Yeah, mock yourself by placing words into my mouth. I never said colonization from the past was a good thing. And no one is talking about "christianizing", keep that bullshit for yourself please. Education has nothing to do with religion.
Her Majesty can't just steal the Africans resources and leave them to themselves afterwards. The strong nations need to work together and g… moreo there. Create order, wealth and a functional infrastructure. Get rid of feudalism! Christianize the next generation so they don't fall for such ideologies.
There was a better Reuters one, but I'm having trouble finding it. If this gets deleted or locked, I'll pm you when I find it.
In any case, if your goal is to end terrorism and capitalism in the Middle East, you're much better served staying the course with the YPG (Kurds trying to build a Libertarian Socialist society in North Syria) than an international invasion.
No an illegal immigrant is one who came to the USA without alerting the government of their coming...usually to escape a terrible situation in the country they are fleeing.
There is a difference between a legal immigrant and illegal immigrant. Illegal immigrant does things like rape,murder,and commit crimes instead than Legal immigrants don't do that.
So you want to deport all "illegals" because some of them cause problems? What about those who pay their taxes and work their asses off without ever causing a problem? Deport them as well? That's stupid. Rather give them a better chance to become a "legal" citizen instead.
And how about the violence that erupts from US citizens? Do you want to deport them as well? Like, your dear politicians who terrorize minorities by ripping away protections and signing bills/laws that cause harm to any sane mind? Trump should be the first one to be deported to a lone island.
I said I support the Travel Ban cause it's temporary and better vetting process and it is not ripping away families from the airports.If I r… moreemember illegals shouldn't be here cause some them problems and violence erupts cause of illegals coming here and I have no problem letting moderate mulsims coming here.
Why is this a problem?
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So, if that is true. Then this is indeed horrible and I'd never support that. When I said "we should bring the war to the terrorists", we obviously speak about gathering enough intelligence first, before soldiers strike. And they do not shoot at unarmed people, be it children or adults. I do not mean they just go there and gun everyone down, but isn't that a no-brainer?
I found this one.
There was a better Reuters one, but I'm having trouble finding it. If this gets deleted or locked, I'll pm you when I … morefind it.
In any case, if your goal is to end terrorism and capitalism in the Middle East, you're much better served staying the course with the YPG (Kurds trying to build a Libertarian Socialist society in North Syria) than an international invasion.
And that terrible situation comes from either escaping law enforcement from his country while he committed a crime like rape or murder? You know things that make me wonder like the government here in the U.S.
No an illegal immigrant is one who came to the USA without alerting the government of their coming...usually to escape a terrible situation in the country they are fleeing.
And that terrible situation comes from either escaping law enforcement from his country while he committed a crime like rape or murder? You know things that make me wonder like the government here in the U.S.
And that terrible situation comes from either escaping law enforcement from his country while he committed a crime like rape or murder? You know things that make me wonder like the government here in the U.S.
These "Illegals" causing some problems are the reason that people don't like illegal immigrantion like they do have ICE deport them fro causing violence and rape and things should worry U.S citizens.
I have no problem for the immigrants coming here legally.
U.S citizens don't cause problems has much as illegals cause them.Also politicians run for office like for Governorships and for senate races and for mayor in there states.
So you want to deport all "illegals" because some of them cause problems? What about those who pay their taxes and work their asses off with… moreout ever causing a problem? Deport them as well? That's stupid. Rather give them a better chance to become a "legal" citizen instead.
And how about the violence that erupts from US citizens? Do you want to deport them as well? Like, your dear politicians who terrorize minorities by ripping away protections and signing bills/laws that cause harm to any sane mind? Trump should be the first one to be deported to a lone island.
I apologize for being flippant, but I wasn't putting words in your mouth. I was drawing an (IMO valid) comparison between 19th century imperialism and the solution you're putting forward.
Imperialism created the current catastrophe in the Middle East. More imperialism, under the UN banner isn't going to solve the problem.
Yeah, mock yourself by placing words into my mouth. I never said colonization from the past was a good thing. And no one is talking about "christianizing", keep that bullshit for yourself please. Education has nothing to do with religion.
I blame PC for people who have a problem for people saying Radical Islamic Terrorism.Like jeez PC culture is starting piss me off and it should go away
These "Illegals" causing some problems are the reason that people don't like illegal immigrantion like they do have ICE deport them fro caus… moreing violence and rape and things should worry U.S citizens.
I have no problem for the immigrants coming here legally.
