Gabe
I know a lot of people don't like him and I understand that but tbh I don't mind him. He's not that bad imo. My favorite ending is where it's just Javier and Gabe. I don't really like David and Kate and could care less about them or what happens to them. I would rather just have Gabe it's less drama lol.
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I still wonder why they killed off Mariana first, when she was actually likable. Gabe on the other hand, was a big cry baby throughout the entire season. When the game wanted to try and force my Clem with with Gabe, I cringed so hard. Compared to both louis and violet, he's an absolute loser. Why did the devs want Clem to have a crush on a big baby, who always whined whatever the situation was? He was an awfully annoying character and I'm glad my Clem didn't kiss or hold the hand of that idiot. That's all I have to say about Gabe.
I said it once and I’ll say it again. Will the entire forum shred me to pieces for saying this? Probably. But.... we are ALL Duck, Ben, Sarah, Gabe and all characters like these guys combined.
When ANF released, there was nothing but whining around this place. Instant signs of Gabe right there (next part has nothing to do with what you said) plus we always tear Ben and Duck to pieces because we all think that we’ll be badass survivors in the apocalypse, but let’s face that we’ll all be dead within seconds unless we pulled off a major stroke of luck and survived the first day. Back onto the topic of Gabe, if your dad was going to get hanged, you’d also be enthusiastic to get him back, and you’ll also lose a lot of your judgement because it’s the heat of the moment. Basic human behaviour.
So in short, we shouldn’t give Gabe and the others such shit because in all honesty we ARE those characters. None of us are Clem, Lee, Kenny, Javier or Luke. We like to think that, but we’re not.
He's just whining all the time and how he wants to be a man and bla bla bla and then in episode 4 he can just throw you under the bus for killing Conrad.
I think they actually figured out what to do with him in episode 5 but it was already too late.
I liked Duck and Sarah but Gabe is just an annoying little shit,that's it.
This ^^
Tries to respond but can't seem to breath from sheer rage of being compared to dislike-able characters.
Every time I see his name I get triggered.
How bad are your triggers? I'm at a ten, practically rammed my head into the screen.
Firstly I know I wouldn't be a Gabe if we are talking about comparing myself to his character. I deal with more blood, guts, murder, suicide in a 12 hour shift than that brat dealt with the entire season. secondly I wasn't comparing anyone or myself to Gabe. I'm saying Gabe was just an awful and annoying character. Plain and simple. I had never had a problem with Duck, Ben, or Sarah they were at the very least entertaining. Whereas Gabe was just annoying. And Lastly I never came to this section of the forum when ANF was out, so I can tell you I never "whined" about Gabe during that season. I was to busy speculating if there was going to be a season 2 of TWAU. ANF wasn't even on my radar. I only recently bought and played it 2 months ago.
Gabe ended up becoming one of my favorite characters from ANF and arguably one of the strongest(which isn't saying much, I realize), though Kate was originally higher(or highest in Part 1).
Looking back for a number of reasons, I've realized that some of the overt disdain(and my own very slight neutrality) he got off the bat is simply because Part 1 didn't do a very sufficient job at all on introducing and getting people acquainted to his character, as with many other things. There's seriously an entire portion of the junkyard where it's just him and Javier, which would obviously be the window to show off and establish their dynamic while also fleshing out his character a bit for the audience beyond his initial moodiness in the present, but nope. You can't interact with during this section and he in fact doesn't say a word, barely even reacting to what little happens even.
Luckily, the episode's ending & much of Part 2 put his inner character in the spotlight and properly established him in a surprisingly realistic & nuanced manner given previous track records, making his place in the plot feel naturally warranted and his potential character development something to anticipate.
Unfortunately, he went from unambiguously one of the standout characters for right reasons to being another example of how these games fail to uphold it's own material and/or structure after the halfway point, which is a toxic trend among these games. Which also coincided from making him a character many people kneejerked to needlessly disliking on principal to one a lot of them jumped to hating for partially wrong reasons(or rather, poorly earned).
