I prefer long anime. I like to have a story I can invest some time in, instead of meeting the characters just as quickly as I say goodbye. In Tengen Toppa Gurren Langan, I could have spent 20 more episodes just of adventures in the desert. I felt the show would have been better if it was longer; it was too short. Not that my opinion amounts to a pile of bullshit in the long run; I guess I just have to urge to throw it out there.
I prefer long anime. I like to have a story I can invest some time in, instead of meeting the characters just as quickly as I say goodbye. In Tengen Toppa Gurren Langan, I could have spent 20 more episodes just of adventures in the desert. I felt the show would have been better if it was longer; it was too short. Not that my opinion amounts to a pile of bullshit in the long run; I guess I just have to urge to throw it out there.
I'm not against long series on principle, but I believe that when you make up things as you go, the longest the worst. When it's short at least you use everything you planned (as you'd have a basic idea of what's going to happen when you start a story) and wouldn't have as much time to add things that are just there for it to be longer.
I guess my point is that I prefer things that happen for a reason, according to a plan, and not just so the story can be longer, if I'm making sense. When I rewatch an early episode, I want to think "oh, wow, that's what they were setting up!", not "hey, that thing was never mentioned again afterwards!"
See what I mean?
Also I think that while stories can be great and allow you to invest yourself more when they're longer, too many people think that because it's long, things don't matter as much. The way I see it, in a book for instance, every word matters, whether it's a short story or an epic novel. But people who write an epic novel often thing it's not such a big deal if the last 100 words did nothing at all, since it's a small percent, while in a short story it makes a bigger difference so the author will chose the right words more often.
Think about an apartment. If it's very small, you have to make a good use of the space. It might be a bit too small but at least it's efficient. If it's big, you might lose track of that and just fill it with junk. While it doesn't always happen, it might happen often enough that you decide to stop visiting friends with huge places because their places are a horrible mess and you keep getting lost.
Unless the show is supposed to be sporadic adventures, I have a very low tolerance for filler.
Yeah, stuff without a ongoing plot can be nice if that's the point. Like Calvin and Hobbes and Far Side, I wouldn't expect it to be all tied as one consistent storyline.
I'll defend One Piece because for some reason keep me reading it since two years ago and just once I felt this was bad. But, anyway, I also understand why people don't want to read it either, so, whathever.
To be fair, I'm waiting for the resolution of Billy Bat and Bakuman ^^!
I watched some episodes of One Piece (in japanese) and as far as animes go it was pretty good. I think besides that I've only ever enjoyed Cowboy Bebop, where even the dub was pretty good. I was introduced to Shin-Chan and Bobobo back in Spain, and the spanish versions made me laugh to death but some reason I can't tolerate the english versions.
One of my favorite Japanese animations is Dead Leaves. It's just so crazy and the style is so awesome I can't help but love it. Despite the slow pacing, Tokyo Godfathers was a fun movie too. I like almost everything from Studio Ghibli, by the way.
The thing about Japanese animation is that here in the States, despite that we have a few adult cartoons, animation is still largely considered as a thing for children, or at least for comedy. We never really see a real reason to create varied genres for it, since we supposedly have exceptional live action. I've only heard this from some foreigners in Japan so I can't really say it's a fact, but supposedly animation over there is considered convenient because of the lack of diverse actors in Japan, thus it's seen as a good way to tell any sort of story.
Of course, I always thought the market for anime was atrocious. Basically there is no supply and demand in Japan and they have a very precise way of conducting business, which explains why anime is so expensive in the States AND over there and also why so much garbage is produced. I guess just kind of search on it. Since the anime market has been plummeting recently, you should be able to find some info about why.
The guy is making lots of money though, right? I have no idea how much individual artists get for their work if they get really popular, or if the publisher gets most of it.
It really was better as a one-shot. And it wasn't even that bad at first(as a comic, the animated version is pretty much uniformly horrible for a lot of reasons).
By the way, to be completely sure everyone knows what I mean by "at first", I mean I stopped somewhere within the Chunin Exam arc. I sampled bits from the later parts of the series because I've had people demand that I do so, and...it gets pretty bad.
You stopped waaaaayyy to early. Although to your defense i believe thats enough time to capture the reader or viewer, its kinda dissapointing that you at the most climactic moment quitted. Maybe you werent into it, or werent following the story.
Also about my taste in anime, that your opinion and i could care less, but i believe im getting more than my time worth it watching it. I enjoy One Piece themes and storyline very much so. It is the little stories of each arc that really cought me. The mangaka who writes One Piece touches deep topics and shows how bonds develop as well as is able to cover all the central characters. (I dont read the manga) I mainly focus on the story and never even though of how bad an anime was, that is until i got into hiddenleaf.com and haters over there started criticizing it, and with all that i believe they are kinda OCD about it.
Also i believe my taste is good and average as the millions of people who follow one piece and naruto. They are the top manga/anime shows with sales being the top 2 spots, and thats an undeniable fact.
