That has nothing to do with the ability to whether clem knows how to shoot a gun or not, this has to do with the gun blasting her back considering her size
Well you are right, but she obviously meant a pistol, not a rifle. We clearly saw that Lee taught her how to only shoot a pistol. And now you're using that particular gif where she can't fire a rifle properly as your argument of Lee not being a good teacher smh
Well you are right, but she obviously meant a pistol, not a rifle. We clearly saw that Lee taught her how to only shoot a pistol. And now yo… moreu're using that particular gif where she can't fire a rifle properly as your argument of Lee not being a good teacher smh
clem also feels super guilty for betraying lee and going with the stranger after everything he did for her, even was contacting with him for a while without telling lee.. she is the (indirect) reason why the stranger been fucking with the group, telling him all of their plans, infos and where they are headed... really clem?
and also: resulting in all of lee, kenny (persumed), ben and chuck's deaths
a group consisting with lee, kenny, chuck, christa and omid and kicking out ben wouldve lived and survived longer..
Yep, if Clem didn't talk to the stranger all the time everything would've gone differently and Lee would've survived. So yes Clem indeed feels super guilty.
clem also feels super guilty for betraying lee and going with the stranger after everything he did for her, even was contacting with him for… more a while without telling lee.. she is the (indirect) reason why the stranger been fucking with the group, telling him all of their plans, infos and where they are headed... really clem?
and also: resulting in all of lee, kenny (persumed), ben and chuck's deaths
a group consisting with lee, kenny, chuck, christa and omid and kicking out ben wouldve lived and survived longer..
It is, but it changes nothing, since it was even explained by herself in the game. She said she knows how to use a gun, but not a rifle. (S2E1 while talking to pete on the way to the river).
It is, but it changes nothing, since it was even explained by herself in the game. She said she knows how to use a gun, but not a rifle. (S2E1 while talking to pete on the way to the river).
Please, people, pay attention to the games.
Christa showed Clem how to stitch herself. She gave clem practical survival skills. That being said, I don’t think there is any doubt that Lee built up her emotional/mental health going forward. He is responsible for laying down the foundation that stuck with her all this time. At the same time, over the course of 2 years, clem was just tagging along. For only 4 months, clem experienced an INSANELY varied series of events with Lee, while with christa, there’s a good chance all they did together was hunt and maintain fires. Notice how they were always in a heavily forested area at opposite ends of the timeskip? I know that time together was significant in length, but it could have also been unproductive. If Clem and Lee stayed in Macon near the motor inn for 2 years with limited outside contact, what would she really have learned or taken away through that?
wasnt there a moment (some game in the series) where a character said id be comfortable with a .243 next to me? something like that i dunno im sure i saw a scene but not sure who and which game
It's even been confirmed by Pete himself when he tells her that the gun's recoil "would probably knock you on your ass." This foreshadows what totally happened, if a grown male man had some troubles shooting it in the first place let alone a 11-year old girl.
Also, there's is a difference with Lee teaching HOW to a shoot a gun and her actually firing a one, any kind.
Yes, in paper what I just told might sound nonsense but keep in mind Lee taught her that:
1. It's not a toy
2. How to handle it
3. Right time to shoot
4. Right place to shoot
5. Difference between shooting a walker, and hurting a person
He didn't give her a lecture about all kind of stuff about guns, best ones to use and how to actually take a recoil force to your body that usually goes with 4,058 ft/s (1,237 m/s) Velocity / 2,012 ft⋅lbf (2,728 J) Energy. He only told her basic advises.
So, taking Sarah as an example.. If Lee wasn't around and somehow Clem managed to live to THAT point of the second season she would've hesitated about taking a rifle or a pistol in an emergency situation, she WOULDN'T even pick it up! might also be afraid to use it in the first place (considering any normal child can have fears of using a gun.)
How's that for a not open minded fella here, @MaxTheFax :P?
It's even been confirmed by Pete himself when he tells her that the gun's recoil "would probably knock you on your ass." This foreshadows wh… moreat totally happened, if a grown male man had some troubles shooting it in the first place let alone a 11-year old girl.
Also, there's is a difference with Lee teaching HOW to a shoot a gun and her actually firing a one, any kind.
Yes, in paper what I just told might sound nonsense but keep in mind Lee taught her that:
1. It's not a toy
2. How to handle it
3. Right time to shoot
4. Right place to shoot
5. Difference between shooting a walker, and hurting a person
He didn't give her a lecture about all kind of stuff about guns, best ones to use and how to actually take a recoil force to your body that usually goes with 4,058 ft/s (1,237 m/s) Velocity / 2,012 ft⋅lbf (2,728 J) Energy. He only told her basic advises.