U.S citizens don't cause problems has much as illegals cause them.Also politicians run for office like for Governorships and for senate races and for mayor in there states.
I blame PC for people who have a problem for people saying Radical Islamic Terrorism.Like jeez PC culture is starting piss me off and it should go away
They never intended to shoot at innocent people. The SEALS went in on the information they were given, things went to shit and innocent people paid the price. It's the same old story that plays out all the time, except this time it was much more widely publicized, due to the death of an elite US soldier.
There's no such thing as a clean war. Airstrikes are what allow the soldiers to take villages safe, yet they can easily kill villagers. The infrastructure you deny the terrorists today is the infrastructure you deny the masses tomorrow. Once you win, vulture capitalists and private contractors swoop in and profit off the mayhem, as they did in Iraq. People flee, resentment grows and terrorism flourishes.
Thank you. I'll take a look.
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So, if that is true. Then this is indeed horrible and I'd never support that. When I said "we should … morebring the war to the terrorists", we obviously speak about gathering enough intelligence first, before soldiers strike. And they do not shoot at unarmed people, be it children or adults. I do not mean they just go there and gun everyone down, but isn't that a no-brainer?
I'm sorry as well. This constant stupidity-fueled violence all over the world.. especially caused by people with beliefs in invisible wizards drives me crazy. Humans are so damn stupid, it would be better if we all died out really.
However, I do not think the comparison is valid. The reasoning is entirely different. This "imperialism" would be for global improvement. To save everyone's lives, not just our own. I want to protect the innocent, kind-hearted people in all parts of the world and give them a better life.
What do you think we should do to solve this terror-crisis? Are you satisfied with the way things are handled right now?
I apologize for being flippant, but I wasn't putting words in your mouth. I was drawing an (IMO valid) comparison between 19th century impe… morerialism and the solution you're putting forward.
Imperialism created the current catastrophe in the Middle East. More imperialism, under the UN banner isn't going to solve the problem.
However, I do not think the comparison is valid. The reasoning is entirely different. This "imperialism" would be for global improvement. To save everyone's lives, not just our own. I want to protect the innocent, kind-hearted people in all parts of the world and give them a better life.
We'll have to agree to disagree on that, because I think it is. Good intentions can only carry you so far and I'm sure the 19th century rulers had good intentions in their own way. Outcome is what matters and both imperialism and US occupations have had very negative, sometimes similar effects (ethnic hostility, economic exploitation, corruption, inability to adjust to independence).
What do you think we should do to solve this terror-crisis? Are you satisfied with the way things are handled right now?
Satisfied, no. Resigned? Somewhat. I fully expect the state to keep doing the same stupid things it always has and so my focus is primarily on harm reduction: opposing interventionism, the welfare-warfare state and intolerance at home. Any true change for the better must come from the oppressed themselves, However, stopping the flow of arms and money into salafist hellholes like Saudi Arabia would be a great start. In an ideal world, the US could be a force for good by helping along truly anti-authoritarian and libertine segments of oppressed societies with propoganda and arms. There are many in ISIS territory who risk death to sabotage the regime or die in failed uprising against them due to lack of support.
I'm sorry as well. This constant stupidity-fueled violence all over the world.. especially caused by people with beliefs in invisible wizard… mores drives me crazy. Humans are so damn stupid, it would be better if we all died out really.
However, I do not think the comparison is valid. The reasoning is entirely different. This "imperialism" would be for global improvement. To save everyone's lives, not just our own. I want to protect the innocent, kind-hearted people in all parts of the world and give them a better life.
What do you think we should do to solve this terror-crisis? Are you satisfied with the way things are handled right now?
Valuing and spreading love and empathy are important. But this alone won't solve this issue at all. Like you said, you can only kill these maniacs in order for them to stop with their madness. Reach out with your hand and they cut it off, together with your head. Throw them in prison at the costs of tax money of innocent people and they just spread their poisonous mindset among other prisoners.
Prayers won't help. Condemning these attacks won't either. The people killed by these barbarians are gone forever, we won't see them ever again. There is no afterlife where you magically see all your loved ones again and everything is rainbows and unicorns.
Violence will always be part of humans. Let's at least use it for good and protect innocent people from filthy monsters. Hunt them down, every single one eradicated from this planet means a lot.
This is truly horrific. Our world is full of violence and hate. I am just baffled how people can be so evil. I want to pray for the victims and their families.
