Capitol Punishment
Just wondering who would want this in effect in more countries. I would be for this depending on the crime say it was rape or murder ( excluding the mentally ill people who do it or self defence and whatever exceptional circumstances there may be) and only if they have full proof they're guilty. Also I don't think the death should be quick like being hung or shot in the head, they must suffer.
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I'm against capital punishment under all circumstances.
It's extremely expensive, inefficient, medieval and can result in wrongful death. I applaud the manufacturers of lethal injection drugs for growing a conscience and refusing to let the states use their drugs for executions.
I believe in capital punishment on the basis of "Penalty fits the Crime" and if proven guilty without a doubt.
Everybody loves the local firing squad.
Capital Punishment for all aggressive violent behavior. Resist Arrest, execution follows within minutes of arrest. Oh wait, some are saying that is already happening in the USA. sarcasm
I disagree, but respect your opinion.
The alternative is to keep them in a prison with 3 meals a day, healthcare, under watch etc, which in the long run, is far more costly than a small injection or some electricity on the chair. Personally, I believe all costs can be avoided entirely if they simply threw disgusting criminals off a cliff, the ocean can clean the remains.
Do you mind explaining? Just curious.
Fair enough
I agree, but for people who are clearly just plain sick, evil people, I am 100% for the death penalty. There are some sick people out there who don't deserve the life they have been blessed with...but mostly, death penalty should only be for those who have been 200% proven guilty and I understand you would have reasonings for that.
Actually the court process with obligatorily offered appeals and other such while the condemned waits on death row ends up costing more than it would otherwise to have them remain in prison for life (In some cases, literally millions). Just getting them on death row and staying there is expensive in and of itself.
Hay, Capital Punishment here has been completely abolished since 1984, and we appear to be doing just fine.
I'm sorry mate, but that is plainly barbaric; that borders on sadistic.
Even now, the so called "humane" execution method of lethal injection, being that they are not administered by trained physicians, can potentially be a VERY painful and inhumane way to die if the mixture is wrong. It relies on Sodium Thiopental for rendering the subject unconcious, Pancuronium Bromide for relaxing ALL skelletal muscles (e.g. the respiratory muscles) and Potasium Chloride for causing cardiac arrest.
Now, if the mix is wrongly done (which does happen), the Sodium Thiopental can wear off quickly and leave the subject asphyxiating from the Pancuronium Bromide and under cardiac arrest from the Potasium Chloride, completely conscious and aware. They would be unable to do anything about it, but wait as they slowly and painfully die.
EDIT: Also, the Pancuronium Bromide can potentially dilute the Sodium Thiopental, again resulting a slow death. (The Pancurium Bromide is also pointless since the subject is supposed to be restrained and anaesthetised)
There are so many flaws with this form of "serene and peaceful" execution, that I could be here spouting them for a long time.
That is why you just take them out to the back alley shootem in the back of the head. If their appeal is successful, just send their loved ones an apology with a box of chocolates.
This man knows his stuff.
Rapists and murderers deserve all the pain they get imo. Humane is not what the criminal thought when he shot those poor children, or raped those girls or etc. Quick and peaceful is the easy way out, possibly even a relief for the person charged.
I honestly feel no sympathy for people like this in the world, nil. For the amount of suffering they put on the victims (or lack of, in the case of murder), their families, their friends, and people around them, they deserve all the suffering they may receive from the death penalty and i'm not ashamed of saying that, to each their own though.
...Inhumane does not apply to sickos. People who are placed forward for capitol punishment, generally lack what it is to be human. But i get you.
Our prisoners are constitutionally guaranteed the right to appeal, especially those on death row. This has become an extremely long process since execution was reinstated. The appeals process is very expensive and can take a very long time. For instance, death row in my native Pennsylvania has been a logjam of appeals and motions for clemency since the nineties. There's a black panther who (supposedly, there's convincing evidence that he didn't) murdered a cop in the goddamn 80's and languished on death row for 30 years before being commuted to life. I actually still write to him occasionally. In some states, prisoners often die in captivity before the state can carry out their sentence. It's a comically pointless system.
I think the death penalty is immoral and I think people who approve of it are immoral. People who have committed crimes, even capital crimes, are nonetheless still human beings, and you don't get to kill them. You especially don't get to kill them if your only reason for taking the life of another human being is your fucking tax dollars. The whole "appeals are expensive, a bullet is 68 cents" crowd disgusts me. The other group that disgusts me is the people who think criminals are no longer human, and no longer have human rights. Keep people away for life, keep people in a mental hospital, fine, but I think every person by virtue of being a person, has the right to a chance to atone for what they've done, and I think that makes me a better Christian than most Christians out there (and I'm not even Christian).
I'll also had, if somebody is in prison for rape, do we get to rape them? Not the other prisons, I mean the citizens? And even if you think we can murder murderers and rape rapists, are you willing to do it yourself? Why not?
Under the right circumstances I think capital punishment would be the preferable outcome. But I also believe in cutting the cost of capital punishment. It might seem barbaric, but there already exist many ways for a quick death at little cost.
It's not the killing part that's expensive, it's the constitutionally guaranteed appeals process. It would be a helluva lot better if we just locked them up like the rest of the civilized world.
No thanks you could kill an innocent person and killing a murderer still makes you a murderer. But that's just my opinion just barbaric
Meh, guess I should have said I agree with the rational behind capital punishment under the right circumstances.
I do think some people deserve the capital punishment, but only in cases when the person is definitely guilty (confessing the crime, for example) and not applied to every murder (there are many motives for doing that).
I do think rehabilitation is better than execution, but there are just some cases, with many deranged people, where they simply aren't going to change their behaviour no matter how much you try. And the families of anyone who was victim to those hedious criminals deserve some closure.
It's a tough area but I'm only for it if it's something really bad and if there's definite proof.
Thanks. I do try.
I disagree respectfully. I can understand that point of view. Yes, a great many people have caused suffering that cannot be put in words. If we were to, however, do the same to them, what do we achieve? They suffer, yes, but it still is over relatively quickly; they still die. Furthermore, what good does it do? Money spent on capital punishment could be diverted to counseling for victims/family of the victims, and no study or report has concluded that the death penalty serves as a deterrent.
Also, to kill someone, intentionally making it so that the subject experiences as much pain as possible borders dangerously close to sadism.
I agree!