After the end - What's next? - SPOILERS for the season

edited December 2009 in Tales of Monkey Island
So, having finished the whole season, what do you will think comes next?

Was a second season set up by this series?

The final cutscene kind of set something up, with (spoiler warning just in case, as it is too early for everyone to have finished the game and don't want accidental spoiling to occur)
the Ghost Pirate Morgan working for the Voodo Lady', handing her what I supposed (being 2:30 AM in the morning the brain is kind of sleepy) is the essence of LeChuck in a jar, and her laughing in a typical evil fashion
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  • edited December 2009
    I really honestly couldn't say. It's obvious
    Lechuck will be brought back
    , but that can be expected. Other than that, theres still more to the
    Voodoo Lady
    , which has got me really intrigued.
  • edited December 2009
    I've just realized something.
    For a Pirate God, LeChuck was pretty easy to defeat. But what if he wasn't a Pirate God, and the true rise of the Pirate God has only just started in this season finale? What if the actual Pirate God, which has by now been created, will manifests himself in the next season? What if the Voodoo Lady turns out to be yet another Tia Dalma? Would Dinsey smell "sue"?
  • edited December 2009
    The last question you gave gary: Doubt it.
  • edited December 2009
    You know
    Disney
    is capable of anything.
  • edited December 2009
    Tales of
    Morgan
    Island :cool:
  • edited December 2009
    The ending set up a new season, which I suppose is good, but the ending does not wrap anything up. The last episode did not even explain what LeChuck was accusing the Voodoo lady of doing to him and Guybrush, aside from the vague accusation in the Fourth episode that she was 'controlling' their fates all along

    Maybe I just don't understand the plot because I'm an idiot, but that was one of the most inconclusive endings I have seen.
  • edited December 2009
    The ending set up a new season, which I suppose is good, but the ending does not wrap anything up. The last episode did not even explain what LeChuck was accusing the Voodoo lady of doing to him and Guybrush, aside from the vague accusation in the Fourth episode that she was 'controlling' their fates all along

    Maybe I just don't understand the plot because I'm an idiot, but that was one of the most inconclusive endings I have seen.

    I agree. It ended 'happily', in that Guybrush, Elaine, Morgan, Winslow etc are all happy, but it did leave that diary plot thread open. Maybe delibrately? With an ending so open, they are clearly hoping for a season 2 themselves.
  • edited December 2009
    The ending really miffed me. Where was all the fanfare? I just completed an entire series of games with no help...

    I reckon we'll be seeing more, this story aint finished.
  • edited December 2009
    I think the monkeys were underdone. There was a lot of intrigue about them for the whole season, and then they all just... sat there.
  • edited December 2009
    I posted this somewhere else on the board, but I guess this is probably the spot now that the season is over.

    In terms of content, it seems like the Voodoo lady will not let the fates of Guybrush and LeChuck be untangled. If I remember, Elaine even makes some comment about how they're free from her planning. The bonus scene seems to counter this, and LeChuck will certainly be back. Guybrush will once again defeat. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

    Regarding Morgan, I feel like she will play a secondary role at most if these "Tales" continue. She has sort of run her route. Her and Guybrush are friendly now, so the hunter/pirate dynamic is gone. Unlike LeChuck, she is not evil, and would make a poor villain anyway. Plus it seems unlikely that Elaine would like it very much.

    In terms of production, I think Telltale did a very nice job here. Even though these runs seem much more linear than the older games, they have certainly added their own spin and should continue to do so. In my opinion, TTG should work out some type of second party licensing deal with Lucasarts where the parent company (LA) invests even more money. I do notknow how their business plan works, but obviously with an investment from LA, TTG could certainly devote more hours and development to maybe a multiple hour, epic game. A full game actually- not episodes.

    Episodes are alright, but the huge nature of MI2 certainly had a different feel than these TTG games. I think most gamers here would agree.
  • edited December 2009
    Not each and every plot thread was wrapped up...but it was still a far more satisfying ending than any other MI sequel.

