These episodes are coming more and more gripping! I played chapters one and two in about a week since I was able to play them in small segments, but I really tore through three and four! Stan was funny. Not brilliantly used like Murray, but he wasn't a waste or anything. Pretty cool! There's got to be more to the Voodoo Lady revelation... No way that's the whole story!
I thought that Morgan might die, but I was still shocked when it happened. It filled me with a sort of empty and sad feeling... Then I realized that I was TOTALLY brought down by a Monkey Island game! I wanted pathos and emotional drama, and I got it. But immediately after Morgan died I longed for the days of the earlier games, where we knew that characters that we cared about were safe.
I actually didn't fell nearly as sad when Guybrush died because a) It's in the title of the episode and b) I was too pumped from hearing EARL BOEN AS LECHUCK! He was the one element I felt like the game had really been missing, the only member of the "Monkey Island Voice Trinity (along with Armato and Boyd) that the game lacked. Now he's back... Oh damn!
I actually think Tales might be LeChuck at his most evil. I know that most people will say that's MI2, but think about it... Instead of putting Guybrush in a convoluted death trap, he just out and out stabs him. No crap, nothing he just mercilessly kills him!
All in all, a fantastic episode! Tales is definitely my favorite in the series since it's much more emotionally involving. The humor is funnier, and the characters are more expressive meaning there's some real pathos too!
I loved this episode. Beat it last night. I was really surprised to see how well a typically goofy series got injected with dark and serious plot twists. I'll admit it - I was 100% trusting of Le'Chuck, right until the part where he stabbed Guybrush.
I honestly have no idea how this will end. So many loose threads that could be tied together. For example, did anyone notice that Guybrush's hand ran off at the end? What's that little guy up to? And hey - if it contains the fuel needed to give De Singe his healing ability, could it help revive it's previous owner? Also, could it have been what stabbed Morgan?
Which reminds me, what did that electromagnetic monkey say to her in the lab!? This all comes together somehow, but the possibilities for how are many. Im very excited to find out.
Iiiii dunno, this episode didn't seem all that great to me. Sure Morgan's death was kinda sad, but I think it gets a bit cheap when they kill off three characters in very quick succession. Not to mention that 1) the ending wasn't that much of a shock really. The name of the chapter does say "Trial AND Execution" after all, and 2) I doubt the gameplay could ever leave Guybrush's side, so he should be back pretty soon. It just wouldn't be the same without the dumb comments and silliness we've come to expect from our beloved main character.
Aaaand the whole thing tended to get a little repetetive at the start of the game, what with the going in and out of court over and over, and having to call most witnesses twice.
It's far from a bad game, but it's just not quite on par with the rest of the series so far. And the Voodoo Lady being behind everything? Seems something of an Ass Pull if I'm not mistaken. I'm hoping this will be proven wrong. What reason would she even have?
It's far from a bad game, but it's just not quite on par with the rest of the series so far. And the Voodoo Lady being behind everything? Seems something of an Ass Pull if I'm not mistaken. I'm hoping this will be proven wrong. What reason would she even have?
I very much agree, but I still have hope that the whole Voodoo lady thing will play out satisfactorily. Especially since, apparently, Ron Gilbert had the most to say about the next episode, from what I've heard second-hand and can't substantiate at all(so don't quote me)TM.
If played off right, and an intricate and cool enough plan is revealed in the next episode, it could really prove to be one of the more rewarding parts of the season. Given my negative impression of the drama in this episode though, I do sort of worry that my faith may be ill-placed.
And the Voodoo Lady being behind everything? Seems something of an Ass Pull if I'm not mistaken. I'm hoping this will be proven wrong. What reason would she even have?
I think that accusation can be seen in another light after LeChuck showed his true intentions. He probably tried to seed mistrust between Guybrush and the Voodoo Lady.
I think that accusation can be seen in another light after LeChuck showed his true intentions. He probably tried to seed mistrust between Guybrush and the Voodoo Lady.
Ah, true, BUT where did the diary come from? Surely he didn't spend huge periods of time crafting such an important piece of evidence?
I think that accusation can be seen in another light after LeChuck showed his true intentions. He probably tried to seed mistrust between Guybrush and the Voodoo Lady.
Except the Voodoo lady doesn't deny it, and in fact she more or less tries to justify it. Plus, it's a pretty big revelation to then go "Ha, nah, nevermind."
Of course, it wouldn't be the FIRST time that a big revelation was made and then ignored/explained away in a stupid fashion in this series. But it would be the first time that ten years of nothing and a new team couldn't be used as a viable excuse.
