F*** Kenny

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  • CapnJayCapnJay Banned
    edited July 2012
    Kenny needs an serious ass kicking
  • edited July 2012
    I agree with DK. Kenny is garbage. I have given him the benefit of the doubt when it came to saving Duck the first time and even when Larry said he was bit, but as I kept going I noticed more and more he is just out for himself and his family. Deep down I didn't blame him until he killed Larry right in front of Clem with out a second thought. Then just runs off with out even thinking about anyone else or what he could be rushing into. In my game he just sat there in the stall as I was about to get shot with this oh God I am next look. Man F him. I don't care if he has a boat. I am sure if I make it to the boat with him he will sacrifice me the first chance he gets.
  • edited July 2012
    Necrosoul wrote: »
    I agree with DK. Kenny is garbage. I have given him the benefit of the doubt when it came to saving Duck the first time and even when Larry said he was bit, but as I kept going I noticed more and more he is just out for himself and his family. Deep down I didn't blame him until he killed Larry right in front of Clem with out a second thought. Then just runs off with out even thinking about anyone else or what he could be rushing into. In my game he just sat there in the stall as I was about to get shot with this oh God I am next look. Man F him. I don't care if he has a boat. I am sure if I make it to the boat with him he will sacrifice me the first chance he gets.

    im certain at this point that even with his boat, he wouldn't let anyone besides his family use it.
  • CapnJayCapnJay Banned
    edited July 2012
    He'll pull a larry and let clem on then punch lee in the face
  • edited July 2012
    One thing I will say that is MOST revealing about Kenny's character versus Larry's...

    Even if you choose to completely side with Larry about killing Kenny's kid, Kenny still comes back to save your life. Larry STILL tries to kill you, despite you agreeing with him and then saving his life by getting into the pharmacy.
  • edited July 2012
    One thing I will say that is MOST revealing about Kenny's character versus Larry's...

    Even if you choose to completely side with Larry about killing Kenny's kid, Kenny still comes back to save your life. Larry STILL tries to kill you, despite you agreeing with him and then saving his life by getting into the pharmacy.

    In the other hand, even if you side with Kenny the whole time he will turn against you and even let you to be killed if you don’t agree with his position to kill Larry without a second thought.

    I other words, until this point don’t matter what happens, you can’t count that [at least] this characters will consider the past before turning on you.
  • edited July 2012
    TMLC wrote: »
    In the other hand, even if you side with Kenny the whole time he will turn against you and even let you to be killed if you don’t agree with his position to kill Larry without a second thought.

    exactly, i'll probably never side with kenny again after the stunt he pulled. murdering someone that i had revived, only to get pissy that i didn't agree with him.
  • edited July 2012
    Huh...I didn't really think he was any more of a dick than Larry/Lilly and the whole lot. Okay, so "killing" Larry in front of his daughter wasn't the wisest idea but Larry was king of the dicksacks and seeking revenge on the guy that suggested that you kill his son seems like a pretty typical response to me. He's a bit of a drama queen but very loyal to his family. Not bad qualities if you ask me.
  • edited July 2012
    He's a bit of a drama queen but very loyal to his family. Not bad qualities if you ask me.

    it is when you're not his family.
  • edited July 2012
    and how is he so loyal to his family? he probably went somewhere to hide while i went directly to the house to save his goddamn wife.
  • edited July 2012
    marcu5 wrote: »
    it is when you're not his family.

    True true. I sided with him totally throughout ep 1 + 2 because I couldn't stand Lilly/Larry so I guess that's why he's crazy side didn't pop out so much.
  • CapnJayCapnJay Banned
    edited July 2012
    I think TTG has a Trust noone Mentality

    Larry punched you out and left you for dead
    Duck killed shawn
    Kenny killed larry despite he could be revived [and was according to devs]
    Lily is sneaking rations for larry
    Mark is telling Larry what you said in private
    The St. Johns are Cannibals
  • edited July 2012
    TMLC wrote: »
    In the other hand, even if you side with Kenny the whole time he will turn against you and even let you to be killed if you don’t agree with his position to kill Larry without a second thought.

