TFW You post a comment and people misinterpret it as a joke and then it gets deleted. I'm sorry I guess that you thought I was making a joke this soon after, even though I wasn't.
Anyway, I'm deeply saddened for all of those effected, but something absolutely must be done about this. Solutions need to be put in place soon, because simply taking these attacks as remote incidents and moving on isn't working.
You know what could truly tackle the problem of radical Islam? And not the typical "let's bomb the shit outta of them", something that worked so well in the past clearly. What might actually tackle it is putting in the correct measures to understand what in the name of god is drawing these people to ISIS's beliefs. If they're able to find the reasons so many are drawn to it and are willing to carry out atrocities in it's name, then a possible solution could be found. A lot of these terrorists are actual citizens, people who have lived and worked in London a long time, so I do genuinely believe getting to the root of what's causing ISIS to be appeal to them is very important.
Makes you wonder just what on Earth compels the higher ups, or whoever have this kind of authority, to keep protecting terrorists and letting them enter the country like this.
I fear that another city in the UK will be under attack again soon before anything is done to prevent it from happening.
Hiding?? The guy from the Manchester incident was a known terroist! We knew his name, address and let him visit "family" in Libya and come b… moreack to UK only for him few weeks later bomb the Arena. It would not surprise me it comes out that the terroists that did this London was also known terroists. We have a lot of them living in UK but because if "human rights" we can't just kill them or deport them.
I've been looking at this thread for quite awhile... and I see smart comments getting deleted, some stupid ones as well. Watch the Prime Minister of Poland's speech on youtube and wake the fuck up.
I've been looking at this thread for quite awhile... and I see smart comments getting deleted, some stupid ones as well. Watch the Prime Minister of Poland's speech on youtube and wake the fuck up.
I've been looking at this thread for quite awhile... and I see smart comments getting deleted, some stupid ones as well. Watch the Prime Minister of Poland's speech on youtube and wake the fuck up.
Yeah some of my comments including @MetallicaRules comments too.Like what is the big idea? MetallicaRules has some good comments and they get deleted. I hope we have the politics discussion thread again cause there we don't have our comments getting deleted.
I've been looking at this thread for quite awhile... and I see smart comments getting deleted, some stupid ones as well. Watch the Prime Minister of Poland's speech on youtube and wake the fuck up.
I appreciate the defense. My comments just got deleted, no rhyme or reason, not even a message from a moderator as to why. Nothing I said was offensive, nor did it harm or threaten anyone, it was just the dissenting opinion. Maybe if I blamed Trump and Israel it would get to stay.
Yeah some of my comments including @MetallicaRules comments too.Like what is the big idea? MetallicaRules has some good comments and they ge… moret deleted. I hope we have the politics discussion thread again cause there we don't have our comments getting deleted.
Any moderators deleting comments because they see it as "inciting" or they simply disagree with it is absolutely unacceptable. What's the point in a community if you can't discuss this kind of stuff? And don't give me the "muh politics thread 3.0" shit. This needs to be discussed.
Batteries, you don't get it, only opinions they agree with are accepted now. Anything else that doesn't comply is grounds for deletion. I'm glad to see this place is becoming a safe space echo chamber.
Any moderators deleting comments because they see it as "inciting" or they simply disagree with it is absolutely unacceptable. What's the po… moreint in a community if you can't discuss this kind of stuff? And don't give me the "muh politics thread 3.0" shit. This needs to be discussed.
Batteries, you don't get it, only opinions they agree with are accepted now. Anything else that doesn't comply is grounds for deletion. I'm glad to see this place is becoming a safe space echo chamber.
All terrorist attacks in recent memory have been committed by people belonging to the Muslim faith, however, I also acknowledged that not all Muslims are terrorists, most are good people, and that the mentality that creates those that pervert Islam to kill innocent beings should be destroyed. What Christian terrorists are there? What Jewish terrorists are there? What Buddhist terrorists are there? What Scientologist terrorists are there? What Hindu terrorists are there? What atheist terrorists are there. What flying spaghetti monster terrorists are there?
Look at the school-massacres, KKK-crimes in the US or the NSU-crimes in Germany (a nazi organisation that killed randomly turkish people and a police-officer). There are so many mentally ill people in the world, the ISIS-assholes are only one part of them. Terrorism is not just a religious thing... more than 99% of muslims are not terrorists.
