Its a video game/movie trope wherein you are a super badass but for some odd reason your abilities HAVE to get held back, usually by having to escort some defenseless, retarded, idiot (Sarah, Natalya from Goldeneye), you sprain an ankle, or in this case, the stupid baby that should've been dropped off at some encampment somewhere the second it was born.
since i've been given this dumb baby/chick with the broken ankle/Sarah, I have to sneak around for 3 hours with a cull box cutter
Ok… moreay, this part right is a bit confusing. Are you referencing Jane or are you suggesting a scenario where you're raising AJ alongside Sarah?
Though with that said, my first thought was my rewrites for Amid the Ruins and a bit of No Going Back.
I prefer TTG using in-house music and artists. I have not been disappointed with both. However, incorporating songs from musicians who are signed with a record label will delay the release of a game, especially if the goal is to have a simultaneous release in multiple territories.
Here's my list
1- when Jane first died I was sad kinda
2- I liked lee more than clem and I can accept an offer to replace her existence with Lee instead
3- I have a like/cringe feelings for gabes charecter
4- I wished clem died in season 2 so we won't see her as a cash grab for tt
5- Clem must die this season becuase I can't stand telltale's handling of her character and decision wise
6- I don't want a season 4 anymore
7- I don't like clems charecter this season at all this is not my clementine telltale
8- And last one is going to be I like rope
The fact that Kenny and Clementine didn't interact much in season 1 added to the quality of their storyline/friendship in season 2 rather than taking away from it.
The fact that Kenny and Clementine didn't interact much in season 1 added to the quality of their storyline/friendship in season 2 rather than taking away from it.
Clementine is boring me, and I don't understand people's demands to have more playing time as her.
Javi's story is interesting. Clem is just... there... now.
I'm sure that someone will write, "YEAH, WELL, this is what we're complaining about-- they're just kicking her to the side now, so OF COURSE she is getting boring."
Well.... The plus one thing is getting boring regardless.
Now don't get me wrong. This is not because I'd dislike Kenny. He's actually one of my favorites because of the love-hate thing I have for him. I like characters who aren't just perfect cinnamon rolls but who have flaws and make you think. I had problems with how they utilized him in S2. I just felt like he overshadowed the new cast in ways which hurt the overall story and character development. It didn't help that Kenny's story arc was basically a repeat from S1:
At first he's relatively happy with a loved one (S1: family / S2: Sarita)
...but also immediately in constant conflict with another character, creating several situations where you have to choose between him and another (S1: Lily / S2: Luke, later Jane).
His loved one dies but he's in denial about it (if you didn't chop off Sarita's arm he postpones putting her out for some possibility that she's different, much like he acted with Duck).
In his misery he lashes out at wrong people, saying pretty hurtful things to them (S1: calling Lee's relationship with Clementine a sham / S2: blaming Clementine for what happened).
After that his mind goes to a dark place; he's angry and depressed and develops a very strict plan about what the group should do (S1: boat / S2: Wellington) having little concern for other opinions.
There's a young guy (S1: Ben / S2: Arvo) who he takes his anger on, blames them for what's happened and wants to leave them behind.
Not only that but in their desire to create drama by making other characters butt heads with Kenny, they messed up with the consistency.
Luke for example! Earlier he insisted Clem to come with him to the bridge since she's a very "valuable/capable little girl", then he made her talk to the stranger (Matthew), climb up to the tower and also wanted her to steal him a walkie talkie while in Carver's camp. However, when it came time for her to sneak into Carver's office to meddle with the sound system, Luke suddenly went: "Wait! THAT'S the plan?" Ummm... haven't you been the one who believes Clementine can handle herself? It's like in that moment they just wanted him to conflict with Kenny and thus ended up ignoring his previous traits.
To me it seemed like they were, at first, trying to pit Luke and Kenny against each other and in order to do so had little care for the already established characteristics Luke had. In the end this whole setup became too unbalanced and they decided to switch to Jane instead. At least that's how it felt to me. I was always a bit baffled/annoyed about the forced bonding with Jane which happened in such a short time but the reason became pretty clear in the last episode. They once again wanted to set someone as the "anti-Kenny" and make us choose between the two.
