Who has your Clementine become?
I'm trying to keep Clementine a sweet and innocent little girl, even though I know that's impossible. I just really don't want her to turn bad. I just keep thinking about what Lee said. "She's the only good thing left in this world," and I really would like to keep it that way. Even though what she said to that fucking rude pregnant asshole was really awesome, it freaked me out and it hurt me. I didn't even think it was awesome until 3 hours after I finished the chapter. She's still so precious in my eyes. I guess I'm still not used to not being Lee. I'm kind of playing it as though I were him. I just feel like protecting her was Lee's job, but he's gone now. I just want to know how you guys are playing her.
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My Clem became the one who loves peanutbutter and jelly sandwiches and Soccer. She also likes going to ball games, and her favorite class is History. She's tough and don't like crazy people.
Fair if you stay on her good side. Loyal if they show it. But once you do something to piss her off your done. Unless you man up and do something to correct your mistake.
I try to make Clementine as close as she was to her S1 character. I can't bear to make hard-headed or sassy dialogue choices as her. A reason why it's hard to even watch a playthrough of season two now.
A survivor. Someone who is weary, yet knows and honors the values of the old world when permitted. She is not one to make long term compromises out of fear of disappointing herself and others. Someone who wants to be taken seriously in the group, yet will use her age as cover if necessary. She is Clementine, but it is good to see her grow up.
Im just trying to keep her honest. I didnt make her be overly rude or anything but that innocent little 8 year old is gone.
My Clem is a lot like my Lee; she doesn't hurt anyone unless they hurt her first. She doesn't retaliate to provocation and offers an olive branch to even shits like Rebecca, refusing to take advantage of knowing about her 'situation' despite her unrelenting hostility.
She is a Christ figure who shall redeem the apocalyptic world with her unsullied perfectly pure pureness!
Or die horribly because she's not pragmatic enough. Whichever.
My Clem is kinda sad.
She became a lot tougher because of what she's been through. She's not a little girl anymore .... Her goal is to survive.
My clem is like my lee. sweet to some, a bitch to others and a person that wishes kenny was alive
I tried to keep her fairly close to her season 1 persona. Generally honest and sweet...
The only exception was with Rebecca, where I had Clem reveal that she know the baby might not be Alvin's and warn Rebecca that she ought to be nice from now on.
Kenny could be alive next episode cause in the preview for next episode when Clem saw someone I think it was Kenny cause she said your supposed to be dead
My Clementine is a badass. But doesn't go out of her way to make enemies or be a bitch towards those who don't deserve it. Also she's not above accepting apologies.
Damn, the first episode of S2 is already eroding my Clem's innocence, between the stupid bitch who killed Omid, the attack on Christa, the dog attack after trying to feed it and subsequently mercy killing it, and the new group's initial treatment of her. I had her play along with (possibly lie to; we'll see where it goes) Sarah's "best friend" oath, coldly blackmailed Rebecca concerning her pregnancy, refused the dying asshole water, and followed Nick because he had bullets and wasn't bitten (oh, the hypocrisy). Still, she was otherwise forthright about everything else, and even accepted Nick's apology. Clem is growing up fast and learning how to lie, manipulate and flee a clusterfuck of a situation in order to survive, which is sad--but she can't afford to be heroic like Lee was because of her age and lack of physical strength.
Now more than ever I can see how mercy killing Lee hardened her somewhat. There's almost nothing too squeamish that you won't do in order to survive after doing something like that. But I don't see my Clem ever doing something out of pure selfishness, maliciousness or amorality, like stealing or murdering for any reason short of a life-and-death struggle. Blackmailing Rebecca for example, though it certainly felt good to throw some shit back at her, was done in order to assure that she wasn't going to be throwing Clem to the wolves anytime soon (of course, this could easily backfire in the long-term).
I am playing her based on my choices so like Lee.
My clementine is honest and nice but is not afraid to speak her mind. She doesn't like being called a liar and i called out pete for doubting me responding with "What do you think"... yes was too mainstream for me... I didn't ask who the baby was with rebecca but was still a bitch to her. I gave the dying guy water.. went with pete..
I hope she runs into some more nice people hat she can get along with like shel and becca from 400 days..
I want to have a Clem that is cold, like if the stuff Lee tried to teach her about others has sort of stopped mattering to her. To top that off everyone from her old group is pretty much dead, literally or on the inside because of her (or so she'll believe). She treats those who treat her well back in kind. But those who are not part of the group is expendable, such as the bandit who wants water.
It only makes sense to me that she would be a bit more cold and think of survival more than anything else. Especially considering she's spent nearly 22 months with Omid and Christa. 16 of which she spends alone with a heartbroken and cold realist such as Christa. To top the top of that off I can suspect it's eating her on the inside that Clem IS the reason Omid is dead because SHE wasn't careful with her gun.
This.
It is extremely hard and impossible to keep her innocent now. It seriously pains me to say anything even a little rude. I've been trying so hard to keep her the innocent and precious 9 year old, but that just isn't going to happen.