All terrorist attacks in recent memory have been committed by people belonging to the Muslim faith, however, I also acknowledged that not al… morel Muslims are terrorists, most are good people, and that the mentality that creates those that pervert Islam to kill innocent beings should be destroyed. What Christian terrorists are there? What Jewish terrorists are there? What Buddhist terrorists are there? What Scientologist terrorists are there? What Hindu terrorists are there? What atheist terrorists are there. What flying spaghetti monster terrorists are there?
For those who would like to know more about the Ottoman invasion, I encourage a listen to one of my favorite Sabaton songs, Winged Hussars, about the Polish winged hussars, one of the greatest cavalry units in history, saving the city of Vienna in Austria from the Ottoman forces, leading to the creation of the Holy League, which pushed the Ottoman forces out of Europe.
For those who would like to know more about the Ottoman invasion, I encourage a listen to one of my favorite Sabaton songs, Winged Hussars, … moreabout the Polish winged hussars, one of the greatest cavalry units in history, saving the city of Vienna in Austria from the Ottoman forces, leading to the creation of the Holy League, which pushed the Ottoman forces out of Europe.
And I said most Muslims are not terrorists, however, even though they aren't terrorists, some (15-25%) hold what is considered a "radical" position, and this is backed up by studies, research, and intelligence agencies. Now granted, there is a difference between being a radical and a violent extremist, and the chances of going from one to the other is much rarer, but still possible.
Look at the school-massacres, KKK-crimes in the US or the NSU-crimes in Germany (a nazi organisation that killed randomly turkish people and… more a police-officer). There are so many mentally ill people in the world, the ISIS-assholes are only one part of them. Terrorism is not just a religious thing... more than 99% of muslims are not terrorists.
Yes, there are also youtube videos that explain you, why the earth is flat, that global warming doesn't exist, that Darwin's Theory Of Evolution is wrong etc. Also by looking at all the other videos of this channel I see a direction to right-winged propaganda.
*" There is a difference between being a radical and a violent extremist, and the chances of going from one to the other is much rarer, but still possible." *
So what...everything is possible - that's the same for any radical group. Fundamentalism and absolutism of a religion is always bad...but you can' not lump together every group and every religion because of a few psychopaths.
Islamic terror is a problem, but we cannot solve it by creating walls around us
And I said most Muslims are not terrorists, however, even though they aren't terrorists, some (15-25%) hold what is considered a "radical" p… moreosition, and this is backed up by studies, research, and intelligence agencies. Now granted, there is a difference between being a radical and a violent extremist, and the chances of going from one to the other is much rarer, but still possible.
Anything you disagree with = right wing propaganda. Got it. You know how easy it is to say what you listen to is left wing propaganda and write it off because of that, incredibly easy. I like to go into things with an open mind, and not immediately attack someone who may have the dissenting opinion as I do. Discuss with them, sure, but not attack.
And for the record, the person in the video (Ben Shapiro) does happen to be conservative, but has always been more than fair when it comes to judging both sides of the aisle. He has shit on Trump and Republicans, he's praised Democrats, and vice versa. He's incredibly bright, a great debater, a fantastic speaker, and (hopefully) a future President (a man can dream, can't he).
you can not lump together every group and every religion because of a few psychopaths.
I didn't, I don't, and I never will. How many times do I have to say this: NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE BAD. However, there are a few, who happen to be a vocal minority, who go out and cause mass destruction, kill innocent people, and enforce their strict interpretation of Islam on people. Even if it is not the whole or a majority of people, it is still a representation of a group as the acts are committed in the name of it and they belong to that particular group. For example, I'm currently working as an employee at a Chili's restaurant, which means there are certain standards I have to abide by. If I suck at my job or violate the standards, it makes the business look bad as a result, even if I am not a complete representation of the company itself. Because of my acts, I become the face of the company. How about if a friend invites you to a business party that their company is hosting, and several potential, big time clients are there. Even if you don't work for them, you are going as a representative of that company, meaning if you dress or act inappropriately, it makes the company look bad as a result.