So, taking Sarah as an example.. If Lee wasn't around and somehow Clem managed … [view original content]
It is, but it changes nothing, since it was even explained by herself in the game. She said she knows how to use a gun, but not a rifle. (S2E1 while talking to pete on the way to the river).
Please, people, pay attention to the games.
It's even been confirmed by Pete himself when he tells her that the gun's recoil "would probably knock you on your ass." This foreshadows wh… moreat totally happened, if a grown male man had some troubles shooting it in the first place let alone a 11-year old girl.
Also, there's is a difference with Lee teaching HOW to a shoot a gun and her actually firing a one, any kind.
Yes, in paper what I just told might sound nonsense but keep in mind Lee taught her that:
1. It's not a toy
2. How to handle it
3. Right time to shoot
4. Right place to shoot
5. Difference between shooting a walker, and hurting a person
He didn't give her a lecture about all kind of stuff about guns, best ones to use and how to actually take a recoil force to your body that usually goes with 4,058 ft/s (1,237 m/s) Velocity / 2,012 ft⋅lbf (2,728 J) Energy. He only told her basic advises.
So, taking Sarah as an example.. If Lee wasn't around and somehow Clem managed … [view original content]
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For the last time... TIME. DOES. NOT. MATTER. That’s like saying that I can get kidnapped for 2 decades or so by feckin Bill Cosby, therefore he must be more of an influence on me
Doesn't fucking matter man, Clem still sees Lee as her most influential person because she KNOWS what Lee sacrificed for her, best proof is her still not letting go of the regret and her past with him. She still living in the idea of her being the cause of Lee's death even after betraying him. Also he told her how to say goodbye which can be determinantly the most important thing she ever learned with him. Most important thing Christa told her? How to make fire. WHICH WE DON'T EVER SEE HER DO LATER.
The game even acknowledge this fact. her greatest influence is indeed Lee and that is canon.
Lee:
1. Mentions and references him a lot in the later games.
Saying that she hears him and guides her in her head.
Dreaming of him when in faced in a near-death situation.
7-9 years into the outbreak and she doesn't even forget about him.
(Look at the trailer of TFS for god's sake.)
What about Christa?
Uuuuuuhhhhhhh.... Clem says she's looking for a woman she was with before to a couple of strangers and THEN completely abandons the idea of looking for her and even the character itself as soon as Kenny re-enters her life.
HOW. FUCKING. PATHETIC... WHAT A JOKE OF A CHARACTER! (Didn't even make it to that shitshow ANF lol wasn't even mentioned neither none of her "influence" of Clem.. now that's what a call a fate worst than death.)
She even doesn't suggest finding her with the help of Kenny.. nah! she is still busy crediting her most in influential person which is our man Lee. which is the right thing to do after abandoning that bitch who only cares about herself and even still edgy after 2 years of her boyfriend got killed.
As much as you like to address that none of us are "open-minded" as you call yourself for disagreeing over some opinions, Lee was and still Clem's most influential person and I got the whole series to back me up. Thanks and have a blessed and a good day
All the bickering aside, I hope Telltale allows an option for christa to be brought up again. Someone could see the stitches on her arm and inquire who taught her.
Doesn't fucking matter man, Clem still sees Lee as her most influential person because she KNOWS what Lee sacrificed for her, best proof is … moreher still not letting go of the regret and her past with him. She still living in the idea of her being the cause of Lee's death even after betraying him. Also he told her how to say goodbye which can be determinantly the most important thing she ever learned with him. Most important thing Christa told her? How to make fire. WHICH WE DON'T EVER SEE HER DO LATER.
The game even acknowledge this fact. her greatest influence is indeed Lee and that is canon.
Lee:
1. Mentions and references him a lot in the later games.
Saying that she hears him and guides her in her head.
Dreaming of him when in faced in a near-death situation.
7-9 years into the outbreak and she doesn't even forget about him.
(Look at the trailer of TFS for god's sake.)
What about Christa?
Uuuuuuhhhhhhh.... Clem says she's loo… [view original content]
yes man i went far a bit but telltale did christa dirty, TOO dirty. what grinds my gears i why the fuck we have a discussion of this while it's actually a fact confirmed by none other.. Clementine herself.
yes man i went far a bit but telltale did christa dirty, TOO dirty. what grinds my gears i why the fuck we have a discussion of this while it's actually a fact confirmed by none other.. Clementine herself.
