Kingdom of the Crystal Skull features the scene with Shia Labeouf swinging from vines with monkeys and sword fighting on moving jeeps.
It also features the the scene where Marion is driving the truck and pulls up along side of a cliff. She looks over the cliff and smiles, knowingly. What she knows is that if she is to drive her truck off the cliff it will be miraculously saved by a series of branches sticking out of the cliff, reminiscent of the Temple of Doom awning scene. Clearly Marion is a psychic genius... and wasn't that a great trick she pulled on Indy, making him think that she'd lost her mind and was commiting suicide by driving off a cliff? :eek:
That part really bothered me. I'm not trying to make a comparison here It's just super :rolleyes::rolleyes: lol. I probably complain so much because I love it anyway.
It just blows my mind how people dare to say Kotc > ToD.
In fact....it even blows my mind that it's possible for people to dislike ToD. It was a great adventure movie and truly in the vein of what the franchise represents.
I didn't see Temple until years and years after I had already seen Crusade (which I saw first) and Raiders. It just didn't feel like the same Indiana Jones adventure to me. The dialogue was hokey, I HATED the girl (though the kid was awesome, as much as everyone seemed to hate him), and the ending felt...very abrupt and simple...with just Indy and the girl walking through the cheering crowd with the theme playing over the credits. It was just very...silly, as much as it was dark at the same time. It's a strange phenomenon.
I kinda refuse to acknowledge it as a part of the series, sort of like I refuse acknowledging SW Episode 1 to 3. Apart from the really stupid stuff (like the fridge or that vine-swinging thing with the monkeys), I think aliens and Indy just don't mix. Also, the ending was way less epic than the endings of the original trilogy. When I saw it at the cinemas, I didn't really get why that chick melted. A buddy told me afterwards it was because the aliens overloaded her brain with knowledge. That is SO way less cool and epic than opening the Ark of Covenant, dueling on a broken bridge or choosing the wrong Grail... in my opinion, at least. Also, why did they show Marcus and Henry having died? Henry at least DRANK from the Grail and therefore should have become immortal, or at least get a vastly suspended lifespan. And don't even get me started on the ending, with the hat and stuff.
I dunno, I guess the 4th part was just lacking the charm of the original trilogy. I felt that Fate of Atlantis was WAY more in line with the spirit of the trilogy than the actual fourth part.
I'm surprised at all those guys defending Temple of Doom. I always thought it was a pretty bad movie. I watched the 1st and 3rd movie over and over again during my childhood, but the 2nd movie always annoyed the hell out of me. And not just because of Kate Capshaw (who is a terrible actress), but the entire movie just feels like a random series of events (and whatever some critics might say, that's not what Indiana Jones is all about) without much heart, without the charm of the other movies. Even Steven Spielberg and George Lucas agree that the second Indiana Jones movie isn't a very good movie, and those guys don't criticize their own films often.
Like Spielberg said:
Steven Spielberg said in 1989, "I wasn't happy with Temple of Doom at all. It was too dark, too subterranean, and much too horrific. I thought it out-poltered Poltergeist. There's not an ounce of my own personal feeling in Temple of Doom." He later added during the "Making of Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom" documentary, "Temple of Doom is my least favorite of the trilogy. I look back and I say, 'Well the greatest thing that I got out of that was I met Kate Capshaw. We married years later and that to me was the reason I was fated to make Temple of Doom."
There's also a quote from either Spielberg or Lucas about how they made the movie during a bad time for both of them, with both of them very much under pressure from Hollywood to produce more and more of the same and both of them just coming out of long-term relationships, which turned the second movie into the dark, dull and joyless beast it is today, but I can't seem to find that quote right now (it might have been on the dvd commentary). If someone knows what I'm talking about, I'd appreciate it if they could provide a link.
