How can we get MORE M rated Wii video games?

edited February 2010 in General Chat
I am pretty sure that there are a few fellow Wii gamers on here. So I will ask each and every one of you this. Are u sick and tired of people bragging their lungs off about the Wii being a kids thing? I know I am...So I personally think there should be more M rated games for the Wii.

The only ones that I know are good are Madworld and No more Heroes. But the grinder looks like a fun FPS. So how can we get more M rated Wii video games?
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  • edited February 2010
    Techinically speaking, the wii is more for kids and familys, M rated games I am sure isnt kid friendly(come on kids it's time to stab people and hijack cars in the family friendly grand theft auto:D)
  • puzzleboxpuzzlebox Telltale Alumni
    edited February 2010
    Do you want more M-rated Wii games because you want to play games with a particular type of content / subject matter, or because you hope it would change the perception of the Wii being a "kids' thing"? From your post it appears to be the latter, which seems a little misguided to me.

    The lines between children's entertainment and adults' entertainment are very indistinct these days - for example, it's perfectly socially acceptable for an adult to see the Disney/Pixar movie "Up" without taking a child along too.

    In general, I wouldn't let my enjoyment of something be tarnished by other people saying it's not "adult" enough for my age group.
  • edited February 2010
    puzzlebox wrote: »
    Do you want more M-rated Wii games because you want to play games with a particular type of content / subject matter, or because you hope it would change the perception of the Wii being a "kids' thing"? From your post it appears to be the latter, which seems a little misguided to me.

    The lines between children's entertainment and adults' entertainment are very indistinct these days - for example, it's perfectly socially acceptable for an adult to see the Disney/Pixar movie "Up" without taking a child along too.

    In general, I wouldn't let my enjoyment of something be tarnished by other people saying it's not "adult" enough for my age group.


    That is true, I enjoy all types of games, a rating is just something for parents to help by their kids games, as for me. If I like the description of the game, I'll buy it no matter what the rating.
  • edited February 2010
    I wouldn't mind some M-rated games as long as they're actual good games with a reason to be M-rated and not there for the sake of trying to look more adult. I miss the good ol' days of N64 where we had fun things like Conker's Bad Fur Day.
  • nikasaurnikasaur Telltale Alumni
    edited February 2010
    I loved Conker, then I went to a level that was all fart noises and I was like "Whaaaaaaat"
  • edited February 2010
    nikasaur wrote: »
    I loved Conker, then I went to a level that was all fart noises and I was like "Whaaaaaaat"

    Oh, those were the days...I miss you Conker... That whole game is all like Wat?

    But it is still a classic in my opinion.
  • edited February 2010
    I think what the Wii needs is more quality games in general.

    My wii hasn't been turned on in over a year. =[
  • edited February 2010
    nikasaur wrote: »
    I loved Conker, then I went to a level that was all fart noises and I was like "Whaaaaaaat"

    I was 12 at the time I played it (please don't arrest me) so I guess I was more immune to bad potty humor. Worth it for the Sloprano chapter though!
  • edited February 2010
    Most 'mature' games these days are more childish than so-called 'kids' games.

    A good game is a good game regardless of what rating it gets, and the Wii needs more good games.
  • edited February 2010
    Darkblader wrote: »
    So how can we get more M rated Wii video games?

    Simple, get people to buy them. Though I believe that this boat has sailed for the Wii, with games such as No more heroes, Mad world, et al selling very few copies, therefore the likelihood of similar style games is quite low. At this point in the current generation the consoles identities have been cemented, with the 360 and the PS3 being the go to consoles for M rated games, and the Wii has a much larger casual audience.
  • edited February 2010
    The Wii needs more games that are worth playing.

    The problem is that shovelware sells so well on the system. It's really the main 3rd party draw. If you aren't published by Nintendo, aiming for the "Hardcore Gamer" market isn't going to work on the Wii unless you're also launching on both of the other consoles. And then, of course, you aren't FOCUSING on the Wii, and the Wii really requires conscious development to make something amazing for the system.

    I love some Wii games, but they're so few and far between, and whenever I look into them later, they have always sold poorly.
  • edited February 2010
    You want more M rated Wii games? Then people need to buy them. Madworld and House of the Dead: Overkill didn't sell that well, meaning there's little impetus to keep making more.

    Look at it from a publisher's point of view. You can either make a cheap and nasty minigame collection, or spend more money and time on making a proper adult game. But in the end, they're both gonna sell about the same amount. Which would you do?
  • edited February 2010
    ^

    What he said.

    Cursed Mountain just came out and... the developer goes under. :(




    http://www.wiiaredeep.com/deep.html
  • edited February 2010
    Maybe if something.... unfortunate was to happen to Michael Atkinson.....

