I haven't read the entire thread (it's pretty long), so I'm sorry if this leads to recursion. I agree with the sentiment of Fuck Kenny not because of his call (he made the right one, I just didn't want to be the bad guy), but because he later bragged that he was the one who made the tough calls.
After freezing during every major decision and only ever moving to save his son that one time, he has the balls to say that he makes the hard decisions? How does that even make sense? Shane made hard decisions and went the distance to keep others safe, Kenny does one thing right - with the tact of a capsized Mac Truck - and suddenly thinks he’s Savior of the Fucking Apocalypse? I’m gonna let them EAT YOU next chance I get.
Exactly. Him killing Larry was shocking for sure, but when he did a complete 180 on me and said "someone needs to have the balls to make the tough decisions....at least one of us do anyway" or something like that, that is what pissed me off. And then he hides the the damn stall when i'm about to be killed (at least im MY playthrough) just for disagreeing with him one time. That's when i said screw Kenny. And i had his back 100% up to that point.
You have fun on your boating adventure, with no drinking water, scurvy/beriberi/other nutritional diseases, guarantee the boat's there, and in one of the most densely populated regions in the country (i.e. where most of the zombies are gonna be).
You have fun on your boating adventure, with no drinking water, scurvy/beriberi/other nutritional diseases, guarantee the boat's there, and in one of the most densely populated regions in the country (i.e. where most of the zombies are gonna be).
most boats come with a water filter now. Just sayin'.
And scurvy just means you're an official pirate now.
most boats come with a water filter now. Just sayin'.
And scurvy just means you're an official pirate now.
It'd need to be a fairly high capacity system (since we're looking at a minimum of five people) and as such, a fairly large boat, in which case have fun getting potentially thousands of gallons of fuel to keep the boat running. Considering Kenny cruises around in a beat up pickup... I kinda doubt it.
There's also the issue of part damage/failure, etc. even if it has such a system (e.g. an RO system), you typically don't want to leave it inactive, which is what it's been for atleast three months (unless somebody ganked the boat, in which case it don't matter).
Nah, Scurvy just means bone pain, loose teeth/gum disease and ultimately death
Turns out Kennys Fishing Vessel is state of the art pristine condition constantly kept maintained by a loyal crew who temporarily docked away from the docks until they calmed down then sailed back in to wait for Kenny.
Kenny: I may drive a beat up truck and look and act like i have a lifetime supply of larry the cable guy preformance tickets. But I keep my boat Professional Grade.
the way i see it is that kenny will save his family no matter what, as long as you know that, you know how to manipulate the situation so that saving his family involves saving you and Clementine, i think he would actually sacrifice his life if he knew it would save his family (and if i just so happen to be there at the time he would save me ) but larry just seemed to want to kill everyone he was just trying to figure out reasons to kill, like the duck situation, and he was racist, so i automatically dont trust his moral compass and dont believe he is capable of complex rational thought, but i have heard country music ( i guess kenny is a fan) rednecks are alot more complicated than they make themselves out to be
the way i see it is that kenny will save his family no matter what, as long as you know that, you know how to manipulate the situation so that saving his family involves saving you and Clementine, i think he would actually sacrifice his life if he knew it would save his family (and if i just so happen to be there at the time he would save me ) but larry just seemed to want to kill everyone he was just trying to figure out reasons to kill, like the duck situation, and he was racist, so i automatically dont trust his moral compass and dont believe he is capable of complex rational thought, but i have heard country music ( i guess kenny is a fan) rednecks are alot more complicated than they make themselves out to be
I think that something like this would happen. Sort of like a last "heroic moment" if he does die.
the way i see it is that kenny will save his family no matter what, as long as you know that, you know how to manipulate the situation so that saving his family involves saving you and Clementine, i think he would actually sacrifice his life if he knew it would save his family (and if i just so happen to be there at the time he would save me ) but larry just seemed to want to kill everyone he was just trying to figure out reasons to kill, like the duck situation, and he was racist, so i automatically dont trust his moral compass and dont believe he is capable of complex rational thought, but i have heard country music ( i guess kenny is a fan) rednecks are alot more complicated than they make themselves out to be
i thought a black guy (Lee) saying he was racist meant that he was being racist all the time off camera in between episodes, i don't think that was a lie, and that is the real reason he hates you
i thought a black guy (Lee) saying he was racist meant that he was being racist all the time off camera in between episodes, i don't think that was a lie, and that is the real reason he hates you
That was clearly a lie based on the interactions afterwards, also clearly Larry is surprised by it. He hates you because you're a convicted murderer... Also, he's an asshole to EVERYONE, even Mark. Mark isn't black, now is he?