I thought that, while Kingdom had it's problems, it was very much a return to the classic Indiana Jones-movies. It made me feel 15 years younger. I know it's popular on the internet to complain about Indiana Jones 4, especially after that South Park episode (although I do believe they had a point about Hollywood endlessly making sequels based on childhood memories), but it's everything an Indiana Jones-movie should be. Not as good as the first or third movie (but nothing will ever be, I guess), but still better than Temple of Doom, I'd say.
And yes, the aliens/fridge where fine. Sometimes I think that Temple of Doom gets a free pass just because it was made way back then.
To stay slightly on-topic: A Telltale Indiana Jones-series would be very, very cool.
KOTC is based on 50s comics the same way that the older Indy movies are based on older stuff like Doc Savage. I'd say that changes the tone in some respects, but I didn't think it a bad way.
Ok. A lot of people don't like ToD. I'm not one of them, but I can see where they're coming from. ToD (the Indy film, not the Ratchet & Clank game) is very different from the rest of the series.
For a start, it's dark. Easily the darkest of the lot. And for a series that's generally made of light-hearted romps with the occasional hairy moment, that's going to alienate some people.
Second (and simply put), it's not got Nazis. Rather than focusing on an unambiguous enemy will all know is evil, the film features the Thuggee, an ancient cult that practices human sacrifice. It's more original, but it's also, once again, different. It also means we need to learn about them, via what I call info-dumping (characters sitting around explaining stuff to each other, basically). This can also put people off.
Third, side characters. ToD has the two most annoying sidekicks of the series in Short Round and Willy. Other characters in the series are charming and likeable. Not here! Willy screams, Short Round has his high-pitched voice and neither endears themselves at all. Be it bad writing, be it poor acting, be it lacklustre direction, it doesn't matter - this is the only point I can't defend.
Fourth, no Sallah. Deal breaker, right there.
There's other reasons people don't like it, I'm sure. But they're the big ones.
As for Crystal Skull... I liked it, but it's obvious that there are numerous problems with it. An over-reliance on CGI for one, and some absurdly silly sequences that never should have made it into the final edit for another. But hey, nothing a good fan-edit doesn't (mostly) fix.
Back on topic - Fate of Atlantis is pretty much perfect as is, and I'm not sure remaking it would improve it at all. More Indy games in the same style though... those would be most welcome indeed.
*sighs* this again. I'll just keep it short and sweet. I like all 4 movies. 4 has a few stupid scenes, so does TOD, and Last Crusade...KOTCS might even have more, but I still enjoyed it and I'll say it again and again it's a take on 50s action/ adventure movies. And in that right, it's a very well made movie by two very respectable artists and directors in the movie industry.
One thing I've noticed is that Indiana Jones has not been very well represented in the gaming space since Lucasarts' early adventure game days. Sure, there have been some good games in the past few years (usually in the form of LEGOs), but the normal, flesh and blood Indie hasn't starred in a truly great game for a while now.
Now, Telltale has a great track record for making quality adventure games and is starting to delve into already famed and beloved film franchises, so, who better to rescue Indiana from the depths of video game hell? It doesn't seem like it would be too difficult to get a Telltale/ Lucasarts teamup for a season of Indiana Jones games, seeing as they've already made Tales of Monkey Island together.
What are your thoughts? Would you enjoy the concept of a Indiana Jones game from Telltale? And if so, what types of story ideas would you have in mind?
How about this: Either do something entirely original or remake one of the older games, like Fate of Atlantis or The Infernal Machine. Or, make the game that Lucasarts decided not to make, Indiana Jones and the Iron Pheonix.
The last time something like this happened, they handed it off to A2M and we got Indiana Jones and the Staff of Kings, a game where the best feature was apparently that the Wii version includes Fate of Atlantis as an unlockable. After Tales of Monkey Island, I would hope Lucasarts would see Telltale to be the better choice next time. And those hopes would almost certainly be dashed.
Yes, Staff of Kings was a huge disappointment, especially after those trailers that said that there was actually hope for a new, awesome Indiana Jones game. And imagine how fans felt
when all those hopes were flushed down the toilet. So really, Telltale is the only hope for an Indiana Jones video game that isn't an insult to fans of the movies.