Hey everyone ,i just wanted to say, i always keep myself away from these kinds of forums , because i'm always afraid to find hatred towards that religion , i'm glad it's not the case here , and everyone is civilized , my condolences to the victims of these atrophic events , This is really disgusting , and i can't really understand ISIS , they kill innocents , they kill muslims , i mean they even
blew up a bus full of kids in syria , what's the logic , why would you kill a kid , why would you kill a person that you've never seen before , how can you believe to go to paradise after commiting such barbaric acts .how can you kill kids and pretend it's justice.
I agree that all muslims are not terrorists, but most terrorists have been muslim. That's why some people are a little bit paranoid when it comes to muslims, because of their reputation.
I don't blame muslims, I blame terrorists. I have never, ever blamed muslims for things like this as I've met very amazing muslim people. Th… moreis is terrorism, plain and simple. Not muslims, not a splinter-faction, these are actual terrorists. Whether they're islamic or not is irrelevant because these people are murderers and must be stopped.
My condolences to the people of London, and I hope those who caused this attack gets what they deserve. Three of them are already taken care of, but there will always be more hiding out there.
I'm so sick of seeing news reports like this. I hope England remains strong and eradicates all the terrorists in the coming future. This has got to end.
Something's gotta be done about these fucktards sooner, rather than later. Otherwise this keeps happening, and forces are very often too late to stop an incident.
RIP to the innocent for both this incident and a week (or so) ago.
So do we blame all Christians for the Westboro Baptist church going around and picketing the deaths of US soldiers, claiming their deaths were due to the US letting Gays and Jews and Catholics live in peace?
Or how about the wide spread support of the KKK or our own home grown Terrorists?
I know by gosh...we just need a finale solution for the Muslim issue, that's what you are advocating even if you do not understand it.
@ MetallicaRules
Not all terrorists are muslims, that's absolutely bullshit...and less than 1% of all the muslims are terrorists. Like Kennyshouladiedins1 wrote correctly, there are so many stupid maniacs in the world...you don't need a religion to create monsters...look at all the school-massacres, KKK-crimes or the NSU-crimes in Germany (a nazi organisation that killed randomly turkish people and a police-officer). There are so many mentally ill people in the world, the ISIS-assholes are only one part of them.
Hiding?? The guy from the Manchester incident was a known terroist! We knew his name, address and let him visit "family" in Libya and come back to UK only for him few weeks later bomb the Arena. It would not surprise me it comes out that the terroists that did this London was also known terroists. We have a lot of them living in UK but because if "human rights" we can't just kill them or deport them.
Woke up to see this happening in London.
My condolences to the people of London, and I hope those who caused this attack gets what they deserve. Three of them are already taken care of, but there will always be more hiding out there.
@strwar3
The problem is, that Trumps stupid Travel ban is no solution at all...it's just one of his many braindead ideas...there is no real concept behind it, that's one reason why it had no chance to get ratified. You can only solve the problem by intervene now. If the people have no possibilities to escape the terror of their countries it will become much worse, all it would achieve is empowering those who wish to hurt the liberal world. Building a wall to separate us from our neighbors — creating an immigration impasse between the outside world and ourselves — does not protect anyone. Isolation is no option, the world goes on, there is no pause function where you have unlimited time to handle anything. If we don' intervene now and help those people, the danger of terrorism just goes on, because the terror will oppress them and in the longer term the radicalization goes on more than ever.
And to your comment " [...]Also why does NBC believe this? NBC's Stupidity. He's the fucking President of the United States, how the hell is that an unconfirmed source!!! How dare the President of the United States who gets intel reports on terror attacks before anyone in the media suggest it's terror. "
A guy, who lied so many times and speaks so much bullshit, denies climatic change etc. do you really think, that he isn't able to report unconfirmed bullshit this time? Really, you can be glad that you have a free press in your country...do you wish a press like in Russia or Turkey, where you go straight to prison for reporting something against their leadership? The most "Fake News" don't come from the offcial media-sources (of course Info-Wars, Breitbart etc. are spreading bullshit and hate), they come from Trump, Spicer etc. Please learn to think more rationally and not in a "One-way direction".
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Yeah, mock yourself by placing words into my mouth. I never said colonization from the past was a good thing. And no one is talking about "christianizing", keep that bullshit for yourself please. Education has nothing to do with religion.
I found this one.
There was a better Reuters one, but I'm having trouble finding it. If this gets deleted or locked, I'll pm you when I find it.
In any case, if your goal is to end terrorism and capitalism in the Middle East, you're much better served staying the course with the YPG (Kurds trying to build a Libertarian Socialist society in North Syria) than an international invasion.