Just because it's an option doesn't mean it's true, just like all of the lies you could tell Hersey... You had Three dialog choices:
He thinks I'm dangerous (truth)
He's just looking out for his daughter (empathetic truth)
He's a racist (not established as true before, out of place, it's the lie option. I'm, like, 99.99999*repeating*% sure)
That was clearly a lie based on the interactions afterwards, also clearly Larry is surprised by it. He hates you because you're a convicted murderer... Also, he's an asshole to EVERYONE, even Mark. Mark isn't black, now is he?
Just because it's an option doesn't mean it's true, just like all of the lies you could tell Hersey... You had Three dialog choices:
He thinks I'm dangerous (truth)
He's just looking out for his daughter (empathetic truth)
He's a racist (not established as true before, out of place, it's the lie option. I'm, like, 99.99999*repeating*% sure)
i think Lee is just very tolerant of larrys racism so it may have been the first time he has been accused of racism, i think he is just a racist and an asshole, just because it wasn't obvious in the episode doesn't mean he wasnt and also if he was being blatantly racist all the time how would there be any dilemma in smashing his skull in, they wanted it to be a hard choice not a choice of good vs evil
i think Lee is just very tolerant of larrys racism so it may have been the first time he has been accused of racism, i think he is just a racist and an asshole, just because it wasn't obvious in the episode doesn't mean he wasnt and also if he was being blatantly racist all the time how would there be any dilemma in smashing his skull in, they wanted it to be a hard choice not a choice of good vs evil
I'll elaborate when I have it in me. Right now I don't have the patience in my for this.
The odds are that the people near the coast have already taken the boats and attempted to sail to other shores though, it's the same for Kenny's boat, someone would likely have already taken it (you don't need a key to start a boat).
Sorry, but you do need a key to start a boat. Maybe not a rowboat, or a small boat with an outboard motor, but any boat large enough for a small family to live aboard would be locked, and also require a key for the ignition. It would be easier to hotwire than a car, and most boat owners leave a key stashed in the boat anyway. Keys would likely also be stored in the Marina office.
Kenny is taking a risk in his assumption that his boat will still be there, but it's not out of the question.
Sorry, but you do need a key to start a boat. Maybe not a rowboat, or a small boat with an outboard motor, but any boat large enough for a small family to live aboard would be locked, and also require a key for the ignition. It would be easier to hotwire than a car, and most boat owners leave a key stashed in the boat anyway. Keys would likely also be stored in the Marina office.
Kenny is taking a risk in his assumption that his boat will still be there, but it's not out of the question.
Initially I was sympathetic towards Kenny however since Episode II he can go screw himself! Reasons be:
* Granted I chose Shawn, but I knew Kenny would save his boy HOWEVER he still didn't help me save Shawn
* Three months on and he still won't drop the fact that I just wanted to be sure Duck wasn't bitten!
* Apparently I am not welcome on his RV despite giving his kid sweeties at the Drug store however I still give his boy food a second time and get a maybe...
* He's so bloody argumentative... I get accused of 'sitting on the fence' when trying to keep peace
* He assumes because Lee's black that he can pick locks
* He then kills Larry before we even get a chance to help. Yeah he's an ass but it's better trying to save an extra pair of hands!
* I then get accused of not having his back (again) because I wouldn't kill infront of Clem
* He does F all to help in the barn except run off and potential get killed
* He seemingly doesn't care that I saved his life, his wifes twice and fed his boy twice...
adam86shadow, that's basically what happen with my first play, except with the difference that I saved Duck and not Shawn.