History is filled with this, we saw it with the Germans under Hitler, Soviets under Stalin, Chinese under Mao, and so on and so forth. The majority are innocent people, but because of the actions of a select few, they committed terrible acts and the peaceful majority became irrelevant.
Yes, there are also youtube videos that explain you, why the earth is flat, that global warming doesn't exist, that Darwin's Theory Of Evolu… moretion is wrong etc. Also by looking at all the other videos of this channel I see a direction to right-winged propaganda.
*" There is a difference between being a radical and a violent extremist, and the chances of going from one to the other is much rarer, but still possible." *
So what...everything is possible - that's the same for any radical group. Fundamentalism and absolutism of a religion is always bad...but you can' not lump together every group and every religion because of a few psychopaths.
Islamic terror is a problem, but we cannot solve it by creating walls around us
"Anything you disagree with = right wing propaganda"
I give you that point
It was not my intention to attack you (just for your first deleted comment) . You are of course right with all the shit islamistic terrorists do, but it has nothing to do with the religion itself. Madmen always find reasons to kill other people. Your Analogy ist right and wrong at the same time...in terms of companies it fits, of course...but you can't use this for people in common. With that logic every white man who kills someone represents all White men, every christian who kill someone all Christians, every Buddhist...etc. The ISIS is a terror organization we must take serious but they don't represent the Islam - the Koran (in their interpretation!) is only the instrument to instrumentalize idiots to do these martyr-shit.
By the way, I don't know Ben Shapiro and cannot say much about him
"History is filled with this, we saw it with the Germans under Hitler, Soviets under Stalin, Chinese under Mao, and so on and so forth. The majority are innocent people, but because of the actions of a select few, they committed terrible acts and the peaceful majority became irrelevant."
But that's a very different story. ISIS is a radical organization like KKK, some sects tc... not a state nor a regime. Just a (big) group of maniacs
Anything you disagree with = right wing propaganda. Got it. You know how easy it is to say what you listen to is left wing propaganda and wr… moreite it off because of that, incredibly easy. I like to go into things with an open mind, and not immediately attack someone who may have the dissenting opinion as I do. Discuss with them, sure, but not attack.
And for the record, the person in the video (Ben Shapiro) does happen to be conservative, but has always been more than fair when it comes to judging both sides of the aisle. He has shit on Trump and Republicans, he's praised Democrats, and vice versa. He's incredibly bright, a great debater, a fantastic speaker, and (hopefully) a future President (a man can dream, can't he).
you can not lump together every group and every religion because of a few psychopaths.
I didn't, I don't, and I never will. How many times do I have to say this: NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE BAD. However, there are a fe… [view original content]
Of course it doesn't represent them as a whole, but it gives them a bad image, and in the real world, image is everything. And again, you see it all the time, not just in history, but in our everyday world. One white cop kills a black guy, and the entire police force is labeled as racist. A few white men from the south put on white hoods and burn crosses, every southerner becomes a racist. One illegal alien crosses the border and murders an innocent citizen, all illegal immigrants become viewed as criminals. So it does happen with people, not just with businesses. The point here is the same point I've been making, the actions of a few do not represent the actions of a whole, but does uncover the dangers that is present if the situation is not treated and handled correctly and the appropriate steps are not taken to prevent it in the future. Of course not all illegal aliens are bad people, a lot just want a better life, but some are also potentially dangerous people that can abuse the system and end up hurting innocent people. Of course not all cops are racist, but there are definitely some individuals who may be, and even if they aren't, whenever something like my example above happens, it turns into a race issue (Michael Brown). And with Muslims, while most are innocent and peaceful people, there are a few who use the teachings of the Quran to kill innocent people.
But the Nazi's started out as a sect, a small political party, and it eventually grew into much more and took power in Germany. Mao Zedong founded the communist party in China, which eventually took control after the Chinese civil war against Chiang Kai-shek. And remember, during the 1950's and 1960's, when the KKK was a much bigger and widespread organization, they held political and other high ranking positions. My point is that they may just be organizations, but it was easy for them to obtain power, and in some of these cases, they did end up taking control of the state. Isn't that what ISIS wants, to establish a caliphate in the Middle East? It's just that they're method is more militaristic, while some of these groups won through democratically held elections or other methods.
