So she is 11.
Every one has been debating on whether Clementine was 9, 10, 11 and so on but after the first 10 minutes, you can clearly see that Season 2 started like 6+ months after Season 1 and then another 16 months past. That's at least two years which would make her 11 and match the pre-teen title Telltale gave her. So no more, "she's still 9" stuff. Her age also shows in her voice, maturity and physical appearance.
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Clementine: girl experiencing puberty .... in the middle of the zombie apocalypse. Damn i thought i did it tough
That's great, but why do specifics matter exactly? She's pretty much still a little girl. We're not talking the difference from 9 to 15 here.
Hey guys, I havent played season 2 yet but just wondering, did Clementine's voice change drastically? Its ok to tell me please thanks!
She sounds a lot more jaded. Which just happens to also make her sound quite a bit older.
For me it matters because it stretches the entire timeframe of the apocalypse to the breaking point - she was 8 when Lee found her and became 9 about five months later; then add say 22 months and we are looking at an apocalypse that has been going on for three years. This with apparently no one taking the time to fault check even their sheds, build walls around towns and fucking organize! Apparently people become morons as soon as zombies rear their ugly heads, and as a human I'm deeply offended by that - two years after the end of WW2 when most of Germany had been flattened by the war, Germany was up and running pretty much normally again, and I don't see why a zombiecalypse would be any different.
Oh yeah... It's Kirkman's work, and he needs to eat. Sorry, forgot that. He is going to stretch this out until he dies.
Come on why remind us every time about old germany? How did u went from this thread to that post about germany? I mean come on.
He does not make the story for this video game though, TT does.
Also, it's fiction. It might be possible that if something like this happened in real life we perhaps could do something better about it, but that's a big assumption. You can't just compare WW2 to a zombie apocalypse, at least a war has an end, whether it is good or bad. For all we know about the walking dead universe is that it has no need, everyone is sick and everyone who dies becomes a zombie and for many it's not easy to change your behavior, even if it means that you will live another day.
So, you think that the game shouldn't portray more contemporary point in the timeline with the comics (and ahead of the TV-show), but all Seasons should happen simultaneously with the first issues of the comic book series? That just doesn't make any sense.
There are workarounds for this issue. For me, I prefer to imagine that whatever started this whole thing didn't just involve the already dead people rising up as Walkers, but actually killed off a solid majority of the human race outright through pandemics or some such, somewhat like a less extreme version of The Stand. This would explain how virtually every city appears to be overrun and even military bases fell to the dead, despite how painfully easy it should have been for any military unit worth its salt to counter opponents as brainless and easily tricked as Walkers.
WIth the overwhelming bulk of the human race now mindless flesh eating monsters, and only a scattered few survivors from the very start of the outbreak, the proposition of the human race not getting back on its feet for years and years makes more sense.
@Olaus: I'm talking about the fact that the franchise is going in pretty much one direction in time and space, and that is just forward in Georgia/US, this whilst a lot could happen at the same time elsewhere: what did the survivors in Copenhagen experience? The survivors in Nairobi? Paris? Seattle? New York? Springfield, London, Lyon, Moscowhongkongtokyosverdlovsk? Georgia USA is not the center of the world. Shocking, I know.
As I said, I have difficulties with a disaster having a timeframe that goes on for too long - the Chernobyl nuclear reactor meltdown? Was resolved in about 6 months; the Fukushima nuclear reactor breakdown? Fixed in less than one month; the repairs after Katrina? 1-2 months?
But while talking to Sarah Clem tells her she is 10
Given what is stated in-game about her age, I suppose Clementine is either 10 (possibly a few weeks away from 11), or she's 11 already and they just couldn't keep track of the date anymore after a certain point.
Also, as far as the state of the apocalypse, it's a lot harder to rebuild in a world where the infrastructure has been ruined, no amount of safety against the undead stops new ones from being generated from natural deaths, and people keep stabbing each other in the backs all the time.
Most of the Walking Dead franchise happens around Georgia, so it wouldn't feel as much as part of the same series if it did happen somewhere else. And it's a matter of personal preference, if you think that the comic book (and TV) -series have grown stale and unrealistic. Personally I have enjoyed the turns the story has taken in more recent issues of the comic book -series.