Mangaka don't tend to just make it up as they go, they plan it out over the long run. Hiromu Arakawa, the mangaka of Fullmetal Alchemist, had the ending planned years ago when the first anime came out, and requested that BONES change the ending so that it wouldn't be the same as hers. Eiichiro Oda, mangaka of One Piece, also tends to plan out his stories over the long run, and everything in his arcs happen for a reason. Sure he does tend to reuse his formula, but I like what he does with it, so what can I say. It's mindless fun that hearkens back to a time when people didn't pick everything apart. A manga where ordinary people can lift buildings and trees isn't going to fly with some people, haha. He pushes his filler into short one panel pages that make up the chapter openings, that are there for fun and don't really add anything to the story. Although sometimes things that happen on those pages come back later, but reading those pages is never required. So yes, he DOES think all that crap up, he doesn't just throw it together. In fact it's so well planned that he even leaves easter eggs in certain panels strewn all over his manga for his fans to find.
Anime, on the other hand, is constantly guilty of filler. Take Inuyasha. On second thought, don't take Inuyasha, they can keep it.
Oh, I'm sure the artists, when they start a story, have some idea where they want it to go, and as they write it they have more ideas and obviously they don't decide for each page what they'll do right this second.
But due to the fact that they can't predict at all how many pages/chapters they'll have to produce, and don't get to decide it, they can't control the pacing completely, and they end up adding stories because their publisher asked them to put something before the big serious plot storyline they had planned, or the publisher suddenly tells them "okay, you've got to wrap it up, we're canceling the series" and they can't tie loose ends.
I'm a big believer of letting the author decide of stuff like that. And also have consistent authors, I tend to dislike TV shows where every episode had a completely different crew and they don't talk together, so you end up having episodes contradicting each other and stuff.
Anyway, I tend to prefer things that have an end in mind. Not just "in the end, this will happen", but some outline too with what happens in the meantime, so that they know if the story will take them more like 2 years or like 10 to draw. Because I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't write the same first chapter in the two situations.
I love a lot of animated shows but when it comes to the quality of the animation itself, along with the timing and stuff, I have to go with all the classic ones. Chuck Jones' Looney Tunes shorts and the Hanna-Barbera Tom & Jerry's. I'm an animation student myself and the oldies are still the best on all fronts.
Chuck Jones was a genius. Love all his WB stuff, even the not so popular stuff too.
I guess I can say I've been watching a lot of Glen Martin DDS considering I'm working on that show right now, as a compositing intern at Cuppa Coffee. It's an odd show that tries to be funny, but I must admit, there are rare instances which I laugh at it's "offbeat humour"
I'm super psyched for TS3 coming out soon, that looks to be really fun, and following Lee Unkrich's twitter account, it looks to be a lot of fun to make too. One day Pixar... one day.
Anyways, since you're all on the topic of anime. I must say I greatly admire Miyazaki, and am saddened the man is retiring from animation. However, looking at his storyboard sketches and designs for his films, he's left pure gold in his legacy. I'm not up on anime series, although I have a basic understanding how some anime tv series are structured. I enjoy the concept of having an underlying finite story to numerous episodes, as that way you can explore more creative avenues that build character/story/pacing rather than the old American "jumping the shark" sort of style. I'm curious to know which TV anime I should "attempt". As they all seem too similar without an inside opinion.
I've taken notice of some French cartoons here in Canada, and I am really impressed with most of them. I can't recall the names of them, but there is one where a mouse is a detective and their style of backgrounds were phenomenal. I'll have to research these shows soon...
Oh hi. I've watched more animation or cartoons than the average person without a doubt. In fact it is almost sad and borders upon obsession, but, it's just what entertains me more often than whatever else happens to be on at the moment. Not a coocoo crazy anime otaku though, however I enjoy anime from time to time.
I would list shows that I like, but I did this in fact on another msg board once long ago and it just went on for paragraphs so I don't wanna spam up this thread plus I just don't have the energy right now.
So anyways ya maybe I'll go back and read the replies [just read OP] and talk about animation some more back for now my neck and shoulders are killing me from reaching over to the laptob keyboard from my bed.... Maybe I shoud, get my usb keyboard...
The only anime I regularly watch anymore are Naruto and Bleach. But I was a big fan of Dragonball Z, FMA, Hikaru no Go, and Utena.
Other than that, I don't watch many cartoons on TV right now, other than the occasional Simpsons or Family Guy. But I have an extensive collection of cartoons from the 80's and 90's on DVD. They just don't make cartoons like they used to...
They just don't make cartoons like they used to...
Agreed. The only modern cartoons I like nowadays are Misadventures of Flapjack, Spongebob, Chowder, Family Guy [sigh], American Dad [actually grew on my quite a bit], Futurama, King of the Hill, South Park, and Simpsons... although I KNOW I'm forgetting at least one or two... Hmmm well Space Ghost was good of course though they don't show it anymore [hurray for DVDs] (oops SG is 90's that's right, 'cept for last season which is what I'm watching right now, why I got confused... no one will read this..)