Meanwhile basically all cabin group members were killed off without a thought for their development (goddammit Sarah you had such potential).
Javier, Kate, and the kids did NOT leave their house on the same night that Lee was at the St. John's dairy.
The Garcia family waited for David for exactly 3 months from the start of the apocalypse before they left.
We first see Lee on like day 2, since shit has been happening but is just now getting bad (like Vince's story on day 2). He passes out in the car for a day, wakes up and finds Clementine. Spends the night at Hershel's farm. That places him on day 4 by the end of episode 1. THEN there is the 3 month time skip.
So while the Garcia's left exactly at the 3 month mark, Lee's group had a couple days under their belts before the 3 month time skip, meaning that the Garcia's abandoned their home just a few days before the events of S1E2.
Javier, Kate, and the kids did NOT leave their house on the same night that Lee was at the St. John's dairy.
The Garcia family waited for… more David for exactly 3 months from the start of the apocalypse before they left.
We first see Lee on like day 2, since shit has been happening but is just now getting bad (like Vince's story on day 2). He passes out in the car for a day, wakes up and finds Clementine. Spends the night at Hershel's farm. That places him on day 4 by the end of episode 1. THEN there is the 3 month time skip.
So while the Garcia's left exactly at the 3 month mark, Lee's group had a couple days under their belts before the 3 month time skip, meaning that the Garcia's abandoned their home just a few days before the events of S1E2.
In episode 3, Jesus felt really out of character compared to how he is in the comic with that whole humanity thing. He's one of Hilltop soldiers and best fighters, who later on has killed plenty, but gets mad at Javier for ending someones life. just lol
In episode 3, Jesus felt really out of character compared to how he is in the comic with that whole humanity thing. He's one of Hilltop sol… morediers and best fighters, who later on has killed plenty, but gets mad at Javier for ending someones life. just lol
Yup. I was excited in episode 2, but episode 3 in regards to Jesus really lets me down, so I hope that he does not return. I, however, am excited for future walking dead projects involving comic character as main protagonists, as I think Michonne's story was really well worked.
Same here. I liked him in Episode 2 but for fuck's sake, he was acting like a fucking governor to me for killing someone during the apocalypse, no wonder he is nicknamed and looks like Jesus.
In episode 3, Jesus felt really out of character compared to how he is in the comic with that whole humanity thing. He's one of Hilltop sol… morediers and best fighters, who later on has killed plenty, but gets mad at Javier for ending someones life. just lol
I sincerely dislike Clementine at this point in time and hope her ending is an absolute one not marred with any interpretive ambiguity whatsoever.
Plus, she sucks anyway now. Her dying would impact the story about as much a light drizzle would to a car at this point, but at least you'd need to switch on your windshield wipers instead of the vehicle continuing to speed down a long one-way street of no sights and empty vistas.
I sincerely dislike Clementine at this point in time and hope her ending is an absolute one not marred with any interpretive ambiguity whats… moreoever.
Plus, she sucks anyway now. Her dying would impact the story about as much a light drizzle would to a car at this point, but at least you'd need to switch on your windshield wipers instead of the vehicle continuing to speed down a long one-way street of no sights and empty vistas.
I like Clementine's spot in this Season, I always wanted her as a character and not as "us". When I made a post about this, people missed "this" and went to attack my claim against Cabin Crew.
I prefer Clementine's role in this Season because it's much close to Season 1's way of using her. People didn't realize that she wasn't in every scene, she probably has nearly the same amount of screen time in Season 1 as she does in Season 3. Though, the discussion is primarily down to the fact that:
I prefer Clementine as a character and prefer someone like Javier as "us".
Lee's death has been pointless the moment Clementine became a brooding blank-slate personality with no identifiable character-traits to speak of whatsoever. A lone shotgun wielding vessel for insipid dialogue to scratch at the chalkboards of mediocrity.
And, if we're being super technical with your claim. Death is pointless anyway, it needs no great catharsis to be understood or reconciled with.
Lee's death has been pointless the moment Clementine became a brooding blank-slate personality with no identifiable character-traits to speak of whatsoever.
