I played all of the originals, and I also have no idea what you mean. I think the new ones and old ones were both built to be played by young people, while having mature jokes for adults playing as well. I also remember the joke as swearing in longhand, for what it is worth.
I said, for lack of a better word, "bizarre". Not "mature". I think there's a difference and I think at least some people got it, judging by the reactions on the previous page.
I played all of the originals, and I also have no idea what you mean. I think the new ones and old ones were both built to be played by young people, while having mature jokes for adults playing as well. I also remember the joke as swearing in longhand, for what it is worth.
Sam: "Percent sign ampersand dollar sign!"
Max: "And colon semi-colon, too!"
Guy: "What are you &#*in' doing?"
Sam: "Swearing in longhand, asterisk-mouth."
I've played Sam 'N Max and really enjoyed it but still feel the humor is watered down to cater for a family audience, esp. compared to the original.
And I think TOMI's humor is also watered down compared to the original.
Telltale, please for your next franchise create a more adult-oriented game. Some of us are still single you know, and don't have kids yet.
So how about some edgier, darker. more biting humor? Just one season's worth that's all.
And I don't mean every second word has to be a profanity, just something less sugar-coated.
What do others here feel?
N-O. No. I like it that they try to make their games more family oriented. Hasn't Monkey Island (not so sure about sam and max) always tried to be more for a family audience? Besides, are you saying that you'd like an 'M' season of Sam and Max with humor like South Park? I'm sorry, but I'd rather not feel dirty when playing one of my favorite games.
I said, for lack of a better word, "bizarre". Not "mature". I think there's a difference and I think at least some people got it, judging by the reactions on the previous page.
P.S. and I already apologized for mistranslating.
I totally agree with you. I think when people hear 'adult' humour in this discussion they assume you mean innuendo, crude jokes etc, which isn't what I think any of these games need at all. When I say I wish the humour was more 'adult' I mean I wish it had more bite, wit, and edge.
Case in point: I loved MI2 when I was younger, yet when I replayed it years later at age 25 it didn't feel watered down to cater for a young audience at all, it felt sharp, slyly witty and with a slightly surreal, chaotic air about it - pretty much exactly how I like my humour as an adult. I do find the games from MI3 onwards, including episode 1 of Tales sadly, to be overly gentle and relatively toothless.
I totally agree with you. I think when people hear 'adult' humour in this discussion they assume you mean innuendo, crude jokes etc, which isn't what I think any of these games need at all. When I say I wish the humour was more 'adult' I mean I wish it had more bite, wit, and edge.
Case in point: I loved MI2 when I was younger, yet when I replayed it years later at age 25 it didn't feel watered down to cater for a young audience at all, it felt sharp, slyly witty and with a slightly surreal, chaotic air about it - pretty much exactly how I like my humour as an adult. I do find the games from MI3 onwards, including episode 1 of Tales sadly, to be overly gentle and relatively toothless.
Well, MI2 was certainly not above a crude joke every now and then.
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I love Timmy and his violent Tourette's syndrome. It's %@#$ing awesome!
HEY!! i personally HAVE tourette syndrome and i don't find that funny...
okay well actually i do, it's funny because it's all sooo true xD i found it even funnier when they dropped the censorship and he wasn't really saying anything truly bad... i hate to say it but i hope he never gets that surgery for his terminal touretts xD
I really don't think I'd care for something more "explicit." I like where it is as far as that goes. And yes, I'm young and single. So I don't think you can widely say that audience wants that. Frankly, the last thing I want is a repeat Leisure-Suit-Larry scenario where a humorous medium turns into something entirely different.
Zany-er, on the other hand, I would go for. The cartoons were crazy-off-the-wall, which I loved. Same with the books. The jokes didn't feel lude because they were so ridiculous. Like Sam's ramblings about sailors mistaking seals for mermaids, leading up to awkward moments.
I DO wish Sam and Max were more off the wall, though. I just don't see Telltale's Max saying things like, "I had no idea my skull was threaded for easy access!"
Yes, the more meanness and cynicism in Monkey Island the better as far as I'm concerned! And the more chaos, surreality and insanity in Sam and Max the better.