And on the endings, one of the reasons I consider the one where no one comes for him one of the worst is the fact that it just kinda kills off the one [other] developed character that really could've as something of a stable reference among the endings for no real good reason besides Status Quo.
Also, he also generally acts as a reference for why most of TFS thus far has been just eh-ish imo, for better or worse, and an extra citation for why I'm just kinda done with this game series in general.
Wot? Gabe has seen reanimated corpses eat each other for pretty much the whole season, for four years of his life for that matter. He wasn’t born at the start of the first episode, he’s seen blood, guts and death every. Single. Day for four years.
But that has nothing to do with my point, the point I’m making now is that I didn’t say that you were comparing yourself to Gabe, although I did compare the entire community to Gabe because there was nothing but whining when the thing came out, I didn’t explicitly call you out, I responded to your message because you are an “anti-Gabe activist” as I like to call them, with my main point going out there to the majority of people who have hated on Gabe since the start. This is a public forum, if I respond to a message I expect everyone else to see it, if I was talking to you and to you personally I’d PM you my point.
If you look back at my message, I said “when ANF released, there was nothing but whining around this place”, not “when ANF released, you were probably one of those whiners” I did that on purpose to get people to realise that we are all Gabes. Your comment came off as like it wasn’t on the whiny part of the spectrum, I have nothing against people who dislike Gabe, but when you phrase comments the way you did I can’t help but feel like you’re being a bit Gabey yourself.
Hell, as I said before I didn’t even single you out, I compared the entire community to Gabe, even myself, I whined about people who disliked a new frontier, only thing is that I can actually admit that I, and most others, all share characteristics with him.
But I haven't been a clueless, sheltered kid since I left home at 16 and took two jobs to support myself over a decade ago lol.
On topic, I'm glad I don't have to worry about Gabe being there should any ANF characters show up. Shame it took 5 episodes to make sure he's gone.
Part of it is that many people just don't like to think about how vulnerable and trouble-prone they can be.
Notice that the more debatably revered non-playable characters(ex.Kenny, Carver, Jane, David) are the ones who are assholes, but also mainly get plenty of chances to be badass, sound/look like they have a point, and stir up "juicy" drama in addition to just being troublesome douchebags.
I used to make that joke with increasing frequency to vent/cope.
I mean, we might be Luke and initially Kenny, but I get what you're getting at.
There is nothing wrong with having a different opinion but you can't deny that Gabe throwing his uncle under the bus for killing Conrad was such a retarded move and that makes him one of the worst Walking Dead characters ever created, that's the point where everyone started to hate the shit out of this character. I wish he died over Mariana, she was like the only member of the Garcias that I liked.
I'd rather have Gabe than Mari, it depicts the fucked up world, and there are more narrative oppurtunities and plot points to cover.
But ANF's writing was horrible, they did nothing right and there was nothing impressive. So no, Gabe is fine but the writing really isn't. I especially hated From The Gutter when the characters were walking across the rooftop. They did it properly in No Time Left but this was horribly paced and too much speaking actually. After they climb to the next level, someone else says something, e.g. Clem/David/Javi convo, fight walkers, Gabe and Javi convo. I hated it. Gabe's ever changing state that wasn't obvious (or subtle) enough really confused me about the writing direction for him. They should know by now that both the casual and the observant/perceptive hate characters like Ben and Sarah and Gabe.
But instead we get Aasim, heherbeh eh Violet and Louis. Even Brody is borderline simplistic because of her 'girly' attitude, but it's fine. Hate to say it, but I'm slightly dissapointed. These personalities seem like something that should've been in S1, look at Larry, not TFS. It's just off.