Keep in mind, Clem might not have been keeping track of time. Christa's pregnancy was a good indicator of her age and the time passing, but a while has passed since then and she might have just stopped caring. Her natural reaction is to say she's 10 when she might already be 11 and not realise how much time has actually passed.
But what you're asking for is that the zombie apocalypse not be a proper apocalypse at all so much as a zombie crisis followed by a return to normality. The premise lacks the appropriate drama unless it entails a nearly complete dieback of the human race, followed by the survivors attempting to make their way through whatever is left. Which means, no, the human race isn't coming back anytime soon.
Basically, its a premise you either have to accept, find some way to find acceptable (as I did above), or just swallow with the same willing suspension of disbelief you'd grant to...say, the 'science' in a movie like Star Wars.
It actually kind of matters, because it cool to know how much she's changed, and how mature she has become between season 1-2 and in the 16 months. But yeah little past 11th birthday. She had turned 9 in the end of season one, and with that stommach christa's walking around with it's probably been 7 or even 8 months, she looks like she's about to pop...
Kind of wonder what happened to the baby.. must've been traumatic, also for clem.
you are looking to deep into things for a fictional comic book based game. come on man.
She's definitely going through puberty. She even started saying God. One of these days, she's gonna start swearing like Lee.
im gonna say 11 or 12
This reasoning seems a little ridiculous to me. Apocalypse means it's the end. There isn't necessarily supposed to be a "recovery" and happy ending where they find a cure or some nonsense.
Comparing it to post WWII Germany is also nonsense. There was recovery because the source of the problem/destruction, namely the war, ended. The zombies don't end, they keep coming and in fact they keep getting worse as more people die. So to say "how could they not organize and rebuild and solve the problem" is pretty...dumb.
What makes you say the world will ever recover. Katjaa's words were before we learn that everyone's infected.
How do you plan on rebuilding the world if even the youngest person on the planet is fated to turn into a walker when he dies ? Besides we don't even know if the "virus" is transmitted to the babies, it could be after all.
Nothing tells us TWD is gonna end good. If Telltale makes a 3rd or 4th season, nothing prevents them from restarting Day 1 through the perspective of another character. I don't really see the problem here.
Yes you are right - I do look for a set timeline here - when that meteorite hit earth and killed off the dinosaurs, there were already mammals around - the hit was a MAJOR disaster for earth, probably the biggest yet, and still some critters managed to survive up to today even (crocodiles are basically dinosaurs).
What I mean is that as much as I like the entire premise of a zombie apocalypse, I think even that needs to have a best-before date: let it start, go on and then end. I have mentioned MASH as a horrible example of something that went on too long, and I think that having TWD go on for too long would also diminish the entire idea. Let TWD be born, live and die peacefully and then let us go and check out something else to be entertained from.
After all, they did give us Vince's story which takes place the day after the "virus" started spreading.
I think her voice has changed a bit but she has also gotten more responsible as well
When you are talking with Sarah while sneaking around the house and you pick te option to talk about your age difference, Clementine says she's 10 and Sarah says she's 15.
edit: Oops sorry, didn't notice it was said before.
Logically, there will be an end to the zombies as well - they don't reproduce and will sooner or later just rot away, be destroyed in earthquakes or what have you, not to mention the millions destroyed by the living. There are currently 6 billion people on earth, which means there would eventually be 6 billion zombies or zombie-has-beens.
Sure, I can buy the entire end of days thing - yet still people demand that Clem will survive, and if they have it their way, we'll see Clem telling her grandkids about the zombie outbreak while sitting on the porch killing zombies with a shotgun.
Regarding the end of WW2 and Germany, sure, the war ended and made it possible to rebuild the country; however, in that same country, there were literally hundreds of thousands of people that were never directly affected, just as anywhere else. Why? Because a disaster, apocalypse or whatever you may call it is never 100%. Not the extinction of the dinosaurs even.
And I can think of many ways how it would be possible to reorganize and get shit done, even with the zombies, even with the applied stupidity that way too many zombie franchies slaps on to the survivors (not only TWD that is). We know we have deadly diseases around us today, and we know how to protect ourselves. A zombie outbreak should not be any different. Taking away this survivability and adaptability of humans is for me quite offensive. Humanity managed to get through the bubonic plague and the Spanish flu.
We deserve better than to be called morons by the zombie creators.