Adaptable is the best term for my clem.
Be honest and true as you can but you can't take shit lying down, like some pregnant girl hating on you
I have two Clementines:
1) The First one is obviosly of my first save file of season 1, and she its pretty tought to digest the things all around her but, had a little piece of innocense that its pretty much just one way to get more easily to people... and yeah for a silly mistake, she steals - .- (F#ck¡ng Watch I take it by mistake) and she are truefull every time (except for that creepy girl of Carlos, antisocial, serial killer), she understands the feelings of others and have empathy & mercy for people, for the things Lee touhgt her before she put him down...
2) My second one, its likely almost the total opposite of the previosly mentioned, she manipulates people to get what she wants, pretty much depends of herself, even thougt she obviosly care for a minority part of the people that are nice to her... she doesnt steals yet (well I have to make opposite decisions...) she pretty much tell the truth to the one's that deserved (Luke & Pete till now). She doesnt have mercy/empathy to anyone (not the dog, not the thief/killer of the water, the psicotic Carlos daugther even thougt I said her that she were friends only for the bottle at the last time she ask it) She accepts the Aplogys of Nick cause well he deserved (He lost her Mom for a pratically same thing that happend before her) all of that for the traumatic experience of what happend to her with Lee... (leaving him suffer because she doesnt had the b@lls to put him down in that moment...) and then the lost of Omid & Omid Jr.
My Clem is still trying to follow in the footsteps of Lee, even though she understands that the world is only going to worsen as things go on. Generally she's compassionate towards people, even those who might dislike or distrust her (Similar to how Lee tried to be decent towards Larry) and wants to be able to get along with most people, so long as they treat her decently. Whilst she's not completely distrustful of strangers, she's still wary and tries to keep a small distance between her and them until at least she can figure them out, and she still understands that in this world there'll be times where she'll have to take the initiative and step out of her comfort zone. She's going to eventually lose her 'innocence', no doubt, but it's how she goes about it which matters.
So yeah, she tried to distract the bandits from Christa for fairly obvious reasons. Even if she'd become something of a hardened realist since the loss of Omid and her child and seemed to somewhat regard Clementine at fault for it for not being careful with her gun, she'd still cared for her over the past sixteen months and done what she could to keep them alive, and had tried to protect her when the bandits had held her up. She put the dog out of its misery due to the fact that she's still not without her compassion AND because she did the same to Lee as a mercy to prevent them from suffering any more than they already had. Sarah was a nice change from the typically grim or hardened people she comes across and Clem was genuinely interested in being a friend to her, yet she understands that she's at a disadvantage about her father keeping her in the dark about the true state of the world but doesn't want to say anything just yet, to try and keep the peace. Nick's apology was pretty genuine and even if he was a bit of a dick, it's a little understandable given the situation and its not exactly something she hasn't seen before (Lee and Kenny disagreeing over Larry and Ben, yet remaining fairly close friends until the end) so she accepted it without hesitation.
Again, for compassionate reasons she shared a slight bit of water with the dying man even if he had been part of the attack on her and Christa the day before and besides, she'd have still had a supply of water back at the cabin to replenish the small amount she gave up. Ultimately she chose to help Pete because he looked like he needed more help than Nick, who still had ammunition and wasn't injured whereas Pete was inured and definitely needed help. Not that she disliked Nick, she just wanted to help Pete because he needed the help more (And there's a chance he'll be able to survive the bite if the limb is amputated, that much I know) and Pete is a fairly decent character. So yeah, my Clem's just generally following in the path of Lee.
Trying to keep her honest, but of course she is not completely the same girl anymore. Those severe months behind, naturally that changes you. Still I would describe her as quite honest and polite person, yet she better acknowledges what it takes to survive.
Tough decision when choosing between Nick and Pete. I knew that Clem would probably choose Pete despite of that zed wound, but she "chose" Nick. Survival instincts kicking in, not sure how could she help anyone without a firearm, especially going for Pete sounded like a suicide (he having that bite and no ammo). It sure will bother her, but so would have the other option too. As always, there was no time to think.
I have to say, I really like this older, tougher, slightly world weary version of Clementine. I didnt want her to be the same kid she was in season one because its the end of the world and there is no way to retain that innocence unless you completely close your eyes and ears to everything around you. Clementine is too smart and learned too much for that.
clem dont care avout kenny as much as she care about lee and she have not seen him in 16 months
I played her as I played Lee, honest, caring, positive, thinking about the others and not just herself. It's just feels right to follow his example and what Lee had thought her in the past. That being a survivor doesn't mean turning into a ruthless and selfish person. He thought her how to look after herself, how to survive. But also he thought him there's still good in the world, so long as she believes in it. What I like to believe is that Lee gave her hope. One of the most important thing about survival. That even through the worst, she would always hold on to that hope, so that she might prevail against despair.
I'm playing her a little more battle hardened, having to shoot Lee at the end of Season 1 was the trigger for that descision, I'm not giving her an extremely offensive side but i'll make sure that people know she will not be pushed around to much even though she's only 11yrs.