Did anybody in the chapter actually read the diary?
Maybe I just forgot, but afaik nobody did. It could very well be fake, and the Voodoo Lady did not object. In fact, she even paid Stan to defend LeChuck.
My guess is that the Voodoo Lady as always knows that somehow Guybrush and LeChuck must be free to fulfill their destiny.
LeChuck opened it and waved it around a little. As for the Voodoo Lady's side of the story, I didn't really speak to her past bugging her for clues to the feast. And now I feel rather ill equipped to argue my point.
.. but it still stands.
Guybrush is really dead. In Episode 5, he will be permanently replaced by his alternate self from another dimension, Guybrush Q. Threepwood. Mystery solved.
Guybrush is really dead. In Episode 5, he will be permanently replaced by his alternate self from another dimension, Guybrush Q. Threepwood. Mystery solved.
I just came to that same conclusion on a different thread. Guybrush Q is the result of a temporal paradox caused by going the wrong direction in Escape! But if my gaming experience is anything to go by, there must be at least 4 other Guybrushes running around.
I just came to that same conclusion on a different thread. Guybrush Q is the result of a temporal paradox caused by going the wrong direction in Escape! But if my gaming experience is anything to go by, there must be at least 4 other Guybrushes running around.
You can tell the fake ones cos they don't have bellybuttons (sorry, just watched the Simpsons Halloween marathon hehheh)!
Here's a question... Have we ever seen Guybrush really angry before this episode? Not even LeChuck has ever gotten a rise out of Guybrush like the one DeSinge got after Guybrush found Morgan's body. It's like he's developing as a character or something@
Here's a question... Have we ever seen Guybrush really angry before this episode? Not even LeChuck has ever gotten a rise out of Guybrush like the one DeSinge got after Guybrush found Morgan's body. It's like he's developing as a character or something@
Oh this reminds me of something. I don't think he even mentioned Morgan being murdered at the part where he actually finally meets up with De Singe at the end.
EXCEPT as an aside to Elaine IF you select the option. And even then, only Elaine's reaction is shown, and Guybrush does not interact with De Singe nor does De Singe react to their convo.
Which is weird really. Could be an oversight, since personally, shouldn't Guybrush mention it a little? As in, in an actual canon cutscene instead of a small aside.
Oh this reminds me of something. I don't think he even mentioned Morgan being murdered at the part where he actually finally meets up with De Singe at the end.
Seems like you missed something. There is a conversation option with DeSinge where Guybrush accuses him of killing Morgan.
De Singe doesn't outright deny killing Morgan, but he seems to find the idea laughable. The life of a pirate hunter means little in comparison to unlocking the secrets of immortality, after all.
While De Singe is unlikely to have had qualms about killing Morgan(he didn't seem to have any about reducing Elaine to dust), De Singe as the murderer doesn't fit so well.
For one thing, Morgan had enough time to tell Guybrush that De Singe killed her before she died. She didn't even mention de Singe's name, and Morgan is vengeful enough that she would probably want to name her killer so that she could be avenged. Instead, she whispers something to Guybrush that she was apparently told by a magnetic monkey. What could have been that important? It's likely that she told Guybrush something very important, something he won't realize was important until well into Chapter 5.
Next, Morgan was stabbed from the front, apparently with her own sword. If De Singe had done it, he most likely would have struck her in the back. He also would have been more likely to use one of his devices rather than Morgan's own sword.
Also, De Singe gave no indication of being trained to use a sword. A pox-fueled Elaine couldn't get past Morgan's guard, but De Singe could? Some have speculated that Morgan stabbed De Singe, he healed instantly, and she was so surprised that she left herself open to being killed. The problem with this theory is that Morgan knew something was up with De Singe after she broke his finger in Club 41. He healed up right in front of her, and she was unsettled by that. Morgan's smart enough to notice an enemy's strengths and be prepared to counter them. At the very least, she would have expected De Singe to heal any wounds she gave him just like he healed the one in the bar.
So...who killed Morgan? I don't know. But I doubt it was De Singe. It's too obvious, too easy and there's too many contradictions. Plus, we can't even be certain that Morgan is dead, what with her body disappearing and all.
I just wonder how long Hardtack has been helping LeChuck. Maybe he kept letting Guybrush out of his cell not because he was an idiot, but because LeChuck needed Guybrush to be able to prove his innocence and continue to search for La Esponja Grande.
Finally, the Voodoo Lady. I don't doubt that she's been manipulating things behind the scenes for years, but I don't think she's the villain of the piece. Like a certain Jedi Master, she's been telling Guybrush things "from a certain point of view". I believed her when she said she had never lied to Guybrush, and that she could not tell him what was really going on because "the walls have ears", i.e. LeChuck in the next cell.