Reanimated corpses eating each other for 4 years, has nothing on dealing with actual real world problems for about 7 years. Also I don't consider myself to be an activist when talking about a bad character like Gabe. Some characters are just bad, and people who you call "anti-gabe activist" are just pointing out another bad character from a fictional story. So does this makes you a "pro-gabe activist" because you like the character? Of course not, that's just ridiculous. All I remember of Gabe is when something bad happens he would whine about it or run away. Nothing was rememberable or redeemable about him as far as I'm concerned. Whereas you got Ben who did a lot of whining as well. But he acknowledged his flaws and never stopped trying to help, even at the very end. Ben even told Lee to drop him, just to help save everyone. Ben is both rememberable and redeemable. Even if people disliked him, he was still a good character. I would also like to disagree about most people being like gabe in a crisis situation. I'd say a lot of people would be more like a Ben then a Gabe.
For a kid growing up in the apocalypse, he sure didn’t act any different from the shitbirds we have today. He never did anything right.I give Ben a pass because it was still early in the apocalypse and nobody was really teaching him anything or guiding him.
That's more or less my thoughts on him.
That's...a suprisingly accurate and interesting way of putting it.
Sarah is useless lol. Seriously she's no help to anyone
That’s not fair, she did help in getting Reggie and her own father killed.
Akin to a Vietnam flashback, just reading his name throws me into a feverish dream where I see his dumb hat and stupid cards and hear his whiny voice and I just stand there petrified as he rats me out for saving his skin in that Conrad situatuon. I'd say I'm at a 10 too.
i hated gabe so damn much. i wish there was an option to kill him with the bat instead of a gun.
"i'm sorry buddy"
whack
"this hurts me more than it hurts you"
whack
"say hi to david for me"
whack whack whack
Lmao, wow
Why everyone is against Gabe for being a kid? Clem done some immature or rash stuff ,too because she is a kid.
1. Drugs a baby with unknown drugs against a doctor's advice( determinant)(season3)
2. Shoots a unarmed man in a fit to prove a point.(season3)
3. Tries running in bondage to save Walter when there are people with AK's in the room.(season 2)
4. trusting the stranger.(season1)
5. She fails to teach AJ basic morals even-though she has been with him for 4-6 years. (season 3)
6. Slaps Ava.(determinant)
7. Kills Lingaurd, her "friend".(determinant)
uhhh, Ava helped David abduct AJ. If I her Clem, the slap would've been to Ava's face.
So? At least he was asking for it.
Didn't she know the vancomycin could him?
Remember the golden rule? If Clem does some Gabey shit it doesn't matter because it’s Clem, but if Gabe does it we need to roast the hell out of him.
Ava was the only person trying to help Clem.She's the one that found her in the first place. All she was trying to do is give her food and check up on her. She didn't have to hunt her down and give her AJ's picture either.
Lingaurd is high as hell and isn't in the right state of mind to tell you to kill him in season3. In the final episode of season 3 he tells Clem that was wrong for him to do. But it isn't the lack of consent that makes it bad, it the manner how it's done. In the manner that Clem stabs Linguard,(determinant) she stabs him in rage like " you wasted my time" type fit while Javi does it more subtle.
And the vancomycin is noted to Clem that it would only make AJ feel better but not cure him. She didn't sanitize the injection site and shoots it with out removing AJ's clothing. She doesn't even know the amount of dose to use. She could've OD'd AJ.
So she was supposed to let him live the rest of his days feeling ill? She was right to steal the medicine
Yeah, but I didn't see any alcohol pads in that med kit she could've used
Well now that might've been for the best, what with him being a murdering machine and all....
LOL. The last point of him being a murder I cant argue.
While I'll agree the Clem trusting the stranger in S1 was stupid, I'll also agree Gabe is about as intelligent and competent as a 9 year old. Literally everything else you've listed takes place in ANF, which just adds to how horribly every character was written and handled, or was determinant. Not sure when she tried to save Walter. She tries to save Alvin. Which is determinant. Actually, I think it's double determinant, you have to choose to surrender instead of going for Kenny, then choose protect Alvin. So that ones on the player choosing.