Lee's death has been pointless the moment Clementine became a brooding blank-slate personality with no identifiable character-traits to spea… morek of whatsoever. A lone shotgun wielding vessel for insipid dialogue to scratch at the chalkboards of mediocrity.
And, if we're being super technical with your claim. Death is pointless anyway, it needs no great catharsis to be understood or reconciled with.
You know what I'm pretty sure is unpopular, though? Considering Carver to be your second favorite antagonist of the entire franchise (not just the games), just behind comic Negan.
...I'm referring to myself as having that opinion, if you aren't catching my drift.
The fact that Kenny and Clementine didn't interact much in season 1 added to the quality of their storyline/friendship in season 2 rather than taking away from it.
I don't think that's unpopular.
You know what I'm pretty sure is unpopular, though? Considering Carver to be your second favorite antagon… moreist of the entire franchise (not just the games), just behind comic Negan.
...I'm referring to myself as having that opinion, if you aren't catching my drift.
The guy in the Michonne DLC (what was his name again) was just a complete loon. I remember giving him a chance to escape and then him charging mindlessly at Michonne and getting himself killed. He is worse than Troy nevermind Carver in terms of being a one dimensional villain.
The guy in the Michonne DLC (what was his name again) was just a complete loon. I remember giving him a chance to escape and then him chargi… moreng mindlessly at Michonne and getting himself killed. He is worse than Troy nevermind Carver in terms of being a one dimensional villain.
I sincerely dislike Clementine at this point in time and hope her ending is an absolute one not marred with any interpretive ambiguity whats… moreoever.
Plus, she sucks anyway now. Her dying would impact the story about as much a light drizzle would to a car at this point, but at least you'd need to switch on your windshield wipers instead of the vehicle continuing to speed down a long one-way street of no sights and empty vistas.
Kate is the most interesting character in the season so far.
Someone who actually has fears, temptations, ambitions, faults, strengths, and all the other things that can help get me invested in a character's identity is such a breath of fresh air in a cast otherwise made up largely by stoic one-dimensional mumble-fucks.
And, for the first time since Amid the Ruins, I actually kind of give a little of a shit about the well-being of a character.
Kate is the most interesting character in the season so far.
Someone who actually has fears, temptations, ambitions, faults, strengths, and all the other things that can help get me invested in a character's identity is such a breath of fresh air in a cast otherwise made up largely by stoic one-dimensional mumble-fucks.
Definitely agreed, at least in Ties that Bind. I actually think Above the Law on its own really downplays a lot of her character to the point that it can feel like a 180, even if it is a perfect case of OOC is Serious Business.
And, for the first time since Amid the Ruins, I actually kind of give a little of a shit about the well-being of a character.
Kate is the most interesting character in the season so far.
Someone who actually has fears, temptations, ambitions, faults, strengths, a… morend all the other things that can help get me invested in a character's identity is such a breath of fresh air in a cast otherwise made up largely by stoic one-dimensional mumble-fucks.
And, for the first time since Amid the Ruins, I actually kind of give a little of a shit about the well-being of a character.
YES, OKAY! I CARED ABOUT SARAH TO AN EXTENT AND WANTED TO SEE HER MAKE IT THROUGH THE TRAUMA SHE ENDURED!
XD
But in all seriousness, as much as I disliked Sarah, Amid the Ruins did an excellent job of giving in-depth viewpoints from opposing sides as to whether or not she was salvageable and I actually kind of liked it. It added a great deal of tension in the story where In Harms Way had none, and felt like the plot was picking back up again.
It also made her demise all the more disingenuous and cruel, but up until that point I was on board with at least acting as a counselor, which isn't easy for any game to do.
Kate is the most interesting character in the season so far.
Someone who actually has fears, temptations, ambitions, faults, strength… mores, and all the other things that can help get me invested in a character's identity is such a breath of fresh air in a cast otherwise made up largely by stoic one-dimensional mumble-fucks.
Definitely agreed, at least in Ties that Bind. I actually think Above the Law on its own really downplays a lot of her character to the point that it can feel like a 180, even if it is a perfect case of OOC is Serious Business.