My clem will be a hardened survivor, putting her needs above any others. She will lie, steal, and blackmail (referring to Rebecca not knowing who's the father of her unborn child when I say blackmail) when the situation demands it. But will remain loyal to those who have shown their loyalty to her (i.e Pete) She will kill when she must and won't think twice about. She's not a little kid anymore, she's a survivor and nothing more.
She's become the ultimate sass machine. I figured it would make sense for her to be a little more jaded and edgy after all she's been through.
How could one NOT choose that dialogue option?
Too tempting, especially with the achievement name. Definitely a crowning moment of awesome for our underdog.
Speak softly and carry a big stick.
Like with Lee, I'll try to be moral and help others when I can, but I'll also do the harsher things when I feel that I have to.
Exactly.
Im thinking of Clementine in a similar sense as Carl. In a way, being a child is not an option. So my Clem is neither adult nor child. A bit dark a bit sincere in a scary way for our current standard of childhood, but also clueless and helpless here and there. She didn't accept nicks apology, not because of any grudge, but because the guy is a screw up and, like she says, she tends to avoid crazy people. My Clementine also sticks to every last word Lee said to her in that awfull but meaninful moment when you wanted to say too much but there was just "no time left"(Awesome thing, by the way, it was just how I felt, so much to say, but so little time). I feel a little bad for blackmailing Rebecca though. Makes me think of the little clementine who doens't leave friends behind and changes not only Christa's vote, but my own(I was convinced of letting Kenny having his way on Ben, that moron).
It does suck knowing that Clementine can't stay the innocent girl we knew in season one, but...the things she has been through/had to do...that will definitely change a person in real life. I have tried to keep her as true to the character we all knew and loved in the first season, but there were a couple of places where I threw in some attitude. Particularly:
In the kitchen with the pregnant woman (Rebecca, if I remember correctly?) When she CONTINUED to be a bitch to Clem, after it was made clear that she wasn't bitten by a walker, I chose the "who's the father?" line...then, when she responded rudely to that as well, I chose the "you should be nice to me" line. I have to admit...it was sooooo satisfying to hear Clem say that last line the way she did haha.
Also, after killing the walker in the shed, when everyone busts in, I chose the "Still. Not. Bitten." line. I understand where the group is coming from, not wanting to waste supplies on someone that may turn, but it just pissed me off that they just locked her in there without doing anything to treat her wound. Jerks.
Finally, when we come across the guy on the rocks who was one of the men confronting Christa in the beginning, and who had (apparently) taken Clem's backpack...when he was asking for water, I denied giving it to him. Screw that guy...they didn't appear to be "good guys"...so I'm not gonna waste water on him. That decision may be one I regret later on, but I doubt it.
The most important thing for me is that I answer questions and make decisions based on what I would really do/say if I was in her position. Not trying to make choices based on what I think the character(s) SHOULD do.
Above all, someone who's going to survive. The Clem I play as is cautious and weary of the world, but also has some hope in her too (trusting the dog and Pete/Luke/Nick.) She is agreeable when she needs to be (Pete asked her even, "are you always this agreeable?") but also not afraid to stand up for herself or others. And the Clem from season 1 is still there, if only slightly subdued; she is also quick to forgive if needed, as she was willing to forgive Nick and give water to the dying bandit.
My Clem is a survivor, and willing to do what it takes to stay alive. She follows the example Lee set for her, protect yourself and the group, eliminate any threat, look at everything and keeps her hair short. But I also allow some Christa in there as well, after almost 2 years together I figure she would have picked up some her traits, being direct, keeping on the move, and falling for loveable knuckleheads.
In the my Clem is still a good person at her core but she don't take no crap.
This indeed.
I try to remain silent if Clem is forced to make choices that don't fit her Season One character.
I try to make my Clementine be as innocent as possible. I want to catch a glimpse of her Season One character. To accomplish this I use silence, the sad eyes, and persuade the others with alot of please, please, and please help me. Other than trying to stay innocent, I try to make her be as honest, and helpful as possible when she's forced to say something, or make a choice.
I can't take the mature options Telltale gave her... She's just 11 years old, and still Telltale make her act like a grown up.
Not a mean little smart ass but just a smart kid that knows how to use the "I'm just a little girl" angle to help her survive for as long as possible. And not letting strangers know exactly what she is capable of doing or what she has been thru.
i made clem a badass, because she will die soft if she dont become a badass soon.
The first save i carried over ( i am now starting the second since i lost my old saves and have to re play them ) is a middle ground like the lee in S01 was in that save. She is good to people that treat her well and with respect but if anyone tries to bullshit her she show them that she has a bad side too ( i guess that prengnat b**** found that out a tad too early ).
My second will be a total maniac like the lee that was with her was. The only concern is survival if it means to off a competitor so be it.
The last one will be the one where moral goes over reality, where values matter more than surivival cause the motto is why survive if you have to give up what makes you human in the first place.
So i guess i have the most bases covered now i just need to think about what i use the fourth save slot for ^^
A bad ass