    I other words, until this point don’t matter what happens, you can’t count that [at least] this characters will consider the past before turning on you.

    Put yourself in Kenny's shoes. He saves your life at the drugstore because you have proven yourself to be an asset to their group, even without being loyal to him. When you choose to delay killing Larry (for some ill-perceived notion of maintaining strict morals), in his eyes, you are needlessly putting them all in danger. Why should he stick his neck out for someone who might end up getting him or his family killed?

    I don't think he killed Larry out of vengeance. This is why he smashes his head in, despite you making it clear that you won't back him up. He really feels that he is doing what is necessary to survive. He doesn't even sugarcoat it - walking back to motel, he flat out says that "we" killed Larry (I don't know if he talks to you or not if you side with Lily).

    Lily, on the other hand, is a spiteful witch. She stood there, with Clementine watching, and was going to let me die in front of everyone. Granted, I had just held her back while Kenny killed her father, but this is the same woman who didn't even want to help out my group that had two children in it in the first place. I think her loyalty is more questionable than Kenny's will ever be.
  • edited July 2012
    CapnJay wrote: »
    I think TTG has a Trust noone Mentality

    Larry punched you out and left you for dead
    Duck killed shawn
    Kenny killed larry despite he could be revived [and was according to devs]
    Lily is sneaking rations for larry
    Mark is telling Larry what you said in private
    The St. Johns are Cannibals

    That's the idea :p

    And now Lilly has no one, but... well her future is pretty well known... Holy crap
    If Kenny didn't do what he did to Larry and we could have saved him, then Lilly would have stayed with us and not go to Woodsburry, then she wouldn't have aided the governor and killed Lorri!

    Wait, that's a reason to like Kenny...
  • CapnJayCapnJay Banned
    edited July 2012
    Someone contacts ben and tells him his girlfriend is held hostage unless he Lures Lee to an ambush point. Ben does it and then it turns out Bens GF was working with the hostage takers and they want to Lynch Lee and Doug or Carley comes to save him Doug with technology Carley with shooting the noose off
  • edited July 2012
    Sisterofshane, I’m trying to put myself into Kenny’s shoes. That’s why I not saying that he was a bloodthirsty killer. He had a good point about why to kill Larry and if the reanimation process failed I would be 100% with him. But you must at least try.

    And in fact, that’s not my problem with him. The real problem is that I’m the guy whom saved his kid at the farm. The guy that has defended his kid at the drugstore. The guy that defended and supported him after the farm incident. The guy that has been sharing information with him and that fed his son at the two opportunities that have been presented.

    The only thing I said was that we could try to save Larry before smashing his head (you may call that a “ill-perceived notion of maintaining strict morals”, but I consider it a correct position in a society; especially when civilization seems to be falling apart) and that was enough for him to forget all the things I have done for him and his family.

    All our friendship had gone to hell (at least from his point of view) just because I didn’t agreed with him about killing a guy that could be saved (it was a risk, but in the worst scenario we would still be able to kill him).

    And not only this, but also leaved me to die while I was trying to help him save his family.

    Lilly is surely not perfect (no one here is saying that anyone is, by the way), but until now she had stood for the group. If she doesn’t help you when you side with Kenny is because you had just killed her father while, in the other hand, Kenny does it just because you didn’t agreed with him immediately (no matter if you have always helped him and, after that point, continued trying to help despite the circumstances).
  • CapnJayCapnJay Banned
    edited July 2012
    TTG messed up with Kenny it feels like a Slider game where Kennys slider just automatically shifts to the other side
  • edited July 2012
    CapnJay wrote: »
    TTG messed up with Kenny it feels like a Slider game where Kennys slider just automatically shifts to the other side

    I guess the question is whether that's a character trait or a mistake by TTG for making him too far one way or the other.
  • edited July 2012
    pdlbean wrote: »
    I guess the question is whether that's a character trait or a mistake by TTG for making him too far one way or the other.