That's the reason cause I will never ever again tolerate his behavior. He's going to pay for betraying me.
P.S I want our thread to be top thread again so, well, say something
Sisterofshane, where are you? :P Say something that we will make us discuss is for another 10 pages :P
Let's discuss Kenny's behavior in the episode three trailer
Different depending on whether you sided with Lilly or Kenny in the meat locker. Also, Kenny thinks that he can "sort everything out" with the group. Sudden personality change?
Initially I was sympathetic towards Kenny however since Episode II he can go screw himself! Reasons be:
* Granted I chose Shawn, but I knew Kenny would save his boy HOWEVER he still didn't help me save Shawn
* Three months on and he still won't drop the fact that I just wanted to be sure Duck wasn't bitten!
* Apparently I am not welcome on his RV despite giving his kid sweeties at the Drug store however I still give his boy food a second time and get a maybe...
* He's so bloody argumentative... I get accused of 'sitting on the fence' when trying to keep peace
* He assumes because Lee's black that he can pick locks
* He then kills Larry before we even get a chance to help. Yeah he's an ass but it's better trying to save an extra pair of hands!
* I then get accused of not having his back (again) because I wouldn't kill infront of Clem
* He does F all to help in the barn except run off and potential get killed
* He seemingly doesn't care that I saved his life, his wifes twice and fed his boy twice...
You think too much that your action have impact. They don't. I did the exact opposite to Kenny. For example if you Chose to save Shawn and not duck, and then even say it was all Kennys fault that Shawn died he will still give you the ride without being mad. And then after Duck got MAYBE bitten if you go all balls and want to throw Duck out to the zombies etc later he will STILL save you after you got punched down etc.
None of your actions within the relationship actually matter as much as you seem to think. The exact same happens. Doesn'tmatter if you do 500 actions all in his favor, or do the complete opposite. The only thing that will change is a sentence every now and then during a scene, but all results stay the same. So it is not worth the hassle to try to side with Kenny.
If you do,you will essentially have to back up all 3 or otherwise theres always a reason why he could be against you. And like I said, it doesn't matter. Even if he DOES have a boat, he will mostly likely use it anyway regardless what you did the 500 times before. Or someone else will do something with the exact same result. Such as the Doug / Carley situation where no matter what you chose both do the identical moves just with minor tweaks to it (Doug use laserpointer instead gun, Carley just magically fixes the camcorder while they actually imply that Doug fixed it himself).
Making your decisions to actually matter in any way, shape or form seems to be too expensive as far as I heard.
Initially I was sympathetic towards Kenny however since Episode II he can go screw himself! Reasons be:
* Granted I chose Shawn, but I knew Kenny would save his boy HOWEVER he still didn't help me save Shawn
* Three months on and he still won't drop the fact that I just wanted to be sure Duck wasn't bitten!
* Apparently I am not welcome on his RV despite giving his kid sweeties at the Drug store however I still give his boy food a second time and get a maybe...
* He's so bloody argumentative... I get accused of 'sitting on the fence' when trying to keep peace
* He assumes because Lee's black that he can pick locks
* He then kills Larry before we even get a chance to help. Yeah he's an ass but it's better trying to save an extra pair of hands!
* I then get accused of not having his back (again) because I wouldn't kill infront of Clem
* He does F all to help in the barn except run off and potential get killed
* He seemingly doesn't care that I saved his life, his wifes twice and fed his boy twice...
the TTG writers really dropped the ball with kenny
at least give lee the option to confront kenny on his bs. i've saved his family more than he has and he has the nerve to show me disrespect?
It's easy to side with Kenny in the beginning because Larry is such an ass. But the hard/unpopular decisions usually pay off in these types of situations. My guess is that those of you that side with Lilly over Kenny will get a better payoff in the end than siding with Kenny. I cant bring myself to do it, however, solely because of Larry.
the TTG writers really dropped the ball with kenny
at least give lee the option to confront kenny on his bs. i've saved his family more than he has and he has the nerve to show me disrespect?
The fact that you think they dropped the ball probably just proves how well-written the character actually is, since he's provoking the desired response.