No an illegal immigrant is one who came to the USA without alerting the government of their coming...usually to escape a terrible situation in the country they are fleeing.
So you want to deport all "illegals" because some of them cause problems? What about those who pay their taxes and work their asses off without ever causing a problem? Deport them as well? That's stupid. Rather give them a better chance to become a "legal" citizen instead.
And how about the violence that erupts from US citizens? Do you want to deport them as well? Like, your dear politicians who terrorize minorities by ripping away protections and signing bills/laws that cause harm to any sane mind? Trump should be the first one to be deported to a lone island.
Thank you. I'll take a look.
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So, if that is true. Then this is indeed horrible and I'd never support that. When I said "we should bring the war to the terrorists", we obviously speak about gathering enough intelligence first, before soldiers strike. And they do not shoot at unarmed people, be it children or adults. I do not mean they just go there and gun everyone down, but isn't that a no-brainer?
And that terrible situation comes from either escaping law enforcement from his country while he committed a crime like rape or murder? You know things that make me wonder like the government here in the U.S.
I severely hope that's a joke, even though it'd be a disgusting and tasteless joke, a joke is better than you being genuine.
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For real, what is wrong with you. "Illegal immigrants" are not automatically criminals on the run. Wtf.
These "Illegals" causing some problems are the reason that people don't like illegal immigrantion like they do have ICE deport them fro causing violence and rape and things should worry U.S citizens.
I have no problem for the immigrants coming here legally.
U.S citizens don't cause problems has much as illegals cause them.Also politicians run for office like for Governorships and for senate races and for mayor in there states.
I apologize for being flippant, but I wasn't putting words in your mouth. I was drawing an (IMO valid) comparison between 19th century imperialism and the solution you're putting forward.
Imperialism created the current catastrophe in the Middle East. More imperialism, under the UN banner isn't going to solve the problem.
Some are,some are not but still I do think people should come here just not without a better vetting process.
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I blame PC for people who have a problem for people saying Radical Islamic Terrorism.Like jeez PC culture is starting piss me off and it should go away
Lol...we have the highest incarceration rate in the industrialized world....we have a lot of criminals that are regular citizens.
I have a song for all PC people.
They never intended to shoot at innocent people. The SEALS went in on the information they were given, things went to shit and innocent people paid the price. It's the same old story that plays out all the time, except this time it was much more widely publicized, due to the death of an elite US soldier.
There's no such thing as a clean war. Airstrikes are what allow the soldiers to take villages safe, yet they can easily kill villagers. The infrastructure you deny the terrorists today is the infrastructure you deny the masses tomorrow. Once you win, vulture capitalists and private contractors swoop in and profit off the mayhem, as they did in Iraq. People flee, resentment grows and terrorism flourishes.
I'm sorry as well. This constant stupidity-fueled violence all over the world.. especially caused by people with beliefs in invisible wizards drives me crazy. Humans are so damn stupid, it would be better if we all died out really.
However, I do not think the comparison is valid. The reasoning is entirely different. This "imperialism" would be for global improvement. To save everyone's lives, not just our own. I want to protect the innocent, kind-hearted people in all parts of the world and give them a better life.
What do you think we should do to solve this terror-crisis? Are you satisfied with the way things are handled right now?
We'll have to agree to disagree on that, because I think it is. Good intentions can only carry you so far and I'm sure the 19th century rulers had good intentions in their own way. Outcome is what matters and both imperialism and US occupations have had very negative, sometimes similar effects (ethnic hostility, economic exploitation, corruption, inability to adjust to independence).
Satisfied, no. Resigned? Somewhat. I fully expect the state to keep doing the same stupid things it always has and so my focus is primarily on harm reduction: opposing interventionism, the welfare-warfare state and intolerance at home. Any true change for the better must come from the oppressed themselves, However, stopping the flow of arms and money into salafist hellholes like Saudi Arabia would be a great start. In an ideal world, the US could be a force for good by helping along truly anti-authoritarian and libertine segments of oppressed societies with propoganda and arms. There are many in ISIS territory who risk death to sabotage the regime or die in failed uprising against them due to lack of support.
Valuing and spreading love and empathy are important. But this alone won't solve this issue at all. Like you said, you can only kill these maniacs in order for them to stop with their madness. Reach out with your hand and they cut it off, together with your head. Throw them in prison at the costs of tax money of innocent people and they just spread their poisonous mindset among other prisoners.