"Anything you disagree with = right wing propaganda"
I give you that point
It was not my intention to attack you (just for your first de… moreleted comment) . You are of course right with all the shit islamistic terrorists do, but it has nothing to do with the religion itself. Madmen always find reasons to kill other people. Your Analogy ist right and wrong at the same time...in terms of companies it fits, of course...but you can't use this for people in common. With that logic every white man who kills someone represents all White men, every christian who kill someone all Christians, every Buddhist...etc. The ISIS is a terror organization we must take serious but they don't represent the Islam - the Koran (in their interpretation!) is only the instrument to instrumentalize idiots to do these martyr-shit.
By the way, I don't know Ben Shapiro and cannot say much about him
"History is filled with this, we saw it with the Germans under Hitle… [view original content]
You know nothing of enduring terror as part of your life.
People in the Middle East are the ones who live in fear. Those who suffer unde… morer Wahhabism and have their lives ripped apart by American airstrikes are the ones who know terror and must accept it. Those are the people who's lives you want to further destroy with yet more retarded military adventurism.
"One white cop kills a black guy, and the entire police force is labeled as racist. A few white men from the south put on white hoods and burn crosses, every southerner becomes a racist. One illegal alien crosses the border and murders an innocent citizen, all illegal immigrants become viewed as criminals."
That's exactly what happens the most time, so far I agree with you...but the point is - and I think you also agree with me - that it's stupid to do so. Of course there are many peoply who generalize everything and that's the reason why all the hate arises. Something like a "Travel Ban" is the worst solution you can come with, it will make everything worse, it's the same as if you abolish all police-men just because one shot a innocent person...or one crazy christian sect guru kills a person of another religion and you forbid the whole Christianity...It's just the far extreme. ..and that's the problem with populists (like Trump for example), they don't see the whole problem and are looking for the easiest solution they can come with - even if the solution will make everything worse.
Of course it doesn't represent them as a whole, but it gives them a bad image, and in the real world, image is everything. And again, you se… moree it all the time, not just in history, but in our everyday world. One white cop kills a black guy, and the entire police force is labeled as racist. A few white men from the south put on white hoods and burn crosses, every southerner becomes a racist. One illegal alien crosses the border and murders an innocent citizen, all illegal immigrants become viewed as criminals. So it does happen with people, not just with businesses. The point here is the same point I've been making, the actions of a few do not represent the actions of a whole, but does uncover the dangers that is present if the situation is not treated and handled correctly and the appropriate steps are not taken to prevent it in the future. Of course not all illegal aliens are bad people, a lot just want a better life, but some are also potent… [view original content]
but the point is - and I think you also agree with me - that it's stupid to do so
Of course it is, but the fact is that it is real and does exist, despite how small. The fact of the matter is that, while they are a minority, the threat of Muslim extremism is very real and incredibly serious because of this dangerous interpretation, and trying to deny it exists isn't going to stop it. I think we agree that there's a problem, but disagree on what the problem is.
The travel ban was never meant to combat Muslim extremism or generalization, it was meant to protect American citizens through creating a more secure vetting process that would prevent possible dangerous individuals from entering the country.
"One white cop kills a black guy, and the entire police force is labeled as racist. A few white men from the south put on white hoods and bu… morern crosses, every southerner becomes a racist. One illegal alien crosses the border and murders an innocent citizen, all illegal immigrants become viewed as criminals."
That's exactly what happens the most time, so far I agree with you...but the point is - and I think you also agree with me - that it's stupid to do so. Of course there are many peoply who generalize everything and that's the reason why all the hate arises. Something like a "Travel Ban" is the worst solution you can come with, it will make everything worse, it's the same as if you abolish all police-men just because one shot a innocent person...or one crazy christian sect guru kills a person of another religion and you forbid the whole Christianity...It's just the far extreme. ..and that's the problem with populists (like Trump for examp… [view original content]
I hope she wins and not Jeremy Corbyn (who has in his own party have antisemitism)He is the worst an I hope this comment doesn't get deleted.
Also just when I was posting a discussion or two they get closed?Why they just news?Is it wrong to post something that comes off wrong? I Hate That @MetallicaRules did you see that? Something need to be addressed and I hope we get a politics discussion soon and then maybe we will get to have the right to post a disscusion that needs attention.
