My theory for chap. 5...

edited November 2009 in Tales of Monkey Island
Okay, so after finishing chapter 4, I couldn't shake the feeling that we're going to do some sort of "Land of the Dead" thing at the start of Chap. 5. In fact, they could even do a fun Manny cameo if they get the rights from LucasArts. Anyway, I've counted five people who have apparently died so far in Tales. One is Guybrush, another is DeSinge. The other three are Noogie, Nipperkin and Morgan. Now, what if Guybrush has to put together a crew to get out of the "Land of the Dead." I realize this isn't really an original idea (someone may have even posted it here already), but MI is all about doing unoriginal things in creative new ways. What do you guys think? Am I completely out of it? Is it possible? Probable, even?

I suppose we'll have to wait to find out, but it seemed like a good setup to me...



Now what would be really funny is if we woke up on a slab in a mortuary and Mor...I mean, Murray came and greeted us...
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  • edited November 2009
    Huh? When did Nipperkin die--did I miss something?

    I like your idea--I like the whole general "crew of deadfolk" thing.
  • edited November 2009
    When you visit the remains of Voodoo Lady's shack, D'oro tells you Nipperkin went up in flames... unless it was all a message planted in his mind by Voodoo Lady, we could hear her chanting as he was speaking...
  • edited November 2009
    McGillicutty also died, don't forget him. (Hardtack mentions that Guybrush killed his caption, thus ending the "did McGillicutty die?" debate.)
  • edited November 2009
    Of course MI are doing uncreative things. We've been walking the earth for thousands if not hundreds of thousands of years. The amount of things tens of billions of people will think up over their lives makes most ideas pretty unoriginal these days! :p

    I agree with the undead thing. I'm not sure they'd go back to standard-formula-1 quite that badly in re: getting a crew together, but i'm sure there'll be plenty of people who don't particularly like Guybrush.

    On a partly separate note: I hated Ozzie Mandrill's character. Someone said maybe he'll be around. I hope there's a separate pirate-underworld to property-tycoon-underworld so we don't see him! :)
  • edited November 2009
    I don't remember Noogie dying. Wasn't he with the rest of DeCava's crew when the manatee swallowed them again?

    Anyway, about your theory.
    Sorry if I'm getting on anyone's nerves posting those links in half the threads on here (okay, only four so far), but a lot of people seem to be missing the threads I post them in.

    Edit: Haha, the spoiler tag doesn't turn blue links to white text.
  • edited November 2009
    Gah. I see the article.

    Gah.

    Elaine and Guybrush power couple.

    There goes all hopes of a Morgan relationship.

    Still, land of the dead sounds awesome.
  • edited November 2009
    Fury wrote: »
    Gah. I see the article.

    Gah.

    Elaine and Guybrush power couple.

    There goes all hopes of a Morgan relationship.

    Still, land of the dead sounds awesome.
    Wait, you seriously think that...
    even AFTER he spent the entire game fighting, exploring, and adventuring across the Caribbean to cure her, after dying in her arms, after she was torn up so badly by his death to be sent into a vengeful rage, after she began her fight with a tribute to her dead husband, that in this series it made ANY dramatic sense for Guybrush to then...in the FINAL ACT...look at Morgan and run off to have a sexy pirate/privateer affair with her?
  • edited November 2009
    Fury wrote: »
    Elaine and Guybrush power couple.

    There goes all hopes of a Morgan relationship.

    Hmm, a... Bermuda Triangle? : )
  • edited November 2009
    I don't remember Noogie dying. Wasn't he with the rest of DeCava's crew when the manatee swallowed them again?

    Bugeye said that Noogie "went to a nice farm upstate" - a strong metaphor to suggest that they killed him.

    Sorry if I'm getting on anyone's nerves posting those links in half the threads on here (okay, only four so far), but a lot of people seem to be missing the threads I post them in.

    Never mind, I'm sure there are LOADS of people who are as curious as hell to find out what is to come in the final episode, and posting these links in as many places as possible is the best way to go about quenching their thirst for info on RotPG.
  • edited November 2009
    Bugeye said that Noogie "went to a nice farm upstate" - a strong metaphor to suggest that they killed him.

