Sierra Adventure Games Hit Steam

edited August 2009 in General Chat
http://www.joystiq.com/2009/07/23/space-quest-and-kings-quest-collections-join-steam-with-other/

Apparently Vivendi wants to steal LucasArt's idea :P Go figure. In any case, King's Quest and Space Quest "complete collections" for $20 ($15 sale right now tho)
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  • edited July 2009
    This is good news, though I still won't buy them.

    I already bought the 2006 reissues of Space Quest and King's Quest, with Police Quest to boot.
  • edited July 2009
    I honestly can't decide. I am not as much a fan of Sierra's stuff. I did enjoy King's Quest V and VI, though they get somewhat... I don't know, a little too highbrow at times I think. I can only take so many literary "jokes" :P (har har, they made a Dangling Participle into a possum-like creature!)

    Also, some of the older ones are *really* dated. Text parsers and somewhat primitive EGA graphics... Of course, these are conveniently left out of the Steam pages' screenshots ;)

    I will admit my Space Quest experience is rather limited though ;) I *did* really like Police Quest and Quest for Glory, but given the company is essentially Activision now, I doubt we'll see those. They are only going to pick franchises they can "exploit" :P
  • edited July 2009
    Just never really was a big fan of Sierra, but I guess this is good news.
  • edited July 2009
    I'm rather dissapointed they didn't include AGDI remakes in the King's Quest collection. I believe that was the plan back when Vivendi still had rights to these games.

    EDIT

    I was mistaken, but not by much ;) Here's what Anonymous Game Creator 2 wrote on the AGDI forum:
    Like King's Quest v4.0, this King's Quest II v3.0 remake was originally slated to be included on Vivendi's King's Quest Collection, but those plans were not passed onto their new project manager when the internal team working on the collections was changed.
  • edited July 2009
    They don't officially support Vista, any word on if they work fine on Vista?

    I've never played Sierra games because I'm not a fan of being whacked over the head if I make a mistake, but I have considered just grabbing some walkthroughs and running through them at some point.
  • edited July 2009
    Pale Man wrote: »
    They don't officially support Vista, any word on if they work fine on Vista?

    I've never played Sierra games because I'm not a fan of being whacked over the head if I make a mistake, but I have considered just grabbing some walkthroughs and running through them at some point.
    That's only way I've really enjoyed the earlier ones. I'm kind of interested due to the sake of the history of it all - much like text adventures interest me in the same way.
  • edited July 2009
    Couldn't get into the Sierra games... all that dying gave me a headache.
  • edited July 2009
    Pale Man wrote: »
    They don't officially support Vista, any word on if they work fine on Vista?

    They should work on 32bit Vista, except for King's Quest VII. That, however, may still run, if only in a window.

    Take a look here: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=923874
  • edited July 2009
    This is a great year for adventure game fans.. Hopefully they add police quest as well.. I can't buy any of these games in my region though which sucks!
  • edited July 2009
    I'm not really a big fan of the old Sierra games.. although I did really love the Police Quest games, Goldrush! and The Black Couldron.

    Never played King's Quest although I've always wanted to.

    I've got the 2006 reissue of Space Quest but still haven't given it a spin :(

    STILL, FANTASTIC NEWS FOR ADVENTURE GAMING!!! :D
  • edited July 2009
    Ah man while I LOVE the Sierra adventures, especially Kings Quest and Quest For Glory, I would just rather see them sit on my shelf than buy them offline.

    It's another reason I was disappointed with the Secret of Monkey Island: Special Edition. While the game is awesome; I just wanted it for the collector value.

    It's great news, but not the greatest news. :)
  • edited July 2009
    This is great! Sierra's games are what got me into the genre; without them I would have never tried Sam & Max or Monkey Island. Let's hope Quest for Glory will be among the offerings shortly.

    To those of you who dislike all the dying in their games, I wish you'd give them another chance. As long as you save your game a lot, the death scenes are often a good chance for another laugh, especially in the Space Quest and Quest for Glory games. I'm not saying the "you can die" philosophy is better than the LucasArts/Telltale "you shouldn't be punished for trying something" one, but it is what it is, and it's not all bad. Give them another shot. Just save compulsively. :)
  • edited July 2009
    My largest problem with Sierra is 1) the oldest entries in the series didn't age well to the point of frustrating playability 2) dead ends you have no idea about. Two is worse than one. I don't mind easy death if I can still finish the game.
  • edited July 2009
    PariahKing wrote: »
    dead ends you have no idea about.

    Yeah, another thing that really turned me off from ever actually playing through them.
  • edited July 2009
    My biggest problem with Sierra is... errr.... can't think of any!

    Anyway, there are plenty of Sierra games that you won't die. And Sierra is slightly more faithful in the 'choose-your-own-adventure' mantra, where you can actually make a decision (be it a wrong or fatal one) instead of getting stuck in following the designers logic.