If they actually DO the game, here is what it should have:
Hard puzzles
Great storyline, must feel like you're playing a movie
CAN NOT SCREW UP THE MOVIE FRANCHISE!
Harrison Ford. IF they can get him.
Monkey Island wasn't co-created by George Lucas himself.
That said, they've let other companies touch Star Wars so it wouldn't shock me if they let someone do a good Indy game. Until then, I'll just stick with Uncharted. It's close enough for me.
Soooo... Indiana Jones and the Farmville of Boredom! What do you think, guys - Drew Struzan poster?!?
That seems to be the path for poor ol' Indy these days. After the Crystal Skull, I really should have lost all hope for something good to come from this franchise. TTG, drop everything you're doing and step in right now.
No. It's gonna be like Cityville and totally built in a way that you have to spend money on in-game-stuff to be effective. Like every other FB-game. That's how they make most of their money.
Fate of Atlantis doesn't need a sequel. Why does everyone think that good games need to have direct sequels? What's wrong with just making another good adventure in the Indiana Jones franchise? Or any franchise? Direct sequels never live up to the hype of the originals anyway.
No. It's gonna be like Cityville and totally built in a way that you have to spend money on in-game-stuff to be effective. Like every other FB-game. That's how they make most of their money.
Oddly enough, I've been playing Assassin's Creed: Project Legacy on Facebook, and I have yet to see anywhere you even can put in real-world money. Though on the other hand, I suppose it's meant as a tool to promote Ubisoft's $60 PS3/360/PC game.
I don't want a sequel to FOA at all. Just a new Indy adventure that's at least as good as it. I hate the idea that everyone has that just because a certain game did well it needs to have a direct sequel to be just as good. There's no story to continue. There's no point in having a FOA 2. That's why I'm also against the idea of a DOTT 2.
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It also features the the scene where Marion is driving the truck and pulls up along side of a cliff. She looks over the cliff and smiles, knowingly. What she knows is that if she is to drive her truck off the cliff it will be miraculously saved by a series of branches sticking out of the cliff, reminiscent of the Temple of Doom awning scene. Clearly Marion is a psychic genius... and wasn't that a great trick she pulled on Indy, making him think that she'd lost her mind and was commiting suicide by driving off a cliff? :eek:
That part really bothered me.
In fact....it even blows my mind that it's possible for people to dislike ToD. It was a great adventure movie and truly in the vein of what the franchise represents.
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I kinda refuse to acknowledge it as a part of the series, sort of like I refuse acknowledging SW Episode 1 to 3. Apart from the really stupid stuff (like the fridge or that vine-swinging thing with the monkeys), I think aliens and Indy just don't mix. Also, the ending was way less epic than the endings of the original trilogy. When I saw it at the cinemas, I didn't really get why that chick melted. A buddy told me afterwards it was because the aliens overloaded her brain with knowledge. That is SO way less cool and epic than opening the Ark of Covenant, dueling on a broken bridge or choosing the wrong Grail... in my opinion, at least. Also, why did they show Marcus and Henry having died? Henry at least DRANK from the Grail and therefore should have become immortal, or at least get a vastly suspended lifespan. And don't even get me started on the ending, with the hat and stuff.
I dunno, I guess the 4th part was just lacking the charm of the original trilogy. I felt that Fate of Atlantis was WAY more in line with the spirit of the trilogy than the actual fourth part.
Like Spielberg said:
There's also a quote from either Spielberg or Lucas about how they made the movie during a bad time for both of them, with both of them very much under pressure from Hollywood to produce more and more of the same and both of them just coming out of long-term relationships, which turned the second movie into the dark, dull and joyless beast it is today, but I can't seem to find that quote right now (it might have been on the dvd commentary). If someone knows what I'm talking about, I'd appreciate it if they could provide a link.