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For the last time... TIME. DOES. NOT. MATTER. That’s like saying that I can get kidnapped for 2 decades or so by feckin Bill Cosby, therefore he must be more of an influence on me
Okay but seriously - my stance on this is that I don't really care about this. By that, I mean Lee was very important for Clementine. He taught her many things but he wasn't alone in this endeavour. He was just one of many, same as Christa, who gave Clem insights into how to survive. I think that some people believe Lee was the biggest influence simply because we were Lee. We played as him and for some its probably just a type of nostalgia.
Maybe you shouldn’t take words too literally yeah? It’s how society works now, if you wanna go back to the dark ages then go ahead. I mean you were the one to incorrectly say that I thought people who were in that situation wouldn’t be affected when I told. If you wanna continue to try and argue a stupid opinion just to be the special child who is in the minority but right, then go ahead, but I’m telling you that
"I'm sure if you got kidnapped for 2 years your gonna be pretty different after that experience, therefore he will have an impact/influence on you"
Yeah where did I say that? Maybe you just don't understand what impact/influence means
Maybe you shouldn’t take words too literally yeah? It’s how society works now, if you wanna go back to the dark ages then go ahead. I mean y… moreou were the one to incorrectly say that I thought people who were in that situation wouldn’t be affected when I told. If you wanna continue to try and argue a stupid opinion just to be the special child who is in the minority but right, then go ahead, but I’m telling you that
"I'm sure if you got kidnapped for 2 years your gonna be pretty different after that experience, therefore he will have an impact/influence on you"
Yeah where did I say that? Maybe you just don't understand what impact/influence means
What are you talking about? The entire thread disagrees with you and you’re saying that I’m wrong? Like @Hersani said, there’s a difference between an emotional impact and influence.
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That has nothing to do with the ability to whether clem knows how to shoot a gun or not, this has to do with the gun blasting her back considering her size
they didn't have a rifle back there at the train you know..
Clementine mentions multiple times Lee taught her how to shoot a gun
Is that not a gun
Dude, that was a rifle. You know how powerful those things are? Besides, he didn’t teach Clem about rifles. Firing a handgun is waaaaaay different.
Well you are right, but she obviously meant a pistol, not a rifle. We clearly saw that Lee taught her how to only shoot a pistol. And now you're using that particular gif where she can't fire a rifle properly as your argument of Lee not being a good teacher smh
smh xD rawr
clem also feels super guilty for betraying lee and going with the stranger after everything he did for her, even was contacting with him for a while without telling lee.. she is the (indirect) reason why the stranger been fucking with the group, telling him all of their plans, infos and where they are headed... really clem?
and also: resulting in all of lee, kenny (persumed), ben and chuck's deaths
a group consisting with lee, kenny, chuck, christa and omid and kicking out ben wouldve lived and survived longer..
thats a fucking .243 Winchester rifle, your lucky it didnt break her shoulder
Yep, if Clem didn't talk to the stranger all the time everything would've gone differently and Lee would've survived. So yes Clem indeed feels super guilty.
It is, but it changes nothing, since it was even explained by herself in the game. She said she knows how to use a gun, but not a rifle. (S2E1 while talking to pete on the way to the river).
Please, people, pay attention to the games.
I was about to mention that.
This ☝️
Christa showed Clem how to stitch herself. She gave clem practical survival skills. That being said, I don’t think there is any doubt that Lee built up her emotional/mental health going forward. He is responsible for laying down the foundation that stuck with her all this time. At the same time, over the course of 2 years, clem was just tagging along. For only 4 months, clem experienced an INSANELY varied series of events with Lee, while with christa, there’s a good chance all they did together was hunt and maintain fires. Notice how they were always in a heavily forested area at opposite ends of the timeskip? I know that time together was significant in length, but it could have also been unproductive. If Clem and Lee stayed in Macon near the motor inn for 2 years with limited outside contact, what would she really have learned or taken away through that?
Looks more like a .22 sporter to me, shot sounded like a whet fart too.
wasnt there a moment (some game in the series) where a character said id be comfortable with a .243 next to me? something like that i dunno im sure i saw a scene but not sure who and which game
It's even been confirmed by Pete himself when he tells her that the gun's recoil "would probably knock you on your ass." This foreshadows what totally happened, if a grown male man had some troubles shooting it in the first place let alone a 11-year old girl.
Also, there's is a difference with Lee teaching HOW to a shoot a gun and her actually firing a one, any kind.
Yes, in paper what I just told might sound nonsense but keep in mind Lee taught her that:
1. It's not a toy
2. How to handle it
3. Right time to shoot
4. Right place to shoot
5. Difference between shooting a walker, and hurting a person
He didn't give her a lecture about all kind of stuff about guns, best ones to use and how to actually take a recoil force to your body that usually goes with 4,058 ft/s (1,237 m/s) Velocity / 2,012 ft⋅lbf (2,728 J) Energy. He only told her basic advises.