What's your thoughts on this UK election? @MetallicaRules Do you what that guy Jeremy Corbyn as Prime Minister Of UK? P.S This Better Not Get Deleted Have A Right To A Opinion!!!
I saw that and it pissed me off, they were closed before anyone could even comment. In all honesty, I have not been paying attention to the election all that much as I don't live in the UK. While I applaud Theresa May's response, and I'm sure that will win her some points with her base as well as those who are growing tired of this happening, I don't know what her and Mr. Corbyn's stances are on other issues. As a result, I don't think I have a valuable say or opinion on the matter, so I will choose not to get involved.
I hope she wins and not Jeremy Corbyn (who has in his own party have antisemitism)He is the worst an I hope this comment doesn't get deleted… more.
Also just when I was posting a discussion or two they get closed?Why they just news?Is it wrong to post something that comes off wrong? I Hate That @MetallicaRules did you see that? Something need to be addressed and I hope we get a politics discussion soon and then maybe we will get to have the right to post a disscusion that needs attention.
What's your thoughts on this UK election? @MetallicaRules Do you what that guy Jeremy Corbyn as Prime Minister Of UK? P.S This Better Not Get Deleted Have A Right To A Opinion!!!
Well I think Corbyn literally acts really crazy and most of the people agree his policies are made-up fantasies and they won't do any good if he is elected.
But right now @MetallicaRules I post a new discussion and be quick before they might close that discussion again and that is news that need to be discussed.
Also if May wins(which I hope she does)then it's possible she will do things that need to be done and help and stop more terrorist attacks.
UPDATE: They Closed It!!! Agrhhhhh Really!?! No Freedom Of Opinion Or Having To Post What Needs To Be Posted!! Come On!!! That Was News!!! I even said have Mercy.
UPDATE 2: They Brought It Back!!! Thank You Telltale!!!
I saw that and it pissed me off, they were closed before anyone could even comment. In all honesty, I have not been paying attention to the … moreelection all that much as I don't live in the UK. While I applaud Theresa May's response, and I'm sure that will win her some points with her base as well as those who are growing tired of this happening, I don't know what her and Mr. Corbyn's stances are on other issues. As a result, I don't think I have a valuable say or opinion on the matter, so I will choose not to get involved.
Well I think Corbyn literally acts really crazy and most of the people agree his policies are made-up fantasies and they won't do any good i… moref he is elected.
But right now @MetallicaRules I post a new discussion and be quick before they might close that discussion again and that is news that need to be discussed.
Also if May wins(which I hope she does)then it's possible she will do things that need to be done and help and stop more terrorist attacks.
UPDATE: They Closed It!!! Agrhhhhh Really!?! No Freedom Of Opinion Or Having To Post What Needs To Be Posted!! Come On!!! That Was News!!! I even said have Mercy.
UPDATE 2: They Brought It Back!!! Thank You Telltale!!!
Sorry man I just don't understand why they close something that is really news to have a discussion,but thankfully they brought it back and thank you for bringing back the discussion. Thank You Telltale and I will use my words carefully and I hope that there will be a political disscusionthread soon.So,we can have a discussion on more news updates and things that need to be address.
Way too many sick barbarians in this world. At this point, I'd actually support a global World War 3 against terrorists. Bring the fight to … morethem. Make them fear us and not the other way around. Unite the powerful nations in this world, especially Russia, China, US, Europe, and wipe out the disgusting monsters hiding in the middle east, by footsoldiers and air support. Crush all known islamists in the EU, USA and other parts. Close all mosques that have been proven to be hotspots for radicals. Don't just keep them on "secret lists" of intelligence services. We need to go all-out.. otherwise this shit will go on for dozens of years with countless deaths and injuries of innocent people.
I'm sick of politicians not acting the way they should and only babbling about how tragic all of this is and that they express their condolences. Soft talk won't change anything. We need results.
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TFW You post a comment and people misinterpret it as a joke and then it gets deleted. I'm sorry I guess that you thought I was making a joke this soon after, even though I wasn't.