A lot of players seem to expect a lot of gratitude from people for the things they do, even when what they do goes against the character they expect gratitude from. If you don't have his back why do you think you should have his respect?
The fact that you think they dropped the ball probably just proves how well-written the character actually is, since he's provoking the desired response.
A lot of players seem to expect a lot of gratitude from people for the things they do, even when what they do goes against the character they expect gratitude from. If you don't have his back why do you think you should have his respect?
It's not Kenny's responses so much as the lack of response Lee gets in being able to call him out on stuff or beat people over the head with facts. I've made the same observation.
As the saying goes, "crap rolls downhill", and Lee's been getting a face full of it for like, two full episodes. That should change.
I told myself that I wouldn't do another playthrough until all episodes were out but after ep 2 I have decided to do another run with the sole purpose of treating Kenny like the piece of shit he is. It may not be my canonical playthrough but he has to pay for his cowardice somehow
Kenny is my best m8, how dare you speak of him like that, we look out for eachother all the time.
It's not Kenny's responses so much as the lack of response Lee gets in being able to call him out on stuff or beat people over the head with facts. I've made the same observation.
As the saying goes, "crap rolls downhill", and Lee's been getting a face full of it for like, two full episodes. That should change.
Ok good point. So if any of you had the chance to tell Kenny something what would it be?
I sided with Kenny almost all of the time, except in the meat locker. Even then I told him "you're not a bad guy, you just jumped the gun". The previews for episode 3 don't bode well for this.
Since Larry dies either way I doubt my decisions with Lilly really matter. At least I have Carley and Clem.
Next Episode Lee and Lily are going to be going at it like rabbits if carley isn't around if she is then lee and carley and lily. Even if Lily hates Lee it'll be angry sex. Because these people are so damn pent up.
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Exactly. Him killing Larry was shocking for sure, but when he did a complete 180 on me and said "someone needs to have the balls to make the tough decisions....at least one of us do anyway" or something like that, that is what pissed me off. And then he hides the the damn stall when i'm about to be killed (at least im MY playthrough) just for disagreeing with him one time. That's when i said screw Kenny. And i had his back 100% up to that point.
Something like this ^^^ hopefully.
Fixed
Oy i'm only cool with Kenny on my carley playthrough
You have fun on your boating adventure, with no drinking water, scurvy/beriberi/other nutritional diseases, guarantee the boat's there, and in one of the most densely populated regions in the country (i.e. where most of the zombies are gonna be).
most boats come with a water filter now. Just sayin'.
And scurvy just means you're an official pirate now.
It'd need to be a fairly high capacity system (since we're looking at a minimum of five people) and as such, a fairly large boat, in which case have fun getting potentially thousands of gallons of fuel to keep the boat running. Considering Kenny cruises around in a beat up pickup... I kinda doubt it.
There's also the issue of part damage/failure, etc. even if it has such a system (e.g. an RO system), you typically don't want to leave it inactive, which is what it's been for atleast three months (unless somebody ganked the boat, in which case it don't matter).
Nah, Scurvy just means bone pain, loose teeth/gum disease and ultimately death
Kenny: I may drive a beat up truck and look and act like i have a lifetime supply of larry the cable guy preformance tickets. But I keep my boat Professional Grade.
I think that something like this would happen. Sort of like a last "heroic moment" if he does die.
Larry's an asshole, not a racist... Just saying.
i thought a black guy (Lee) saying he was racist meant that he was being racist all the time off camera in between episodes, i don't think that was a lie, and that is the real reason he hates you
That was clearly a lie based on the interactions afterwards, also clearly Larry is surprised by it. He hates you because you're a convicted murderer... Also, he's an asshole to EVERYONE, even Mark. Mark isn't black, now is he?
Just because it's an option doesn't mean it's true, just like all of the lies you could tell Hersey... You had Three dialog choices:
He thinks I'm dangerous (truth)
He's just looking out for his daughter (empathetic truth)
He's a racist (not established as true before, out of place, it's the lie option. I'm, like, 99.99999*repeating*% sure)
i think Lee is just very tolerant of larrys racism so it may have been the first time he has been accused of racism, i think he is just a racist and an asshole, just because it wasn't obvious in the episode doesn't mean he wasnt and also if he was being blatantly racist all the time how would there be any dilemma in smashing his skull in, they wanted it to be a hard choice not a choice of good vs evil
I'll elaborate when I have it in me. Right now I don't have the patience in my for this.