And, for the first time since Amid the Ruins, I actually kind of give a little of a shit about the well-being of a character.
Dare I ask?
YES, OKAY! I CARED ABOUT SARAH TO AN EXTENT AND WANTED TO SEE HER MAKE IT THROUGH THE TRAUMA SHE ENDURED!
Oh! Um, okay then. For a second there, I honestly assumed you meant Jane since you've mentioned how much you hate No Going Back(which even I thought was responsible for a fair amount of the bullshit around her character beyond the Sarah Situation, along with her being at the center of most of the bullshit with the episode itself), but interesting to hear that.
But in all seriousness, as much as I disliked Sarah, Amid the Ruins did an excellent job of giving in-depth viewpoints from opposing sides as to whether or not she was salvageable and I actually kind of liked it. It added a great deal of tension in the story where In Harms Way had none, and felt like the plot was picking back up again.
Yeah and that honestly is kinda why I don't outright decry all of the shit she went through, as well as why I never Jane was dead on arrival despite considering her my personal worst character. Like, there's nothing inherently wrong with conflict and suffering in a story as long as there's some sort of light at the end of the tunnel. Jane and Kenny got so much love and attention even with how they ultimately ended up, with plenty of consolation on the side--Sarah didn't even get that much.
It also made her demise all the more disingenuous and cruel, but up until that point I was on board with at least acting as a counselor, which isn't easy for any game to do.
Yeah, I don't know if anything will "top" that in terms of the worst things that happened in this game series. The fact that the typical accusations of the creators hating a character aren't hyperbolized this time makes it all the more disgusting. Like, if I hate a character so much, I'd try find a way to make them more interesting to me as a writer or at the very least, develop them away from what made me hate them in the first place. What they did to Sarah was lazy, spiteful, borderline unprofessional, detrimental to the story, and quite frankly, something I'll likely never forgive, much less forget.
Dare I ask?
YES, OKAY! I CARED ABOUT SARAH TO AN EXTENT AND WANTED TO SEE HER MAKE IT THROUGH THE TRAUMA SHE ENDURED!
XD
But i… moren all seriousness, as much as I disliked Sarah, Amid the Ruins did an excellent job of giving in-depth viewpoints from opposing sides as to whether or not she was salvageable and I actually kind of liked it. It added a great deal of tension in the story where In Harms Way had none, and felt like the plot was picking back up again.
It also made her demise all the more disingenuous and cruel, but up until that point I was on board with at least acting as a counselor, which isn't easy for any game to do.
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Its a video game/movie trope wherein you are a super badass but for some odd reason your abilities HAVE to get held back, usually by having to escort some defenseless, retarded, idiot (Sarah, Natalya from Goldeneye), you sprain an ankle, or in this case, the stupid baby that should've been dropped off at some encampment somewhere the second it was born.
I prefer TTG using in-house music and artists. I have not been disappointed with both. However, incorporating songs from musicians who are signed with a record label will delay the release of a game, especially if the goal is to have a simultaneous release in multiple territories.
Here's my list
1- when Jane first died I was sad kinda
2- I liked lee more than clem and I can accept an offer to replace her existence with Lee instead
3- I have a like/cringe feelings for gabes charecter
4- I wished clem died in season 2 so we won't see her as a cash grab for tt
5- Clem must die this season becuase I can't stand telltale's handling of her character and decision wise
6- I don't want a season 4 anymore
7- I don't like clems charecter this season at all this is not my clementine telltale
8- And last one is going to be I like rope
I think I enjoy the 2nd half of Ties that Bind better than the 1st one.
Clementine ate Christa's baby because she was starving to death.
Wrong thread?
The fact that Kenny and Clementine didn't interact much in season 1 added to the quality of their storyline/friendship in season 2 rather than taking away from it.
Eh...I can definitely see that as the likely intent, but I think the end result is...subjective.(Okay)
Clementine is boring me, and I don't understand people's demands to have more playing time as her.
Javi's story is interesting. Clem is just... there... now.