I kinda like the wizard in 'Ugly Americans' too, but just the wizard, that's it.
And well I'm just gonna stop myself now because see I'm starting to make those lists that go on and on forever... Yess... must.. stop.... even . if it means.... leaving stuff out....
Home Movies was good too, John Benjamin rocks.... k I stop now my neck hurts.
Code Monkeys was alright too but then it got stupid.
There was ONE episode of the Spaceballs cartoon that was good, also.
Oh and don't get me started on 80's and 90's I'll just flood the whole thread with one long paragraph...
As for anime my main favs are Ninja Scroll [movie], FLCL, Ghost in the Shell [original movie, series was good too] and DragonBall, I guess DragonBallZ as well.... I have to leave a bunch out cause like I said I'll just go on and on.
Oh and 'Perfect Blue' and of course Akira... k stopping now almost for sure now. Oh yeah Spirited Away. ok done... but I can't leave out Cowboy Bebop! Thanks to the person below me.
see I have trouble stopping when I get going on these things.... Probably a good sign that I'm on the right carrer path, I just need to stick with it and hope I get through school succesfully...
The only anime I regularly watch anymore are Naruto and Bleach. But I was a big fan of Dragonball Z, FMA, Hikaru no Go, and Utena.
I really liked Hikaru no Go, but it just wasn't the same after
Sai disappeared
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When I moved from France I sold all the books and DVDs I had (I mean the Hikaru no Go ones. Not 100% of all of my books and DVDs. I kept maybe 10% of my books and 20% of my DVDs, without their cases). It was a bit sad but hey, there is only so much stuff you can pack in 2 suitcases apiece, right?
I think I mostly got over it.
*sobs*
I have a hard time getting into super long anime/manga like Naruto and One Piece, mainly because I just don't want to watch hundreds of episodes to get everything, especially when a good chunk of it is filler. I hate filler so much, especially when it's actual important plot points that just get dragged on and on and on for episodes. I try not to get into any anime series unless it's already ended or it's very clearly going to end and not end up being hundreds of episodes long. I made that mistake with Bleach.
My favorite anime is FLCL, though, which clocks in at a whopping 6 episodes.
Off the topic of anime, has anyone here seen the Secret of Kells? I first heard about it when it was nominated for an Academy Award, and I heard it was released in theaters but I never saw it playing anywhere near me. I've been dying to see it because it looks extremely cool.
I used to like FLCL but I went back and watched it recently and was shocked at how annoyed I was by all of the characters. I found myself only watching the episode so I could hear "Little Busters" at the end.
And yeah Ghost in the Shell is great, but a lot of people don't like it either because of the movie's excessive nudity (which isn't even sexual in any way), or because of the series excessive political jargon. But hey, I can follow it with no problem, so I don't get what people moan so much about. Motoko is one of my favorite anime protagonists of all time. She's badass.
On another note, what is the general opinion of Don Bluth's work? I'm not talking his later stuff like Rock - A - Doodle, I'm talking about The Land Before Time, An American Tail, The Small One, and The Secret of NIMH. And maybe Anastasia and Titan A.E. too. I know a lot of people hated Titan A.E., but I didn't. It was enjoyable enough. I haven't seen Anastasia or The Land Before Time yet, but from watching An American Tail and The Secret of NIMH, I like Bluth's original work more than Disney's (I haven't seen much Disney either). An American Tail and AAT: Feivel Goes West are my favorite movies of all time, but I know a lot of people don't like them and call them too depressing. I think they're brilliant.
Similarly I've been told to watch some movies similar to these called Cat City and Cat City 2.
And finally, I recently saw a Disney movie called the Aristocats, which was quite a fun movie that I really liked, and it gave me a new favorite character, who happens to have a really really long name.
A new episode of Tatami Galaxy came out this week that I really, really loved. I find it amazing how much forward momentum they can put into a show that resets its timeline before each end credits sequence.
Speaking of Bluth, I love The Small One, Land Before Time, All Dogs go to Heaven, and American Tail, the rest of his stuff is either "meh", "bad", or in that weird "I know it does a lot of stuff wrong, but I still like it for some reason" territory. I particularly didn't like Fieval Goes West, absolutely hated it, it felt a lot less sincere and frivolous.
Hikaru no Go was fun for awhile, and I stayed with it longer than I did with other manga series. I liked it probably because I love games of strategy and the atmosphere was just so much different than it is in a lot of shonen. I didn't LOVE the series, it didn't affect me strongly or anything, but I still thought it was fun enough. I just lost interest or it lost steam, and I stopped reading.
I particularly didn't like Fieval Goes West, absolutely hated it, it felt a lot less sincere and frivolous.