    I don't remember that either. I don't remember DeCava's crew being separated at any point. Guess I can add that to my list of things I don't remember to watch for when I play again, along with "A Pirate I Was Meant to Be" in DeCava's hut and Elaine's comment about leaving her for three years.



    Never mind, I'm sure there are LOADS of people who are as curious as hell to find out what is to come in the final episode, and posting these links in as many places as possible is the best way to go about quenching their thirst for info on RotPG.

    Okay, thanks, I won't give it another thought.
  • edited November 2009
    Noogies death is mentioned when you talk to BugEye IN THE FINALasfnas bit of theas chapter, when yoursadsa sHIP is under attack by DeCava.

    Land of the DEAD and siprtaul insadult sword fightinasg, it snuouds rlleay good and interstnig.

    Can't wait to see it.
  • ConCon
    edited November 2009

    So what the magazine says is:
    "--(Guybrush) manages to shatter a cycle that he has been on since the very first MI game. It's basically turning point in his life. It will redefine everything you know about Monkey Island--"

    Well that does sound awful drastic, eh? Maybe there won't be a happy ending anymore, but then again it opens more possibilities.
    Btw,
    did anyone notice that Morgan's rowboat was gone when Guybrush was released? Who might have taken it?
  • edited November 2009
    Fury wrote: »
    Noogies death is mentioned when you talk to BugEye IN THE FINALasfnas bit of theas chapter, when yoursadsa sHIP is under attack by DeCava.
    I'm STILL waiting for
    Guybrush to meet up with everybody in the land of the dead, look around, ask "Hey, where's Noogie?", or something to that effect.
    And then we'd cut to an idyllic farm with Noogie prancing about. =p
    Btw,
    did anyone notice that Morgan's rowboat was gone when Guybrush was released? Who might have taken it?
    It wasn't taken, it was sunk. You can still click on its space and see that someone sabotaged it. Guybrush's guess is that it was the doing of poxed pirates.
  • ConCon
    edited November 2009
    Checked it, you're right. I had to go to the very edge to see it.
  • edited November 2009
    I'm just hoping that we'll see Manny, Glottis, and some brochures for their "tours." :)

    Although - maybe we'll see Santino and... Murray? That would be fantastic. I, for one, am hoping for at least one "braaaaains" joke.
  • edited November 2009
    Tallin wrote: »
    Okay, so after finishing chapter 4, I couldn't shake the feeling that we're going to do some sort of "Land of the Dead" thing at the start of Chap. 5. In fact, they could even do a fun Manny cameo if they get the rights from LucasArts. Anyway, I've counted five people who have apparently died so far in Tales. One is Guybrush, another is DeSinge. The other three are Noogie, Nipperkin and Morgan. Now, what if Guybrush has to put together a crew to get out of the "Land of the Dead." I realize this isn't really an original idea (someone may have even posted it here already), but MI is all about doing unoriginal things in creative new ways. What do you guys think? Am I completely out of it? Is it possible? Probable, even?

    I suppose we'll have to wait to find out, but it seemed like a good setup to me...



    Now what would be really funny is if we woke up on a slab in a mortuary and Mor...I mean, Murray came and greeted us...
    interesting thought. Well either that or the voodoo lady use's some spell to resurrect Guybrush. The hand must have some part in it.. the only living part of Guybrush left.
  • edited November 2009
    Con wrote: »
    So what the magazine says is:
    "--(Guybrush) manages to shatter a cycle that he has been on since the very first MI game. It's basically turning point in his life. It will redefine everything you know about Monkey Island--"

    Well that does sound awful drastic, eh? Maybe there won't be a happy ending anymore, but then again it opens more possibilities.
    I've been wondering about that, too. It does sound a bit end-of-MI2-ish. But the question is exactly what "cycle" they mean.

    As long as this "Land of the Undead" doesn't look like the place a certain Captain J. S. went to in the beginning of the third part of a certain film trilogy, this is gonna be interesting!
  • edited November 2009
    BeeKay84 wrote: »
    I've been wondering about that, too. It does sound a bit end-of-MI2-ish. But the question is exactly what "cycle" they mean.

    As long as this "Land of the Undead" doesn't look like the place a certain Captain J. S. went to in the beginning of the third part of a certain film trilogy, this is gonna be interesting!