I'm sure that someone will write, "YEAH, WELL, this is what we're complaining about-- they're just kicking her to the side now, so OF COURSE she is getting boring."
Well.... The plus one thing is getting boring regardless.
I don't like many of Season 1's hubs
I think having Kenny return in S2 was a mistake
Now don't get me wrong. This is not because I'd dislike Kenny. He's actually one of my favorites because of the love-hate thing I have for him. I like characters who aren't just perfect cinnamon rolls but who have flaws and make you think. I had problems with how they utilized him in S2. I just felt like he overshadowed the new cast in ways which hurt the overall story and character development. It didn't help that Kenny's story arc was basically a repeat from S1:
Not only that but in their desire to create drama by making other characters butt heads with Kenny, they messed up with the consistency.
Luke for example! Earlier he insisted Clem to come with him to the bridge since she's a very "valuable/capable little girl", then he made her talk to the stranger (Matthew), climb up to the tower and also wanted her to steal him a walkie talkie while in Carver's camp. However, when it came time for her to sneak into Carver's office to meddle with the sound system, Luke suddenly went: "Wait! THAT'S the plan?" Ummm... haven't you been the one who believes Clementine can handle herself? It's like in that moment they just wanted him to conflict with Kenny and thus ended up ignoring his previous traits.
To me it seemed like they were, at first, trying to pit Luke and Kenny against each other and in order to do so had little care for the already established characteristics Luke had. In the end this whole setup became too unbalanced and they decided to switch to Jane instead. At least that's how it felt to me. I was always a bit baffled/annoyed about the forced bonding with Jane which happened in such a short time but the reason became pretty clear in the last episode. They once again wanted to set someone as the "anti-Kenny" and make us choose between the two.
Meanwhile basically all cabin group members were killed off without a thought for their development (goddammit Sarah you had such potential).
Javier, Kate, and the kids did NOT leave their house on the same night that Lee was at the St. John's dairy.
The Garcia family waited for David for exactly 3 months from the start of the apocalypse before they left.
We first see Lee on like day 2, since shit has been happening but is just now getting bad (like Vince's story on day 2). He passes out in the car for a day, wakes up and finds Clementine. Spends the night at Hershel's farm. That places him on day 4 by the end of episode 1. THEN there is the 3 month time skip.
So while the Garcia's left exactly at the 3 month mark, Lee's group had a couple days under their belts before the 3 month time skip, meaning that the Garcia's abandoned their home just a few days before the events of S1E2.
I think this belongs in the details thread, bud.
Good point, I'll post it there too
In episode 3, Jesus felt really out of character compared to how he is in the comic with that whole humanity thing. He's one of Hilltop soldiers and best fighters, who later on has killed plenty, but gets mad at Javier for ending someones life. just lol
Why is he even in the game
Fanservice. Well that and a neat worlding-building angle, I guess.
Yup. I was excited in episode 2, but episode 3 in regards to Jesus really lets me down, so I hope that he does not return. I, however, am excited for future walking dead projects involving comic character as main protagonists, as I think Michonne's story was really well worked.
Same here. I liked him in Episode 2 but for fuck's sake, he was acting like a fucking governor to me for killing someone during the apocalypse, no wonder he is nicknamed and looks like Jesus.
I sincerely dislike Clementine at this point in time and hope her ending is an absolute one not marred with any interpretive ambiguity whatsoever.
Plus, she sucks anyway now. Her dying would impact the story about as much a light drizzle would to a car at this point, but at least you'd need to switch on your windshield wipers instead of the vehicle continuing to speed down a long one-way street of no sights and empty vistas.
Her dying would make Lee's death POINTLESS. At least leave her unknown.
I like Clementine's spot in this Season, I always wanted her as a character and not as "us". When I made a post about this, people missed "this" and went to attack my claim against Cabin Crew.
I prefer Clementine's role in this Season because it's much close to Season 1's way of using her. People didn't realize that she wasn't in every scene, she probably has nearly the same amount of screen time in Season 1 as she does in Season 3. Though, the discussion is primarily down to the fact that:
I prefer Clementine as a character and prefer someone like Javier as "us".