I thought that, while Kingdom had it's problems, it was very much a return to the classic Indiana Jones-movies. It made me feel 15 years younger. I know it's popular on the internet to complain about Indiana Jones 4, especially after that South Park episode (although I do believe they had a point about Hollywood endlessly making sequels based on childhood memories), but it's everything an Indiana Jones-movie should be. Not as good as the first or third movie (but nothing will ever be, I guess), but still better than Temple of Doom, I'd say.
And yes, the aliens/fridge where fine. Sometimes I think that Temple of Doom gets a free pass just because it was made way back then.
To stay slightly on-topic: A Telltale Indiana Jones-series would be very, very cool.
For a start, it's dark. Easily the darkest of the lot. And for a series that's generally made of light-hearted romps with the occasional hairy moment, that's going to alienate some people.
Second (and simply put), it's not got Nazis. Rather than focusing on an unambiguous enemy will all know is evil, the film features the Thuggee, an ancient cult that practices human sacrifice. It's more original, but it's also, once again, different. It also means we need to learn about them, via what I call info-dumping (characters sitting around explaining stuff to each other, basically). This can also put people off.
Third, side characters. ToD has the two most annoying sidekicks of the series in Short Round and Willy. Other characters in the series are charming and likeable. Not here! Willy screams, Short Round has his high-pitched voice and neither endears themselves at all. Be it bad writing, be it poor acting, be it lacklustre direction, it doesn't matter - this is the only point I can't defend.
Fourth, no Sallah. Deal breaker, right there.
There's other reasons people don't like it, I'm sure. But they're the big ones.
As for Crystal Skull... I liked it, but it's obvious that there are numerous problems with it. An over-reliance on CGI for one, and some absurdly silly sequences that never should have made it into the final edit for another. But hey, nothing a good fan-edit doesn't (mostly) fix.
Back on topic - Fate of Atlantis is pretty much perfect as is, and I'm not sure remaking it would improve it at all. More Indy games in the same style though... those would be most welcome indeed.
Now, Telltale has a great track record for making quality adventure games and is starting to delve into already famed and beloved film franchises, so, who better to rescue Indiana from the depths of video game hell? It doesn't seem like it would be too difficult to get a Telltale/ Lucasarts teamup for a season of Indiana Jones games, seeing as they've already made Tales of Monkey Island together.
What are your thoughts? Would you enjoy the concept of a Indiana Jones game from Telltale? And if so, what types of story ideas would you have in mind?
an episodic game about Indiana Jones?
words can not describe how disappointing that is.
when all those hopes were flushed down the toilet. So really, Telltale is the only hope for an Indiana Jones video game that isn't an insult to fans of the movies.
(MERGGGGGGE)
Oh, really? They touched Monkey Island.
Hard puzzles
Great storyline, must feel like you're playing a movie
CAN NOT SCREW UP THE MOVIE FRANCHISE!
Harrison Ford. IF they can get him.
Monkey Island wasn't co-created by George Lucas himself.
That said, they've let other companies touch Star Wars so it wouldn't shock me if they let someone do a good Indy game. Until then, I'll just stick with Uncharted. It's close enough for me.
Blasphemy!
LOL High five
Soooo... Indiana Jones and the Farmville of Boredom! What do you think, guys - Drew Struzan poster?!?
That seems to be the path for poor ol' Indy these days. After the Crystal Skull, I really should have lost all hope for something good to come from this franchise. TTG, drop everything you're doing and step in right now.
Oddly enough, I've been playing Assassin's Creed: Project Legacy on Facebook, and I have yet to see anywhere you even can put in real-world money. Though on the other hand, I suppose it's meant as a tool to promote Ubisoft's $60 PS3/360/PC game.
Hey, I played that game!
I mean, that's horrible.
Actually, the game isn't really THAT bad, it's just... not that good.
How about a Maniac Mansion 3? Similar to how Day of the Tentacle wasn't a direct sequel to the original Maniac Mansion.