did in S3 especially if they claim to give us closure. I'm not sure how they will introduce Lilly but I don't think she will be the leader of the group. I don't have any proof of this it's just a hunch.
Anyone disrespecting my beautiful daughter will answer to me!
I should go collect a number of various things I've said regarding Lilly to post here, but for now I'll just bullet point some stuff:
I'm not disrespecting your daughter, I'm disrespecting the man that knocked me flat after I saved his life.
I could see her as a member of the group...Maybe they saved her life...she feels that she owes them...but all this is speculation...we dunno what has happened to her in the past 8 years.
My biggest question is this: does she regret what she did? In either play through where you save Doug/Carley, she shows very little remorse, if at all. In my play through, I left her on the side of the road. If she can redeem herself (which I don’t think she will; she doesn’t strike me as the most redeeming person in the world), I’ll be happy. Forgive, but never forget. It’s been a whole 8 years, if not more, since the incident. Time heals all wounds. However, we can’t blindly forget what’s she’s done just because she’s the returning character (?
). She did a monstrous thing, and who’s to say she won’t do it again?
Got my eyes on you buster...
For all we know Lily could end up being both a villain or not depending on your choices if the writers do the same thing they did for john doe/Joker in batman season 2 ((that could even explain why there are 4 episodes instead of 5. Because we would get two versions of an episode due to our choices later down the line.)) althought if i had to pick one of the two i d want Lily to have a redemption arc.
mate i am LIVING for this comment i wanna print it out and send it to telltale’s headquarters. i agree that lilly should’ve been the one returning in s2 instead of kenny (hope i don’t get axed for saying that lol). i love kenny, but he had a complete character arc and everything. there really was no reason for him to come back, other than to detract the attention and care the new characters should’ve been given
I suppose you have a point.
It just feels like such a stark decay for her to join up with what is seemingly comprised of everything she practically hated and led to her fallout.
Not to mention rather petty for a certain crowd.
Now that, I might be willing to give a little sliding room on.
As a Lilly fan of sorts, I feel like I'll probably be one of the few to give her the benefit of the doubt.
let's talk about a female that'd be one of the raiders
I mean, I do hope there is a few females among the raiders themselves, but I wouldn't want one to be Lily.
Lilly doesn't have to be branded as either "good" or "bad". "Heroes", "villains"... all boring concepts to be bringing into a TWD universe. Everyone should be doing things out of necessity, for the survival of themselves/their group/their family/etc...
The games are supposed to challange us morally. We aren't supposed to be told who is in the right or wrong. I'd find it disappointing for the game to start branding characters as "good" or "bad". It's why I find the theory that the raiders are just... a random group of organized gang rapist woods pedophiles (???) so boringly... "evil". Once the antagonists become just a bunch of evil-for-the-sake-of-it no names, what interesting dilemmas are there to be had?
Back to Lilly, I'd find a redemption arc for something that happened, like, 8 years ago, extremely out of place...? Like, it should be brought up, talked about and discussed, sure, but having Lilly crying at our feet for the rest of the season over that wouldn't appease me. I hope they use her character for something else, something way more interesting.
A question I'll be asking myself over any returning character really is... why them? What makes this character's backstory with Clem relevant to the present storyline? If anyone has any ideas on what role Lilly's past with Clem could play with everything that's happening at the school, I'd love to hear it.
Right there with ya, I love the more complex characters who experienced some form of trauma and do bad stuff as a result, Lilly lost her shit sure, but it's not like she planned in advance to blow Doug/Ben/Carley's brains all over the floor, it just kinda happened.
Should be interesting to see how this plays out, after all, she was always good to Clementine untill that little incident.
Eh, I guess.
Personally, I didn't mind it too much as long as everything was appropriately fleshed out and understandable to some degree. Plus, Clementine was originally coded, designed, and characterized in such a way that made it difficult to see her as anything but good in the end.
Yeah, I honestly kinda have the same thought. Which reinforces why I'd hate for Lily to be a full fledged member of them.
Uh, yeah, it's one of those things where the returning character has a certain pre-established record and associations to them that you kinda have to acknowledge and to some extent design around when bringing them back.
With that said, bringing back Lily or any other character in this current story premise(s) would obviously necessitate backstory, motivation, and story agency beyond that.
Very good assessment.
The only thing that immediately comes to mind is the parallel of Lily previously emphasizing rationing things in a single safe place and Marlon's death seemingly being in place "fulfill the prophecy" of Clementien being a leader.
Also, the fact that the raiders are seemingly a group term-hashin, possibly rapey rednecks, ala the Save Lots Bandits..
Lilly was always the most level headed one of the group tbh, up until her breaking point...and she wasn't wrong about Ben, either.
She murdered someone, sure, but I was willing to give her at least one second chance given Lee was a convicted murderer as well.
Lilly was already a gray character in season one, a redemption arc for her doesn’t mean she will be completely “good”. For example, Kenny was a grey character in season two, even though he was in fact a good person. Lilly is either gonna be against or with us, that’s it, she might continue to be a gray character, but she will either be an ally or an enemy. The group that is against us will always seem bad to the player because we clearly are the good guys, it has always been like this in all TWD media. I hope the antagonists are not totally evil, crazy and actually feel humans, but they still will be seen as the bad guys.
Lilly is an interesting character with a lot of potential to develop (hopefully not as a villain), so it makes totally sense to bring her back, not everything has to be about her connection with Clementine in the past, and we will have to wait to see how the story will play out. And it’s all about this single action, Lilly could have done other bad actions after that and Clem and the other kids would be her redemption because she would care about them, and Lilly could totally regreted what she has done because, even after everything, she was never a bad person.
The Raiders capture girls and use them in the worst way you can imagine. Another group we've known to do that were the Bandits from season 1, we learned what they did to Jolene and her daughter. They took her daughter.
It's a plausible scenario that Lilly could have been captured by the bandits and be a prisoner of theirs.
How I'm guessing we'll meet Lilly is like this.
Clementine and few of the girls get captured, she wakes up and see Minne, Violet and Lilly hands bound.
Be careful OP, i mentioned Lilly and was banned for 2 weeks by our ''great'' **MODS ** ,
seems i was 'Casually mentioning Leaks?'..pathetic
But to get back on topic,Lilly is indeed a awesome character ,and can be written in all sorts of directions,you could have her still seething at Kenny and the group from like we just left her, or a more hardened version we saw, or even a point where it all comes to a point where old feelings resurface and she has a total mental breakdown, im guessing Lilly would be a leader of a bandit group as she wouldn't just let herself be captured.
Eh, make it Sophia. Feels more diverse and paced that way.