    (Disclaimer: I adore the ending of MI2, but by definition, a cliffhanger cannot be satisfying. :P )
  • edited December 2009
    There were minor nitpickings, but really, as the guy above said, this is the first MI sequel that hasn't totally messed up or bizzarrified the ending. It was satisfying and, if we have another ten year drought (or a permanent one), I'd be OK with that now.

    The cliffhanger at the end is interesting, but not overwhelmingly annoying if it never gets added onto.
  • edited December 2009
    jp-30 wrote: »
    I think the monkeys were underdone. There was a lot of intrigue about them for the whole season, and then they all just... sat there.


    I actually think this was a pretty smart move. Two many plot devices would have just thinned everything out in my opinion.

    I think Le Esponja Grande is a big enough macguffin anyway.
  • edited December 2009
    I think they left it the best way they could - closure with a hint of possibly more to come. I doubt we'll hear anything for a while yet mind.
  • edited December 2009
    No need to rush it, really. Part of what made TMI great was the anticipation.

    Besides, I expect LCR:SE will come out eventually. There's also that rumor of revealing the secret and an "announcement" in March. Monkey Island seems to be big business again.
  • edited December 2009
    Agreed. I think the earliest we'll see MI:6 will be in 2011 or 2012.
  • edited December 2009
    Actually, what's going to come next is really obvious:
    Sam and Max Season 3, FUCK YEAH.
  • edited December 2009
    Agreed. I think the earliest we'll see MI:6 will be in 2011 or 2012.
    What's really got me wondering about what the hell is planned is by the whole "secret" thing. That has to involve Ron Gilbert. I wonder if that means something like MI3a:SE, a special edition for the game that never happened and is not canonical, or maybe a prequel? Or perhaps Ron could shoehorn it into his own LA funded project, or maybe even work at Telltale for a second version of Tales?

    But before all that is LCR:SE. And I agree, 2011 or 2012 is the likely years if the bottom of the boat doesn't turn out to be glass for adventure games.
  • edited December 2009
    Sam and Max Season 3, FUCK YEAH.
    I concur.
  • edited December 2009
    Actually, what's going to come next is really obvious:
    Sam and Max Season 3, FUCK YEAH.
    I hope, just for you, it turns out to be Tales of the Tentacle. >_>
  • edited December 2009
    I thought that bit after the credits hinted Morgan could be the character you play in the next game. Which I wouldn't mind, she's interesting enough as a character.
  • edited December 2009
    PariahKing wrote: »
    I hope, just for you, it turns out to be Tales of the Tentacle. >_>
    Hm? Did you miss the Sam and Max 2010 site mention at the end of Episode 5? Did you miss that they have this big page up with concept art and a voice-over dropping hints at the new plot?

    Sam and Max fans have a reason to be excited. :)
  • edited December 2009
    Hm? Did you miss the Sam and Max 2010 site mention at the end of Episode 5? Did you miss that they have this big page up with concept art and a voice-over dropping hints at the new plot?

    Sam and Max fans have a reason to be excited. :)
    I am a Sam and Max "fan." I have all the games and the comic book. I am just not a huge Sam and Max fan.

    Besides, 2010 could be December 2010. >_>
  • edited December 2009
    Sam and Max fans have a reason to be excited. :)

    Sam & Max fans always have a reason to be excited, but mainly it because we're all like Max really! But the promo site has pushed my anticipatometer well beyond the red line!!
  • edited December 2009
    PariahKing wrote: »
    I am a Sam and Max "fan." I have all the games and the comic book. I am just not a huge Sam and Max fan.

    Besides, 2010 could be December 2010. >_>
    Sure, it COULD be, but it's just not a logical inference here. They wouldn't leapfrog their announcements. If they had something else coming up next in the pipeline, they wouldn't be announcing and doing pre-release hype for Sam and Max first. They'd hype the next thing to come out. And I really doubt that we'll go 12 months without a Telltale episodic release.
  • edited December 2009
    Sure, it COULD be, but it's just not a logical inference here. They wouldn't leapfrog their announcements. If they had something else coming up next in the pipeline, they wouldn't be announcing and doing pre-release hype for Sam and Max first. They'd hype the next thing to come out. And I really doubt that we'll go 12 months without a Telltale episodic release.
    What about Bone?