Actually I do agree with you on this, but the frivolity is part of why I like it. I see it as a comedy adventure movie, and I'm a complete sucker for those kind of movies. Now if you REALLY want to see a bad Bluth sequel, try watching The Secret of NIMH 2. I watched the whole movie through, and I swear, I was cringing so hard I thought my brain would ooze from my eye sockets. I could barely resist the urge to fast forward; it's the worst movie I've ever seen in my life. Ever. It is worse than Plan 9 From Outer Space or Baby Geniuses 2 or Spy Kids 3D. Every single thing about it was bad in every conceivable way. Just thinking about it makes me shudder.
The biggest difference between Plan 9 From Outer Space and the Secret of NIMH 2 is that you can watch Plan 9 and laugh at its terribleness and stupidity, but NIMH 2 makes you want to claw at your face and scream uncontrollably in pure horror.
I don't know why Secret of NIMH never really grabbed me the same way it does many other people, but it just didn't. I was just kind of bored through the whole thing, and I knew I wasn't supposed to and I could logically see things that were obviously well done, but I just didn't develop an interest in the film as I was watching for some reason.
Again, I can understand that. I like the movie and its in my favorites but it's not quite as good as An American Tail. I think what people like about it is the story of a mother's love, plus the whole science vs. supernatural theme, as well as the stunning visuals. The setting itself was kind of a boring setting, but Bluth took that homely normal place and made it larger than life. And the music was good. I can definitely see how it might not grab you though. For one you have to care about the characters and what's happening to them, and I don't think the Brisbys or the rats are unique enough now to appeal to everyone.
I've never been a huge Bluth fan, I liked the first two American Tail movies, (Eric Idle being a big factor in liking the second one) Anastasia was okay and I liked the Land Before Time. I hate Secret of Nimh, but that's because I grew up reading the book it's based on and didn't see the movie until I was 19. Might have a different opinion if I'd seen it at a younger age. I've liked more Dreamworks stuff than Bluth, but Disney probably makes up at least 70% of the animated movies I like. Mostly their more recent stuff from the 80s to 00s, but I like a lot of their earlier movies too. Except for Snow White and Pinnochio, I never liked those ones, even as a child.
As far as anime goes, my favourite series is Lupin III, no contest. The best thing about it is that a lot of it consists of standalone movies, you can watch any of them in any order without getting confused about what's going on. Well, except for some of the earlier ones like Secret of Mamo and Gold of Babylon, because those ones are just weird. I like a lot of Ghibli movies as well, my favourite is Princess Mononoke but Spirited Away is a pretty close second.
I don't tend to follow a lot of animated series, mainly because I don't have the patience to sit through more than a few episodes. The only shows I own a lot of on DVD are Futurama, Family Guy, South Park, Batman: The Animated Series and Samurai Jack. I like a lot of Adult Swim shows, but the only ones I care about enough to buy are Aqua Teen Hunger Force and Space Ghost: Coast to Coast.
Finally, I've spent years believing that Freddie as F.R.0.7. is the worst animated movie ever made, but I was SO wrong. I'm torn between trying to find a copy so I can watch it with friends while getting drunk (worked for the D&D movie) or trying to block out the memory of the rapping dog...
Finally, I've spent years believing that Freddie as F.R.0.7. is the worst animated movie ever made, but I was SO wrong. I'm torn between trying to find a copy so I can watch it with friends while getting drunk (worked for the D&D movie) or trying to block out the memory of the rapping dog...
Is this it? That has to be it. There can't possibly be TWO animated Titanic movies that feature mice, ducks, squirrels and dalmatians, and rip off at least 5 other films before the opening credits are over. Oh and let's not forget the rapping dog.
I'm sure it's some elaborate, hilarious joke. Queued as high priority.
Is this it? That has to be it. There can't possibly be TWO animated Titanic movies that feature mice, ducks, squirrels and dalmatians, and rip off at least 5 other films before the opening credits are over. Oh and let's not forget the rapping dog.
I'm sure it's some elaborate, hilarious joke. Queued as high priority.
Either it's an elaborate joke, or the writers really did think that the Titanic story was a fairytale and not an actual historical event. Or possibly they set out to make the worst animated movie ever...
If you (ironically) love bad animation, check out this list. A Car's Life made me cry tears of both laughter and agony. I just can't believe people publish these things, but I guess if Phoenix Games can do it, anyone can!
Off the topic of anime, has anyone here seen the Secret of Kells? I first heard about it when it was nominated for an Academy Award, and I heard it was released in theaters but I never saw it playing anywhere near me. I've been dying to see it because it looks extremely cool.
Yep, saw it, and like Giant Tope says, it's very nice to look at, but the story was kinda disappointing.
However, what I loved about it was the amount of LOCAL European talent they used, making use of these studios around the UK is absolutely brilliant, unlike the States, where that sort of thing has gotten pretty unpopular.