Lee's death has been pointless the moment Clementine became a brooding blank-slate personality with no identifiable character-traits to speak of whatsoever. A lone shotgun wielding vessel for insipid dialogue to scratch at the chalkboards of mediocrity.
And, if we're being super technical with your claim. Death is pointless anyway, it needs no great catharsis to be understood or reconciled with.
Sad but true, I suppose.
Carver was a far worse, borderline Generic Doomsday villain than the actual one(s) in Michonne DLC.
I don't think that's unpopular.
You know what I'm pretty sure is unpopular, though? Considering Carver to be your second favorite antagonist of the entire franchise (not just the games), just behind comic Negan.
...I'm referring to myself as having that opinion, if you aren't catching my drift.
I guess it can show that even the smallest familiar thing can make a friendship.... but it can be subjective
A New Frontier is actually pretty good.
Jane is still an alright person.
Those are the only two I've got so far.
Probably so. I just felt like posting it since it was on my mind recently.
No, I didn't! Thanks for including that pal. I'm guessing you prefer straight smug assholes to the ambiguous extremists then?
The guy in the Michonne DLC (what was his name again) was just a complete loon. I remember giving him a chance to escape and then him charging mindlessly at Michonne and getting himself killed. He is worse than Troy nevermind Carver in terms of being a one dimensional villain.
Agreed, the Michonne villains were laughably bad. Carver was extremely shallow too though.
This series deserves no more seasons after ANF.
Lol!! Agreed!
Kate is the most interesting character in the season so far.
Someone who actually has fears, temptations, ambitions, faults, strengths, and all the other things that can help get me invested in a character's identity is such a breath of fresh air in a cast otherwise made up largely by stoic one-dimensional mumble-fucks.
And, for the first time since Amid the Ruins, I actually kind of give a little of a shit about the well-being of a character.
Definitely agreed, at least in Ties that Bind. I actually think Above the Law on its own really downplays a lot of her character to the point that it can feel like a 180, even if it is a perfect case of OOC is Serious Business.
Dare I ask?
YES, OKAY! I CARED ABOUT SARAH TO AN EXTENT AND WANTED TO SEE HER MAKE IT THROUGH THE TRAUMA SHE ENDURED!
XD
But in all seriousness, as much as I disliked Sarah, Amid the Ruins did an excellent job of giving in-depth viewpoints from opposing sides as to whether or not she was salvageable and I actually kind of liked it. It added a great deal of tension in the story where In Harms Way had none, and felt like the plot was picking back up again.
It also made her demise all the more disingenuous and cruel, but up until that point I was on board with at least acting as a counselor, which isn't easy for any game to do.
Oh! Um, okay then. For a second there, I honestly assumed you meant Jane since you've mentioned how much you hate No Going Back(which even I thought was responsible for a fair amount of the bullshit around her character beyond the Sarah Situation, along with her being at the center of most of the bullshit with the episode itself), but interesting to hear that.
Yeah and that honestly is kinda why I don't outright decry all of the shit she went through, as well as why I never Jane was dead on arrival despite considering her my personal worst character. Like, there's nothing inherently wrong with conflict and suffering in a story as long as there's some sort of light at the end of the tunnel. Jane and Kenny got so much love and attention even with how they ultimately ended up, with plenty of consolation on the side--Sarah didn't even get that much.
Yeah, I don't know if anything will "top" that in terms of the worst things that happened in this game series. The fact that the typical accusations of the creators hating a character aren't hyperbolized this time makes it all the more disgusting. Like, if I hate a character so much, I'd try find a way to make them more interesting to me as a writer or at the very least, develop them away from what made me hate them in the first place. What they did to Sarah was lazy, spiteful, borderline unprofessional, detrimental to the story, and quite frankly, something I'll likely never forgive, much less forget.
Resident Evil Revelations 2 is better than The Walking Dead A New Frontier.
Note: I haven't played/seen anything from Thicker than Water yet, so this isn't (hopefully?) a spoiler so much as a precaution on my part.
This whole sexism thing needs to be nipped in the bud.
EDIT:Shit!
I have never cared for Rick or his family in the comics and tv show