    ...

    OK, yeah, yeah.
  • edited December 2009
    Well I finished ToMI and I came out saying meh. I was hoping for a closure to the Monkey Island Series, which I guess this is about as good as its going to get. The only the thing that bugs me is this whole "Voodoo Lady is evil" thing. It just doesn't feel right to me.

    She has always helped and guided you and then out of no where in Chapter 4 she ends up being this evil all-knowing/controlling figure. It just doesn't feel right. Oh well, we will just have to see what comes to Monkey Island in the future.

    Side note: Herman Toothrot just got his status of being in every Monkey Island game dropped :P
  • edited December 2009
    Side note: Herman Toothrot just got his status of being in every Monkey Island game dropped :P

    Technically, he wasn't in the third game either. There was just a dynamonkelectric model of him there. :)
  • edited December 2009
    Technically, he wasn't in the third game either. There was just a dynamonkelectric model of him there. :)
    He's never been "there" for any of the games. At least, not all there.
  • edited December 2009
    Side note: Herman Toothrot just got his status of being in every Monkey Island game dropped :P

    There is no Herman. ;)
  • edited December 2009
    Ash735 wrote: »
    There is no Herman. ;)

    Only Zuul!
  • JakeJake Telltale Alumni
    edited December 2009
    Well I finished ToMI and I came out saying meh. I was hoping for a closure to the Monkey Island Series, which I guess this is about as good as its going to get. The only the thing that bugs me is this whole "Voodoo Lady is evil" thing. It just doesn't feel right to me.

    She has always helped and guided you and then out of no where in Chapter 4 she ends up being this evil all-knowing/controlling figure. It just doesn't feel right. Oh well, we will just have to see what comes to Monkey Island in the future.

    Side note: Herman Toothrot just got his status of being in every Monkey Island game dropped :P

    For what it's worth, for instance, in Monkey Island 2 you get to LeChucks evil fortress of evil voodoo torture by crawling into an outgoing shipping crate full of supplies being sent to him from the Voodoo Lady. I don't know if "the voodoo lady is evil!!" is the correct read, either. Everyone in MI has their own motivations, their own agendas, some simple and some complex, and I think the Voodoo Lady safely falls somewhere between purely benevolent or purely malevolent, or maybe not even on that particular scale at all.
  • edited December 2009
    Jake wrote: »
    For what it's worth, for instance, in Monkey Island 2 you get to LeChucks evil fortress of evil voodoo torture by crawling into an outgoing shipping crate full of supplies being sent to him from the Voodoo Lady. I don't know if "the voodoo lady is evil!!" is the correct read, either. Everyone in MI has their own motivations, their own agendas, some simple and some complex, and I think the Voodoo Lady safely falls somewhere between purely benevolent or purely malevolent, or maybe not even on that particular scale at all.

    I kinda figured that with LeChuck hating the Voodoo Lady so much, having her giving a bit of a menacingly predatorial laugh over his essence would just be bad news for him. Of course if she thinks the fates are to have her pop the cork and let him be beaten all over again, no worries, that just gives us another adventure right? Really, I'm just glad that Mo's coming back to the land of the living. I can't imagine her just appearing without having to awkwardly explain what had happened, but people saying the whole hunter/pirate thing couldn't be redone havn't thought about the whole jelous wife story, have they? (That newer Simpsons episode where the country singer who had the hots for Homer had to stay temporarily had a few funny moments of Marge gritting her teeth, didn't it?)
  • edited December 2009
    Too me it doesn't seem like an ending. Morgan is back and Elaine might just find this more annoying than Guybrush did LeChuck. At least Elaine originally seemed to dislike LeChuck. Guybrush likes Morgan. Worse in order to defeat LeChuck and the Voodoo Lady 'for good', Elaine has gambled her marriage, not realising the only reason she still has it is due to Morgan. Elaine and Guybrushes marriage is now at a crossroads, and one that could go either way. Elaine's paranoia over this gamble could make things worse when Morgan pops in.

    Of course Morgan turning up as a ghost might panic Guybrush at first.