I guess we'll have to wait about a month for our answers.
Or, the Voodoo Lady turns out to be Morgan LeFlay. The reason her body disappeared was because it got transportated back in time. However, due to her molecules being scrambled and such, she didn't come back right. In other words, she became black. And got this funny accent.
My vote is she was killed by Jacques the monkey - but unintentionally. = P I mean, the dude's magnetic - if he was stood behind Morgan, surely her sword might be magnetically attracted to him and...
Yeah, actually, maybe not. I guess we'll find out in Chapter 5, at any rate.
Isn't it most likely that Morgan was 'killed' by Guybrush's hand? When DeSinge flees from his lab, he does NOT yet have the turban and the hand on his head, and neither does he when he's hunting down Elaine. Furthermore, the Pox infecting the hand is Voodoo - possibly all part of the Voodoo's Lady Plan. And of course, to be saved, the hand might again be necessary to heal Morgan...
Might be a dumb point - but didnt greg house (house MD) ever say the same thing as Guybrush when he nearly dies "is it you mother..." because otherwise what is it a reference to - why does he say that
Might be a dumb point - but didnt greg house (house MD) ever say the same thing as Guybrush when he nearly dies "is it you mother..." because otherwise what is it a reference to - why does he say that
The one thing I love about Guybrush is his personality, everything that happens to him and people around him he can take with a goofy smile and a funny comment. No matter the case he would always make me laugh.
But when he finds Morgan I just saw a whole new Guybrush, he was really serious his personality just changed. The cut scene was really touching, how he turns her head and closes her eyes and takes the sword out and places it in her hands. The way he looks sad and looks of to the distance, "De Singe!" The whole mood in that room is just different from the rest of the game, everything you interact with, he just tell about them like a normal person, no funny comments or anything. (Well except maybe from the door to the Creepy room, and the skeleton). But the mood goes back to normal when he leaves the room.
So unexpected that I get a whole new respect for Guybrush, even thought I loved him as a character before, I really love him now as his personality is evolving like that, truly amazing.
But the death of Guybrush himself was truly a beautiful and sad scene, Elaine screaming his name and him gutted saying her name, tossed like a rag doll. Disoriented thinking Elaine is his mum, and that he has washed his hands it’s so sad and random at the same time it really ads to the whole mood. Looking so lost when LeChuck is talking about the flirting going on when he wasn’t there, and looking to his wife for comfort asking her to do him the favour of kicking LeChuck’s butt for him, and then falls over dead.
It was so heartbreaking and yet somehow Guybrush manages to put that little piece of humour in to it, just to make it all bearable.
I watched all this happen on the edge of my chair, my mouth open and tears in my eyes (even tears in my eyes as I am typing this).
It was so dramatic yet beautiful, a very nice ending you never thought you would see in an MI game.
Even thought the title suggests that he was going to die, I never thought it would be so dramatic as this.
I think Dominic Armato did a great job on this one, he as done a great job for giving Guybrush the personality he has, but this was something new for him and I think he did it flawlessly, giving Guybrush more depth, and a new personality you never thought you would see.
I finished the chapter past midnight, but the entire night I couldn’t sleep because I wanted to know what had happened to him, half past 5 in the morning I got up just to play for 15mins of chapter 5 before I went to work, just to see if he was ok.
Yeah, I wasn't expecting it to be done as dramatically as it was.
Even though I was fairly sure Guybrush would die in the chapter, when I saw it happen it was still one of those "... whoa." moments.
The balance between darkness and comedy was done particularly well in this chapter, as was the pacing. Quite a dramatic turning point when you go from goofing off with Stan to finding Morgan with a sword through her!
Heh, you were lucky all the chapters were out when you played it, VeronicanPlay - some of us had to wait a month to find out what had happened to Guybrush after he died! (then on release day we were all going crazy on the forums, waiting for the download to become available... good times!)
Heh, you were lucky all the chapters were out when you played it, VeronicanPlay - some of us had to wait a month to find out what had happened to Guybrush after he died! (then on release day we were all going crazy on the forums, waiting for the download to become available... good times!)
Stuff like that is half the reason that I really want to see another ToMI season soon.
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I remained still, with my mouth wide open.
I said out loud: "They're killing someone in a Monkey Island game? For real? No gag? No humor?"
Pause.
"Hell YESSSSS!"
And I didn't even know what was going to happen to Guybrush in the finale!