Not a huge fan of Bluth's work, but there's no denying there's definitely a good sense of quality in all their work. Knowing many of my profs who worked under him, I have a great respect for the man who helps talents grow. If my "inside" opinions mean anything, but openly I enjoyed Fival as a kid, but didn't quite grasp it at the time. It was a little advanced for me.
If you (ironically) love bad animation, check out this list. A Car's Life made me cry tears of both laughter and agony. I just can't believe people publish these things, but I guess if Phoenix Games can do it, anyone can!
lmao, I remember when Ratatouille came out and they had this ridiculous knock off at Wal-Mart called Rat too-ee! Like, wtf. They still produce horrible films to this day. Wow.
lmao, I remember when Ratatouille came out and they had this ridiculous knock off at Wal-Mart called Rat too-ee! Like, wtf. They still produce horrible films to this day. Wow.
I saw a review of that movie. It made me want to pour acid in my eyeballs and ears to blot out the torture of it.
I vaguely remember seeing some kind of Snow White sequel about her kid when I was 11 or so. There was an evil witch who put everyone bar the kid to sleep, and seven giants who were supposedly cousins of the dwarves. It was terrible. But not as bad as a rapping dog on the Titanic.
You want to hear a bad animated movie? The Adventures of Thumbelina and Tom Thumb (or something along those lines). It was....gah! If you hate yourself, I suggest watching it. But man, I just couldn't sit through it, it killed me! Although I make up for that by watching Road to El Dorado. It makes up for all the crackiness of Thumbelina and Tom Thumb *shiver*
But on a topic of animation I actually LIKE and I mean I enjoy watching it even now, well....it's a huge list of shows but what I consider my childhood it's Hey Arnold, Rugrats, Dexter's Laboratory, Aaah, Real Monsters, Angry Beavers, Samurai Jack....Ok I'll just stop with the list, but the gist of it is early 90's-early 2000 cartoons. I also watched Invader Zim with a passion for a while and from time to time Family Guy and the Simpsons. The Boondocks I watch too if I get the chance. New cartoons kinda concern me: I, for one, do not like Flap Jack. Don't know why, I just don't. However I do like Chowder.
Anime... I'm not that big with anime as I use to (Sailor Moon....guilty.) But I have seen my fair share of anime (from Dragonball to FMA to Mai HiME), however Cowboy Bebop is at the top of my list as my favorite anime, as well as Samurai Champloo. But lately I've been hooked to Durarara and Baccano. Come to think about it, I'm also watching Soul Eater. I erm...have a policy to myself to watch a series in it's entirety before I judge. And sometimes I hate myself for that... Naruto and Inuyasha being the exepction to just stop watching it because it has gotten just too damn long and way to boring. Anyway, I rest my point with Peach Girl. Oh god, nothing but angst since the first episode all the way till the last 5 minute of the final episode. Been meaning to watch Gurren Lagen, but I just don't have interest in Anime/Mecha shows. I've watched Big O but...it was meh. But a cracky anime I've watched was Magical Shopping Arcade Abenobashi.
How about favorite cartoon show developers? Mine is definitely Matt Groening, Genndy Tartakovsky, Craig Mckraken, Trey Parker and Matt Stone. I like John Kricfalusci's art style, but his writing kinda sucks. Also, he's kind of a jerk sometimes.
...am I the only one who can't really sit through An American Tail anymore? I mean, I loved it as a kid, but I tried to watch it recently and I just couldn't. Fievel reeeeally gets on my nerves.
Been meaning to watch Gurren Lagen, but I just don't have interest in Anime/Mecha shows.
Captain Mickey, if you like anime, you really owe yourself to go watch Gurren Lagann. Despite having giant robots, it isn't really a mecha show. And trust me, it is NOTHING like The Big O.
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I'm not against long series on principle, but I believe that when you make up things as you go, the longest the worst. When it's short at least you use everything you planned (as you'd have a basic idea of what's going to happen when you start a story) and wouldn't have as much time to add things that are just there for it to be longer.
I guess my point is that I prefer things that happen for a reason, according to a plan, and not just so the story can be longer, if I'm making sense. When I rewatch an early episode, I want to think "oh, wow, that's what they were setting up!", not "hey, that thing was never mentioned again afterwards!"
See what I mean?
Also I think that while stories can be great and allow you to invest yourself more when they're longer, too many people think that because it's long, things don't matter as much. The way I see it, in a book for instance, every word matters, whether it's a short story or an epic novel. But people who write an epic novel often thing it's not such a big deal if the last 100 words did nothing at all, since it's a small percent, while in a short story it makes a bigger difference so the author will chose the right words more often.
Think about an apartment. If it's very small, you have to make a good use of the space. It might be a bit too small but at least it's efficient. If it's big, you might lose track of that and just fill it with junk. While it doesn't always happen, it might happen often enough that you decide to stop visiting friends with huge places because their places are a horrible mess and you keep getting lost.