Anyway, I'm deeply saddened for all of those effected, but something absolutely must be done about this. Solutions need to be put in place soon, because simply taking these attacks as remote incidents and moving on isn't working.
You know what could truly tackle the problem of radical Islam? And not the typical "let's bomb the shit outta of them", something that worked so well in the past clearly. What might actually tackle it is putting in the correct measures to understand what in the name of god is drawing these people to ISIS's beliefs. If they're able to find the reasons so many are drawn to it and are willing to carry out atrocities in it's name, then a possible solution could be found. A lot of these terrorists are actual citizens, people who have lived and worked in London a long time, so I do genuinely believe getting to the root of what's causing ISIS to be appeal to them is very important.
Makes you wonder just what on Earth compels the higher ups, or whoever have this kind of authority, to keep protecting terrorists and letting them enter the country like this.
I fear that another city in the UK will be under attack again soon before anything is done to prevent it from happening.
I've been looking at this thread for quite awhile... and I see smart comments getting deleted, some stupid ones as well. Watch the Prime Minister of Poland's speech on youtube and wake the fuck up.
I think Poland has it's own problems with extreme racism-motivated violence these days.
There are none. It's the opposite. Also how can someone be racist against him/herself?
Also FUCK ISIS!
Yeah some of my comments including @MetallicaRules comments too.Like what is the big idea? MetallicaRules has some good comments and they get deleted. I hope we have the politics discussion thread again cause there we don't have our comments getting deleted.
I appreciate the defense. My comments just got deleted, no rhyme or reason, not even a message from a moderator as to why. Nothing I said was offensive, nor did it harm or threaten anyone, it was just the dissenting opinion. Maybe if I blamed Trump and Israel it would get to stay.
Any moderators deleting comments because they see it as "inciting" or they simply disagree with it is absolutely unacceptable. What's the point in a community if you can't discuss this kind of stuff? And don't give me the "muh politics thread 3.0" shit. This needs to be discussed.
Batteries, you don't get it, only opinions they agree with are accepted now. Anything else that doesn't comply is grounds for deletion. I'm glad to see this place is becoming a safe space echo chamber.
http://www.dw.com/en/poland-racism-on-the-rise/a-36812032
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2016/01/14/stop-racist-violence-in-poland/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-racism-uk-post-referendum-racism-hate-crime-eu-referendum-racism-unleashed-poland-racist-a7160786.html
http://politicalcritique.org/cee/poland/2017/polish-racism-in-a-mazurian-kebab-shop/
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You claimed stupid bullshit like all terrorists are muslims etc. So, no wonder it got deleted. Think and inform yourself before you write comments.
All terrorist attacks in recent memory have been committed by people belonging to the Muslim faith, however, I also acknowledged that not all Muslims are terrorists, most are good people, and that the mentality that creates those that pervert Islam to kill innocent beings should be destroyed. What Christian terrorists are there? What Jewish terrorists are there? What Buddhist terrorists are there? What Scientologist terrorists are there? What Hindu terrorists are there? What atheist terrorists are there. What flying spaghetti monster terrorists are there?
What a shithead-speach...yeah fundamentalism is not just an islamic thing.
Look at the school-massacres, KKK-crimes in the US or the NSU-crimes in Germany (a nazi organisation that killed randomly turkish people and a police-officer). There are so many mentally ill people in the world, the ISIS-assholes are only one part of them. Terrorism is not just a religious thing... more than 99% of muslims are not terrorists.
For those who would like to know more about the Ottoman invasion, I encourage a listen to one of my favorite Sabaton songs, Winged Hussars, about the Polish winged hussars, one of the greatest cavalry units in history, saving the city of Vienna in Austria from the Ottoman forces, leading to the creation of the Holy League, which pushed the Ottoman forces out of Europe.
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You are a fool. Sad to know, but better than nothing. Oh and you are the racist here, and I'm not surprised.
And I said most Muslims are not terrorists, however, even though they aren't terrorists, some (15-25%) hold what is considered a "radical" position, and this is backed up by studies, research, and intelligence agencies. Now granted, there is a difference between being a radical and a violent extremist, and the chances of going from one to the other is much rarer, but still possible.