I feel strange. I don't feel like "commenting" the game. I was totally INTO the game, it was impossible to detach myself from the story.
Everyone who thinks adventure games are getting old should be stuck to a chair with glue. Sentenced to Tales of Monkey Island continuous playing.
And they did it three times in a row, too.
These episodes are coming more and more gripping! I played chapters one and two in about a week since I was able to play them in small segments, but I really tore through three and four! Stan was funny. Not brilliantly used like Murray, but he wasn't a waste or anything. Pretty cool! There's got to be more to the Voodoo Lady revelation... No way that's the whole story!
I thought that Morgan might die, but I was still shocked when it happened. It filled me with a sort of empty and sad feeling... Then I realized that I was TOTALLY brought down by a Monkey Island game! I wanted pathos and emotional drama, and I got it. But immediately after Morgan died I longed for the days of the earlier games, where we knew that characters that we cared about were safe.
I actually didn't fell nearly as sad when Guybrush died because a) It's in the title of the episode and b) I was too pumped from hearing EARL BOEN AS LECHUCK! He was the one element I felt like the game had really been missing, the only member of the "Monkey Island Voice Trinity (along with Armato and Boyd) that the game lacked. Now he's back... Oh damn!
I actually think Tales might be LeChuck at his most evil. I know that most people will say that's MI2, but think about it... Instead of putting Guybrush in a convoluted death trap, he just out and out stabs him. No crap, nothing he just mercilessly kills him!
All in all, a fantastic episode! Tales is definitely my favorite in the series since it's much more emotionally involving. The humor is funnier, and the characters are more expressive meaning there's some real pathos too!
I honestly have no idea how this will end. So many loose threads that could be tied together. For example, did anyone notice that Guybrush's hand ran off at the end? What's that little guy up to? And hey - if it contains the fuel needed to give De Singe his healing ability, could it help revive it's previous owner? Also, could it have been what stabbed Morgan?
Which reminds me, what did that electromagnetic monkey say to her in the lab!? This all comes together somehow, but the possibilities for how are many. Im very excited to find out.
Aaaand the whole thing tended to get a little repetetive at the start of the game, what with the going in and out of court over and over, and having to call most witnesses twice.
It's far from a bad game, but it's just not quite on par with the rest of the series so far. And the Voodoo Lady being behind everything? Seems something of an Ass Pull if I'm not mistaken. I'm hoping this will be proven wrong. What reason would she even have?
If played off right, and an intricate and cool enough plan is revealed in the next episode, it could really prove to be one of the more rewarding parts of the season. Given my negative impression of the drama in this episode though, I do sort of worry that my faith may be ill-placed.
I think that accusation can be seen in another light after LeChuck showed his true intentions. He probably tried to seed mistrust between Guybrush and the Voodoo Lady.
Ah, true, BUT where did the diary come from? Surely he didn't spend huge periods of time crafting such an important piece of evidence?
Of course, it wouldn't be the FIRST time that a big revelation was made and then ignored/explained away in a stupid fashion in this series. But it would be the first time that ten years of nothing and a new team couldn't be used as a viable excuse.
Maybe I just forgot, but afaik nobody did. It could very well be fake, and the Voodoo Lady did not object. In fact, she even paid Stan to defend LeChuck.
My guess is that the Voodoo Lady as always knows that somehow Guybrush and LeChuck must be free to fulfill their destiny.
.. but it still stands.
I just came to that same conclusion on a different thread. Guybrush Q is the result of a temporal paradox caused by going the wrong direction in Escape! But if my gaming experience is anything to go by, there must be at least 4 other Guybrushes running around.
You can tell the fake ones cos they don't have bellybuttons (sorry, just watched the Simpsons Halloween marathon hehheh)!
Oh this reminds me of something. I don't think he even mentioned Morgan being murdered at the part where he actually finally meets up with De Singe at the end.
EXCEPT as an aside to Elaine IF you select the option. And even then, only Elaine's reaction is shown, and Guybrush does not interact with De Singe nor does De Singe react to their convo.
Which is weird really. Could be an oversight, since personally, shouldn't Guybrush mention it a little? As in, in an actual canon cutscene instead of a small aside.
Seems like you missed something. There is a conversation option with DeSinge where Guybrush accuses him of killing Morgan.
Really? I don't even remember that, and I just finished the game like 20min ago LOL
It's an optional conversation. At the beginning of the finale Guybrush can choose to confront DeSinge about Morgans death.
While De Singe is unlikely to have had qualms about killing Morgan(he didn't seem to have any about reducing Elaine to dust), De Singe as the murderer doesn't fit so well.