    Considering the way he reacts when you try to reason with Larry at the first episode I think this may be just the way he is. But, at least until that point, he had been able to recognize later what you have done for him.
  • CapnJayCapnJay Banned
    edited July 2012
    I REEEEEEEEEEEALLLLLLY hope that in EP3 when my duck saving larry threatening duck feeding kenny feeding Lee is confronted by Kenny for not siding to kill Larry that he Goes off on like

    "Listen up you son of a bitch! I have helped you and your family all the time i protected him from larry and saved him from the walkers I fed him and you! I even told Lily you were right but Your selfish racist ass thought I could pick a lock cause im black and then to top it off when I tried to give Larry the same chance I gave Duck and you treat me like i betrayed you. You want to be a fair weather friend then go ahead and you can fuck yourself while your at it!"
  • edited July 2012
    All I know is. If Kenny does end up dieing I demand the achieve "Oh my god, they killed Kenny!"
  • CapnJayCapnJay Banned
    edited July 2012
    Oh hell yes to that
  • edited July 2012
    @TMLC, I didn't jump right away on killing Larry either. However, it's not like I didn't give Lily ample time to try to save him. Eventually I decided that it was too risky to continue to try, especially given how quick it takes someone to turn into a walker after death. There is no guarantee that, once Larry actually dies, that we will be able to contain him before he hurts someone. In fact, should he turn, I can guarantee that SOMEONE would have gotten hurt trying to stop him, and we can't afford to be injured when we still have to rescue Katjaa and Duck and escape from the farm.

    And when I said "ill-percieved", I was specifically referencing the "strict" part of strict morals. We are now living in the apocalypse. I don't think we are giving ourselves the best chance to survive if we remain completely rigid to a moral code that evolved from our species being the dominant one on Earth.

    Do not confuse this with abandoning all morals - I will always put the women and children first, because if we aren't fighting for them, then we have no future. I also believe we should try to help as many people as possible, as opposed to devolving to killing others for scraps of food, or eating people.

    Besides, I don't interpret Lily's or Larry's actions as those of trying to protect the group. To me they come off as putting their own survival above everyone else, and they don't even try to integrate into the group, like Lee and Kenny have.

    Besides, no matter if you wait until he's fully dead or kill him now, it is never going to be enough time for Lily to grieve. I can empathize with her, but I can also understand how Kenny will not let her emotional needs (nor my needs for moral fulfillment) jeopardize anyone else, including both Lee and Lily.

    Kenny may not always act like the hero, but he is certainly not going to waste his time and risk his life for someone who doesn't put the safety of the entire group first. He may be mad at you now (if you chose to try to save Larry), but given time and cooler tempers, it should be possible to salvage the relationship. The point when you try, and he rejects you, is when you should write Kenny off as a total loss.
  • edited July 2012
    marcu5 wrote: »
    it is when you're not his family.

    Lol. Yeah if your name isn't Duck or Katjaa you're screwed. I hated how he went all jerk mode after trying to revive Larry especially that little annoying part where he blurts out " hurry the F--k up lee" when you're trying to take the screws out of the air conditioner. I was like "yup someone is really letting their true colors show, aren't they?"
  • edited July 2012
    And keep in mind (because i forgot to add this to my previous post) that i was pro kenny all the way until that part.
  • edited July 2012
    I don't see why Kenny shouldn't emphasize the importance of that decision in the meat locker. It's a decision where failing to back him up will endanger his family in ways more direct and immediate than any other so far. Without thinking it may seem Kenny's just concerned about himself getting trapped in the meat locker with a zombie, but one has to remember his family has been abducted into the house and is probably in immediate danger, and Kenny'll be thinking to himself: "If I don't save them, who will?". He might even have been concerned for Lee's and Clementine's safety as well, considering I've sided with him most of the time.

    In any event, failure to back him up immediately and without thinking would be betraying him in a moment of dire need, no matter how reasonably you could explain your decision to him afterwards. It's hard to rebuild trust from that, especially considering you wouldn't even be alive anymore without Kenny.