    I think the "cycle" might be the fact that we've killed LeChuck about... oh, five, six times now? Maybe he'll finally just die.
  • edited November 2009
    Maxilyah wrote: »
    I think the "cycle" might be the fact that we've killed LeChuck about... oh, five, six times now? Maybe he'll finally just die.

    If that's the case, I hope it doesn't just copy harry potter with some horcrux-type quest.
  • edited November 2009
    Wait, you seriously think that...
    even AFTER he spent the entire game fighting, exploring, and adventuring across the Caribbean to cure her, after dying in her arms, after she was torn up so badly by his death to be sent into a vengeful rage, after she began her fight with a tribute to her dead husband, that in this series it made ANY dramatic sense for Guybrush to then...in the FINAL ACT...look at Morgan and run off to have a sexy pirate/privateer affair with her?


    I kinda agree. I mean, I was very much team Morgan after chapter 3 and through most of 4. But then there was that ending and Elaine threw out that "from Melee to Monkey and all the islands in between, my love." line and BAM I was team Elaine again. Though I'd really like to see Morgan have a happy ending of sorts. I'm not sure how they'd do it. I mean, she can't just fall in love with some other pirate in one chapter. It'd be really random and out of nowhere. her love for Guybrush was built up for so long.

    I don't know. I just really want chapter 5! I'm so excited! :)
  • edited November 2009
    I do not want LeChuck to just die... he is one of my favorites..
  • edited November 2009
    Maybe it means that they're planning to cap the entire series with episode 5. I mean, a year ago most of us thought we'd never in our lives get to play a fifth Monkey Island game, so why not make it into a grand finale while they can?
    Newly re-voodooed LeChuck becomes an evil pirate god. Newly dead Guybrush fights (or rather, walks, looks, and uses stuff) his way back from the land of the dead to challenge LeChuck. Perhaps only someone who has returned from the dead, as LeChuck has, can kill LeChuck once and for all (making Guybrush's death part of the Voodoo Lady's plan). So newly immortal Guybrush manages to finally defeat LeChuck for good, and then becomes Guybrush Threepwood, Mighty Pirate Godtm (it works just like the Screaming Narwhal...you knock the captain off, you become the new captain). Perhaps Elaine gets killed in the fight and then joins Guybrush in...wherever pirate gods hang out, doing whatever pirate gods do...where they both are gods, the true "power couple" of the pirate world.

    And newly resurrected Morgan, meanwhile, sails away to become Morgan LeFlay, Mighty Piratetm.

    The End(?)
  • edited November 2009
    My theory for the ending of chapter 5, is sorta like the ending of chapter 2... you have to collect items to make a sword + root beer bottle (like in the opening scene of ep 1) while being chased by lechuck.
  • edited November 2009
    I kinda agree. I mean, I was very much team Morgan after chapter 3 and through most of 4. But then there was that ending and Elaine threw out that "from Melee to Monkey and all the islands in between, my love." line and BAM I was team Elaine again. Though I'd really like to see Morgan have a happy ending of sorts. I'm not sure how they'd do it. I mean, she can't just fall in love with some other pirate in one chapter. It'd be really random and out of nowhere. her love for Guybrush was built up for so long.

    I don't know. I just really want chapter 5! I'm so excited! :)

    This.

    I don't know what to do, because I really want to see Guybrush with Morgan, but breaking up him and Elaine just doesn't seem right (or likely.) It kind of stinks, because either way there's going to be an aspect of the ending that'll leave me unsatisfied.

    Hopefully Chapter 5 will prove me undoubtedly wrong!
  • edited November 2009
    Anyone ever think of this, Winslow and Morgan? I can see it with Morgan "I doubt I'll find anyone, everyone is afraid that I'll slice them up. Winslow: "You know, you tying me up and knocking me about is what I like in a woman, tough girl" Winslow just seems like a great candidate because the guy has been through quite a bit in that "area", according to what he says. It also just seems ironically funny, the woman who loves beating on the guy is actually open to the idea. Winslow's a good guy too so he'd take good care of her. I think that would be a great way to conclude both Winslow's and Morgan's stories.
  • edited November 2009
    Anyone ever think of this, Winslow and Morgan? ... It also just seems ironically funny, the woman who loves beating on the guy is actually open to the idea. Winslow's a good guy too so he'd take good care of her. I think that would be a great way to conclude both Winslow's and Morgan's stories.

