U.S. Launches Missiles at Syrian Base After Chemical Weapons Attack
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I heard they were only aiming for airfields and not aiming to cause casualties (I think I also heard Russia was warned in advance) but I just hope this doesn't escalate too horribly.
Those poor people that died in those chemical attacks
I'm hoping they made the right decision here, and I'm also glad they decided to target the equipment instead of people.
Also hearing that, although Russians were given a heads up, he did not consult the State Department or get their backing.
As the Commander in Chief, I do not believe he needs the approval of Congress for strikes such as these, I think he has the authority to declare them without Congressional approval. If I'm wrong, someone please correct me, but to my knowledge, for stuff like this, Congress doesn't need to get involved, this decision is up to the President alone. Considering the role Russia has played in the Syrian civil war, I can see why this action was taken.
Should have targeted his palace...but yeah good start, hopefully this is not a one and done situation....and hay...the makers of the tomahawk cruise missile just got an order for 60 replacements lol.
Ok here is my view...there are Russians on that base...they had to know what was going on with that gas...I say Russia is as much to blame as Assad...so I would not shed one dam tear if some of them were killed.
Kind of scary. At least it is, just by coming out of the blue, no less.
I heard from another forum. Just why do they do this.... innocent people in that place and they get the receiving end....
When Trump is affected enough by images and tales of the chemical attacks to launch missiles but not enough to accept Syrian refugees into our country (even children like those who were killed by Assad)
[ETA that yes, Trump's Syrian refugee ban is on hold right now...but you just gotta think about if he would still be supporting that when he's been confronted with these images of death and pain.)
I hate this boiling political climate. It's frightening, even as an EU citizen. I just hope this won't lead to more violence between Russia and USA. Also, I have to agree with ForClementine above. That failure of a leader Trump should rather care about the people who desperately need help and refuge, instead of fueling discrimination and hate against every minority in the US and bombing stuff, as well as people, on the other side of the world while playing fuqing golf and appointing monsters into his political team.
Seems like the strike was handled well enough. They targeted the equipment used in the recent chemical warfare attack. Russia was given good warning of the attack, so they could have their forces retreat (and those of Assad's as well if needed). We'll have to wait longer for a casualty report, and likely check several reliable sources to try and get an accurate body count as well as affiliation.
It also needs to be checked out to see if Trump was authorized to do this since there seems to be conflicting reports.
Even still, it's not good for US/Russia relations if Russians are killed in a U.S strike. That's pretty obvious to anyone.
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Terrible,everything about this. So many questions. Hope we made the right call. I've family that will be called to fight in this. War? Our instinct to help is correct. However targeted we are with this. More lives will be lost. Anyone whose not seen the footage don't Google it. Just trust me,The USA has the best Why since WW2. The world hasn't seen this level of evil since then. Not that it hasn't existed but it happened with no photos or film to prove it. I've seen it we have the proof that Nazi level terror is back. What we don't seem to have is anyone with the guts to claim doing it. Everyones in shock and angry. Two very important questions. 1)Do we know who did this? 2)Will our missles do a thing to stop this? I'm done sorry if I offened anyone. May our brighter lights prevail.
Tillerson has mentioned that this doesn't indicate a change in our policy with Syria. It's entirely possible that this was a one-time act in response to the chemical attack that may have happened due to previous comments by Trump indicating he wouldn't get involved in Syria.
Also, it appears that this attack was more symbolic than anything since due to the warning, the equipment and personnel look to have been evacuated. Of course, time to get further confirmation will be best. This would be the expected action if warned beforehand.
Are we even sure it's Assad who released the gaz on his people? Serious question.
You also do realize that the travel ban is meant to be temporary in order to improve our vetting process, and once it would be lifted, the US would accept Syrian refugees at a rate similar to that of President Obama. However, liberal judges who use their position to enforce their agenda instead of ruling on law shot it down, even though what Trump did he had the full authority and legal ability to do. Nothing wrong with trying to protect Americans from potentially bad people. If we lived in a perfect world, we would accept everyone that asks to come here, the problem is that we don't live in that world, and while many genuinely want to come here to find a better life, there are others who would want to harm, or even kill, American citizens. Sure, it would be morally right to accept them, but it's dangerous to rule based on morals and what's right, especially when logic and common sense are thrown to the side. Does it suck that children died, yes. Does it suck that some of these families who have died in the civil war sought refuge status and didn't get in, yes. But as the President of the United States, he has to look out for the lives of the American people first and foremost. Most people would love to help the Syrians, but not when it can come at the expense of the American people.
If it is a one time act...then it is an empty gesture.
The original order that Trump wanted wasn't a temporary ban on Syrians, first of all.
Second of all, if we KNOW that these people coming on are not terrorists - and based on our nearly YEARS long asylum process, which is highly favored towards children and their mothers, we have reasonable evidence that these refugees legit just do need help and not a ticket into the country to help ISIS - there is little harm in accepting THEM. Our vetting process is insanely complex, and for good reason.
Third of all, Trump had the legal power to create the order, but his wording questions the actual legality of his order under the Constitution. His words on a Muslim ban are repeatedly coming back to haunt him because as long as judges interpret his ban to be against Muslims, it will be discriminating against a religious group, which is against our Constitution.