    And jp, half of those games were god awful. Elebits? Shaun White Snowboarding? If that's the best the Wii has to offer, it's pretty piss poor.

    I've got like 18 Wii games (most are my brothers) and I can honestly say I own every good game currently out on the console. I have 23 PS3 games and I can easily say that theres a good 80+ more good titles out currently, and March is gonna be a kickass month for releases.
  • edited February 2010
    Umm. Congratulations?
  • edited February 2010
    The question is why would you want to =p

    The Wii IS marketed more towards kids, along with casual gamers, old people and "parents."
    The sheer lack of power is always a step back for developing (for example) FPS games.
    I've also been hearing how bad it's controls are, which I suppose sounds reasonable now that the gimmick's worn off. But then, this is another drawback if you want "mature" games in the sense of action titles; I'm an FPS buff and poor controls is the first thing that will make you chuck your monitor out the window, let alone a completely new system that also lags not from latency but from your input device itself.

    The bigger question is why you'd want it. Is it because it's the only system you have, and you're getting bored? Maybe it's because you don't want the console to be seen as a kids toy for some reason?
    If you're really in the market for more mature games, whether it's content or gameplay, pick up another console.

    Of course, nothing beats good old PC.
  • edited February 2010
    The problem is that shovelware sells so well on the system.

    Actually, it doesn't, other than a few exceptions. Look at EA, they supported the Wii heavily in the past year; however lost a F***ton of money, thus continued support is unlikely. Finally on the Wii, only first party games sell exceptionally.
  • edited February 2010
    Meh, I've never cared much for M-rated games, so the Wii is perfect for me. It's all about personal preferences. If you find that the Wii doesn't offer you enough of what you want, you may want to switch to another platform.
  • edited February 2010
    Haggis wrote: »
    It's all about personal preferences. If you find that the Wii doesn't offer you enough of what you want, you may want to switch to another platform.

    I agree with you. If it doesn't have the the games you want, and personaly ratings shouldn't mean anything to a seasoned gamer, it should be about what you would find fun in a game or what looks like a good game not the rating of it.

    If you do want M rated game only then switch to the X-box or PS3.
  • edited February 2010
    I am fairly new to the Wii since I've had it for less than a year, so I still need to play the good releases like Super Mario Galaxy, but I do also wish they'd get to releasing more games. All I'm interested in right now is No More Heroes 2, (which is M-rated btw) and when I had the Gamecube I was excited for multiple games like, every month, so this just doesn't do. Super Smash Bros. Brawl is pretty much the only Wii game I still play. :T

    I think all systems have their heap of bad game releases, fair amount of good/okay releases, and few amounts of awesome releases, but I've gone "man I really need a PS3" more times in the past few months than I've been "man I really need [Wii game]." I hope they mean what they said and step it up for E3 this year, but then again the last time they got my hopes up it was a measly Wii Music announcement, so hell.
  • edited February 2010
    I agree that the Wii doesn't have a lot of great games. A lot of the games seem more like mini-games to me and that's just not what I'm interested in.
    It's a shame, I think the system has potential.

    The DS has that problem to a lesser extent. A huge amount of the DS "games" are not games at all, but at least there is a fair amount of good games released for it, too.
  • edited February 2010
    I've actually got a fair number of Wii and DS games, but again, I guess I'm just more into those games. Just like I'm not really interested in most of the 360 and PS3 releases. What I wish is that they'd released Another Code: A Journey Into Lost Memories in North America, and I really wish they'd announce a North American release date for Last Window. Trace Memory wasn't the best game in the world, but I enjoyed it, and Hotel Dusk I really loved. Even with all the Japaneseness, it still managed to have some of the feel of a Perry Mason novel, the dialog and animations were beautifully executed and they really utilized the DS very well with the whole "book" format.
  • edited February 2010
    nikasaur wrote: »
    I loved Conker, then I went to a level that was all fart noises and I was like "Whaaaaaaat"

    Gotta love the singing poo though

    And if you want more M rated Wii games everyone'd best run out and buy 2 copies of The Conduit and Madworld, only Sega were really doing the mature offerings and they didn't ship that many units unfortunately so they're backing off on it
  • edited February 2010
    You want hardcore wii games? Like, hardcore enough to be up there with the original Ninja Gaiden? I now direct your attention to Sin and Punishment 2. I have never been this excited to have my arse handed to me on a platter.
  • edited February 2010
    You want hardcore wii games? Like, hardcore enough to be up there with the original Ninja Gaiden? I now direct your attention to Sin and Punishment 2. I have never been this excited to have my arse handed to me on a platter.
    You want a list? Ho-kay...