Yes, there are also youtube videos that explain you, why the earth is flat, that global warming doesn't exist, that Darwin's Theory Of Evolution is wrong etc. Also by looking at all the other videos of this channel I see a direction to right-winged propaganda.
*" There is a difference between being a radical and a violent extremist, and the chances of going from one to the other is much rarer, but still possible." *
So what...everything is possible - that's the same for any radical group. Fundamentalism and absolutism of a religion is always bad...but you can' not lump together every group and every religion because of a few psychopaths.
Islamic terror is a problem, but we cannot solve it by creating walls around us
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Anything you disagree with = right wing propaganda. Got it. You know how easy it is to say what you listen to is left wing propaganda and write it off because of that, incredibly easy. I like to go into things with an open mind, and not immediately attack someone who may have the dissenting opinion as I do. Discuss with them, sure, but not attack.
And for the record, the person in the video (Ben Shapiro) does happen to be conservative, but has always been more than fair when it comes to judging both sides of the aisle. He has shit on Trump and Republicans, he's praised Democrats, and vice versa. He's incredibly bright, a great debater, a fantastic speaker, and (hopefully) a future President (a man can dream, can't he).
I didn't, I don't, and I never will. How many times do I have to say this: NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE BAD. However, there are a few, who happen to be a vocal minority, who go out and cause mass destruction, kill innocent people, and enforce their strict interpretation of Islam on people. Even if it is not the whole or a majority of people, it is still a representation of a group as the acts are committed in the name of it and they belong to that particular group. For example, I'm currently working as an employee at a Chili's restaurant, which means there are certain standards I have to abide by. If I suck at my job or violate the standards, it makes the business look bad as a result, even if I am not a complete representation of the company itself. Because of my acts, I become the face of the company. How about if a friend invites you to a business party that their company is hosting, and several potential, big time clients are there. Even if you don't work for them, you are going as a representative of that company, meaning if you dress or act inappropriately, it makes the company look bad as a result.
History is filled with this, we saw it with the Germans under Hitler, Soviets under Stalin, Chinese under Mao, and so on and so forth. The majority are innocent people, but because of the actions of a select few, they committed terrible acts and the peaceful majority became irrelevant.
"Anything you disagree with = right wing propaganda"
I give you that point
It was not my intention to attack you (just for your first deleted comment) . You are of course right with all the shit islamistic terrorists do, but it has nothing to do with the religion itself. Madmen always find reasons to kill other people. Your Analogy ist right and wrong at the same time...in terms of companies it fits, of course...but you can't use this for people in common. With that logic every white man who kills someone represents all White men, every christian who kill someone all Christians, every Buddhist...etc. The ISIS is a terror organization we must take serious but they don't represent the Islam - the Koran (in their interpretation!) is only the instrument to instrumentalize idiots to do these martyr-shit.
By the way, I don't know Ben Shapiro and cannot say much about him
"History is filled with this, we saw it with the Germans under Hitler, Soviets under Stalin, Chinese under Mao, and so on and so forth. The majority are innocent people, but because of the actions of a select few, they committed terrible acts and the peaceful majority became irrelevant."
But that's a very different story. ISIS is a radical organization like KKK, some sects tc... not a state nor a regime. Just a (big) group of maniacs
You are still confirming that you are a racist. Even Polish Muslims liked the video.
Of course it doesn't represent them as a whole, but it gives them a bad image, and in the real world, image is everything. And again, you see it all the time, not just in history, but in our everyday world. One white cop kills a black guy, and the entire police force is labeled as racist. A few white men from the south put on white hoods and burn crosses, every southerner becomes a racist. One illegal alien crosses the border and murders an innocent citizen, all illegal immigrants become viewed as criminals. So it does happen with people, not just with businesses. The point here is the same point I've been making, the actions of a few do not represent the actions of a whole, but does uncover the dangers that is present if the situation is not treated and handled correctly and the appropriate steps are not taken to prevent it in the future. Of course not all illegal aliens are bad people, a lot just want a better life, but some are also potentially dangerous people that can abuse the system and end up hurting innocent people. Of course not all cops are racist, but there are definitely some individuals who may be, and even if they aren't, whenever something like my example above happens, it turns into a race issue (Michael Brown). And with Muslims, while most are innocent and peaceful people, there are a few who use the teachings of the Quran to kill innocent people.
