Poor Writing in season 2
So after playing episode 1 of season 2 i figured out the story is terrible and makes little sense, im going to point out some of the mistakes in the story that make it bad but you couldnt see them because of your low IQ:
Clem survived 16 months with christa-impossible, rick couldnt survive with much larger and more experienced group out in open, they were lacking supplies,and every place with food was pillaged already and there was no animals around also.
they cook some kind of squirrel almost 2 years after outbreak - this doesnt make any sense, animals are already dead,eaten-by people or zombies
they meet a dog- same as above,for the gods sake we had hunger and cannibalism explored in episode 2 of season 1 there wasnt even many birds around, mark with lee couldnt hunt anything, and it was what 3 months after apocalypse? makes no sense
Skipping almost 1,5 year ahead without exploring any past, and killing characters we were with whole this time straight ahead.
christa's baby's gone without even 1 line of text of what happened, maybe it got zombiefied inside of her? no lets skip it
new group gives clem (it seems like) cornflakes with yogurt to eat, its a poor texture, graphic bug or they have a big grocery shop in the basement but they dont.
2 years after outbreak they are still suprised about someone killing a zombie, be it kid or not
they go fishing when there is no fish (yes zombies can eat fish)
9.Who was gathering food and supplies for the whole group for whole this time? Luke and the old man? Luke is scared about clem bite, so hes must be totally afraid of zombies, and the old man got bit the first time few zombies came around him.
10.Alvin gives clem small box of juice for kids, 2 years after apocalypse in the middle of the forest,with even small city nowhere to be seen.
11.someone from season 1 going to show up in season 2- thats the worst idea, and it makes no sense at all, it seems like all characters are moving in the same direction, if kenny is going to be alive or holly im aficially giving this game 0 on metacritic.
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Poor writing? lol I think something is wrong with you. xD
Low IQ my ass. I think your the one with low IQ. And her Name is Molly not Holly.
Oh here we go...First time here and my first post and I already run into a one of those common posters who try to state his OPINION on writing of an episode as poor. And this is the first topic I ran into...I can tell this place is going to be fun.
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Your points aren't valid to me. I am not very knowledgeable about the geography of the USA, but I am aware that it is a big country and I am ready to bet that Rick's group survived somewhere else. Probably even far away from Clem and Christa. Also, a larger group needs more food than two people, one of which is a mere child.
Do you REALLY think ALL animals would be dead after only a year and 4 months? What would Kenny say to that? Oh right. "That's fucking stupid, Ben!" Humans have actively hunted animals forever and yet there still are animals around, aren't there? Not to mention that humans did so with tools and using their wits. Walkers just roam around and bite everything they can reach. Sure, some animals may die, but they would never be able to kill all. And with less and less SMART people around who could actually HUNT animals, there is no reason to believe they will ever go extinct.
Besides, no one said they won't go back and tell what happened in those 16 months. Clem could get some flashbacks, or tell her new survivors about it. There is no reason to assume we will never know what happened during all that time, yet. Same thing about her baby.
Why would zombies kill all fish? They can't swim. They could never REACH fish if the lake was deeper than their high. The only way they could kill the fish is if they walked into the lake en masse and thus give the fish no more room to live in.
Of course people would be afraid of zombies. They became their new natural enemy. Being afraid of danger is what keeps every living thing alive. And yes, there is nothing wrong with being surprised about the fact that a little girl managed to kill a walker twice the size of her on her own.
you are way too bitter about this for reasons I don't even know. Get outside, take a deep breath of fresh air and cool down your head a bit, please.
I wouldn't say poor writing.
The storytelling leaves something to be desired. Season 1 episode 1 was much better
I agree with you on one point and one point only- the time jump. I understand the game had to make Clementine older in order to make her a capable protagonist, but nevertheless, I didn't like the 3 month time jump in Season 1 and I certainly don't like the whooping 16+ month jump in this one. In both cases things happen that are never truly explained- meeting Mark in S1 and whatever happened to Christa's baby in S2.
Other than that, no, the episode isn't poorly written. You shouldn't bring extreme realism into a game that is about a zombie apocalypse. Because if you did, the apocalypse would have never spread that far. Zombies would get owned by the military and other armed forces, plus they can't take the head, the cold, plus you'd have to account for the amount of natural dangers they'd wander in- falling off cliffs, bridges, into rivers, lakes, etc. Plus every natural predator out there who have dead meat in their diet (of which there are plenty) would soon realize that freshly dead zombies are essentially free meal- far easier to take down than the usual prey, and thus, would help us cull their numbers. And last but not least, we're frigging humans. An 11 year old girl continuously reminds us throughout the episode that even she is smarter than any zombie, so I simply refuse to believe that humanity would be wiped out by brainless, slow moving corpses. But that's if you're being hyper realistic, which I'm not. So I just enjoy the game.
This I disagree with you 100%. If you're not patient or tolerant of the pace of that episode you can very easily dismiss the series as a whole because of how bad it appeared. At least with this one it pushes you right into things at a much better pace.
