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OBJECTION! Phoenix Wright and Monkey Island

StansCoffinsStansCoffins
edited October 2009 in Tales of Monkey Island
Anyone else hoping that The Trial and Execution of Guybrush Threepwood bears at least a passing resemblance to the Phoenix Wright games? I'd be surprised if no-one at Telltale had played them, and their over the top courtroom antics would fit right in with the Monkey Island universe.

This would be quite appropriate seeing as Phoenix Wright has itself homaged Lucasarts in the past, with his and his mentor's favourite plant being called "Charley". I'll leave you to work that one out.

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  • Toothless GibbonToothless Gibbon
    edited October 2009
    Personally, no.

    I didn't enjoy the PW games at all.
  • ConCon
    edited October 2009
    Phoenix...who?
  • ArodinArodin
    edited October 2009
    I think The Trial and Execution of Guybrush Threepwood should resemble a Monkey Island game.
  • puzzleboxpuzzlebox Telltale Alumni
    edited October 2009
    StansCoffins wrote: »
    This would be quite appropriate seeing as Phoenix Wright has itself homaged Lucasarts in the past, with his and his mentor's favourite plant being called "Charley". I'll leave you to work that one out.

    I haven't played Phoenix Wright, but "Charley" would be a reference to Chuck the Plant in Indiana Jones, right?

    LeChuck had a Chuck the Plant on his ship in Chapter 1 of TMI :)
  • MatakuMataku
    edited October 2009
    well, i don't know what that is,but.... SURE!
  • Javi-Wan KenobiJavi-Wan Kenobi
    edited October 2009
    puzzlebox wrote: »
    I haven't played Phoenix Wright, but "Charley" would be a reference to Chuck the Plant in Indiana Jones, right?

    LeChuck had a Chuck the Plant on his ship in Chapter 1 of TMI :)
    Chuck the Plant was also in Maniac Mansion and Day of the Tentacle.
    As a reference, a plant called "Fernan, la planta" appears in many games from the Spanish company Alcachofa Soft.
  • ThespisThespis
    edited October 2009
    StansCoffins wrote: »
    Anyone else hoping that The Trial and Execution of Guybrush Threepwood bears at least a passing resemblance to the Phoenix Wright games?

    No.
  • HaggisHaggis
    edited October 2009
    http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=3294523
  • LuigiHannLuigiHann
    edited October 2009
    I always like to see the dramatic pointing pose (possibly while shouting "objection"), but beyond that no reference is necessary
  • thin029thin029
    edited October 2009
    No please
  • Ash735Ash735
    edited October 2009
    As much as I love the Phoenix Wright games, and the story arc of the original three games (Apollo Justice had a good story too but something felt different). The style of the games are very different from each other, best to leave them apart.
  • FuryFury
    edited October 2009
    I'd like to see Guybrush or someone do the objection pose.
  • FuryFury
    edited October 2009
    StansCoffins wrote: »

    This would be quite appropriate seeing as Phoenix Wright has itself homaged Lucasarts in the past, with his and his mentor's favourite plant being called "Charley". I'll leave you to work that one out.

    Yeah, if PW can reference Lucasarts, then TOMI can reference PW.
  • VainamoinenVainamoinen Moderator
    edited October 2009
    Errr... ahmmmm... welllllll.... I can say nothing but post a link to another Majus flash movie...

    http://www.majusarts.de/film/flash/phoenix_finalevidence.html

    Not that you could understand anything... but it's Phoenix Wright all right. ;)
  • adventureaddictadventureaddict
    edited October 2009
    I do love the PW games, but I wouldn't put much more than a one-lined joke in TOMI about it.

    Or an "OBJECTION!". I could live with that. =P
  • hplikelikehplikelike
    edited October 2009
    I've already shamelessly plugged my hastily done Phoenix Wright/Guybrush Photoshop.

    One more time couldn't hurt:
    Judge.png
    TrialofGuybrush.png
  • adventureaddictadventureaddict
    edited October 2009
    Oh gosh, Murray with Von Karma's hair is brilliant.
  • FuryFury
    edited October 2009
    adventureaddict wrote: »
    I do love the PW games, but I wouldn't put much more than a one-lined joke in TOMI about it.