    Dead Rising: Chop 'til You Drop
    Dead Space: Extraction
    GHOST Squad (questionable, but worth mentioning)
    Madworld
    Metroid Prime 3/Trilogy (also questionable, but worth mentioning)
    No More Heroes
    No More Heroes 2: Desperate Struggle
    Resident Evil Archives: RE Zero (straight-up port of GC release, but still counts)
    Resident Evil Archives: RE (same as REZero)
    Resident Evil: The Darkside Chronicles
    Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles
    Resident Evil 4
    Sin & Punishment 2 (not actually out yet!)
    The House of the Dead 2 + 3
    The House of the Dead: Overkill

    ...I'm sure there's more, but that'll do you for now.
  • edited February 2010
    That list is half ports with a healthy dose of rail shooters that didn't sell any copies. A few of those titles are out of print, most notably Metroid Prime Trilogy.
  • edited February 2010
    I know they're half ports. It's still a valid list of mature games for the Wii.
  • edited February 2010
    I know they're half ports. It's still a valid list of mature games for the Wii.
    This list is likely a good deal more comprehensive. The ESRB lists 39 titles with the "M" rating on the Wii.

    Just for the sake of comparison, they list 145 games with the "M" rating on the PS3, and 189 titles with the "M" rating on the 360. Oh, and Metroid Prime Trilogy is "T", unless you're using "Mature" in a general sense rather than to refer to the ESRB rating. Which is somewhat confusing.
  • edited February 2010
    Yeah, that is a better list. I'd forgotten half of those existed.

    And I don't actually own MPT, so wasn't sure what rating it was. I admit to being wrong on that.
  • edited February 2010
    I don't want any M-rated games frankly. The sign of a real mature gamer isn't someone who only buys games with hundreds of swear words, gore and nudity in it, someone who doesn't pay attention to the rating. I think games are much better without those things. Take Okami. A real mature game, enjoyed by all ages, and having refferences for the more mature audiences ("i hate to see you ad the twins upset" (reffering to the high priests busm)). Would any of TTG's franchise be much better with all that (blood, gore, swears etc) stuff added in? Frankly, i think it would kill the atmosphere.
  • edited February 2010
    To go along with what some other people said before, games should be made based on what makes the game fun and worth playing rather than just throwing stuff in so that a certain rating can be reached.

    There are plenty fun games that are E-T rated and plenty stupid games that should never have seen the light of day that are rated M, and vice versa.

    In short, a game's rating doesn't determine whether or not it's worth playing.
  • edited February 2010
    Friar wrote: »
    I don't want any M-rated games frankly. The sign of a real mature gamer isn't someone who only buys games with hundreds of swear words, gore and nudity in it, someone who doesn't pay attention to the rating. I think games are much better without those things. Take Okami. A real mature game, enjoyed by all ages, and having refferences for the more mature audiences ("i hate to see you ad the twins upset" (reffering to the high priests busm)). Would any of TTG's franchise be much better with all that (blood, gore, swears etc) stuff added in? Frankly, i think it would kill the atmosphere.

    It's all relative, Monkey Island doesn't need gore and swearing, but in other games it's used to good effect, thakfully games come in all shapes and sizes to suit everyone's taste
  • edited February 2010
    JedExodus wrote: »
    It's all relative, Monkey Island doesn't need gore and swearing, but in other games it's used to good effect, thakfully games come in all shapes and sizes to suit everyone's taste

    I know. Thats what i liked about nintendo consoles. Maybe it's just me, but i find it really uncomfortable playing swear-filled "adult" games (GTA for example, HOTD:OK for another)
  • edited February 2010
    In my opinion, the need for M-rated games can go up the pooper. I don't give a crap about them. I only care for good games, which the Wii actually has an abundance of. I don't even need to list them.

    The problem people have is the fact that people are narrow-minded. Good games aren't games for matures, or even for teens. Good games are games that are good, that's all. The Wii already had a good share of such games. Sure, half of the good games are ports, but who cares? A good game is a good game. If Tatsunoko vs. Capcom is a good indication, that's a fighting game, and a good one at that. People stating otherwise aren't real gamers.
  • edited February 2010
    The Wii needs more Wii games, not games ported to the Wii. PS3 and XBOX have more buttons on the controller, so games that are ported to the Wii either:

    A) Have some buttons replaced by poorly-done motion controls
    B) Have the actions that would need the extra buttons removed altogether.