So far I think Season 2 is much much better than Season 1
Rick had a whole lot of bad luck. He rather accidentally stumbled into the zombie reservoirs, deathly murderers and crackpot lunatics than actually meeting anyone else. Also, maybe Christa WAS right in Season 1. Keep the group small, don't attract too much attention.
If we had to look for surviving animals, the sky and treetops would be the places to look.
Also depends on the woods, I think. I believe Clem and Christa would disagree with you when you call them lucky. Attempt to cook and eat a squirrel, you'll see what I mean.
That wasn't exactly excellent in this episode, but we'll see where this leads. I guess we'll get at least one flashback scene to explore what the fuck happened to Christa's baby. There WILL probably be some exploration of the past.
Interesting question where the milk comes from. If it WAS milk. Hey, they have a pregnant woman around!
2 year old cornflakes, however, absolutely not a problem.
If the entire population of earth has already become the heartless 'walking dead' Rick once proclaimed his group to be, we could consider the franchise to have ended.
Ever tried catching some with your cold zombie hands? And: can zombies swim?
Being afraid of zombies is good for survival.
If a large percentage of the world's population has died pretty instantly (especially in the cities), we could assume huge reservoirs of unused supplies to lie SOMEWHERE.
Well, probably. But have you ever considered it could be someone from Clem's last 16 months?
Only point(s) I have to agree are the time jump and kicking Christa out Kenny style.They could have at least given us some backstory about what was going on,not treat us as if we already know what was happening for a year and a half (like 3-4 Season 1's).
Christa baby are you all just looking for something to nit pick about cause it left it WIDE open for her to be seen in the future. no onscreen death then she is not dead till clarified so.
Only element I can think of that possibly indicates poor writing, and I say this as a writer myself, was that I felt the bit where Clementine talks to Luke about Lee at the table was poorly done. Not because of the actual words or anything, but rather, I felt she mentioned what happened in the wrong order.
It felt like she was saying she found out that her parents were dead, then she met Lee. That's not the case. It could be that she wanted to give false info, but I didn't get that impression. Not sure if anyone else shares that thought and it might be something Telltale wants to look into if they can re-record lines or change the ordering of the dialog without messing things up. Still, it's a minor thing.
Everything else was great in my view. The characters and overall story arc will be further developed with further episodes. Only real criticism was the length. I think it ended at a natural point though, with Clem finding a new group and then giving us a cliffhanger to lead into the next episode. I think the next episode will start with a more self-contained story arc, like the other episodes had. (Cannibals in episode 2, journeying to Savannah in episode 3, finding and getting the boat to run in episode 4, rescuing Clementine in episode 5. And I'm going to bet the picture that we see for episode 3 on the menu is going to play a rather large part later, possibly.)
You can even just put water with the cornflakes, you know. It's awful as hell, but what other option is there if there is no milk.
Some event that are skipped is pretty oblivious without needing a explanation after all.
Is it a troll ... Or something ?
To me it sounded more like she gave a brief description of what happened and decided to go a little more in detail after thinking back on it.
Who were the ppl on the hills at the end of episode 5? WTF SOMEBODY GIVE ME AN EXPLANATION I AM LOST! And what about 500 days DLC? I don't understand anything.
They were probably Omid and Christa since she was with them and it's 400 days.
Could well be so.
Speak for yourself bub. I have a genius level IQ, and thought the writing was great. Calling out peoples intellect usually show signs of stupidity. This episode was a warm up drama introduction to the new group, and isn't going to pick up speed until getting into the next episode. This is the appetizer.
For one animals are still roaming the planet as all the walkers wouldn't eat them all. Yes, hunting would be scarce none the less, but animals are still roaming the world. The walkers don't eat every animal they come across like a homing beacon, but would change the circle of life a bit. Animals aren't that stupid when it comes to survival. The fish would be basically untouched by them as walkers don't swim, and wouldn't be agile enough to catch them by hand. They're night bears.
They really didn't have to explain the Krista baby loss, because honestly her and Clem are on their own, and most likely died at birth. I'm sure it will come up later, but when Clem was attacked and makes it to the new group talking about that isn't a priority at the moment, but her origins. I will agree on the group being afraid to carry her from the bite, but they explain why they were later in the house on that back story on the paranoia.
If you honestly think you can do a better job on the writing then please.... I'm sure I'm not alone. Make a thread of a full script on how YOU would write the first episode of season 2 with your vast knowledge. Would love to see this masterpiece on the full blown hate train.
...amen.
And just to add to this post, it would even be reasonable to see some animals, like wolfs, hunting walkers. They are just slow moving and dumb meat walking around and would need luck to catch an animal (especially fishes, since water is not a “natural habitat” for walkers).
You are probably just another person that is not happy about how things started and is trying to find a way to not sound like a hater, but you are not doing a good job.
i agree season 1 episode 1 was better
It was indeed longer. We had the typical puzzles from an adventure game (the motel puzzle is my favorite), and overall more time to meet the group we were stuck with at the drugstore.