Yeah, stuff without a ongoing plot can be nice if that's the point. Like Calvin and Hobbes and Far Side, I wouldn't expect it to be all tied as one consistent storyline.
To be fair, I'm waiting for the resolution of Billy Bat and Bakuman ^^!
One of my favorite Japanese animations is Dead Leaves. It's just so crazy and the style is so awesome I can't help but love it. Despite the slow pacing, Tokyo Godfathers was a fun movie too. I like almost everything from Studio Ghibli, by the way.
The thing about Japanese animation is that here in the States, despite that we have a few adult cartoons, animation is still largely considered as a thing for children, or at least for comedy. We never really see a real reason to create varied genres for it, since we supposedly have exceptional live action. I've only heard this from some foreigners in Japan so I can't really say it's a fact, but supposedly animation over there is considered convenient because of the lack of diverse actors in Japan, thus it's seen as a good way to tell any sort of story.
Of course, I always thought the market for anime was atrocious. Basically there is no supply and demand in Japan and they have a very precise way of conducting business, which explains why anime is so expensive in the States AND over there and also why so much garbage is produced. I guess just kind of search on it. Since the anime market has been plummeting recently, you should be able to find some info about why.
You stopped waaaaayyy to early. Although to your defense i believe thats enough time to capture the reader or viewer, its kinda dissapointing that you at the most climactic moment quitted. Maybe you werent into it, or werent following the story.
Also about my taste in anime, that your opinion and i could care less, but i believe im getting more than my time worth it watching it. I enjoy One Piece themes and storyline very much so. It is the little stories of each arc that really cought me. The mangaka who writes One Piece touches deep topics and shows how bonds develop as well as is able to cover all the central characters. (I dont read the manga) I mainly focus on the story and never even though of how bad an anime was, that is until i got into hiddenleaf.com and haters over there started criticizing it, and with all that i believe they are kinda OCD about it.
Also i believe my taste is good and average as the millions of people who follow one piece and naruto. They are the top manga/anime shows with sales being the top 2 spots, and thats an undeniable fact.
Anime, on the other hand, is constantly guilty of filler. Take Inuyasha. On second thought, don't take Inuyasha, they can keep it.
But due to the fact that they can't predict at all how many pages/chapters they'll have to produce, and don't get to decide it, they can't control the pacing completely, and they end up adding stories because their publisher asked them to put something before the big serious plot storyline they had planned, or the publisher suddenly tells them "okay, you've got to wrap it up, we're canceling the series" and they can't tie loose ends.
I'm a big believer of letting the author decide of stuff like that. And also have consistent authors, I tend to dislike TV shows where every episode had a completely different crew and they don't talk together, so you end up having episodes contradicting each other and stuff.
Anyway, I tend to prefer things that have an end in mind. Not just "in the end, this will happen", but some outline too with what happens in the meantime, so that they know if the story will take them more like 2 years or like 10 to draw. Because I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't write the same first chapter in the two situations.
Chuck Jones was a genius. Love all his WB stuff, even the not so popular stuff too.
I guess I can say I've been watching a lot of Glen Martin DDS considering I'm working on that show right now, as a compositing intern at Cuppa Coffee. It's an odd show that tries to be funny, but I must admit, there are rare instances which I laugh at it's "offbeat humour"
I'm super psyched for TS3 coming out soon, that looks to be really fun, and following Lee Unkrich's twitter account, it looks to be a lot of fun to make too. One day Pixar... one day.
Anyways, since you're all on the topic of anime. I must say I greatly admire Miyazaki, and am saddened the man is retiring from animation. However, looking at his storyboard sketches and designs for his films, he's left pure gold in his legacy. I'm not up on anime series, although I have a basic understanding how some anime tv series are structured. I enjoy the concept of having an underlying finite story to numerous episodes, as that way you can explore more creative avenues that build character/story/pacing rather than the old American "jumping the shark" sort of style. I'm curious to know which TV anime I should "attempt". As they all seem too similar without an inside opinion.
I've taken notice of some French cartoons here in Canada, and I am really impressed with most of them. I can't recall the names of them, but there is one where a mouse is a detective and their style of backgrounds were phenomenal. I'll have to research these shows soon...
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Oh hi. I've watched more animation or cartoons than the average person without a doubt. In fact it is almost sad and borders upon obsession, but, it's just what entertains me more often than whatever else happens to be on at the moment. Not a coocoo crazy anime otaku though, however I enjoy anime from time to time.
I would list shows that I like, but I did this in fact on another msg board once long ago and it just went on for paragraphs so I don't wanna spam up this thread plus I just don't have the energy right now.
So anyways ya maybe I'll go back and read the replies [just read OP] and talk about animation some more back for now my neck and shoulders are killing me from reaching over to the laptob keyboard from my bed.... Maybe I shoud, get my usb keyboard...
Other than that, I don't watch many cartoons on TV right now, other than the occasional Simpsons or Family Guy. But I have an extensive collection of cartoons from the 80's and 90's on DVD. They just don't make cartoons like they used to...