I love how it even happens literally right after Javier took a knife to the stomach to protect him, as result of his very own screw up. Do you remember that? ...The kid might actually be worse than Ben.
That was one thing that did irk me as well. The fact that people argue that Gabe is oh so relatable, really on proves how terrible he is. Apparently, if the apocalypse started tomorrow all the teenagers in the world would act and be as competent as Gabe, who we're lead to believe has survived 4 years. Seriously, how is "he's just like us!" a good defense of a character who's been surviving for 4 years in after watching it fall apart? It's honestly humorous that this kid who's living in the back of a van fleeing the undead for 4 years has all the same problems as your everyday kid who's living in society and yelling at their mother for making meatloaf again. And apparently, he's just as useless.
Honestly, playing through S1 again after experiencing Gabe made me appreciate Ben much more. At least he made some progress. He grew a spine and owned up to what he did, asked Lee not to risk his life after admitting his guilt over Katja and Ducks deaths, and if you keep him alive he finally stops taking all the abuse like a timid child and tells Kenny off. Gabe starts the season whining about the void in his heart, stabbing a dead body like crazed psycho because he wants to be a man already, then gets slapped by daddy and obediently obeys when he tells him to leave the people who've taken care of him for 4 years. The only bright spot this character has is if you let him die, because at least he finally mans up and wants to do it himself to spare his uncle from having to. I did it anyway, but still, it was the first time he's shown he's capable of doing anything on his own. And you need to make very specific choices to ensure even that happens, none of which actually concern any interactions with him, or are even choices made by a Garcia. Him being this far into TWD and still behaving like he was watching YouTube a week ago was bad character design, him never actually having any meaningful development or arc was terrible character progression.
I don't know why the writers messed up Gabe's character in the first place. I just gotta ask why he had to be scared all the time (including when Eleanor was doing surgery on Kate). I mean the writers should know that in The Walking Dead Universe, after four years a 13 year old kid should be a badass. Because they made Clementine do the dangerous stuff but held Gabe and Mari out. I remember Job Stauffer (don't know if I spelled his name right) , the guy who used to work at Telltale but not anymore, responding to one of the questions asked about Gabe and why he was always scared. His answer was that he was stuck in a van for four years and had that he was never in any danger. Well first of all there's no way Gabe and his family would be stuck in the same van for four years. And even if he did, he would be exposed to the danger and he would be killing walkers. In episode 1 of a New Frontier, Javier can tell Clementine that Gabe and Mari are both experienced survivors. All Javier tells Mari is to hide in a car and lock herself in. And Gabe does know how to shoot and kill walkers so why didn't the writers make him do that along with the rest of the group? Gabe had potential, but the writers seemed to destroy that potential. I blame the writers more then Gabe at this point.
Agreed. I am of the same opinion.
The general idea is that the Garcia's never had quite as dire a close call as Badger's crew brought upon them. And even in the instances where they did(ex.the bullet holes and wooden reinforcement on the van), they weren't as bad as facing against legitimate soldiers with a grudge.
And one thing that's surprisingly understated is that fact that he was almost as courageous in one of it's slightly purer forms as he was determined. All those early instances where he was afraid had him face the situation, fight, and even risk his life in dealing with them. So if anything, one of Gabe's real problems was that he could be stubborn & sometimes neglected to think things through when he's riled up and some of those early instances aren't really instances of that.
They did. Part 2 in particular had him doing so.
Sounds like they wanted him to act like his dad, but they executed his stubborness poorly imo.
...I mean, sort of. He did really look up to and respect him, after all..
I like Gabe. I purposely went back and changed a past decision so he, Javier and Kate could all be alive at the end.
is that possible, I only played through that season 1 time. Can you save gabe from death?
Yes. If Javier and Clementine goes to save him and David he won't die