I would have been totally ok with this first episode if we had more conversations with the characters, a moment to slow down a little. Those segments were common last season, until Episode 5 (which is understandable). A review pointed out S2E1 "knows only one speed: go." I agree, but for a buffer episode I feel we at least needed another group scene before the ending.
I have to disagree tha writing with the dog was superb. It lulls you into forgetting you dont know the dog at all or what its like and when it attacks it really gets to you. You only know the dog for around 10 minutes so to have that many emotions in that time is quite impressive
i agree
It's not like there are plants growing (like apple trees) or animals can outrun or outsmart the walkers. And have you ever considered that there must still be a shitload of canned food in some places?
As said before, many animals are smarter and faster than any walker. And most walkers are concentrated on big cities, only some are out there in the woods
The dog probably hunted some food by himself like rabbits or something like that.
Maybe we'll see the skipped scenes later but it's not like it'd really exciting to see Christa and Clementine just hunting and scavenging
A woman can lose her child out of shock, like when Omid was killed
Cornflakes can be good even after two years without anyone touching them. I don't know about the milk/yogurt but maybe they preserved it with some unknown methods
I thought she was more surprised about seeing humans
Ever tried to catch a fish with your bare hands? Probably not, since you spend all your day at home trying to troll someone
He was afraid that Clementine would turn into a walker while they're not on guard. And you can't protect yourself against a walker if he's crawling on the ground
Who knows what companies nowadays put into juices to make them more durable. Also they could've gone to a city some weeks before or there's actually a city close-by
Maybe it's Lilly, maybe it's Kenny but that's not that improbable. Clementine, Omid and Christa went to the same place they were originally starting from and I don't think Lilly moved from there. And if Kenny survived it's the only place he can imagine where Clementine could be.
I don't really agree with the OP, but the writing and story in season 2 episode 1 is indeed not very good and amateur at best.
I thought that scene was pretty cool. I was dying to tell someone about the whole relationship, hoping I could get some feedback whether or not the whole decision making of season 1 actually made an impact on our little Clem.
Anyways, back to your point. Luke asks Clementine straight up what happend to her parents. It's only natural for her to respond to that, other than saying that she got taken care of by Lee before they went looking for them. If you can recall correctly, you have the option ( and I am sure atleast 2 of the options let you mention this ) to say that they left you with a babysitter. THIS is clearly then the starting point of the story you are telling him. It's clear you're not just saying your parents died and they only THEN left you with a babysitter
There's no fish because zombies can eat fish. Really? When was the last time you saw a zombie out fishing? Or do you think they slap salmon out of the river like bears? Or maybe you think they go spear fishing? Just how are zombies catching and eating all the fish?
How does that not make sense? adding a character from S1 will only improve the dynamics of the character, so we can connect more with Clem. After all, Clem story has been built around Lee from S1, so if Kenny or Lilly whichever it may be gets introduced I feel it would be more appealing to players having Clem interact with them.
The episode just came out 24 hours ago, let it breathe man.
It is the first episode of this season..
I bet in the next episodes we will hear more of what happend to the baby and all..
So I really don' t understand why you act like the gouvenor on a rage, and made this topic..
And why play if you don' t like it, only to say on a topic that you don't like it??
Someone clearly doesn't understand IQ. Liking or disliking a form of entertainment has no relationship to one's intelligence. It's alright if you don't like it, but why do you feel the need to insult people who do? You could present your argument without being insulting to people you don't even know. By the way AvarageBob, "average" is spelled with an "e", not an "a". So, before you go insulting people's intelligence or the writers of this game, you might want to make sure your ducks are in a row.
Yeah, TTG has very clever writers who understand human emotion very well. They know just how to get to us and all within a very short period of time. This is why I love the game 100x more than the show. I like the show, I own every season that's been released on DVD. I'm definitely a fan. However, I LOVE the game. The characters feel real to me. During season 1, I felt such a deep connection to Lee and Clementine's characters. The need to protect Clementine was such a strong one. I've never been emotionally moved by a video game in my life. This game completely changed that. As I was saying, TTG writers know how to cut right through to our hearts. They know how people feel about dogs and while I'm kind of mad that they made the dog die, I recognize that it was a good scene because it got to me. I'm eagerly awaiting the next episode. Hopefully, we won't have to wait too long.
The overall tone of the episode was much darker than what I remember s1ep1 being, this might cause people to look on it unfavorably. But, the darker tone makes sense a bit. This is further on in the apocalypse, people have had plenty of time to lose friends/family/see horrific things.
Also, I'd wager many individuals don't understand iQ. For instance, it's quite possible to have a very high IQ and have a learning disability.
Lol. That's a great visual.
I agree. Logistically, it makes sense too. The world is getting smaller. I think Merle said that in TWD television show too, that there's not many people left, so people run into each other more. There's few people that keep combing over the same region looking for supplies and food. It's not outside the realm of possibility that Clem would encounter someone she knew from before.
The whole post is made meaningless by the "LOL ZER000 on metacritic LOOLOLOLOLOLOLOL"
Anyone who votes a game either a 0 or a 10 has an irrelevant opinion.