    And the Voodoo Lady has the remains of Le-Chuck for some reason. I would say the ending seems to be more a cliffhanger than an ending.
  • edited December 2009
    TOMI season 2:

    chapter 1. voodoo lady tells guybrush what that voodoo machine in her hut does.
  • edited December 2009
    Jake wrote: »
    For what it's worth, for instance, in Monkey Island 2 you get to LeChucks evil fortress of evil voodoo torture by crawling into an outgoing shipping crate full of supplies being sent to him from the Voodoo Lady. I don't know if "the voodoo lady is evil!!" is the correct read, either. Everyone in MI has their own motivations, their own agendas, some simple and some complex, and I think the Voodoo Lady safely falls somewhere between purely benevolent or purely malevolent, or maybe not even on that particular scale at all.

    SMI - Maybe voodoo lady taught LeChuck how to get to Monkey Island, so that he can find the Secret and impress Elaine. LeChuck fell for it, went there and got himself killed. THEN, the Voodoo Lady helped him come back from the Land of the Dead, thus implying that she DOES meddle with other characters destinies. Maybe she needed a special reaction, voodoo-schmoodoo thing once LeCheck came back from the Land of the Dead, he refused to bring that thing to her, and voodoo lady sent Guybrush to destroy LeChuck, because it went out of control!

    ...i think
  • edited December 2009
    SMI - Maybe voodoo lady taught LeChuck how to get to Monkey Island, so that he can find the Secret and impress Elaine. LeChuck fell for it, went there and got himself killed. THEN, the Voodoo Lady helped him come back from the Land of the Dead, thus implying that she DOES meddle with other characters destinies. Maybe she needed a special reaction, voodoo-schmoodoo thing once LeCheck came back from the Land of the Dead, he refused to bring that thing to her, and voodoo lady sent Guybrush to destroy LeChuck, because it went out of control!

    ...i think

    Well, for that matter, it's entirely possible that this was the Voodoo Lady's endgame the entire time, she's spent the last 20 years building LeChuck up while preparing Guybrush to take him down in such a way as to reduce him to his jar-contained state. It could explain a few plot holes. For example, she needed Guybrush to learn to make an Ultimate Insult for the Cutless of Kaflu recipe, so she found one of the few people who still knew the recipe after the ban, set him up with a first mate who was her agent, and arranged for the drunken encounter with Ozzie Mandrill. The first mate waited until the Sea Monkey was in the whirlpool, konked Marley with his accordion, prepared the voodoo spell to get them both to Monkey Island, and falsified evidence on the ship in order to cover up what he and the Voodoo Lady had done. After some time on the island, he was unable to live with his betrayal and hung himself. Now Marley was out of the way on Monkey Island until Guybrush neded him and Ozzie was setting events in motion that would lead to Guybrush's discovery of the Ultimate Insult recipe. This would explain why Herman Toothrot's backstory doesn't match with H.T. Marley's in Escape, Toothrot's history was forged.
  • edited December 2009
    PariahKing wrote: »
    Besides, 2010 could be December 2010. >_>

    No, it'll just be 4 hours after most people are expecting it.
  • edited December 2009
    Jake wrote: »
    I'm passionate about Monkey Island!

    So, back when you were at Mojo, did you even dare to dream that one day you'll be actually working on a Monkey Island game?

    I'm sure no one asked you about that before...
  • edited December 2009
    The voodoo lady has never been good, nor do I think she is evil. I would say she's more like a true neutral (as in dungeons and dragons alignment stuff). What would seem logical to me is that the voodoo lady is power hungry. LeChuck had a lot of voodoo power, so his essence will be as well.

    As for her actions throughout the series. I would imagine it is just as it was. Guybrush was basically used as a tool to stop LeChuck from taking over. If she started the mess that is LeChuck or not, I don't really think it matters. But I'm leaning towards that probably being the case.

    I would guess that in the next season the voodoo lady might be the big bad for a while, until you discover she isn't evil and something/someone else is to blame. Most probably LeChuck of course.

    I wouldn't expect to ever hear a overarching explanation for why LeChuck and guybrush have to keep fighting. Such a plot line would certainly be the end of the series or at least the point at which it jumps the shark. :)
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