    Or an "OBJECTION!". I could live with that. =P

    I would love to see an OBJECTION, or at least someone in that pose.
  • SilverwolfpetSilverwolfpet
    edited October 2009
    Erm... I don't know this game. Could someone explain it in short mono-sillabic words?
  • MajusMajus
    edited October 2009
    It’s an anime-style adventure, means it’s more of an interactive textbook than an adventure as we know.
    You get a client, who is on trial because of murder, but the person is innocent, so you have to do some detective work at the crime scene and talk to people (witness, police etc.) to find new evidence and solve the case.
    The fun part is the courtroom-part, where witnesses tell their version of the happening, and you, as a attorney, go through their testimony and find lies by showing evidence.
    Well, it’s the japanese-kind of story, very epic and emotional. But I love it, and the like fight between attorney and prosecutor is awesome.
    OBJECTION!!
  • Toothless GibbonToothless Gibbon
    edited October 2009
    Silverwolfpet wrote: »
    Erm... I don't know this game. Could someone explain it in short mono-sillabic words?

    They are not fun?
  • MajusMajus
    edited October 2009
    Toothless Gibbon wrote: »
    They are not fun?

    Your opinion.
  • Toothless GibbonToothless Gibbon
    edited October 2009
    Of course....

    I would have said that but "opinion" is not a short mono-sillabic word. ;)
  • MajusMajus
    edited October 2009
    ... Okay, that makes sense Toothless :)
    Vainamoinen wrote: »
    Errr... ahmmmm... welllllll.... I can say nothing but post a link to another Majus flash movie...

    http://www.majusarts.de/film/flash/phoenix_finalevidence.html

    Not that you could understand anything... but it's Phoenix Wright all right. ;)

    I finally made subtitles for one of my movies (took more time than I thought). You can watch this one on YouTube with english subtitles. Just click on this button in the bottom right corner to activate it.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeTT-MXwXR4
    This really is a very very random movie, but our idea was to parody the dramatic stuff of Phoenix Wright… There IS in fact that kind of »Judge thinks that he is guilty, but then Phoenix comes up with a new idea, but he has no new idea yet, but Edgeworth is like, ah the hell, why not, and Phoenix improvises, and everybody is like wtf, then a ghost appears, and...« … er, I lost track, sorry.
  • Ash735Ash735
    edited October 2009
    Funnily enough, I wasn't interested in the Phoenix Wright games until I started watching all the Phoenix Wrong parodies on the internet, after that I was just curious who the characters actually were and started playing the games and got hooked from then.
  • BrainiacBrainiac
    edited October 2009
    Someone had to do this.
  • werpuwerpu
    edited October 2009
    Ash735 wrote: »
    Funnily enough, I wasn't interested in the Phoenix Wright games until I started watching all the Phoenix Wrong parodies on the internet, after that I was just curious who the characters actually were and started playing the games and got hooked from then.

    While I really loved the first part, I sometimes got the feeling playing those games that in the later parts of the game they become more trial and error than anything else. The main issue is that you basically "fight" in the courtroom in a multiple choice manner and later nailing down your opponents becomes so illogical in many instances that it is close to impossible to solve the case without trying.
    So for me I basically stopped every phoenix wright game more or less at case 3. But up until that point the games are tremendous fun, however as usualy once a formula is found, japanese game designers tend to stretch and recycle the mechanics ad nauseum, phoenix wright is the rule not the exception.
  • Ash735Ash735
    edited October 2009
    Yeah, there are a good few cases like that where you actually have to lie to get passed even if you have no evidence as proof, for example, this is pure Trial and Error, Game 3 Case 3, final chance:
    You had to proof that Tigre was the one who poisoned the victim and as a last resort, you had to lie and claim the medicine bottle you had was actually the poison bottle to which Tigre, like an idiot, blurts out that it isn't the Poison bottle and then he clearly explains what it looks like and that he still had it, how were we as a player suppose to know that without guessing?
  • uniqortkgauniqortkga
    edited October 2009
    I'm not 100% sure, but I think that you got a very clear hint that you need to exploit what Tigre doesn't know.
  • FuryFury
    edited October 2009
    Finally Majus, you subbed that video. That being said, I guessed most of it when I watched it before.

    PW is a great game, it even inspired me to do a science/law double degree. I decided to drop law however, as when I shouted "OBJECTION" and pointed in my first lecture, I was told to sit down.

    So I suppose PW has misled me into thinking being a lawyer is interesting.