Agreed. The only modern cartoons I like nowadays are Misadventures of Flapjack, Spongebob, Chowder, Family Guy [sigh], American Dad [actually grew on my quite a bit], Futurama, King of the Hill, South Park, and Simpsons... although I KNOW I'm forgetting at least one or two... Hmmm well Space Ghost was good of course though they don't show it anymore [hurray for DVDs] (oops SG is 90's that's right, 'cept for last season which is what I'm watching right now, why I got confused... no one will read this..)
I kinda like the wizard in 'Ugly Americans' too, but just the wizard, that's it.
And well I'm just gonna stop myself now because see I'm starting to make those lists that go on and on forever... Yess... must.. stop.... even . if it means.... leaving stuff out....
Home Movies was good too, John Benjamin rocks.... k I stop now my neck hurts.
Code Monkeys was alright too but then it got stupid.
There was ONE episode of the Spaceballs cartoon that was good, also.
Oh and don't get me started on 80's and 90's I'll just flood the whole thread with one long paragraph...
As for anime my main favs are Ninja Scroll [movie], FLCL, Ghost in the Shell [original movie, series was good too] and DragonBall, I guess DragonBallZ as well.... I have to leave a bunch out cause like I said I'll just go on and on.
Oh and 'Perfect Blue' and of course Akira... k stopping now almost for sure now. Oh yeah Spirited Away. ok done... but I can't leave out Cowboy Bebop! Thanks to the person below me.
see I have trouble stopping when I get going on these things.... Probably a good sign that I'm on the right carrer path, I just need to stick with it and hope I get through school succesfully...
/rambling
FLCL is my favorite though, with Bebop a close second.
I really liked Hikaru no Go, but it just wasn't the same after
When I moved from France I sold all the books and DVDs I had (I mean the Hikaru no Go ones. Not 100% of all of my books and DVDs. I kept maybe 10% of my books and 20% of my DVDs, without their cases). It was a bit sad but hey, there is only so much stuff you can pack in 2 suitcases apiece, right?
I think I mostly got over it.
*sobs*
My favorite anime is FLCL, though, which clocks in at a whopping 6 episodes.
Off the topic of anime, has anyone here seen the Secret of Kells? I first heard about it when it was nominated for an Academy Award, and I heard it was released in theaters but I never saw it playing anywhere near me. I've been dying to see it because it looks extremely cool.
Yup! It was very pretty, can't deny that. Story was kinda all over the place though.
And yeah Ghost in the Shell is great, but a lot of people don't like it either because of the movie's excessive nudity (which isn't even sexual in any way), or because of the series excessive political jargon. But hey, I can follow it with no problem, so I don't get what people moan so much about. Motoko is one of my favorite anime protagonists of all time. She's badass.
On another note, what is the general opinion of Don Bluth's work? I'm not talking his later stuff like Rock - A - Doodle, I'm talking about The Land Before Time, An American Tail, The Small One, and The Secret of NIMH. And maybe Anastasia and Titan A.E. too. I know a lot of people hated Titan A.E., but I didn't. It was enjoyable enough. I haven't seen Anastasia or The Land Before Time yet, but from watching An American Tail and The Secret of NIMH, I like Bluth's original work more than Disney's (I haven't seen much Disney either). An American Tail and AAT: Feivel Goes West are my favorite movies of all time, but I know a lot of people don't like them and call them too depressing. I think they're brilliant.
Similarly I've been told to watch some movies similar to these called Cat City and Cat City 2.
And finally, I recently saw a Disney movie called the Aristocats, which was quite a fun movie that I really liked, and it gave me a new favorite character, who happens to have a really really long name.
A new episode of Tatami Galaxy came out this week that I really, really loved. I find it amazing how much forward momentum they can put into a show that resets its timeline before each end credits sequence.
Speaking of Bluth, I love The Small One, Land Before Time, All Dogs go to Heaven, and American Tail, the rest of his stuff is either "meh", "bad", or in that weird "I know it does a lot of stuff wrong, but I still like it for some reason" territory. I particularly didn't like Fieval Goes West, absolutely hated it, it felt a lot less sincere and frivolous.
Hikaru no Go was fun for awhile, and I stayed with it longer than I did with other manga series. I liked it probably because I love games of strategy and the atmosphere was just so much different than it is in a lot of shonen. I didn't LOVE the series, it didn't affect me strongly or anything, but I still thought it was fun enough. I just lost interest or it lost steam, and I stopped reading.
Actually I do agree with you on this, but the frivolity is part of why I like it. I see it as a comedy adventure movie, and I'm a complete sucker for those kind of movies. Now if you REALLY want to see a bad Bluth sequel, try watching The Secret of NIMH 2. I watched the whole movie through, and I swear, I was cringing so hard I thought my brain would ooze from my eye sockets. I could barely resist the urge to fast forward; it's the worst movie I've ever seen in my life. Ever. It is worse than Plan 9 From Outer Space or Baby Geniuses 2 or Spy Kids 3D. Every single thing about it was bad in every conceivable way. Just thinking about it makes me shudder.