But the Nazi's started out as a sect, a small political party, and it eventually grew into much more and took power in Germany. Mao Zedong founded the communist party in China, which eventually took control after the Chinese civil war against Chiang Kai-shek. And remember, during the 1950's and 1960's, when the KKK was a much bigger and widespread organization, they held political and other high ranking positions. My point is that they may just be organizations, but it was easy for them to obtain power, and in some of these cases, they did end up taking control of the state. Isn't that what ISIS wants, to establish a caliphate in the Middle East? It's just that they're method is more militaristic, while some of these groups won through democratically held elections or other methods.
nailed it.
Tragic to hear.
"One white cop kills a black guy, and the entire police force is labeled as racist. A few white men from the south put on white hoods and burn crosses, every southerner becomes a racist. One illegal alien crosses the border and murders an innocent citizen, all illegal immigrants become viewed as criminals."
That's exactly what happens the most time, so far I agree with you...but the point is - and I think you also agree with me - that it's stupid to do so. Of course there are many peoply who generalize everything and that's the reason why all the hate arises. Something like a "Travel Ban" is the worst solution you can come with, it will make everything worse, it's the same as if you abolish all police-men just because one shot a innocent person...or one crazy christian sect guru kills a person of another religion and you forbid the whole Christianity...It's just the far extreme. ..and that's the problem with populists (like Trump for example), they don't see the whole problem and are looking for the easiest solution they can come with - even if the solution will make everything worse.
So much of what she said here is a win.
Of course it is, but the fact is that it is real and does exist, despite how small. The fact of the matter is that, while they are a minority, the threat of Muslim extremism is very real and incredibly serious because of this dangerous interpretation, and trying to deny it exists isn't going to stop it. I think we agree that there's a problem, but disagree on what the problem is.
The travel ban was never meant to combat Muslim extremism or generalization, it was meant to protect American citizens through creating a more secure vetting process that would prevent possible dangerous individuals from entering the country.
I hope she wins and not Jeremy Corbyn (who has in his own party have antisemitism)He is the worst an I hope this comment doesn't get deleted.
Also just when I was posting a discussion or two they get closed?Why they just news?Is it wrong to post something that comes off wrong? I Hate That @MetallicaRules did you see that? Something need to be addressed and I hope we get a politics discussion soon and then maybe we will get to have the right to post a disscusion that needs attention.
What's your thoughts on this UK election? @MetallicaRules Do you what that guy Jeremy Corbyn as Prime Minister Of UK? P.S This Better Not Get Deleted Have A Right To A Opinion!!!
I saw that and it pissed me off, they were closed before anyone could even comment. In all honesty, I have not been paying attention to the election all that much as I don't live in the UK. While I applaud Theresa May's response, and I'm sure that will win her some points with her base as well as those who are growing tired of this happening, I don't know what her and Mr. Corbyn's stances are on other issues. As a result, I don't think I have a valuable say or opinion on the matter, so I will choose not to get involved.
Well I think Corbyn literally acts really crazy and most of the people agree his policies are made-up fantasies and they won't do any good if he is elected.
But right now @MetallicaRules I post a new discussion and be quick before they might close that discussion again and that is news that need to be discussed.
Also if May wins(which I hope she does)then it's possible she will do things that need to be done and help and stop more terrorist attacks.
UPDATE: They Closed It!!! Agrhhhhh Really!?! No Freedom Of Opinion Or Having To Post What Needs To Be Posted!! Come On!!! That Was News!!! I even said have Mercy.
UPDATE 2: They Brought It Back!!! Thank You Telltale!!!
Dude you're going to get banned. You can still post politics stuff in the whatever's on your mind thread, do it there.
Sorry man I just don't understand why they close something that is really news to have a discussion,but thankfully they brought it back and thank you for bringing back the discussion. Thank You Telltale and I will use my words carefully and I hope that there will be a political disscusionthread soon.So,we can have a discussion on more news updates and things that need to be address.
P.S THANK YOU TELLTALE!!!
Uh... Yeah. They're everywhere
World War I - The War to End all Wars and how did this end up? War to end war just starts more war
4th was an exact opposite. 3rd is also an exact opposite.