    Basically, Ports don't work on the Wii.
  • edited February 2010
    GaryCXJk wrote: »
    Capcom is a good indication, that's a fighting game, and a good one at that. People stating otherwise aren't real gamers.
    There are certain subjects you can't cover in a T-rated title, some atmospheres that can't fit properly under the umbrella, things that just feel watered down if you go and try to shove it into the rating.

    The ESRB rating isn't an indication of quality, but it is an indication of what developers and publishers think of the audience. While M games are split between games that are meant for adults and games meant for juveniles and frat types, a library consisting of an overwhelming majority of E-T rated games is an indication that the publishers think of the device as a "family system". They aren't going to take it seriously. And when they don't take the audience seriously, and the audience treats it more like a toy than anything else, you end up with the Wii's library of software toys.
  • edited February 2010
    Darkblader wrote: »
    So how can we get more M rated Wii video games?

    Make some. Or pay people to make some. Or wait until people make some. There really isn't an easy answer for this. It's not like you can write a letter to Nintendo and ask them to make some. It's not about what we can do, but it's more about the market.

    Plus, if you really want M rated games, why not get the Xbox 360, PS3 or PC? The Wii is already designed for more unique games to played by whole families in their living rooms. It's already good without having more M rated games, which are more of the other consoles' specialty.

    So if you're tired of people saying that the Wii is a kid's thing, tell them that being different is not childish.
  • edited February 2010
    tredlow wrote: »
    Make some. Or pay people to make some. Or wait until people make some. There really isn't an easy answer for this. It's not like you can write a letter to Nintendo and ask them to make some. It's not about what we can do, but it's more about the market.

    Plus, if you really want M rated games, why not get the Xbox 360, PS3 or PC? The Wii is already designed for more unique games to played by whole families in their living rooms. It's already good without having more M rated games, which are more of the other consoles' specialty.

    So if you're tired of people saying that the Wii is a kid's thing, tell them that being different is not childish.

    This. All(most) gamers started of at a reasonably young age, with games that didn't have a mature rating. Take Zelda:OoT. It's the most critically acclaimed game ever released, and was able to be enjoyed by both young and old alike. I enjoyed it as much when i was 7/8, simply running round, exploring, as most people (myself included) do now, doing dungeons. Nintendo consoles are the perfect breeding ground for these sorts of games. They would get ignored by the "core gamer" if said systems were full of M rated games like the 360/PS3. If you want more Mature games, then maybe it's time to move on, leaving part of your childhood behind. For me, nostalgia plays a big part of my gaming experiance these days. I rarely buy new games, afterall, i have a back catalogue of nearly 12 years worth to play!
  • edited February 2010
    There are certain subjects you can't cover in a T-rated title, some atmospheres that can't fit properly under the umbrella, things that just feel watered down if you go and try to shove it into the rating.

    The ESRB rating isn't an indication of quality, but it is an indication of what developers and publishers think of the audience. While M games are split between games that are meant for adults and games meant for juveniles and frat types, a library consisting of an overwhelming majority of E-T rated games is an indication that the publishers think of the device as a "family system". They aren't going to take it seriously. And when they don't take the audience seriously, and the audience treats it more like a toy than anything else, you end up with the Wii's library of software toys.

    Considering "The Night of the Iguana" uncut warrants an American TV-14 rating, and "Black Narcissus" uncut is currently rated PG in the UK, I think it is very much possible to tackle sophisticated and "adult" subjects without watering or dumbing down its content or needing to be rated M for Mature.

    To say that publishers will dismiss a "family system" as only suitable for "software toys" is not only a gross oversimplification of the video game industry, but is also a rationalization that supports the lower quality "family" entertainment available nowadays. There is no reason a film, book or game can not tackle serious and complicated issues and at the same time be appropriate viewing for people over the age of 13.
  • edited February 2010
    Lena_P wrote: »
    To say that publishers will dismiss a "family system" as only suitable for "software toys" is not only a gross oversimplification of the video game industry, but is also a rationalization that supports the lower quality "family" entertainment available nowadays. There is no reason a film, book or game can not tackle serious and complicated issues and at the same time be appropriate viewing for people over the age of 13.

    I think it just seems to be that outside of Nintendo titles no one title sells particularly strongly on the Wii, I saw games like Broken Sword and Another Code R trailing the bottom of the charts, as well as offerings like the high-budget Conduit and Madworld selling weakly. There just doesn't seem to be a big audience for it, as a Wii owner I hate to admit it, but at least there's some good games coming out this year. No More Heroes 2, Red Steel 2 (actually this one could be cack) Metroid: Other M, Mario Galaxy 2 and fingers crossed, that new Zelda game. So it's not all doom and gloom on the Wii. Chin up folks :)
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