Yes, the more meanness and cynicism in Monkey Island the better as far as I'm concerned! And the more chaos, surreality and insanity in Sam and Max the better.
But didn't you feel piteous for some of them? The characters receiving the meanness, i mean?
But didn't you feel piteous for some of them? The characters receiving the meanness, i mean?
That's some mighty liberal talk for a conservative republican! No, but seriously, I think a lot of the cynicism was directed at the player. The TM's, the Loom sales pitch, lines like (probably paraphrasing) "I can't help but feel like I've just been ripped off. I'm sure you're feeling something similar," and of course the final dialogue option, "never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game."
After replaying the SE, I noticed how Guybrush's dialogue options sort of allow you to choose his personality. Wannabe tough guy, innocent moron (to Shinetop: "oh, did you hear something back here too?"), or snarky jerk. In LR, I thought the snarky jerk version came to the fore a bit, while wannabe tough guy and innocent moron kind of melded into clueless cad. The Elaine reunion on Booty Island springs to mind, with all the hilariously offensive dialogue options. You finally succeed in sweet-talking her, only to reveal that all you care about is her Big Whoop map piece.
I'm ok with the tone of the humor in TMI Ep 1. I find it to be a nice balance.
I thought it was quite funny.
Agreed. I think the MI world and cast is pretty flexible to tonal interpretation (can't believe I just said "tonal interpretation"), compared to, say, Sam & Max or Wallace & Gromit, which have pretty specific tones that are sorta nail or fail. Above all, I think the spirit of MI is what must be retained in any future incarnations.
I don't think this is a valid complaint because I dont remember any of the other MI games to be THAT edgy, and I just replayed 1 and 3 last month..
Sure there's a little innuendo here and there but I dont really think the MI series has really ever had the blunt type of somewhat adult humor of Sam & Max. As for S&M Season two, there's been a couple times where I turned the volume down a notch so my neighbors didnt think I was a nutcase lol. Play that one if you haven't already...
But I'm assuming you already have and there was something to complain about, right?
I don't think this is a valid complaint because I dont remember any of the other MI games to be THAT edgy, and I just replayed 1 and 3 last month..
You mean the OP? I don't think it was a complaint so much as one person's opinion, and he politely asked what everyone else thought at the end of his post. Seems like he was just trying to get a discussion going about what type of humor is appropriate in MI, how far can it be taken? That sort of thing. I think it's totally valid, and an interesting topic to boot.
As for the older Sam & Max games, I tried to find some a few years back when I had run out of adventure games to play, but I couldnt find a single one so I dont what they're like but I know they've been out for a long time, even before the first Monkey Island if I'm not mistaken...
As for the older Sam & Max games, I tried to find some a few years back when I had run out of adventure games to play, but I couldnt find a single one so I dont what they're like but I know they've been out for a long time, even before the first Monkey Island if I'm not mistaken...
Nope, there's only one older game, Sam & Max Hit the Road, released in '93 I believe. Still have the original copy I bought for my 486
I would actually have to say that the starting post caught me a bit off guard... the clarifications have helped, but I'm probably like many of the other commentators in that I literally grew up with the MI games, starting on our Commodore Amiga 64 for MI 1&2, then to my PC for 3&4 (which I'd personally like to take a red-hot poker to the parts of my brain 4 is stored in). After waiting years, I'm glad to say that Ep1 looks to redeem the franchise, and I had several chuckles and even a couple of outright laughs. I found the humor to be spot on and with appropriate ties to 1,2&3.
BTW, as the ADD has kicked in, I'm surprised no one has brought up the whole use of the Deep Throat reference - which, while clearly in reference to Watergate, it was used there in reference to truly adult material. Again, I know this has been clarified, but thought I would throw it out there.
I digress. What I am meaning to say is there there are several jokes that I know my (substantially) younger brother would not get that I do. Or, if he did, would not appreciate fully. And, as another has pointed out, we're only in Ep1. The titles alone seem to indicate that the plot gets edgier as we go.
So, like fine wine, give it some time, let it breathe, then take it slow - one swallow at a time.
Another thought - it took me a few minutes to get it when I first played through, but consider the whole reference to the wind gods... each of those were allegories that it would take an older mind to infer. Also, the underpants and the bomb. And the glass unicorns. And the shocking monkey. And the references to grog vs root beer (or was it lite grog - need to play it again). Or the seeming attraction of Elaine to a human LeChuck. Or the porcelain "action figures" (a bit of cultural commentary).