    Kenny and Lilly are clearly two counterparts as characters. Let's see which one Lee and the rest of the group would be better off without:

    Kenny will so far have saved you twice regardless your choices: once by giving you a lift off Hershel's farm (I presume you would otherwise have been forced to walk through the zombie-infested countryside without any food or water), and again at the drug store, which brings me to Lilly; she won't necessarily ever save you (in my playthrough she didn't) but instead her dad, who clearly wouldn't be in the group if she wasn't, either, has tried to kill Lee once.

    Lilly and Kenny have constant disputes over the leadership of the group, and perhaps my only critique towards Kenny is that he's letting Lilly run things most of the time. Lilly's dad seems as though he ate as much as Kenny's whole family when there still was a lot of food available, and Lilly's rationing, though necessary in the situation they actually ended up in, would've been unnecessary if she and Larry hadn't been there in the first place. I also can't help but get the impression Lilly (due to her rationing) seems to be content with the group sitting on their arses slowly starving to death, while Kenny would at this point probably seek a new base for the group with more food supplies, or at least prepare expeditions to scavenge food from further away than the nearby forest.

    And finally, at the dairy farm: Kenny is instantly suspicious and the only one in the group taking initiative to find out what's fishy with the farm (which, as we all know, turns out to be quite a lot), while Lilly calls him paranoid but is just as suspicious herself, and just wants to leave asap.This would actually have been a valid course of action considering what happened, but probably impossible to conduct due to the fate of Mark. Kenny on the other hand arouses Lee's suspicions as well, which eventually causes Lee to investigate Mark's missing from the dinner. In the meat locker, Kenny actively seeks a way out while Lilly is, once again (drugstore dejavu) busy with her useless father.

    For these reasons, I will keep having Kenny's back whenever I can and get rid of Lilly at the first available opportunity. She's far too whiny to lead the group, has no special qualities and is just all-round unlikable.
  • edited July 2012
    Darcside wrote: »
    Lol. Yeah if your name isn't Duck or Katjaa you're screwed. I hated how he went all jerk mode after trying to revive Larry especially that little annoying part where he blurts out " hurry the F--k up lee" when you're trying to take the screws out of the air conditioner. I was like "yup someone is really letting their true colors show, aren't they?"

    when he told me to "hurry the f--k up"

    i really wanted to wanted an "eat a dick!" response.

    and when lily asked me if i wanted to "loot" her fathers corpse. i wish lee responded a little more aggressively. a lot of what pisses me off about this game is how ungrateful people are towards me (regardless of what choices i made)

    i didn't even want to go to the damn dairy but they still blamed me for everything like it was my idea.
  • edited July 2012
    Sisterofshane,

    I think we are, at least partially, in a violent agreement here. Both of us agree that Kenny had a point about the danger of letting Larry turns into a walker, that was necessary to at least try to save Larry (unfortunately, the options of conversation don’t let you try this middle ground) and that no waiting time would be enough to please Lilly (at least not until her father starts attacking us).

    The big problem is Kenny’s posture after that. He may not be willing to die for someone who “doesn't put the safety of the entire group first” (like himself, for example), but he abandon the person always tried to defend him and his family and that even after what happened inside the meat locker was still trying to help him.

    He might be very angry at that point, but that is a very stupid thing. If he do something to salvage the relationship… ok. I’m not discarding him as a total loss yet, but it became difficult to fully trust him after that.
  • edited July 2012
    (...)
    About the moral part, I still think that try to save Larry isn’t a part of a moral code that should be abandoned. I’m not saying this should not be considered (I also posted that I would like to have the option to tell Kenny to be with that block right over Larry’s head just in case), but I would not do it as a first recourse like Kenny did.

    But surely some things are lost on the way. As an example, I’m not pro death penalty, but under that circumstances I would had voted to kill those brothers (if they wasn’t kill by the walkers). Or, as another example, I wouldn't have thought twice before taking the supplies from that car (but would had offered shelter if the owners had appeared; something that I’m sure Lilly, and possibly Kenny, would have opposed).

