Which Is More Renowned: the Original S2 Story or the Original S3 Story?
It seems like the original S2 and S3 stories are highly desired by fans. I think I can confidently say a majority of us would love to possess in some way those two story lines. Of these famously mysterious stories, which one do you think is the more sought after one? I personally believe S3 is the one due to ANF's under performance and the famous slaughterhouse alone. Tell me what you think. This should lead to some interesting discussion while we wait for TFS news from SkyBound.
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I mean, in terms of more "sought after," probably Season 3. Being told you couldn't have something or other can [over]inflate the demand and envisioning of it, no matter how miniscule it may be.
I hate that they changed both games really and even took out some good parts of season one. Like the Lee nightmare sequence where he feels guilt and tormented for choosing one or the other to save regarding Doug/Carly.
Personally I'd like to have experienced the unadulterated season 3's story because as you've said it turned out to be the weakest in series already. Although pretty much every series has their weak point or worst season I'd say. Most would agree that season two of the television series is worst or possibly season seven.
I'd choose Season 2.
It seems like they wanted to go with a much darker story and I would have loved that in the TWD universe.
The scrapped soundtrack, Episode 4's original episode slide and Episode 5's scrapped name (Better To Sleep) make me wish we had the original story.
Listen to this
Thats what s2 was supposed to feel like
I think for me, it's tied. I feel like the original stories for S2 and ANF would've ended up keeping TTG afloat for being as good as S1 and TFS.
S3 had so much more potential especially with what it appeared S3 would have initially been.
jesus thats... something
Personally, I have more reason to invest in Season 2's original plot since a. there's actually quite a fair bit of it remaining in the released product, b. there's so much more beyond a starting premise, and c. it actually had a decent idea of where it was going to end.
I really dig the atmosphere and dark vibe S2’s menu gives off. Such a shame the final product didn’t match up with it.
wasnt an ending gonna be leave baby aj to die
I would rather have Season 3's real story. Season 2 was ok half way and then the other half felt lacking, but ANF was awful the whole way through.
I think leaving him was an option. I forget where this was said/confirmed though.
The Snyder-Cut.
The Vanaman-Cut
Add that to the fact that the episode was called Better to Sleep...it was gonna be something on P.T. level of disturbing
I wish I knew what the original stories were going to be. I've read a few things about ANF, but have no idea what changes were made to S2.
The general outlines and initial concepts include
Wow. That sounds like such a different story than the one we got. Lots to take in there. Thanks for taking the time to write that all out.
Eh, not completely. A lot the same characters were still involved, with Sarita recently being revealed to have actually existed in some early form by Gavin Hammon. It's just that those things ended up not being as important and/or developed as they were originally intended to be.
You're welcome.
In that shot would have been a distant silhouette of Clem holding AJ
S3s. Honestly, I had no problem with S2 and hadn't met anyone who did until I came here. Apparently it was supposed to be darker because the people in the slide for episode 4 were a blood wearing cult or whatever, there's probably a baby sacrifice decision in episode 5 or something, I don't particularly care. ANF, on the other hand, I knew one person that played it at launch and he stopped halfway through the first episode, the other people I knew who followed the series decided to wait after TT wouldn't shut up about Javiers story and wanted to see whether or not it was an actual entry. They all skipped it.
Considering the general attitude towards it here, and the fact that before the final episode was even released it had more negative reviews among steam accounts that purchased it than S2 had over 2 years, and has long since passed the negative reviews of the 6 year old first season, I imagine the original story for ANF would be more interesting for folks than what we have now, because damn, something went very, very wrong.
Interesting comments above. For me, it would be the S3 story. S2 was a fine story to me; it just needed an extra episode to fully flesh out the story. S3 on the other hand was a completely different game during the pre-season build up. Some time between the first teaser and the official trailer, there was a massive rewrite. The rewrite was so massive that a few of the released game stills and promotional pictures became irrelevant. S2 was a toned down version of its original story. S3 was a completely different monster compared to its original story.
I've heard they rewrote the entire game in July 2016 or something and we got Michonne instead,wouldn't surprise me honestly.
Here it is.
Ah, that’s the good shit
I only wish we could have seen just how dark Season 2 could have been. I like Season 2 but Episode 5 could have used the most work.
But stories can have amazing premises but sloppy execution. S1 and to a lesser extent, TFS, have all these special details and the amount of thought/creative features (I don't mean game features, but story features) in that game just makes them so astonishing. Even to this day, new details are coming out for S1.