    Hope Steam releases Phantasmasgoria. It's a one game that I really wanted to play again. Oh! Shivers too.
  • edited July 2009
    smashing wrote: »
    My biggest problem with Sierra is... errr.... can't think of any!

    Anyway, there are plenty of Sierra games that you won't die. And Sierra is slightly more faithful in the 'choose-your-own-adventure' mantra, where you can actually make a decision (be it a wrong or fatal one) instead of getting stuck in following the designers logic.

    Hope Steam releases Phantasmasgoria. It's a one game that I really wanted to play again. Oh! Shivers too.

    I have a copy of Phantasmagoria floating around here somewhere, never actually installed or played it, got it on ebay in a lot of other games. And I do have Shivers Two, and I did actually complete that game, but I never played the original one.
  • edited July 2009
    I just got the King's Quest collection a couple of months ago! Darn!

    I wonder if they'll put the Gabriel Knight series on Steam?
  • edited July 2009
    I just got the King's Quest collection a couple of months ago! Darn!

    I wonder if they'll put the Gabriel Knight series on Steam?

    Ever since they bundle the full game of Gabriel Knight 1 in the Computer Gaming World magazine, there are plentiful of copies around. Yet to see a minty Beast Within on ebay or from retail yet, but I would really love to have a copy of that (instead of getting it off steam).

    I can't be bothered with GK3.
  • edited July 2009
    smashing wrote: »
    Hope Steam releases Phantasmasgoria. It's a one game that I really wanted to play again. Oh! Shivers too.

    Vehemently agreed. Never did finish either Shivers game. Loved the soundtrack in the sequel, though. Cheesy rock at it's finest, with a couple of honestly good tracks.
  • edited July 2009
    ShaggE wrote: »
    Vehemently agreed. Never did finish either Shivers game. Loved the soundtrack in the sequel, though. Cheesy rock at it's finest, with a couple of honestly good tracks.

    I still listen to the soundtrack regularly. "Was I Even There?" is a personal favorite.
  • edited July 2009
    ^ Co-incidentally, I was just listening to that yesterday!

    The Shivers games were pretty good. Did someone mention Phantasmagoria? I really should go play that again sometime. I love that crazy Don!
  • edited July 2009
    smashing wrote: »
    Ever since they bundle the full game of Gabriel Knight 1 in the Computer Gaming World magazine, there are plentiful of copies around. Yet to see a minty Beast Within on ebay or from retail yet, but I would really love to have a copy of that (instead of getting it off steam).

    I can't be bothered with GK3.

    I got GK1 first, but then when looking for GK2 the only way I could get it was a bundle pack with GK1! So I have two copies of GK1 (I think I still got the box I got the 1st copy in) if anyone wants?
  • edited July 2009
    It's pleasant to see so many people who share the interest in Sierra games, other than the XXXXX Quests and LSL. In fact, Sierra is really more defining in the adventure gaming industry than LA, that covers and tested with lots of genres.

    I really hope that these other not so famous Sierra games will get their rightful re-releases (or remakes) so that a new generation of players will get the chance to one of the more successful adventure franchise in the past.
  • edited July 2009
    smashing wrote: »
    It's pleasant to see so many people who share the interest in Sierra games
    ...for those who don't like Sierra games, anyway. :(
  • edited July 2009
    Around here it costs less than €10 to buy 2006 CD version of King's Quest and Space Quest collections, so buying from Steam would be more expensive. I would however be willing to buy Gabriel Knight 2 via Steam if they put Gabriel Knight -series there, because CD-version is impossible to find (sure there are torrents around, but because I don't practise piracy, I want to get legitimate copy).
  • edited July 2009
    I never really understood the appeal of steam. I downloaded it to get Audiosurf and it seems to just make it harder to get to my games!
  • edited July 2009
    Pale Man wrote: »
    I still listen to the soundtrack regularly. "Was I Even There?" is a personal favorite.

    Heh, that's my favorite too. :D (although Burn the Pain gets more play from me, for some reason)
  • edited August 2009
    Why oh why could they not give these series a little love and rework the engines to not require Dosbox. Kind of lame IMO.
  • edited August 2009
    I hope this trend continues, I'd love to see more adventure games conveniently available through steam (and similar services). I grew up playing Gabriel Knight: Sins of the Fathers, and I havent been able to play it in years. I dream of a rerelease.
    And on that note, maybe Lucasarts could make Grim Fandango available eventually. It's not like they're doing anything else with that franchise, and it could potentially make them money again if released to a new audience.
  • edited August 2009
    Ayato wrote: »
    I hope this trend continues, I'd love to see more adventure games conveniently available through steam (and similar services). I grew up playing Gabriel Knight: Sins of the Fathers, and I havent been able to play it in years. I dream of a rerelease.
    And on that note, maybe Lucasarts could make Grim Fandango available eventually. It's not like they're doing anything else with that franchise, and it could potentially make them money again if released to a new audience.