I'm just going off my recollection from binging on the episode when it first came out, but that is what I remember - I'm sure there are important details I'm leaving out, but, as I said, that's off the cuff.
Just a side note, but I believe all those wind god names (as well as book titles on voodoo lady's shelf) were handpicked by the staff from user submissions. Entered a few myself, but alas, no such luck. Maybe next time!
There is also same-sex attraction in Sam and Max: Harry Moleman has a great time frisking Sam, although he is "not that desperate" to rub Sam's unicorn. Too bad he is to ruin his cred by attempting to date Sybil.
There is also same-sex attraction in Sam and Max: Harry Moleman has a great time frisking Sam, although he is "not that desperate" to rub Sam's unicorn. Too bad he is to ruin his cred by attempting to date Sybil.
Yeah, people claim that the new sam and maxes are 'watered down', but if you play season two it's overloaded with a lot of humor that's downright adult. Season one had a lot of 'adult' humor, too. I couldn't imagine kids younger than 13 playing either.
Yeah, people claim that the new sam and maxes are 'watered down', but if you play season two it's overloaded with a lot of humor that's downright adult. Season one had a lot of 'adult' humor, too. I couldn't imagine kids younger than 13 playing either.
Exactly. Episode 204, especially. It's full of stuff that is sexual in nature pretty much no matter where your mind is (ie, you don't have to be a gutter-minded individual).
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You can change the personality of the ship's computer AI to "suggestive", and then everything it says has innuendo, especially if you ask it how to use the time machine.
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When you look at the letter from JFK to his mistress Maxine (found at Stinky's Diner during the 80s), it's FULL of very, very suggestive innuendos. Look at it both before and after you get it out of the frame, and you get a completely new set of innuendos. "And don't forget to wear that dress, the one that lets me see your..." Sam:"Wow! I didn't think they knew that word back then!" Then "And sweet caresses down your...".
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Then there's Momma Bosco and her baby making machine, as well as her crush on Max.
And that wasn't even all of it. Seriously, that episode was pretty twisted when it comes to adult humor.
well usually 'adult' humor is referred to as profanity, sex, gratuitous violence, etc. It confused me when the OP said it. Darker humor is just called darker humor, right?
Poor choice of words indeed, but I didn't think it was particularly hard to understand for somebody who played DOTT and SamnMax, since there were hardly any sexual jokes in either one.
Poor choice of words indeed, but I didn't think it was particularly hard to understand for somebody who played DOTT and SamnMax, since there were hardly any sexual jokes in either one.
I know we weren't talking about sexual humor necessarily, but the reason I pointed that stuff out was to refute the OP's point that the newer Sam and Max is "watered down for families." I also know that there weren't really any sexual jokes in Hit the Road, but that wasn't my point.
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P.S. and I already apologized for mistranslating.
Sam: "Percent sign ampersand dollar sign!"
Max: "And colon semi-colon, too!"
Guy: "What are you &#*in' doing?"
Sam: "Swearing in longhand, asterisk-mouth."
N-O. No. I like it that they try to make their games more family oriented. Hasn't Monkey Island (not so sure about sam and max) always tried to be more for a family audience? Besides, are you saying that you'd like an 'M' season of Sam and Max with humor like South Park? I'm sorry, but I'd rather not feel dirty when playing one of my favorite games.
It took me 5 minutes to figure out what SnMHtR was. Seriously, I #$%^@$@ hate abbreviations.
I totally agree with you. I think when people hear 'adult' humour in this discussion they assume you mean innuendo, crude jokes etc, which isn't what I think any of these games need at all. When I say I wish the humour was more 'adult' I mean I wish it had more bite, wit, and edge.
Case in point: I loved MI2 when I was younger, yet when I replayed it years later at age 25 it didn't feel watered down to cater for a young audience at all, it felt sharp, slyly witty and with a slightly surreal, chaotic air about it - pretty much exactly how I like my humour as an adult. I do find the games from MI3 onwards, including episode 1 of Tales sadly, to be overly gentle and relatively toothless.