I really wish they would've went darker with Season 2. The first half feels really dark and then the second half feels like a jumbled mess. Better To Sleep would've been the best episode had they stuck with the original plan.
Why does everyone think that dark = a masterpiece?
Because.
It was a goofy crayon parody someone did of ANF after the premiere.
...But where did you find it?
Meme thread, from around that time.
Again, it's a parody of the game's cover and I just focused on Kate for this gravatar.
I don't think everyone thinks dark equates to an automatic masterpiece. However, it is supposed to be an apocalyptic world where all governing bodies (at least in the US) have collapsed and reanimated corpses are walking around biting and infecting the human race. Stories of human survival and varying morals should be prevalent in this fictitious universe. As a result, the heavier stories would naturally be dark.
With that said and to agree with you, just being dark for dark's sake doesn't equate a masterpiece. There are plenty of forms of media that are dark and aren't masterpieces. For my limited knowledge, some of the comic's war arc isn't perfect. The darker themed DC movies aren't masterpieces. I'm sure I can come up with more examples.
So, I think it's more of people want a story whose darkness matches the universe it is in.
I wonder how this slide would’ve looked like in the final game, had they stuck with it. Considering each episode slide in S2 actually contained each characters model.
I've heard so many times what the original stories were meant to be but rarely mean anything in substance. Can someone fill me in a bit on each?
Double post Ignore this comment.
Original anf story:
Before Michonne and S3 started development
-The original story of the "miniseries" was "Javier"'s introduction(most likely wasn't his name at the time), the plot was about escaping his captors, sneaking around abandoned factories and sewers. This got scrapped to hell and they made Michonne instead, absolutely nothing of this bled into the development of S3 so don't even take this one seriously.
Original S3
-Super dark story, played more as an actual TWD story that expanded the TWD universe. Instead it got rewritten into this family bullshit.
-The Clem and Javier relationship already started as friends on equal levels, they still butted heads when figuring out ways how to deal with shit, there was none of this "Clem is distrustful" bullshit. Clem acted more as a "mentor" to Javier.
-The villain was a Carver-like villain
-"The New Frontier" were actually called "The Marauders", the little I know about their purpose is that they wanted to establish themselves as a new world order so they enslaved people to take over territory. Their base of operations was a farm called "Capricorn Farms", this is where the capricorn zodiac symbol branding comes from, they had a Slaughterhouse that served as a prison for torture and to store up walkers. You can see the farm's building in the first poster of S3 https://puu.sh/vFeYV/3d5f69975b.jpg zoom in on the building and you can read the farm's name. For some reason that building can be found in the game files as unused content http://puu.sh/vFf5l/6b56e045b7.jpg, same goes for the Slaughterhouse http://puu.sh/vFg6c/a2d21f14a1.jpg
-The game was set in Texas.
-Clem's and Javier's motivations were revenge, they wanted to rescue AJ and Mariana.
-Mariana was Javier's sister.
-Kate and David didn't exist.
The original description they had on their site was this:
"A harrowing and horrific drama. Play as both Javier and Clementine as they confront the new rules of order and justice in a land being brutally reclaimed and rediscovered by what’s left of humanity itself."
"A teenage Clementine and a new survivor named Javier, are brought together when a new threat worse than the dead arises."
-All of this got fully rewritten somewhere in July 2016.
https://amp.reddit.com/r/TheWalkingDeadGame/comments/693d15/i_wonder_whats_on_javis_neck/dh47vg6/
Son of a goddamn!
Oh no, the family was obvious always a factor in there. Hence the E3 teaser and one of the bullet points further down(which I'll get to).
Still kinda glad they didn't go with that if true, honestly.
His name was Mason and his model was recycled for Doctor Lingard after he was cut for whatever reason.
Quesion: Where did this come from originally?
Cause I definitely remember @RavenSnowstorm and @BetterToSleep going on and on about it back around the time the Twitter screenshots went up.
There were a number of things suggesting that was originally the case, yes.
What's funny about that is that Mariana was intended to die fairly early on in development, so that really must've been the original idea.
That makes a little bit sense given what we know now(though I was in the lifeboat who thought she might've been his daughter initially), but I can sorta understand why they changed it.
Waitaminute, now, I thought ya'll said it was Gabe and David who didn't exist?
I mean, it's still half wrong anyway, but that's a suspicious deviation from what's been said here.
Um, they quoted the Reddit comment.
You know that, right?