For one thing, Morgan had enough time to tell Guybrush that De Singe killed her before she died. She didn't even mention de Singe's name, and Morgan is vengeful enough that she would probably want to name her killer so that she could be avenged. Instead, she whispers something to Guybrush that she was apparently told by a magnetic monkey. What could have been that important? It's likely that she told Guybrush something very important, something he won't realize was important until well into Chapter 5.
Next, Morgan was stabbed from the front, apparently with her own sword. If De Singe had done it, he most likely would have struck her in the back. He also would have been more likely to use one of his devices rather than Morgan's own sword.
Also, De Singe gave no indication of being trained to use a sword. A pox-fueled Elaine couldn't get past Morgan's guard, but De Singe could? Some have speculated that Morgan stabbed De Singe, he healed instantly, and she was so surprised that she left herself open to being killed. The problem with this theory is that Morgan knew something was up with De Singe after she broke his finger in Club 41. He healed up right in front of her, and she was unsettled by that. Morgan's smart enough to notice an enemy's strengths and be prepared to counter them. At the very least, she would have expected De Singe to heal any wounds she gave him just like he healed the one in the bar.
So...who killed Morgan? I don't know. But I doubt it was De Singe. It's too obvious, too easy and there's too many contradictions. Plus, we can't even be certain that Morgan is dead, what with her body disappearing and all.
I just wonder how long Hardtack has been helping LeChuck. Maybe he kept letting Guybrush out of his cell not because he was an idiot, but because LeChuck needed Guybrush to be able to prove his innocence and continue to search for La Esponja Grande.
Finally, the Voodoo Lady. I don't doubt that she's been manipulating things behind the scenes for years, but I don't think she's the villain of the piece. Like a certain Jedi Master, she's been telling Guybrush things "from a certain point of view". I believed her when she said she had never lied to Guybrush, and that she could not tell him what was really going on because "the walls have ears", i.e. LeChuck in the next cell.
I guess we'll have to wait about a month for our answers.
Yeah, actually, maybe not. I guess we'll find out in Chapter 5, at any rate.
Or maybe just a reference to Secret of Monkey Island's reference to Loom?
But when he finds Morgan I just saw a whole new Guybrush, he was really serious his personality just changed. The cut scene was really touching, how he turns her head and closes her eyes and takes the sword out and places it in her hands. The way he looks sad and looks of to the distance, "De Singe!" The whole mood in that room is just different from the rest of the game, everything you interact with, he just tell about them like a normal person, no funny comments or anything. (Well except maybe from the door to the Creepy room, and the skeleton). But the mood goes back to normal when he leaves the room.
So unexpected that I get a whole new respect for Guybrush, even thought I loved him as a character before, I really love him now as his personality is evolving like that, truly amazing.
But the death of Guybrush himself was truly a beautiful and sad scene, Elaine screaming his name and him gutted saying her name, tossed like a rag doll. Disoriented thinking Elaine is his mum, and that he has washed his hands it’s so sad and random at the same time it really ads to the whole mood. Looking so lost when LeChuck is talking about the flirting going on when he wasn’t there, and looking to his wife for comfort asking her to do him the favour of kicking LeChuck’s butt for him, and then falls over dead.
It was so heartbreaking and yet somehow Guybrush manages to put that little piece of humour in to it, just to make it all bearable.
I watched all this happen on the edge of my chair, my mouth open and tears in my eyes (even tears in my eyes as I am typing this).
It was so dramatic yet beautiful, a very nice ending you never thought you would see in an MI game.
Even thought the title suggests that he was going to die, I never thought it would be so dramatic as this.
I think Dominic Armato did a great job on this one, he as done a great job for giving Guybrush the personality he has, but this was something new for him and I think he did it flawlessly, giving Guybrush more depth, and a new personality you never thought you would see.
I finished the chapter past midnight, but the entire night I couldn’t sleep because I wanted to know what had happened to him, half past 5 in the morning I got up just to play for 15mins of chapter 5 before I went to work, just to see if he was ok.
Even though I was fairly sure Guybrush would die in the chapter, when I saw it happen it was still one of those "... whoa." moments.
The balance between darkness and comedy was done particularly well in this chapter, as was the pacing. Quite a dramatic turning point when you go from goofing off with Stan to finding Morgan with a sword through her!
Heh, you were lucky all the chapters were out when you played it, VeronicanPlay - some of us had to wait a month to find out what had happened to Guybrush after he died! (then on release day we were all going crazy on the forums, waiting for the download to become available... good times!)
Stuff like that is half the reason that I really want to see another ToMI season soon.