Have you watched the tv show or read the comics? The video game is now at roughly the same timeline as the tv show, give or take, and we've already seen one town that has walls. The comics have four towns with walls that we've seen so far, not including the prison. It's perfectly possible that we will see a town with walls in this season of the game. So far, we've literally seen ONE episode taking place two years later. Give it a second.
Also, Germany was rebuilt with foreign aid during peace time. There's no foreign aid and no peace time here.
Actually, this season of the game is taking place (so far) in North Carolina. And they left Georgia years and years ago in the comics.
She had just turned 9 at the end of last season. Since then, more than 16 months have passed. She has to be at least 11.
But the game has always been a bit confused about how old Clem is. She was supposed to be a first-grader last season, but first graders are 6-7, not 8 or 9.
True, but the stories still take place in the same region as Georgia. They haven't moved north of D.C., so the stories still take place in Southern US. Current comic book issues happen in Virginia and there's only one state between it and Georgia.
Dude, in this scenario, WE are the dinosaurs. In the history of the Earth, billions of species have gone extinct. Humans are not speshul.
And in case you haven't noticed, the walkers are nothing compared to the humans. Even if all of the walkers suddenly disappeared one day, humanity would not instantly join hands, sing Kumbaya, and get right back to the status quo.
Of course they do. It's called "a human being dying." Even if the scattered remnants of humanity got its shit together (and eventually it might, just don't expect it happening within the first few years of the initial zombie outbreak) and reformed society, it could never be the exact same society. Everyone becoming undead upon death fundamentally changes society and human nature. No mundane examples you can pluck from the history books could compare to this scenario.
But humans HAVE adapted. You just don't seem to like how.
i think they tried to show this with her jeans, my friend was playing and said "omg dat ass". no he is not Pedo, but he was making a joke witch then lead to 3 hour discussion on wat he meant. he cant believe that they added THAT much detail to little girls ass. but yeah.
Considering how humans have managed overcome everything thrown at us over time and still managed to keep society together shows that humans are more resourceful than any other creature. A zombie outbreak would be just as much an example of a disaster as anything else we have experienced - its just that this (the zombie outbreak) is fictional, and therefore should be treated like something else. You reason like this: we haven't seen any aliens from outer space, so there aren't any; this when I rely on empirical evidence on how humans have survived everything else the world has thrown at us, and for the most part kept society together.
And this is exactly the reason for why I get pissed off regarding how different creators including Kirkman see humans: like stupid-as-shit loosers just two meals from barbary. We aren't.
You are aware that crocodiles essentially are dinosaurs? And that they have survived to this day? Great. Because humans are or could be those crocs.
You are right however that society wouldn't be the same if the zombies just disappeared. Of course not - there would be a huge vacuum where a lot of work would need to be done to return to a hospitable society. But it would be done in time for a few very human reasons: we are social creatures, we instinctively try to live with each other (and therefore make rules of conduct for that) and we are relentless in our pursuit of a better and more comfortable life - which is why we have stuff like aspirin, internet and cars today.
No offense, but if you don't like how The Walking Dead comics, TV-show and game series have turned recently, you could always stop following them. This is the umpteenth time when you declare that Kirkman should have ended the franchise long time ago and that it should have ended to human victory.
Where have I said I don't like TWD? I think its great, but nothing so not too great for improvement, and one area where TWD and other zombiverses have deep issues is just what I was talking about, namely a sense for a timeframe.
Also, I have NOT, repeat not, said Kirkman should have ended the franchise; I do however say that he should do best in ending it within a reasonable timeframe.
So stop slapping opinions on me that only comes from yourself. Please.
I haven't read the comics I'm sorry to say - they're kind of hard to come by here, and I have bills to pay...
She's ten. How do some people get to 12?
She just turned 9 at the end of season 1. Start of season 2 is max 6 months later. Add 16 months. Makes not two years. So at most she ist like 2 months before her 11th birthday. She is obviously ten.
I'm not slapping you with anything, but I answer to only the things which you say. It was the impression I got when you constantly complained that Kirkman is stretching the story for money, if I have misunderstood your message it's either because you didn't word it clearly enough or because I misread your meaning. To me that constant complain indicates that you don't like where the story is going and how the world has developed since the early issues of the comic book.