    Do you understand my point? Kenny is not exactly a bad person because of killing Larry. The problem is how he reacted later.
  • edited July 2012
    @TMLC, I completely understand your point of view, but I approach it a little differently because I have always tried to remain neutral between the Kenny/Lilly & Larry disputes. (I always intervene when I need to though, such as NOT letting Larry try to kill Duck, or killing Larry when I felt it was necessary). Kenny makes it very clear that he and Lily are never going to get along, and that it would be in Lee's best interest to choose a side (I saw this as a big narrative clue for things to come). So in my game, had I sided with Lily, I could see why Kenny would have reacted the way he did - it would have been a total betrayal, on top of placing everyone in danger.

    I do understand where you are coming from, however.
  • edited July 2012
    Great. So I think we got there. More than this I think we cannot do. :)

    That’s up to Lee and Kenny to get along (or not, if you sided with Kenny in the first place) or at least understand each other. Are you reading this TT people? Make it at least a possible outcome! ;)

    It only depends on Kenny’s capabilities to calm down or, what is more likely, on Ducks ability to get in danger again so Lee may risk himself to save him. :p
  • edited July 2012
    It seems like staying neutral is a bad thing in this world. The "us against them" mentality is a little bit tiring. :(
  • CapnJayCapnJay Banned
    edited July 2012
    i am actually glad kennys a dick now i can do a brand new playthrough with the barn smells like shit shawn side with larry etc
  • edited July 2012
    I hate Kenny now.

    Definitely bothers me that everyone treats you like it's your fault they went to the dairy when you try everything you can to PREVENT it from happening. (I literally chose silence or the change subject approach, or the direct information-gathering approach for everything involving the dairy and the brothers.) I voted against going, kept silent when the brothers questioned me, and agreed with anyone who said we should just leave.

    Love the game, but TellTale doesn't really appear to be putting our decisions in to play just yet..They seem to be very minor things. It feels on rails so far, but that's off topic.
  • edited July 2012
    I dunno. Even if I no longer trust Kenny with my own life (it's possible I may be forced into that situation), I have got to do what is best for Clementine. I think that Kenny will be a better bet for taking care of Clem than Lily would (who wouldn't even run out to save her from Walkers when she was safely inside the drugstore).

    If it means that I have to support Kenny in a morally gray situation where he makes a brash decision, so be it.
  • edited July 2012
    If it means that I have to support Kenny in a morally gray situation where he makes a brash decision, so be it.

    Yeah he mad a brash decision, but he was a total asshole about it later, even after saving his family.

    And I'd trust Lily over Kenny as of now. Lily doesn't like inviting new people in, but Clem isn't a stranger to her anymore.
  • CapnJayCapnJay Banned
    edited July 2012
    im playing through my "i'd never make those choices" save where i side with larry in ep 1 and say shit to clem and everything else i can
  • edited July 2012
    CapnJay wrote: »
    im playing through my "i'd never make those choices" save where i side with larry in ep 1 and say shit to clem and everything else i can

    That's my 3rd save. I wish i was an ass to Kenny in my main play through.
  • edited July 2012
    trd84 wrote: »
    Yeah he mad a brash decision, but he was a total asshole about it later, even after saving his family.

    And I'd trust Lily over Kenny as of now. Lily doesn't like inviting new people in, but Clem isn't a stranger to her anymore.

    And like I said, I may not trust Kenny with my life, but he makes it clear he puts the kids ahead of himself. Even if my death was the direct result of his actions, I know that he would take Clem in and take care of her the way he takes care of Duck.

    Lily showed me that she tended to put her Dad ahead of everyone else, even the children, even once she's gotten to know them over the course of three months (Kenny always refuses the food unless you have fed Duck first, Lily could care less). Her Dad also puts himself ahead of other people, even his daughter (forget that he feigns self-righteousness when he tries to leave Lee behind at the drug store, the Man complained that he didn't get fed even though I fed the children and his own daughter - SELFISH). And we all know what they say about apples and trees...
  • CapnJayCapnJay Banned
    edited July 2012
    ok heres one more thing NOBODY seems to have mentioned from episode 1


    "i'm a commercial fisherman , Mackerel , Dolphin whatever's biting and paying"
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