    Maybe older games were easier to made compatible with the new systems (all you really need is some DOS emulation). Some people have reported that Grim Fandango has serious issues with the XP (although I had zero issues when I replayed it in June) and I don't know how well it works with Vista. And I don't know if LucasArts wants to spend resources to make games work in the new OS.
  • edited August 2009
    Grim Fandango crashed constantly when I tried to play it on XP. :(

    I know Lucasarts has at least mentioned it in their big announcement about putting their older games on Steam, and it would be a real shame to keep sitting on it, especially if they plan to keep doing rereleases.
  • edited August 2009
    I really enjoyed the first Kings Quest game... even though I only played to make fun of it!
  • edited August 2009
    Grim will probably get a special edition and become lucrative.
  • edited August 2009
    natlinxz wrote: »
    I really enjoyed the first Kings Quest game... even though I only played to make fun of it!

    It's a nice game in it's own limited way. Despite small game area and short duration it has some nice puzzles which really make you think. If you liked the first one, you should also try King's Quest 2, which is pretty similar with the first game, except that story is better and you have bigger area to explore.
    PariahKing wrote: »
    Grim will probably get a special edition and become lucrative.

    Why would Grim Fandango need a SE? All it would need is a patch which solves some compatibility problems, but even that is unlikely since LucasArts has had rather hostile attitude towards XP patches (for example Infernal Machine is practically unplayable in modern systems and Lucas refused to do anything to fix the issues).
  • edited August 2009
    Why would Grim Fandango need a SE? All it would need is a patch which solves some compatibility problems, but even that is unlikely since LucasArts has had rather hostile attitude towards XP patches (for example Infernal Machine is practically unplayable in modern systems and Lucas refused to do anything to fix the issues).

    They just released Loom, both Indy adventures, and The Dig on Steam, as well as updating MI1, why wouldn't they do the same for anything else?

    I think updating the models for GF and maybe retouching the backdrops for a higher resolution would be great.
  • edited August 2009
    They had an interview and Grim was one of the names their new president name dropped.
  • edited August 2009
    Pale Man wrote: »
    They just released Loom, both Indy adventures, and The Dig on Steam, as well as updating MI1, why wouldn't they do the same for anything else?

    I think updating the models for GF and maybe retouching the backdrops for a higher resolution would be great.

    All except SMI:SE are DOS games which run on emulator. It's certainly much easier to make DOS games use emulator than make real XP patches for Win95 games. Also Monkey Island is certainly most succesful adventure game series LucasArts has ever made, while Grim Fandango was a commerical failure. I would expect to see sequels or SE versions of more succesful titles first. Also compared to first Monkey Island graphics of Grim Fandango haven't suffered similar inflation.

    Personally I don't see why GF, Curse or Escape would need new graphics, like some people have suggested on these forums, because those games still look quite good. Don't get me wrong, I really like Grim Fandango, but I would rather see XP patch and proper sequel (or prequel) than some SE version of the original game.
  • edited August 2009
    Escape's backgrounds look fine yeah, but the actual characters look terrible. Curse could use better facial animation, the intended ending written by the producers that saw that cutscene get dropped from the game, and better widescreen. Grim could also use the little line bar with the words - playing without that really sucks.

    SEs are the path to new adventures from LucasArts or further licensing. Have to represent the licenses to audiences so they care about sequels.

    Besides, we're working to Windows 7 - XP is pretty old at this point.
  • edited August 2009
    PariahKing wrote: »
    Escape's backgrounds look fine yeah, but the actual characters look terrible. Curse could use better facial animation, the intended ending written by the producers that saw that cutscene get dropped from the game, and better widescreen. Grim could also use the little line bar with the words - playing without that really sucks.

    SEs are the path to new adventures from LucasArts or further licensing. Have to represent the licenses to audiences so they care about sequels.

    Besides, we're working to Windows 7 - XP is pretty old at this point.

    I liked the idea of SE in case of SMI, because I thought it as a tribute to the classic and I might be willing to pay for SE version of LCR, but that's it.

    I certainly won't be buying new version of every LucasArts title, because that would feel like killing the golden goose. But I support the idea that they put originals to Steam, so that I could buy the ones which I don't have (that is Labyrinth, Maniac Mansions and Zak).

    However if they introduce new titles instead of SEs, then they can have my money. Sierra tried the same remake stunt in the early 90's and eventually abandoned the remakes, because not enough fans were willing to pay twice for the games which they already owned. I'm betting that if Lucas would just focus to SEs they would soon start thinking that making adventure games is not good business.
  • edited August 2009
    Blah DosBox. They put no love into releasing these.

    LucasArts did it right by remaking the first monkey island. Although I do not agree with the interface changes. People need to buy that game so hopefully more are remade. Like the Dig, Indy , Full Throttle , DOTT, maniac mansion etc....

    I think they could also expand upon these games and give you the choice to play an expanded version as well as switch between the graphic modes.
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