If group never met Ben where would they be now?
Lee,kenny,brie etc were indirectly the fault of Ben even let boat get robbed. All mistakes were Ben i'm not biased but think he started the zombie apocalypse some how.
Anyway how think the group would of manage if they never met him?
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They may would have been overwhelmed at the motel by the bandits.
Ok you can't blame Ben alone for the baot being robbed, the boat gets robbed even if you go alone and leave everyone there protecting it...
And how is Ben's fault that Lee got killed? but ok it's your oppinion.
In my oppinion if Ben wasn't there then the group would have been attacked all the same by the bandits and they would have to get out of the motel... I mean the bandits knew they were there and Ben tried to make everything right by giving them the supplies, the thing he did wrong was not telling anyone and kepping them in the dark.
I liked and Ben he was a lost kid that was trying to fit him and help but didn't knew how. I don't blame him on Katja, DUck, Kenny, Carley's dath and absolutly not in Lee's death. But ok I'll give that the thing with the axe was pretty dumb, even though he tried to help...
YOu can't blame people on severything that is an indirect reaction to their actions, I mean Lilly (and I'm a Lilly fan) was much more to blame in Carley/Doug's death than Ben... If you fall in a hole and someone dies trying to help you is it your fault? If there's a giant rock rolling down the hill and you put a stick holding it, when the stick breaks and the rock kills people is it your fault? I don't think so...
SO yeah Ben was dumb but I think people blame for a lot more than it's true...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e861UaYRDLE
I'm pretty sure things would change so drastically that it's pretty much impossible to tell exactly what would happen. We can dream of boats and survivors, though.
Also have to remember that Ben brought the knowledge that those who died but weren't bitten still came back as zombies. That could've turned against the group and indeed that knowledge eluded the Motel group for 3 months. It could've went on and more people could've died because of that.
There'd probably be a lot less stress in the group (assuming the bandits didn't rush the place and murder everyone).
But it really isn't Ben's fault, he never meant to do any of this.
Would of negotiated with someone else bandits would never kill them it ruin there constant food and supply source could of killed them in first place easy even if maybe your survive a bullet and get away but with ben your death is inevitable
They would have all tried to revive Larry in the meatlocker and he probably would have turned and killed everyone.
True that. See? Guess Ben wasn't a complete waste after all.
Struggled to type that without laughing.
They would have attacked anyway, in the start Ben got tricked but they would have been attacked
Larry actually takes a breath if you do five compressions on him.
I think Larry was alive, Kenny just freaks out :P
But I mean really, how does that works?
If you die you turn into a walker, BUT, what happens if you "die" and someone can bring you back to life with CPR?
Has that bene explained somewhere? DO you allways come bck as a walker or if it's done really fast the virus can't take the brain?
I would like for Kirkman to explain this
Could have been an agonal gasp.
Ok little angry at ben after killed my hero Kenny. I saved ben after all the mistakes he made including running and leaving clem to die but he couldn't die without indirectly causing another death pure evil never forgive him for kenny
I don't think that Larry actually " died ", he was only unconscious.
Probably from shock or something.
I'm not seeing where Ben has anything to do with the meatlocker :P
No, you were giving him CPR, that was his body's reaction to being given cpr. You don't simply recover from a heart attack like that. He was dead.
Me either, but hey.
The season would have ended in episode 3 with everyone fucking dying due to the bandits attacking before they could escape. Ben saved the group by supplying the bandits until Kenny fixed the RV.
Kenny tried to save Ben, as I said if you fall down a hill and someone dies trying to save you it's not your fault.
That was the moment of redemption for how badly kenny treatred Ben, and Kenny is not dead :P
If he could manage a gasp of air, then that doesn't mean death.
I'm not a medical expert, so I could probably be wrong.
Ended up beginning attacked away same result and ben's lie got someone shot plus still accepted food even though most food was gone because of him
He said "Oh God," clutched his heart, collapsed on the group and stopped breathing. It was a heart attack. One that he in all likelihood wasn't recovering from without medicine. Agonal gasps are apparently fairly common in cases of cardiac arrest.
I see it as more someone jumps off a cliff and other jumps off to save him kenny was put in a impossible position by ben and his feelings drove him to try save him even though knew it was impossible bens stupidity caused something unnecessary
Hopefully be back for s2
I think the discussion about Ben is much more about "did you sided with Kenny or not?"
People who are crazy kenny fans hate Ben and other people either like Ben or even if they don't like him, they understand him.~
And I don't mean "crazy Kenny fans" in a depressiative way...
Ben is the one who informs the group that everyone turns when they die, even if they haven't been bitten. If he hadn't told them that, they wouldn't have considered a dead/dying Larry to have been a threat and would have gathered around trying to save him. So if he turned, they would all be dead.
Not i side with all characters except ben the thread about the question not siding with anyone
OOOH ok yes that's true too
I understood that you were saying that if BEn wsa in the meatlocker they would all be killed :P
Yes, that's true, without Ben they would have all been killed since thye didn't knew about the turning after a "normal" death...
Why you posting this everywhere? Your lucky this song is good.
Oh shit, I never thought of that.
Yes I'm not trying to make a false generalization, but most people see that discussion that way
Ben confirmed for Season 2! Just kidding...
Cause it's fiting in almost everywhere! People asked about Ben so i had to share it.
The bandits could've negotiated with literally anyone else in the group, and the outcome would have been better.
I liked Ben, but no, he's dead.
We'll have Kenny most likely
How so?
I think Larry would have told them to fuck off and promptly received a bullet in the face.
Ben's the topic of the week I guess! Good call with the video
Yes, Larry would have told them to fuck off, as would Lilly or Kenny...
And Lee in my gameplay :P SO I guess I would have got everyone killed...
And Dug and Katja would have talked to someone in the group and the reuslt would be the same...
Carley would basically do the same as Ben I think, but more seriously and wouldn't have got caught
So technically, Ben saved the whole entire group, then got them all killed
If someone in the group were to have brought that fact up, it might have stopped a lot of the Ben hate that was dished out.
Yeah, everyone says how useless Ben is and how he never contributed to the group. But the the info he gave them was extremely vital. The whole group seems to forgot this