    I think TOMI will reference it. They're both pretty influential games, and PW already referenced LucasArts. It'll happen.
  • hplikelikehplikelike
    edited October 2009
    Majus wrote: »
    ... Okay, that makes sense Toothless :)



    I finally made subtitles for one of my movies (took more time than I thought). You can watch this one on YouTube with english subtitles. Just click on this button in the bottom right corner to activate it.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeTT-MXwXR4
    This really is a very very random movie, but our idea was to parody the dramatic stuff of Phoenix Wright… There IS in fact that kind of »Judge thinks that he is guilty, but then Phoenix comes up with a new idea, but he has no new idea yet, but Edgeworth is like, ah the hell, why not, and Phoenix improvises, and everybody is like wtf, then a ghost appears, and...« … er, I lost track, sorry.

    AND AFTER ALL THE TROUBLE I WENT TO TO GET A FRIEND OF MINE WHO'S TAKING GERMAN TO TRANSLATE THE GIST OF THE VIDEO, YOU GO OUT AND RELEASE SUBTITLES.

    GEE, THANKS MAJUS

    [/sarcasm]

    Seriously, THANK YOU!!! :) This is amazing!!! (but the subtitles only worked for me if I put the video into a separate window. I think it's some kind of bug with youtube or my computer)
  • hplikelikehplikelike
    edited October 2009
    Brainiac wrote: »
    Someone had to do this.

    HOW DO YOU DO THAT!?!?

    The music... and godot... and...

    Any other secrets?
  • BrainiacBrainiac
    edited October 2009
    hplikelike wrote: »
    HOW DO YOU DO THAT!?!?

    The music... and godot... and...

    Any other secrets?

    Are you even the slightest bit capable of the most rudimentary of cryptanalysis? If the answer is yes, you'll be fine.
  • LuigiHannLuigiHann
    edited October 2009
    Ash735 wrote: »
    Yeah, there are a good few cases like that where you actually have to lie to get passed even if you have no evidence as proof, for example, this is pure Trial and Error, Game 3 Case 3, final chance:
    You had to proof that Tigre was the one who poisoned the victim and as a last resort, you had to lie and claim the medicine bottle you had was actually the poison bottle to which Tigre, like an idiot, blurts out that it isn't the Poison bottle and then he clearly explains what it looks like and that he still had it, how were we as a player suppose to know that without guessing?

    I thought that was a pretty clever puzzle. Gotta think outside the box.

    I like the games a lot, only bothers me when I'm thinking too far ahead and I get punished for presenting the evidence that I was supposed to present after Nick figures it out. But they're funny and clever games.
  • TomPravetzTomPravetz
    edited October 2009
    Majus wrote: »
    ... Okay, that makes sense Toothless :)



    I finally made subtitles for one of my movies (took more time than I thought). You can watch this one on YouTube with english subtitles. Just click on this button in the bottom right corner to activate it.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeTT-MXwXR4

    So Majus. I can finally understand the language. (Er, ich spreche nicht Deutsch.) But with the sub-titles, I could read. I still don't understand it. O_o
    I think I need more nudge-nudges, wink-winks, and armwave-armwaves...
  • hplikelikehplikelike
    edited October 2009
    Brainiac wrote: »
    Are you even the slightest bit capable of the most rudimentary of cryptanalysis? If the answer is yes, you'll be fine.

    Yeah... I knew about that...

    but I am not the slightest bit capable of the most rudimentary of cryptanalysis.

    I kinda got the has-no-clue-what-cryptanalysis-is working against me :D
  • VitonerVitoner
    edited October 2009
    "The Trial and Execution Of Guybrush Threepwood: Stan Attorney"

    I really wish Stan to be Guybrush's attorney!!!
  • Javi-Wan KenobiJavi-Wan Kenobi
    edited October 2009
    Me too!!!
    Or Guybrush's prosecutor
    Or Guybrush's judge
    Or Guybrush's witness
    Or Guybrush's whatever
    I just need Stan to have an important (and coherent, not just a cameo) role in ToMI.
    He's inseparable part of the MI franchise, he's been in every game, just like voodoo lady.
  • BrainiacBrainiac
    edited October 2009
    hplikelike wrote: »
    I kinda got the has-no-clue-what-cryptanalysis-is working against me :D

    At the most basic level, cryptanalysis = codebreaking. That's a very easy cipher to crack, believe me.
    Just think about the order of the letters in the English alphabet.
  • hplikelikehplikelike
    edited October 2009
    Brainiac wrote: »
    At the most basic level, cryptanalysis = codebreaking. That's a very easy cipher to crack, believe me.
    Just think about the order of the letters in the English alphabet.

    Ok, I'll give it a try when I have free time.

    Use... clue... with... code...
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