Kenny is taking a risk in his assumption that his boat will still be there, but it's not out of the question.
Erm... so you've just agreed with me then.
* Granted I chose Shawn, but I knew Kenny would save his boy HOWEVER he still didn't help me save Shawn
* Three months on and he still won't drop the fact that I just wanted to be sure Duck wasn't bitten!
* Apparently I am not welcome on his RV despite giving his kid sweeties at the Drug store however I still give his boy food a second time and get a maybe...
* He's so bloody argumentative... I get accused of 'sitting on the fence' when trying to keep peace
* He assumes because Lee's black that he can pick locks
* He then kills Larry before we even get a chance to help. Yeah he's an ass but it's better trying to save an extra pair of hands!
* I then get accused of not having his back (again) because I wouldn't kill infront of Clem
* He does F all to help in the barn except run off and potential get killed
* He seemingly doesn't care that I saved his life, his wifes twice and fed his boy twice...
That's the reason cause I will never ever again tolerate his behavior. He's going to pay for betraying me.
P.S I want our thread to be top thread again so, well, say something
Sisterofshane, where are you? :P Say something that we will make us discuss is for another 10 pages :P
Different depending on whether you sided with Lilly or Kenny in the meat locker. Also, Kenny thinks that he can "sort everything out" with the group. Sudden personality change?
If you side with Kenny again in the meat locker, he says "I'm going to need you to back me up on this" AGAIN.
You think too much that your action have impact. They don't. I did the exact opposite to Kenny. For example if you Chose to save Shawn and not duck, and then even say it was all Kennys fault that Shawn died he will still give you the ride without being mad. And then after Duck got MAYBE bitten if you go all balls and want to throw Duck out to the zombies etc later he will STILL save you after you got punched down etc.
None of your actions within the relationship actually matter as much as you seem to think. The exact same happens. Doesn'tmatter if you do 500 actions all in his favor, or do the complete opposite. The only thing that will change is a sentence every now and then during a scene, but all results stay the same. So it is not worth the hassle to try to side with Kenny.
If you do,you will essentially have to back up all 3 or otherwise theres always a reason why he could be against you. And like I said, it doesn't matter. Even if he DOES have a boat, he will mostly likely use it anyway regardless what you did the 500 times before. Or someone else will do something with the exact same result. Such as the Doug / Carley situation where no matter what you chose both do the identical moves just with minor tweaks to it (Doug use laserpointer instead gun, Carley just magically fixes the camcorder while they actually imply that Doug fixed it himself).
Making your decisions to actually matter in any way, shape or form seems to be too expensive as far as I heard.
the TTG writers really dropped the ball with kenny
at least give lee the option to confront kenny on his bs. i've saved his family more than he has and he has the nerve to show me disrespect?
Ok, now I got that out of my system.
The fact that you think they dropped the ball probably just proves how well-written the character actually is, since he's provoking the desired response.
A lot of players seem to expect a lot of gratitude from people for the things they do, even when what they do goes against the character they expect gratitude from. If you don't have his back why do you think you should have his respect?
It's not Kenny's responses so much as the lack of response Lee gets in being able to call him out on stuff or beat people over the head with facts. I've made the same observation.
As the saying goes, "crap rolls downhill", and Lee's been getting a face full of it for like, two full episodes. That should change.
Kenny is my best m8, how dare you speak of him like that, we look out for eachother all the time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0E8L-6aCcQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=812s
Ok good point. So if any of you had the chance to tell Kenny something what would it be?
Since Larry dies either way I doubt my decisions with Lilly really matter. At least I have Carley and Clem.
Not that simple, you need someone with sailing expertise.
"I'M THE NAVIGATOR! Mermaid off the port bow!"
or worse Kenny and Kaatja blowing off steam
your welcome for the mental image