Fourth, and I know there will be disagreement here, but we literally created half of the messes in the Middle East...so we are kind of stuck fixing them and making sure that innocent people are safe.
An expensive empty gesture.
94 million dollars...WAR...GOOD GOD...WHAT's IT GOOD FOR? Well apparently Raytheon stock.
smfh I cant believe trump did that
Fucked right
You are partially right, it was an indefinite ban in regards to Syria, so while it didn't have an exact timeline as to when it would be lifted, it would still be lifted eventually. It was being cautious and prudent, even with how complex it may be, there are still holes, and Trump was trying to close those holes so potentially dangerous people don't get in. Not just terrorists, although it was mainly directed at them, but it's the same reason why he wants the wall built, to possibly stop rapists, murderers, or other criminals from accidentally entering. The safety of the American people needs to come first and foremost, and as much as I want to help innocent victims, I also want innocent Americans safe. I'm sorry, but doing the morally right thing is not always the right thing to do. But it's also more than just not accepting people like that, it's also trying to prevent some of the stuff that's going on in Europe. You have Muslims in Sweden calling for the Islamification of Westerners, advocates for Sharia Law, proponents for the murder of homosexuals, and people afraid of saying anything because they're scared of retaliation. Religious freedom is an essential right of Americans, but to some who practice Islam, it's not religious tolerance, but intolerance. His wording was obviously alarming and a big reason why some don't support it, that I cannot defend, but I will say that if it was a Muslim Ban, why were the countries with the highest Muslim populations not included? And yes, we did create many of the problems in the Middle East as a result of the mistakes made by both Bush and Obama, but the fact that we have fucked up so much is a reason why many Americans supported Trump's isolationist approach during the campaign and are now upset that he did this.
Though the chemical incident was horrible (yes I said incident because we don't actually know the details of what actually happened), the missile strike shouldn't have been conducted. The US congress never permitted the attack nor did the UN, the strike itself was illegal in all respect even though Donald Trump says it was because it served the security interest of the US.
They said there was a source of concrete evidence. Said source was shared with Canada, whom also agreed about an hour before the attack(the two nations which lead the UN for weaponized gas investigation).
It was not made public though.
Oh boy....I can't wait to be conscripted for World War III
Syrian jets take off from air base U.S. missiles struck: Syrian Observatory: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-airport-idUSKBN1792XA
Battlefield WW3 coming a few years after WW3, release 2025 maybe?
Too Soon. Too soon.
You make some good points too. It really comes down to morality versus pragmatism. I think it's important to acknowledge that many of the people fleeing are those who are harmed by ultra-traditional Muslims - women and children. Not all members of a culture accept every facet of that culture, and while I think it's important to accept people's religions, I also think it's important that we protect those who are harmed by a religion (i.e., gays and women).
It is true that he didn't ban the countries with the highest Muslim populations, but they're still Muslim-majority countries... The guy had a (I believe now retracted) goal to prioritize Christian refugees or Rudy Giuliani's infamous comment about Trump coming to see him to ask about how he could get a Muslim ban through LOL
I'm still in shock about his decision to send missiles. I wasn't expecting him to act, and act so quickly, after just saying a few days ago that he would kind of leave Assad be for now. But honestly, I just hope that those images he had to see and those briefings he had to go to about the horrible nature of these attacks will change his mind about a Syrian refugee ban, at least for women and children...
LoL yeah only by that time CoD will have done 7 Games on the subject...the finale one having the cast of The Big Bang Theory as the villains.
And I recognize that most do not support these radical ideas, I recognize that most want to seek a better life and get away, but it's amazing what an active and vocal minority can do. You think most Germans supported the ideas of the Nazi's? No, most were peaceful people, but the Nazis ended up killing over 12 million people, half of them Jews, committed some of the most gruesome and inhumane acts in history, and attempted to take over all of Europe. And as a result, many developed a sense of fear and hatred towards the German people, regardless of whether or not they agreed with the Nazis. Is it wrong to label all people under a small group of hateful people, yes, but it's not like their fears and apprehensions are entirely without merit or reason behind it, especially when many Germans did support the Nazis and tried to spread their rhetoric and message, even if they did not partake in those actions. That same fear mirrors that of many towards Muslims, some are victims, some support their message and ideas, and some may even be both, are victims of attacks, but support Sharia Law and the murder of infidels. And it's amazing how much damage just one of these people can do, we've seen it happen so much just in the last year or so across Europe (France, Belgium, Britain) and other parts of the world.
The goal of the ban, at least to my knowledge, was to halt the influx of ALL people from those countries, whether they be Muslim, Christian, Jewish, agnostic, atheist, or Metallicaist. Nothing in the original executive order specifically pertained to Muslims other than it involved 7 Muslim countries, all of which were selected by the Obama administration as potentially dangerous countries.
Doubt it. I'm more inclined to believe one of Assad's bombers dropped a bomb that hit a barrel filled with the gaz.
I don't know who is responsible for chemical attack. Media are spreading lies. Multiple Syrian photos are staged. Don't trust them.