    I agree, and yes, it had occurred to me, briefly.
  • edited November 2009
    Don't be silly! LeChuck won't die! (for good)
  • edited November 2009
    I think LeChuck will be the very personification of pure evil itself in the final chapter. LeChuck was purely cruel and sadistic in the final scene, imagine an entire chapter. According to Nintendo power, De Singe and the pox are closed subjects and now the main threat is that the ultimate evil has become even more ultimate as a pirate god (the main villain) and horrible things will happen. Pretty obvious the Pirate God is LeChuck and will do quite a bit of horrible things. It's time for LeChuck to reach that pure evil pinnacle and Earl Boen will make that very possible, his laugh at the end of the last chapter gave off chills. No more "HAR HAR HAR".
  • edited November 2009
    no more "HAR HAR HAR".

    DEFINETLY.
    I like how LeChuck will finally DO SOMETHING.
  • edited November 2009
    Though I'd really like to see Morgan have a happy ending of sorts. I'm not sure how they'd do it. I mean, she can't just fall in love with some other pirate in one chapter. It'd be really random and out of nowhere. her love for Guybrush was built up for so long.

    It's easy. Have her hook up with Noogie, who has built up a considerable amount of muscles due to forced swimming courses during which he lost his nerdy touch.

    Or, perhaps a Doctor Who season four finale thing, where the hand grows a new Guybrush.
  • edited November 2009
    Masta23 wrote: »
    interesting thought. Well either that or the voodoo lady use's some spell to resurrect Guybrush. The hand must have some part in it.. the only living part of Guybrush left.

    Yeah we all know that all it took was LeChuck's Beard to bring him back to the living in "undead Zombie" form
  • edited November 2009
    Maxilyah wrote: »
    I think the "cycle" might be the fact that we've killed LeChuck about... oh, five, six times now? Maybe he'll finally just die.

    Yeah, We killed LeChuck and he keeps coming back through the same mechanism. Maybe Guybrush uses it and destroys it in the same process, this would mean next time LeChuck is defeated it is for good. but, Be not dismayed! Morgan LeFay is Primed and Ready to take over LeChuck's role as a Zombie Pirate Via "Ju JEs Sui" or whatever it was the doctor had. Then She can Chase Guybrush around trying to marry him.
  • edited November 2009
    I sooo hope we'll meet Santino!!!
  • edited November 2009
    Yeah, We killed LeChuck and he keeps coming back through the same mechanism. Maybe Guybrush uses it and destroys it in the same process, this would mean next time LeChuck is defeated it is for good. but, Be not dismayed! Morgan LeFay is Primed and Ready to take over LeChuck's role as a Zombie Pirate Via "Ju JEs Sui" or whatever it was the doctor had. Then She can Chase Guybrush around trying to marry him.

    Zombie Privateer!
  • edited November 2009
    "Ju JEs Sui"

    French:
    Jus de vie.

    English translation:
    Juice of life.
  • edited November 2009
    Tallin wrote: »
    French:
    Jus de vie.

    English translation:
    Juice of life.

    Hey, thanks for the translation. All i know is Au Jus Sandwiches, lol
  • edited November 2009
    Hey, thanks for the translation. All i know is Au Jus Sandwiches, lol

    No prob. It's hard to live in Canada without picking up some French. Might as well put it to good use.

    Also, it's an obvious allusion to "Eau de Vie" or "Water of Life," (Latin "Aqua Vitae") which has a ton of connections to various myths and legends, like the Fountain of Youth, the Sangreal, and the Philosopher Stone.
  • edited November 2009
    the voodoo lady and le chuck are really star crossed lovers who have been playing with voodoo and need a pure and innocent soul like guybrush to right the wrongs that they have been doing and get them back to normal.:D
  • edited November 2009
    Stop making assumptions for you might get dissapointed in the end. It's best to leave TellTale tell the Tale as they want it to be said and then we can all nag and bitch (sorry for the profoundy) why we did not like it :)
  • edited November 2009
    I DEMAND Grim Fandango references at the
    land of the dead
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