Well, MI2 was certainly not above a crude joke every now and then.
Arrested for grinding his organ in public.
Sorry about that... I don't even remember why I didn't write it out.
HEY!! i personally HAVE tourette syndrome and i don't find that funny...
okay well actually i do, it's funny because it's all sooo true xD i found it even funnier when they dropped the censorship and he wasn't really saying anything truly bad... i hate to say it but i hope he never gets that surgery for his terminal touretts xD
Zany-er, on the other hand, I would go for. The cartoons were crazy-off-the-wall, which I loved. Same with the books. The jokes didn't feel lude because they were so ridiculous. Like Sam's ramblings about sailors mistaking seals for mermaids, leading up to awkward moments.
I DO wish Sam and Max were more off the wall, though. I just don't see Telltale's Max saying things like, "I had no idea my skull was threaded for easy access!"
But didn't you feel piteous for some of them? The characters receiving the meanness, i mean?
That's some mighty liberal talk for a conservative republican! No, but seriously, I think a lot of the cynicism was directed at the player. The TM's, the Loom sales pitch, lines like (probably paraphrasing) "I can't help but feel like I've just been ripped off. I'm sure you're feeling something similar," and of course the final dialogue option, "never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game."
After replaying the SE, I noticed how Guybrush's dialogue options sort of allow you to choose his personality. Wannabe tough guy, innocent moron (to Shinetop: "oh, did you hear something back here too?"), or snarky jerk. In LR, I thought the snarky jerk version came to the fore a bit, while wannabe tough guy and innocent moron kind of melded into clueless cad. The Elaine reunion on Booty Island springs to mind, with all the hilariously offensive dialogue options. You finally succeed in sweet-talking her, only to reveal that all you care about is her Big Whoop map piece.
I thought it was quite funny.
Agreed. I think the MI world and cast is pretty flexible to tonal interpretation (can't believe I just said "tonal interpretation"), compared to, say, Sam & Max or Wallace & Gromit, which have pretty specific tones that are sorta nail or fail. Above all, I think the spirit of MI is what must be retained in any future incarnations.
Sure there's a little innuendo here and there but I dont really think the MI series has really ever had the blunt type of somewhat adult humor of Sam & Max. As for S&M Season two, there's been a couple times where I turned the volume down a notch so my neighbors didnt think I was a nutcase lol. Play that one if you haven't already...
But I'm assuming you already have and there was something to complain about, right?
You mean the OP? I don't think it was a complaint so much as one person's opinion, and he politely asked what everyone else thought at the end of his post. Seems like he was just trying to get a discussion going about what type of humor is appropriate in MI, how far can it be taken? That sort of thing. I think it's totally valid, and an interesting topic to boot.
Nope, there's only one older game, Sam & Max Hit the Road, released in '93 I believe. Still have the original copy I bought for my 486
BTW, as the ADD has kicked in, I'm surprised no one has brought up the whole use of the Deep Throat reference - which, while clearly in reference to Watergate, it was used there in reference to truly adult material. Again, I know this has been clarified, but thought I would throw it out there.
I digress. What I am meaning to say is there there are several jokes that I know my (substantially) younger brother would not get that I do. Or, if he did, would not appreciate fully. And, as another has pointed out, we're only in Ep1. The titles alone seem to indicate that the plot gets edgier as we go.
So, like fine wine, give it some time, let it breathe, then take it slow - one swallow at a time.
I'm just going off my recollection from binging on the episode when it first came out, but that is what I remember - I'm sure there are important details I'm leaving out, but, as I said, that's off the cuff.
Yeah, people claim that the new sam and maxes are 'watered down', but if you play season two it's overloaded with a lot of humor that's downright adult. Season one had a lot of 'adult' humor, too. I couldn't imagine kids younger than 13 playing either.
Exactly. Episode 204, especially. It's full of stuff that is sexual in nature pretty much no matter where your mind is (ie, you don't have to be a gutter-minded individual).
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And that wasn't even all of it. Seriously, that episode was pretty twisted when it comes to adult humor.
well usually 'adult' humor is referred to as profanity, sex, gratuitous violence, etc. It confused me when the OP said it. Darker humor is just called darker humor, right?
Yes. There weren't.