Prayers won't help. Condemning these attacks won't either. The people killed by these barbarians are gone forever, we won't see them ever again. There is no afterlife where you magically see all your loved ones again and everything is rainbows and unicorns.
Violence will always be part of humans. Let's at least use it for good and protect innocent people from filthy monsters. Hunt them down, every single one eradicated from this planet means a lot.
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They're being genuine.
jesus fucking christ.
Lots of people use these events to indulge in prejudice and Impotent bloodlust, it's disheartening.
This is truly horrific. Our world is full of violence and hate. I am just baffled how people can be so evil. I want to pray for the victims and their families.
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Hey everyone ,i just wanted to say, i always keep myself away from these kinds of forums , because i'm always afraid to find hatred towards that religion , i'm glad it's not the case here , and everyone is civilized , my condolences to the victims of these atrophic events , This is really disgusting , and i can't really understand ISIS , they kill innocents , they kill muslims , i mean they even
blew up a bus full of kids in syria , what's the logic , why would you kill a kid , why would you kill a person that you've never seen before , how can you believe to go to paradise after commiting such barbaric acts .how can you kill kids and pretend it's justice.
May the victims of these events find peace .
Everywhere? They aren't everywhere...
My heart goes out to all those this incident touched.
Terrible.
I agree that all muslims are not terrorists, but most terrorists have been muslim. That's why some people are a little bit paranoid when it comes to muslims, because of their reputation.
Woke up to see this happening in London.
My condolences to the people of London, and I hope those who caused this attack gets what they deserve. Three of them are already taken care of, but there will always be more hiding out there.
Eradicate? End? I wouldn't count on it.
I live in Poland now and it's a safe place. English people who feel unsafe can also come and...
Oh, wait. They are leaving EU, didn't want to live together with Poles, right.
Good luck and goodbye then.
whatever
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Something's gotta be done about these fucktards sooner, rather than later. Otherwise this keeps happening, and forces are very often too late to stop an incident.
RIP to the innocent for both this incident and a week (or so) ago.
So do we blame all Christians for the Westboro Baptist church going around and picketing the deaths of US soldiers, claiming their deaths were due to the US letting Gays and Jews and Catholics live in peace?
Or how about the wide spread support of the KKK or our own home grown Terrorists?
I know by gosh...we just need a finale solution for the Muslim issue, that's what you are advocating even if you do not understand it.
@ MetallicaRules
Not all terrorists are muslims, that's absolutely bullshit...and less than 1% of all the muslims are terrorists. Like Kennyshouladiedins1 wrote correctly, there are so many stupid maniacs in the world...you don't need a religion to create monsters...look at all the school-massacres, KKK-crimes or the NSU-crimes in Germany (a nazi organisation that killed randomly turkish people and a police-officer). There are so many mentally ill people in the world, the ISIS-assholes are only one part of them.
Hiding?? The guy from the Manchester incident was a known terroist! We knew his name, address and let him visit "family" in Libya and come back to UK only for him few weeks later bomb the Arena. It would not surprise me it comes out that the terroists that did this London was also known terroists. We have a lot of them living in UK but because if "human rights" we can't just kill them or deport them.
@strwar3
The problem is, that Trumps stupid Travel ban is no solution at all...it's just one of his many braindead ideas...there is no real concept behind it, that's one reason why it had no chance to get ratified. You can only solve the problem by intervene now. If the people have no possibilities to escape the terror of their countries it will become much worse, all it would achieve is empowering those who wish to hurt the liberal world. Building a wall to separate us from our neighbors — creating an immigration impasse between the outside world and ourselves — does not protect anyone. Isolation is no option, the world goes on, there is no pause function where you have unlimited time to handle anything. If we don' intervene now and help those people, the danger of terrorism just goes on, because the terror will oppress them and in the longer term the radicalization goes on more than ever.
And to your comment " [...]Also why does NBC believe this? NBC's Stupidity. He's the fucking President of the United States, how the hell is that an unconfirmed source!!! How dare the President of the United States who gets intel reports on terror attacks before anyone in the media suggest it's terror. "
A guy, who lied so many times and speaks so much bullshit, denies climatic change etc. do you really think, that he isn't able to report unconfirmed bullshit this time? Really, you can be glad that you have a free press in your country...do you wish a press like in Russia or Turkey, where you go straight to prison for reporting something against their leadership? The most "Fake News" don't come from the offcial media-sources (of course Info-Wars, Breitbart etc. are spreading bullshit and hate), they come from Trump, Spicer etc. Please learn to think more rationally and not in a "One-way direction".