So, taking Sarah as an example.. If Lee wasn't around and somehow Clem managed to live to THAT point of the second season she would've hesitated about taking a rifle or a pistol in an emergency situation, she WOULDN'T even pick it up! might also be afraid to use it in the first place (considering any normal child can have fears of using a gun.)
How's that for a not open minded fella here, @MaxTheFax :P?
Gonna pull out the ol’ lawn chair and bag of ? while I wait for a response to this one
Please, people, pay attention to satire
remember you're trying to say that you'll be closer to someone your with for 4 months then you would be to someone you're with for 2 years
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For the last time... TIME. DOES. NOT. MATTER. That’s like saying that I can get kidnapped for 2 decades or so by feckin Bill Cosby, therefore he must be more of an influence on me
What? Satire has nothing to do with you being factually and objectively wrong. It's just how it is.
Doesn't fucking matter man, Clem still sees Lee as her most influential person because she KNOWS what Lee sacrificed for her, best proof is her still not letting go of the regret and her past with him. She still living in the idea of her being the cause of Lee's death even after betraying him. Also he told her how to say goodbye which can be determinantly the most important thing she ever learned with him. Most important thing Christa told her? How to make fire. WHICH WE DON'T EVER SEE HER DO LATER.
The game even acknowledge this fact. her greatest influence is indeed Lee and that is canon.
Lee:
1. Mentions and references him a lot in the later games.
Saying that she hears him and guides her in her head.
Dreaming of him when in faced in a near-death situation.
7-9 years into the outbreak and she doesn't even forget about him.
(Look at the trailer of TFS for god's sake.)
What about Christa?
Uuuuuuhhhhhhh.... Clem says she's looking for a woman she was with before to a couple of strangers and THEN completely abandons the idea of looking for her and even the character itself as soon as Kenny re-enters her life.
HOW. FUCKING. PATHETIC... WHAT A JOKE OF A CHARACTER! (Didn't even make it to that shitshow ANF lol wasn't even mentioned neither none of her "influence" of Clem.. now that's what a call a fate worst than death.)
She even doesn't suggest finding her with the help of Kenny.. nah! she is still busy crediting her most in influential person which is our man Lee. which is the right thing to do after abandoning that bitch who only cares about herself and even still edgy after 2 years of her boyfriend got killed.
As much as you like to address that none of us are "open-minded" as you call yourself for disagreeing over some opinions, Lee was and still Clem's most influential person and I got the whole series to back me up. Thanks and have a blessed and a good day
All the bickering aside, I hope Telltale allows an option for christa to be brought up again. Someone could see the stitches on her arm and inquire who taught her.
I laughed by the Christa part
yes man i went far a bit but telltale did christa dirty, TOO dirty. what grinds my gears i why the fuck we have a discussion of this while it's actually a fact confirmed by none other.. Clementine herself.
I never honestly cared for Christa. She was just... there.
Pretty much, atleast Omid was fun.
Yeah.
Me too. Holding a grudge against a little girl just puts the nail in the coffin.
I'm sure if you got kidnapped for 2 years your gonna be pretty different after that experience, therefore he will have an impact/influence on you
Christa influenced Clementine more than Lee
Okay but seriously - my stance on this is that I don't really care about this. By that, I mean Lee was very important for Clementine. He taught her many things but he wasn't alone in this endeavour. He was just one of many, same as Christa, who gave Clem insights into how to survive. I think that some people believe Lee was the biggest influence simply because we were Lee. We played as him and for some its probably just a type of nostalgia.
Alright I need you to go have a deep long think about what you just said and then come back to me, k?
OMG You're trying to say people who've been kidnapped for 2 years wont have any emotional or mental damage and will act as if its never happened
Piss off u said that they’d grow a bond with their kidnapper just for being with them longer, don’t try and twist it ?
"I'm sure if you got kidnapped for 2 years your gonna be pretty different after that experience, therefore he will have an impact/influence on you"
Yeah where did I say that? Maybe you just don't understand what impact/influence means
Maybe you shouldn’t take words too literally yeah? It’s how society works now, if you wanna go back to the dark ages then go ahead. I mean you were the one to incorrectly say that I thought people who were in that situation wouldn’t be affected when I told. If you wanna continue to try and argue a stupid opinion just to be the special child who is in the minority but right, then go ahead, but I’m telling you that
when you end an argument because your wrong and your last attempt is to try and make it seem like a joke
theres a huge huge huge huge huge huge difference on being influenced and having an emotional impact
What are you talking about? The entire thread disagrees with you and you’re saying that I’m wrong? Like @Hersani said, there’s a difference between an emotional impact and influence.