The biggest difference between Plan 9 From Outer Space and the Secret of NIMH 2 is that you can watch Plan 9 and laugh at its terribleness and stupidity, but NIMH 2 makes you want to claw at your face and scream uncontrollably in pure horror.
As far as anime goes, my favourite series is Lupin III, no contest. The best thing about it is that a lot of it consists of standalone movies, you can watch any of them in any order without getting confused about what's going on. Well, except for some of the earlier ones like Secret of Mamo and Gold of Babylon, because those ones are just weird. I like a lot of Ghibli movies as well, my favourite is Princess Mononoke but Spirited Away is a pretty close second.
I don't tend to follow a lot of animated series, mainly because I don't have the patience to sit through more than a few episodes. The only shows I own a lot of on DVD are Futurama, Family Guy, South Park, Batman: The Animated Series and Samurai Jack. I like a lot of Adult Swim shows, but the only ones I care about enough to buy are Aqua Teen Hunger Force and Space Ghost: Coast to Coast.
Finally, I've spent years believing that Freddie as F.R.0.7. is the worst animated movie ever made, but I was SO wrong. I'm torn between trying to find a copy so I can watch it with friends while getting drunk (worked for the D&D movie) or trying to block out the memory of the rapping dog...
Is this it? That has to be it. There can't possibly be TWO animated Titanic movies that feature mice, ducks, squirrels and dalmatians, and rip off at least 5 other films before the opening credits are over. Oh and let's not forget the rapping dog.
I'm sure it's some elaborate, hilarious joke. Queued as high priority.
Actually there is another animated Titanic movie with talking animals, but it's supposedly (slightly) less terrible. Mainly because there's no rapping dog.
Either it's an elaborate joke, or the writers really did think that the Titanic story was a fairytale and not an actual historical event. Or possibly they set out to make the worst animated movie ever...
I wish
I should probably add that I've actually seen this film. It's bad. Really bad.
Yep, saw it, and like Giant Tope says, it's very nice to look at, but the story was kinda disappointing.
However, what I loved about it was the amount of LOCAL European talent they used, making use of these studios around the UK is absolutely brilliant, unlike the States, where that sort of thing has gotten pretty unpopular.
Not a huge fan of Bluth's work, but there's no denying there's definitely a good sense of quality in all their work. Knowing many of my profs who worked under him, I have a great respect for the man who helps talents grow. If my "inside" opinions mean anything, but openly I enjoyed Fival as a kid, but didn't quite grasp it at the time. It was a little advanced for me.
lmao, I remember when Ratatouille came out and they had this ridiculous knock off at Wal-Mart called Rat too-ee! Like, wtf. They still produce horrible films to this day. Wow.
I saw a review of that movie. It made me want to pour acid in my eyeballs and ears to blot out the torture of it.
I didn't enjoy it at all.
But on a topic of animation I actually LIKE and I mean I enjoy watching it even now, well....it's a huge list of shows but what I consider my childhood it's Hey Arnold, Rugrats, Dexter's Laboratory, Aaah, Real Monsters, Angry Beavers, Samurai Jack....Ok I'll just stop with the list, but the gist of it is early 90's-early 2000 cartoons. I also watched Invader Zim with a passion for a while and from time to time Family Guy and the Simpsons. The Boondocks I watch too if I get the chance. New cartoons kinda concern me: I, for one, do not like Flap Jack. Don't know why, I just don't. However I do like Chowder.
Anime... I'm not that big with anime as I use to (Sailor Moon....guilty.) But I have seen my fair share of anime (from Dragonball to FMA to Mai HiME), however Cowboy Bebop is at the top of my list as my favorite anime, as well as Samurai Champloo. But lately I've been hooked to Durarara and Baccano. Come to think about it, I'm also watching Soul Eater. I erm...have a policy to myself to watch a series in it's entirety before I judge. And sometimes I hate myself for that... Naruto and Inuyasha being the exepction to just stop watching it because it has gotten just too damn long and way to boring. Anyway, I rest my point with Peach Girl. Oh god, nothing but angst since the first episode all the way till the last 5 minute of the final episode. Been meaning to watch Gurren Lagen, but I just don't have interest in Anime/Mecha shows. I've watched Big O but...it was meh. But a cracky anime I've watched was Magical Shopping Arcade Abenobashi.
....Ok I'm shutting up.
Also: HUGBEES!
I liked the concept, but the cartoon never catched me.
For whathever reason.
Does quoting it still cou
Captain Mickey, if you like anime, you really owe yourself to go watch Gurren Lagann. Despite having giant robots, it isn't really a mecha show. And trust me, it is NOTHING like The Big O.